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Thank you. I doubt that media will listen. It’s the only narrative they want they aren’t interested in the truth
kathleen on November 7, 2009 at 1:31 PM
Good on ya brother. Thanks for speaking up.
ted c on November 7, 2009 at 1:33 PM
Thank you for your service. Thank you for your voice. God bless you.
zeebeach on November 7, 2009 at 1:40 PM
I sense that Mr. Salzburg isn’t buying the particular crap the media is selling right now. Maybe they should consider talking to him or those who work at Walter Reed before becoming the definitive answer on a subject they know zero about.
Cindy Munford on November 7, 2009 at 1:47 PM
The media is part of the enemy.
the_nile on November 7, 2009 at 1:50 PM
Thank you, brother, for your service and your words. You’re not the only one angry about what went down, and how it’s been reported and spun.
The MSM will have a very hard reckoning one of these days. Hopefully that will be sooner, rather than later.
AW1 Tim on November 7, 2009 at 1:52 PM
From Slazman’s blog:
To fallaciously say this guy has PTSD from his time at Walter Reed as an excuse for opening fire on a group of innocent Soldiers is beyond reckless. It’s an absolute slap in the face for every caregiver and every wounded warrior who ever set foot on Walter Reed Army Medical Center.
Agreed. And worse, the notion that a PTSD therapist could commit mass murder because he simply heard trauma victims relate their stories may actually give those who suffer PTSD questions, doubts or guilt about seeking the help they need and deserve.
This makes me so angry, I have difficulty speaking about it.
Loxodonta on November 7, 2009 at 1:56 PM
The Guardian (UK) found an “expert” who disagrees.
If it’s not PTSD, the only other explanation is that George W Bush kept us safe for 8 years after 9-11, and this is the worst domestic terror attack on American soil since 9-11. Don’t forget this comes on the heels of the 0bama Administration cutting funding for tracking “lone wolves.”
My wife reflexively believes whatever she hears on NPR sometimes and, in response to a little rant from me this morning about Major Jihad, she started spouting the second hand PTSD line.
“So how come the only psychiatrist in the entire army who seems to have snapped like this also happens to be a Muslim? Is that a coincidence? Where are all of the other shrinks from other religions who have had these problems and shot other soldiers because of it?”
“Uhhhh…. I hadn’t thought about it that way.”
If only I could be married to the entire MSM, too. LOL
If only I could be married to the entire MSM, too. LOL
johnmackeygreene on November 7, 2009 at 2:16 PM
Talk about taking one for the team! You’re a brave man.
notropis on November 7, 2009 at 2:28 PM
Not only is the media’s analysis an inexcusably insulting and weak attempt to whitewash the true nature of the enemy, it makes absolutely no sense.
How many other military shrinks and counselors have ever done something like this? My guess is none.
How many civilian shrinks, counselors and social workers have routinely heard of and witnessed episodes of extreme violence and abuse right here in this country? How many of them haved commtted mass murder?
The bottom line is that the media and the left are still completely invested in the riiculous idea that this is not a war. The only problem is that the enemy doesn’t agree.
If anything, the Islamo-Savages have even less respect for the leftists pansies who refuse to pull their heads out of their arses.
RadClown on November 7, 2009 at 2:33 PM
If only I could be married to the entire MSM, too. LOL
johnmackeygreene on November 7, 2009 at 2:16 PM
Talk about taking one for the team! You’re a brave man.
notropis on November 7, 2009 at 2:28 PM
Nah. He was just bragging. You know how men do. One look at Helen Thomas and the thought of marrying her, and that LOL of his would whither.
Loxodonta on November 7, 2009 at 2:39 PM
Well of course a lefty rag would disagree. Spit.
Also, suffering from a psychiatric illness does not make you a stone cold killer. That’s b.s.
PTSD is the diagnosis du jour. But, to meet the diagnostic criteria for PTSD, one has to have symptoms from three different symptom clusters and the symptoms must be serious enough to significantly interfere with the affected person’s ability to function socially and occupationally. In reality, few are so incapacitated. You see more PTSD today because in earlier times, people returned from wars and had to get jobs and provide for their families. They didn’t have the luxury of disability pay.
Yet, people continue to call everything PTSD. In fact, I fashioned a rather decent defense for my neighbor’s poodle, who was *seriously* in the dog house, based on diminished capacity due to PTSD.
Blake on November 7, 2009 at 2:39 PM
I didn’t need to read the disclaimer on the communicability of PTSD. It is shocking that this has to be explained to anyone. A big WTF? should be the only response.
George W Bush kept us safe for 8 years after 9-11,
Really? There were all kinds of Muslims doing solo jihad on his watch. It is time to stop being partisan about Bush, he was a broken reed from day one. Obama did not create the atmosphere of Nov ‘08. The broken reed did. Time to face that.
BL@KBIRD on November 7, 2009 at 2:57 PM
The actual ones suffering from their own peculiar PTSD are the media.
Immediately after any traumatic incident occurs that that stresses their world view, they come up with the same reality-denying dementia:
“Anything but Islam! Anything but Islam!”
notropis on November 7, 2009 at 3:11 PM
Nice to see a link to our lumberjack friend.
Blake on November 7, 2009 at 3:31 PM
johnmackeygreene should consider divorce. No one marries NPR and stays married. As for the “snap” issue, how does one “snap” while one premeditates? He allegedly gave his landlord two weeks notice. I will never understand murderers but I’m pretty sure that’s not snapping.
Issue at hand, I’ve always appreciated the words of JR and his wife. I started reading their blogs in prep for a deployment. I’m glad JR weighed in on this secondhand PTSD baloney. It is like a fresh slap every day it continues. Proof once again that the media, and many U.S. citizens, have zero respect for mil folks.
tuffy on November 7, 2009 at 3:46 PM
PTSD appears to be poorly understood. I appreciate this treatment of it.
Here’s a series of articles about PTSD from a left-leaning writer. (MSM-acceptable, in other words). Her experiences were non-combat.
They’re interesting, and deal specifically with media portrayals of PTSD. One point made clearly — the conceit that PTSD always involves someone snapping and going bonkers with a weapon is nonsense.
The stresses that psych personnel undergo are real, and he could very well have been traumatized. If, however, he snapped and started reliving that trauma, he would not be reliving combat.
In any case, combat would usually imply finding a defensible position and shooting from cover, not walking around with a pair of handguns and systematically executing unarmed colleagues.
Maybe I’m completely off base — but I can’t find a way to make the PTSD narrative fit. Maybe I’m just dumb. Maybe I don’t know enough about the individual in question.
Neither do the national media figures that are pushing this one, though. They’re jumping to unfounded conclusions just as much as those who are calling it jihad.
Come to think of it, at least there’s a reasonable chance it was jihad. PTSD is much more farfetched than the jihad assumption, just on the known facts. It’s like having the car stop with the gas gauge on empty, and assuming that it quit because it threw a rod.
Prufrock on November 7, 2009 at 4:16 PM
The media is part of the enemy.
the_nile on November 7, 2009 at 1:50 PM
I’ve been saying this for over a year and a half.
Remember… McCain is backed by Soros. We were given two media-appointed Soros candidates to pick from, to go with our Soros Congress.
LibTired on November 7, 2009 at 4:18 PM
I seem to remember the media calling the murder of abortionist George Tiller an act of terrorism. I also recall townhall protesters and tea party protesters likened to terrorists.
But this? No, this is PTSD.
“This type of speech ought to be against the law and anyone who issues it ought to be prosecuted as an accessory to murder, as well as for partaking in domestic terrorism. What, after all, is the difference between Terry’s statement and releases issued by the Taliban calling on Muslims to kill westerners? None!…NOW has asked all abortion rights supporters to wear white armbands on Monday as a show of support for a day of mourning in Dr. Tiller’s honor.
It is also asking the Justice Department and the Department of Homeland Security to prosecute Dr. Tiller’s murderer as a domestic terrorist. That’s all well and fine, but much, much more needs to be done, including banning inflammatory rhetoric that incites the unbalanced to violence, and holding the inciters responsible for the murders they cause.- Bonnie Erbe, U.S. News
“What I don’t want to do is create an opportunity for the people who are political terrorists to blow up the meeting and not try to answer thoughtful questions.” – Rep. Baron Hill on Townhall protesters
RadClown on November 7, 2009 at 4:43 PM
The definition I gave earlier in this thread is from a friend who is an army psychologist. There is PTSD and then there is PTSD defense to murder. They are not the same and the later one is probably contrived.
Blake on November 7, 2009 at 4:45 PM
No, you can’t “catch” PTSD from combat soldiers
But you can get a serious case of cooties. And everyone knows that just drives Muslims over the wall.
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Thank you. I doubt that media will listen. It’s the only narrative they want they aren’t interested in the truth
kathleen on November 7, 2009 at 1:31 PM
Good on ya brother. Thanks for speaking up.
ted c on November 7, 2009 at 1:33 PM
Thank you for your service. Thank you for your voice. God bless you.
zeebeach on November 7, 2009 at 1:40 PM
I sense that Mr. Salzburg isn’t buying the particular crap the media is selling right now. Maybe they should consider talking to him or those who work at Walter Reed before becoming the definitive answer on a subject they know zero about.
Cindy Munford on November 7, 2009 at 1:47 PM
The media is part of the enemy.
the_nile on November 7, 2009 at 1:50 PM
Thank you, brother, for your service and your words. You’re not the only one angry about what went down, and how it’s been reported and spun.
The MSM will have a very hard reckoning one of these days. Hopefully that will be sooner, rather than later.
AW1 Tim on November 7, 2009 at 1:52 PM
From Slazman’s blog:
Agreed. And worse, the notion that a PTSD therapist could commit mass murder because he simply heard trauma victims relate their stories may actually give those who suffer PTSD questions, doubts or guilt about seeking the help they need and deserve.
This makes me so angry, I have difficulty speaking about it.
Loxodonta on November 7, 2009 at 1:56 PM
The Guardian (UK) found an “expert” who disagrees.
notropis on November 7, 2009 at 1:58 PM
Tweeting. Brilliant.
fusionaddict on November 7, 2009 at 2:01 PM
If it’s not PTSD, the only other explanation is that George W Bush kept us safe for 8 years after 9-11, and this is the worst domestic terror attack on American soil since 9-11. Don’t forget this comes on the heels of the 0bama Administration cutting funding for tracking “lone wolves.”
Sekhmet on November 7, 2009 at 2:04 PM
Second-hand PTSD. Yeah, that’s the ticket.
Strick on November 7, 2009 at 2:07 PM
My wife reflexively believes whatever she hears on NPR sometimes and, in response to a little rant from me this morning about Major Jihad, she started spouting the second hand PTSD line.
“So how come the only psychiatrist in the entire army who seems to have snapped like this also happens to be a Muslim? Is that a coincidence? Where are all of the other shrinks from other religions who have had these problems and shot other soldiers because of it?”
“Uhhhh…. I hadn’t thought about it that way.”
If only I could be married to the entire MSM, too. LOL
johnmackeygreene on November 7, 2009 at 2:16 PM
Talk about taking one for the team! You’re a brave man.
notropis on November 7, 2009 at 2:28 PM
Not only is the media’s analysis an inexcusably insulting and weak attempt to whitewash the true nature of the enemy, it makes absolutely no sense.
How many other military shrinks and counselors have ever done something like this? My guess is none.
How many civilian shrinks, counselors and social workers have routinely heard of and witnessed episodes of extreme violence and abuse right here in this country? How many of them haved commtted mass murder?
The bottom line is that the media and the left are still completely invested in the riiculous idea that this is not a war. The only problem is that the enemy doesn’t agree.
If anything, the Islamo-Savages have even less respect for the leftists pansies who refuse to pull their heads out of their arses.
RadClown on November 7, 2009 at 2:33 PM
Nah. He was just bragging. You know how men do. One look at Helen Thomas and the thought of marrying her, and that LOL of his would whither.
Loxodonta on November 7, 2009 at 2:39 PM
Well of course a lefty rag would disagree. Spit.
Also, suffering from a psychiatric illness does not make you a stone cold killer. That’s b.s.
PTSD is the diagnosis du jour. But, to meet the diagnostic criteria for PTSD, one has to have symptoms from three different symptom clusters and the symptoms must be serious enough to significantly interfere with the affected person’s ability to function socially and occupationally. In reality, few are so incapacitated. You see more PTSD today because in earlier times, people returned from wars and had to get jobs and provide for their families. They didn’t have the luxury of disability pay.
Yet, people continue to call everything PTSD. In fact, I fashioned a rather decent defense for my neighbor’s poodle, who was *seriously* in the dog house, based on diminished capacity due to PTSD.
Blake on November 7, 2009 at 2:39 PM
I didn’t need to read the disclaimer on the communicability of PTSD. It is shocking that this has to be explained to anyone. A big WTF? should be the only response.
Really? There were all kinds of Muslims doing solo jihad on his watch. It is time to stop being partisan about Bush, he was a broken reed from day one. Obama did not create the atmosphere of Nov ‘08. The broken reed did. Time to face that.
BL@KBIRD on November 7, 2009 at 2:57 PM
The actual ones suffering from their own peculiar PTSD are the media.
Immediately after any traumatic incident occurs that that stresses their world view, they come up with the same reality-denying dementia:
“Anything but Islam! Anything but Islam!”
notropis on November 7, 2009 at 3:11 PM
Nice to see a link to our lumberjack friend.
Blake on November 7, 2009 at 3:31 PM
johnmackeygreene should consider divorce. No one marries NPR and stays married. As for the “snap” issue, how does one “snap” while one premeditates? He allegedly gave his landlord two weeks notice. I will never understand murderers but I’m pretty sure that’s not snapping.
Issue at hand, I’ve always appreciated the words of JR and his wife. I started reading their blogs in prep for a deployment. I’m glad JR weighed in on this secondhand PTSD baloney. It is like a fresh slap every day it continues. Proof once again that the media, and many U.S. citizens, have zero respect for mil folks.
tuffy on November 7, 2009 at 3:46 PM
PTSD appears to be poorly understood. I appreciate this treatment of it.
Here’s a series of articles about PTSD from a left-leaning writer. (MSM-acceptable, in other words). Her experiences were non-combat.
http://www.tor.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=blog&id=52999
http://www.tor.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=blog&id=53400
http://www.tor.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=blog&id=57946
They’re interesting, and deal specifically with media portrayals of PTSD. One point made clearly — the conceit that PTSD always involves someone snapping and going bonkers with a weapon is nonsense.
The stresses that psych personnel undergo are real, and he could very well have been traumatized. If, however, he snapped and started reliving that trauma, he would not be reliving combat.
In any case, combat would usually imply finding a defensible position and shooting from cover, not walking around with a pair of handguns and systematically executing unarmed colleagues.
Maybe I’m completely off base — but I can’t find a way to make the PTSD narrative fit. Maybe I’m just dumb. Maybe I don’t know enough about the individual in question.
Neither do the national media figures that are pushing this one, though. They’re jumping to unfounded conclusions just as much as those who are calling it jihad.
Come to think of it, at least there’s a reasonable chance it was jihad. PTSD is much more farfetched than the jihad assumption, just on the known facts. It’s like having the car stop with the gas gauge on empty, and assuming that it quit because it threw a rod.
Prufrock on November 7, 2009 at 4:16 PM
I’ve been saying this for over a year and a half.
Remember… McCain is backed by Soros. We were given two media-appointed Soros candidates to pick from, to go with our Soros Congress.
LibTired on November 7, 2009 at 4:18 PM
I seem to remember the media calling the murder of abortionist George Tiller an act of terrorism. I also recall townhall protesters and tea party protesters likened to terrorists.
But this? No, this is PTSD.
RadClown on November 7, 2009 at 4:43 PM
The definition I gave earlier in this thread is from a friend who is an army psychologist. There is PTSD and then there is PTSD defense to murder. They are not the same and the later one is probably contrived.
Blake on November 7, 2009 at 4:45 PM
But you can get a serious case of cooties. And everyone knows that just drives Muslims over the wall.
BobMbx on November 7, 2009 at 4:57 PM