Patterico
Greenwald’s implication is clear: right-wing blogger Patterico shouldn’t have recommended Allahpundit’s coverage — and right-wing blogger Glenn Reynolds shouldn’t have linked Patterico’s recommendation of Allahpundit.
If only those right-wing bloggers had warned their readers to be skeptical and avoid jumping to conclusions . . .
But wait! What’s that little ellipsis in Greenwald’s quotation of my post? Why, I do believe that’s an indication that he left something out of my quote! Let’s just look at that whole quote to see what Greenwald chose to omit, shall we?
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You can’t penetrate AP, man
just can’t be done
/that can be misconstrued.
blatantblue on November 7, 2009 at 5:44 PM
Gawd. A bunch of bloggers having a teenager angst-style gossip fight.
Nobody cares. Talk about the news, not about yourselves. And certainly don’t talk about yourselves talking about each other.
You are not that important. As a matter of fact, you are not important at all, except to your mother.
keep the change on November 7, 2009 at 5:46 PM
It’s just a blog, folks. Don’t take yourselves so seriously.
faraway on November 7, 2009 at 5:48 PM
Let’s take Greenwald behind the woodshed and beat the hell out of him!
HondaV65 on November 7, 2009 at 5:51 PM
I disagree, faraway, keep the change.. AP deserves defense for exactly the same reason Rush or Palin does. No one’s character deserves to be smeared when they are laboring to do an honest job. I appreciate AP’s work especially on breaking news items. And when it comes to terrorism, the man calls a spade a spade.
The use of ellipses is the equivalent of when Obama says, “Let me be clear”. What follows is a misconstruction.
Spirit of 1776 on November 7, 2009 at 5:51 PM
I’d want to address smears on Salon too
blatantblue on November 7, 2009 at 5:53 PM
You have to defend AP & Patterico. This is the new media and libel here is just as bad as newspaper libel.
Glenn Greenwald is an out and out liar. Never trust him on anything. If he said the sky is blue, I would still look up.
rbj on November 7, 2009 at 5:53 PM
Keep in mind that there are plenty of Big Media reporters who take Greenwald seriously. So he needs to be kept honest.
I would lay into Greenwald with the same vengeance no matter who I caught him smearing like this; I just happened to find out about this smear because one of my readers brought it to my attention.
Patterico on November 7, 2009 at 5:56 PM
This borders on libelous. What a piece of scum Greenwald is.
John the Libertarian on November 7, 2009 at 5:56 PM
Hey, lets not jump to conclusions even after all the facts are in. Just forget about it.
BL@KBIRD on November 7, 2009 at 5:59 PM
This is like the msm celebrities who believe they themselves are the news. Everybody knows who glenn beck is. Nobody outside the small microworld of the political blogosphere has any idea who the other names are. Hell, one is just a pseudonym. And unlike Glenn Beck, this is not about the right going after obama. For that we defend Beck.
keep the change on November 7, 2009 at 6:01 PM
Don’t like it? Don’t read it. And don’t lecture me on how nobody cares when it’s not you being smeared. Plenty of “serious” journalists take Greenwald seriously. I don’t want my reputation dragged through the mud by him; good for Patterico for trying to get the story straight.
Allahpundit on November 7, 2009 at 6:01 PM
Absolute proof that you don’t know what you’re talking about. Greenwald writes for Salon, which I think sucks but plenty of leftists and media types take seriously as a web zine. As Gleen himself will remind you (endlessly), he’s been quoted by Russ Feingold on the floor of the Senate. Again: I’d like to see how you’d react if you were smeared by a prominent “serious” blogger. Would you really pass up the chance to correct the record? Bull.
Allahpundit on November 7, 2009 at 6:03 PM
So only apply principle after it crosses a threshold of public consciousness? I disagree.
Spirit of 1776 on November 7, 2009 at 6:04 PM
Good lord, really? As if there weren’t enough reasons to ignore Big media already.
Crawford on November 7, 2009 at 6:04 PM
Yeah, Glenn Greewald . . . kinda . . . sucks.
Attila (Pillage Idiot) on November 7, 2009 at 6:05 PM
look
sometimes
b!tches need a whackin
and sometimes
men like Patterico step up to the plate to layeth the smacketh down
blatantblue on November 7, 2009 at 6:05 PM
You have no idea how wrong your assumptions are.
elduende on November 7, 2009 at 6:07 PM
I have to throw my hat in with AP on this one. I don’t begrudge him his anonymouse blogging, but his anonymity makes his reputation all the more important, in my humble opinion.
gryphon202 on November 7, 2009 at 6:08 PM
No, let’s do it in front of the woodshed in plain sight – pour encourager les autres.
Greenwald seems utterly incapable of arguing honestly. He needed to be called out for it. We need a new internet verb on a par with “to Fisk” for Greenwald but the guy is such a dishonest crapweasel on so many levels it would be hard even to know where to start.
Laura on November 7, 2009 at 6:09 PM
You need to take a step back and get out into the real world. Most people have never heard of you nor the others. This is a very small world you live in. As I said, outside of the political blogosphere, these names don’t exist. This is like a bunch of girls fighting on Facebook.
keep the change on November 7, 2009 at 6:11 PM
Well, it’d be nice to be able to drop an e-mail to Greenwald and have him issue a correction, but since his distortions were deliberate, that ain’t going to happen.
So where else will the record be corrected? If your only megaphone is your blog, that’s what you have to use.
I, for one, appreciate this reinforcement of my opinion of Greenwald. Maybe some of the more honest MSM types will start noticing his total weaselly-ness, eventually, and he’ll be relegated to the status he deserves. But only if it’s repeatedly pointed out.
notropis on November 7, 2009 at 6:12 PM
Heh, I love it when people go out of their way to emphatically comment on a topic that they insist nobody cares about.
forest on November 7, 2009 at 6:12 PM
why the aggression
blatantblue on November 7, 2009 at 6:13 PM
HotAir is the biggest con site out there
Rush mentions HotAir
this isn’t something going on, on say..
MY website that 5 friends of mine read.
blatantblue on November 7, 2009 at 6:13 PM
I have no doubt Gleen Greeenwald wants to smear allahpundit and patterico with something and have his way with them both.
Blake on November 7, 2009 at 6:17 PM
Lighten. Up.
Skywise on November 7, 2009 at 6:18 PM
Yep, I think HA is now dangerously close to getting more visits per day than “major professional media figures” like Keith Olbermann get for their prime time TV shows.
forest on November 7, 2009 at 6:20 PM
Greenwald is usually great at holding the establishment media’s feet to the fire. It’s too bad that he occasionally makes mistakes about bloggers.
The Dean on November 7, 2009 at 6:20 PM
And yet you comment here. Why not go elsewhere, with all of the serious big boys?
I think I may start devoting my Greenroom posts to lying about you, and deleting your responses, just to see how you like it.
Karl on November 7, 2009 at 6:20 PM
If you act like “it’s just a blog” and let crap like Greenwald pulled slide, everyone will treat it like “it’s just a blog”. If Gleen wants to take on Instapundit, Patterico, and Allahpundit all at once he’d better damn well get his ducks in a row before he does so.
see-dubya on November 7, 2009 at 6:21 PM
Greenwald is a douche, and an increasingly irrelevant one by the looks of this. How is what he’s doing here materially different from a tabloid gossip columnist?
As for those saying this political blog world is so small that it doesn’t matter, that’s crap and I think you know it. HA is one of the widest-read conservative blogs and even if the average voter is unaware of this blog, a lot of pundits and policy makers read it.
flipflop on November 7, 2009 at 6:24 PM
HotAir.com has more than double the circulation of my local newspaper, The Times-Picayune. (The only newspaper in New Orleans.) Now, considering how many reporters work for the Times-Pic (not less than 30 by a quick scan of the bylines), you try to figure out Allahpundit’s relative nameworthiness. Yes, his online reputation is well worth defending.
Laura on November 7, 2009 at 6:24 PM
Relatively, I suppose, but it still consists of thousands of readers.
joewm315 on November 7, 2009 at 6:24 PM
Impressive that 5 people exist with that level of tolerance of pain.
Spirit of 1776 on November 7, 2009 at 6:25 PM
took a long time to find them
now im never letting go of them
blatantblue on November 7, 2009 at 6:27 PM
When people ask me what I sites I visit on the internet, it’s hard to explain because nobody I’e talked to has heard of Hotair. Or The Daily Kos. Or Andrew Sullivan. Or Markos Malitos, or however you spell it. Or any of the rest. These names don’t mean anything to 300 million Americans. We think they do because we come here. Hell, most Americans don’t even know who Harry Reid is. They think he plays for the Pirates, but they are not sure. Ever watch Leno’s Jay walking? That’s an eyeopener.
That’s the real world. So my point is that for bloggers to blog about other bloggers’ criticism of their blogging is self-indulgent. Which is all this is. One blogger dissing the blogging of another blogger. It’s not like someone is calling someone else a child molester, murderer, peeping tom. If so, take it to court. Otherwise, get on with the news.
keep the change on November 7, 2009 at 6:28 PM
Found a contractor to make you a sound-proof basement did you? Your loyalty is…impressive.
Spirit of 1776 on November 7, 2009 at 6:30 PM
idk
its mentioned on radio shows with 20 million listeners
tv shows
etc
im not saying its the be all end all of everything
but its a rather influential and widespread website
and id want to counter any smears on my character. i mean, like i said, if i did it on my page, who the f*** cares?
but its salon, a rather well known website.
blatantblue on November 7, 2009 at 6:31 PM
So, if I blog the whole next week blogging here about what you do with farm animals, you won’t care right? Even if it’s not true? I have your permission, right?
Karl on November 7, 2009 at 6:31 PM
I’m not surprised. Kind of funny, a leftie nitwit that comments on my little old blog referenced Greenwald some time ago for his argument and got all pissy when I dismissed sockpuppet Greenwald.
aikidoka on November 7, 2009 at 6:34 PM
Go right ahead. Nobody cares. That’s one of my two points. The other point was that this is criticism, not some smear about beastility.
keep the change on November 7, 2009 at 6:34 PM
Oh, and the issue he was using Greenwald for was defending ACORN. lol
aikidoka on November 7, 2009 at 6:35 PM
Please keep your sexualy fantasies to yourself.
aikidoka on November 7, 2009 at 6:35 PM
A blast from the past…
HotAir.com Had Almost 1/3 the Traffic of the L.A. Times’s Entire Web Site in October
If Greenwald wanted to disagree with AP on the merits – and God knows, AP takes plenty of heat from his own commenters, when their complaints are fair and when they’re not, and he does so graciously – that’d be fine. But this is sneaky, dishonest and indefensible. In other words, typical Greenwald.
Laura on November 7, 2009 at 6:36 PM
idk why but i started laughing out loud when i read this
so true
AP is like Smalls from Sandlot
blatantblue on November 7, 2009 at 6:37 PM
This is news? I thought Allahpundit liked being smeared! I only joined in because everyone else seemed to be doing it.
Sharke on November 7, 2009 at 6:39 PM
No, GG blatantly distorted what Allahpundit wrote, which is not “criticism.” It’s falsely impugning their integrity and reputations, which GG feels safe to do from Brazil.
BTW, don’t be surprised to find “Why does HotAir let a serial pedophile comment here?” in the sidebar tomorrow.
Karl on November 7, 2009 at 6:39 PM
That sorry mother…can just…in his…with…and the…and a …whiffleball bat!
Don’t worry Allah, we know you’re a real…
29Victor on November 7, 2009 at 6:43 PM
If find this…
… outrageous!
Seven Percent Solution on November 7, 2009 at 6:44 PM
Weak argument. A lie is a lie, even if there’s one other person in the room, you defend your reputation.
John the Libertarian on November 7, 2009 at 6:46 PM
[M]y point is that for bloggers to blog about other bloggers’ criticism of their blogging is self-indulgent. Which is all this is. One blogger dissing the blogging of another blogger.
As opposed to what you’re doing, which is one commenter dissing the blogging of a blogger dissing the blogging of another blogger. That is anything but trivial or self-indulgent — because it’s you doing it.
Patterico on November 7, 2009 at 6:48 PM
So really, it gets even more petty. Not only is the headline about the blogger who other bloggers don’t like, but now headlines are about commentators that bloggers don’t like? LOL. If this circle gets any smaller, our parents will get involved. Whatever you do, don’t go after my cat, Rascal. Say anything about him and I will call up your mother and we will have a sit down about your behavior.
This is the petty gossip dynamic of Myspace.
keep the change on November 7, 2009 at 6:52 PM
How does Mr. Greenwald believe that this adds to his credibility? No one likes to be lied about and both of these gentlemen have positions that require them to be considered honest brokers of the facts. I hope Mr. Greenwald will admit his mistake.
Cindy Munford on November 7, 2009 at 6:54 PM
keep the change seems to be overlooking the entire smear.
SouthernGent on November 7, 2009 at 6:54 PM
And little green racists will link it approvingly and wonder the same thing.
Laura on November 7, 2009 at 6:55 PM
Check his IP Allah– It’s probably another Glenn Greenwaldo sockpuppet!
CultureWar on November 7, 2009 at 6:56 PM
The difference is, I am not a blogger. I don’t run a political blog and post the headlines. If I did, I’d have more substantive things to blog about other than what others are blogging about me. This is what I mean about living in a small microworld. Eventually, the bloggers themselves think they are the news.
Not only that, but they care what an anonymous commentator thinks of the situation. That really takes the cake.
keep the change on November 7, 2009 at 6:56 PM
“It takes many good deeds to build a good reputation, and only one bad one to lose it”
……Benjamin Franklin.
BTW AP you did a great job on Thursday with your updates. It kept all of us at the ralley in DC totally informed as we made our way home and thru the airports.
Knucklehead on November 7, 2009 at 7:00 PM
keep the change,
What is more petty? A troll who thinks people should not bother to defend their reputations from a smear published at a site that gets millions of unique vistors monthly.
What is more petty? A troll who demands that HotAir “talk about the news,” as though there aren’t 37 headline pieces on the front page at this moment.
Again, if this place is too small and insignificant for you to worry about, why do you even visit, let alone comment? Other than the fact that you personify petty?
Karl on November 7, 2009 at 7:01 PM
Nobody outside the small microworld of the political blogosphere has any idea who . . . Glenn Beck . . . is . . .
– keep the change
Jeez, keep the change, there goes your credibility. I think plenty of people know who Glenn Beck is. Anyone who claims he is a minor figure, as you claim above, is not worth listening to.
Patterico on November 7, 2009 at 7:02 PM
. . . I don’t . . . have more substantive things to blog about other than what others are blogging about me.
– keep the change
There goes your whole argument. The hypocrisy is stunning. First you reprimand us for blogging about ourselves — and then you claim that the most important thing to talk about is . . . YOU.
So you think Glenn Beck is a nobody, and you think YOU are the most important thing to talk about.
And you expect us to listen to you?
Patterico on November 7, 2009 at 7:04 PM
Somebody just farted.
John the Libertarian on November 7, 2009 at 7:05 PM
As though there aren’t dozens of headlines on the front page. But rather than blog yourself, you come here to whine, free-riding on the effort Allahpundit puts into the site.
Karl on November 7, 2009 at 7:07 PM
How often do you read this site? I blog about robots sometimes. The newest headline right now is about girls knocking each over at a soccer match. Honestly, you’re the one who needs to lighten up.
Are you leaving these tsk-tsk comments in every thread involving less-than-important news items? If not, why single out this one?
Allahpundit on November 7, 2009 at 7:07 PM
Well done! The power of ellipses…
John the Libertarian on November 7, 2009 at 7:08 PM
BTW, I hate it when Rush Limabugh talks about golf.
STICK TO THE ISSUES!!!1eleventy1!!!
Karl on November 7, 2009 at 7:09 PM
Honestly, you’re the one who needs to lighten up.
You’re talking to someone who, by his own words (quoted by me above) has claimed that Glenn Beck is a nobody, while he himself is important.
I think “keep the change” has demonstrated that his priorities, and his sense of his own worth, are WAAAAY out of balance.
Patterico on November 7, 2009 at 7:09 PM
Yeah, Allahpundit’s so irrelevant, he gets quoted by the NYT.
flipflop on November 7, 2009 at 7:12 PM
Ew.
Karl on November 7, 2009 at 7:14 PM
The audience for Glenn Beck: nearly 3 million.
The audience for “keep the change”: zilch.
Yet “keep the change” says nobody has any idea who Glenn Beck is, and that the most substantive thing he can think of to blog about is what others are blogging about him.
Hoo-kay then.
Patterico on November 7, 2009 at 7:15 PM
BTW, speaking of Limbaugh, after getting blocked on an NFL deal, think Rush regrets not having gone after Internet liars years ago?
Karl on November 7, 2009 at 7:21 PM
…I am…a… mean… small… anonymous commentator…
keep the change on November 7, 2009 at 6:56 PM
power of ellipses!
John the Libertarian on November 7, 2009 at 7:21 PM
Be careful, John. “keep the change” thinks he’s more important and widely known than Glenn Beck. You cross an ego like that at your peril.
Patterico on November 7, 2009 at 7:24 PM
“And Cain slew his brother, Abel….Go and do thou likewise.”
God, as quoted in Glenn Greenwald’s elided Bible.
notropis on November 7, 2009 at 7:26 PM
LOL! I think he took his toys to another sandbox.
John the Libertarian on November 7, 2009 at 7:28 PM
He did get mighty quiet, didn’t he? Guess he didn’t appreciate my pouncing on his declarations that he is more important than Glenn Beck.
Patterico on November 7, 2009 at 7:30 PM
Sounds like more of that “fake, but accurate” that the libs like so much. Patterico and AP should count their blessings. At least GG didn’t totally make up obnoxious, racist comments; he just took everything completely out of context.
I’m waiting for Patterico and/or AP to take one of GG’s posts and play merry he11 with it! They may win a Nobel Peace Prize!
rmgraha on November 7, 2009 at 8:08 PM
This is outrageous.
GW_SS-Delta on November 7, 2009 at 8:18 PM
This was not just some petty dispute over disagreements between bloggers. This was a deliberate smear. I don’t always agree with AP, but he did a great job keeping everyone up to date on the story, while giving his assessment of how credible each news item was.
Greenwald apparently stripped out every caution from AP just to accuse him of spreading false information.
It’s a slimy thing to do to anyone.
didymus on November 7, 2009 at 8:33 PM
Rich, gooey irony, from Socketysockpuppet’s home page:
Mind you, he’s talking about National Review’s Michael Ledeen and about George Stephanopoulos there.
Cognitive dissonance would be a step up.
Laura on November 7, 2009 at 8:39 PM
While I completely agree that reputations must be defended, etc. and 100% think that this headline is a legit one, I think going after keep the change like this is a bit much. Especially the “serial pedophile” bit. I think his point about a commenter taking issue with what bloggers post being different from bloggers defending each other from the lies of other bloggers is a valid one.
OneGyT on November 7, 2009 at 8:46 PM
glen greenwald…the whole reason the term/sock puppet/was coined,because he mastered that,with his hundereds on every site.Only on the left,would this guy be considered anything but sea money droppings.
theTarCzar on November 7, 2009 at 9:13 PM
I don’t agree with AP a lot but any man who wouldn’t defend himself has no cojones so kudos to AP on this one.
beachgirlusa on November 7, 2009 at 9:27 PM
As Limbaugh would say, I was demonstrating absurdity by being absurd.
Karl on November 7, 2009 at 9:36 PM
I don’t understand people beyotching about AP wanting his credibility maintained. As was mentioned, some of the big boys with big audiences mention AP and Ed. Some of the big boys on the other side pay attention to Senor Sockpuppet. Furthermore, it’s not just AP’s reputation on the line, though that is the main issue here. When talking to people who might be interested in informing themselves, I recommend a very small handful of sites for them to check out. HA is one of them. If people think HA is untrustworthy, they’ll think the same of my recommendations. Then there’s the little matter of standing up for what’s right, no matter if we like the person involved, dislike, or have no opinion at all.
bikermailman on November 7, 2009 at 10:23 PM
Same here.
Good point.
beachgirlusa on November 7, 2009 at 10:33 PM
All true. And yet…what is it they say about the hair-pulling fights in academia? The fights are so vicious because the stakes are so low?
I dare you to find a busy street and ask the first 100 people you see if they know who Glenn Greenwald is. I dare you.
Nobody wants to be slandered, and I’d kick Greenwald’s ass just because he so badly seems to need an ass-kicking. But if you’re seriously only worried about the people who actually know who this buttsniffer is, then it’s a split between the people already hate him and the people who will hate him as soon as he lies about them.
Meh.
Jaibones on November 7, 2009 at 11:18 PM
Patterico is being too nice here. GG deserves no brownie points for speaking up against Obama. Except for Hannity, Republican pundits do this all the time with no fanfare.
Glenn Greenwald lied. He deliberately omitted words changing the context of the quotes he was using to bolster a rather petty point. I recommend a public form of humiliation similar to the stockades.
Could you be more obviously jealous? Each of the three bloggers in question likely rivals the readership of whatever fish-wrap is lining your cage.
Taking you at your word, what kind of guy injects himself to a self-described girl-fight?
Commit lamicide.
The Race Card on November 8, 2009 at 12:00 AM
He should be forced to read his own blog.
The Race Card on November 8, 2009 at 12:02 AM
Yo Greenwad,
From Geo’s News Wire we some updates you can monitor for accuracy.
12:51 AM Pacific Time
UPDATE: Greebwad is a species of Seaslug…confirmation pending.
UPDATE: Glenn Greendolt is NOT a Seaslug, I repeat NOT a Seaslug. But we have just leaned from our sources that he has no dick…unconfirmed…checking sources…
UPDATE: Correction…sources tell us that Glenn G. still has no dick and he wears ladies panties…checking Interpol for contra-indications, so far none.
UPDATE: G. Greenwart does in fact have a dick but it is prepubescent…confirmed…checking sources.
Geochelone on November 8, 2009 at 3:58 AM
Thanks, Patterico. Glenn Greenwald is not as talented, ethical, or honest as either you or Allahpundit. it’s just that simple.
Loxodonta on November 8, 2009 at 7:55 AM
I agree with Patterico, always follow AP. The best blogger around at following breaking news.
Don’t let that go to your head AP, I’ll undoubtedly be slamming you over a Palin thread later today.
conservnut on November 8, 2009 at 8:54 AM
I hope nobody ever spreads lies about you on the Internet. Because you’ll have no cause to complain, not being a household name.
Jim Treacher on November 8, 2009 at 12:39 PM