Just 21% of voters nationwide say Palin should run as an independent if she loses the Republican presidential nomination in 2012. Sixty-three percent (63%) say the 2008 GOP vice presidential nominee should not run as an independent. Sixteen percent (16%) are not sure.
If Romney secured the GOP nomination and Palin chose to run as an independent candidate, Obama would win the resulting three-way race with 44% of the vote. Romney is the choice of 33% of the voters under that scenario, with Palin a distant third with 16% support. Three percent (3%) like some other candidate, and four percent (4%) are undecided…
Men prefer the Republican over Obama whether it’s Romney or Obama, while women like the president better in both match-ups. Palin continues to fare more poorly among women than her male rivals.
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blatantblue on July 20, 2009 at 10:58 AM
Palin = Perot w/o the fancy charts and graphs
gatorboy on July 20, 2009 at 10:58 AM
Lookin’ good so far.
Abby Adams on July 20, 2009 at 10:59 AM
I have a feeling the GOP candidate could very well be a yellow dog; 2012 is a long way off and Ogabe is about to hit the wall.
Bishop on July 20, 2009 at 10:59 AM
Romney’s a capitalist and the perfect antidote to this joke in the White House.
JammieWearingFool on July 20, 2009 at 11:00 AM
yep!
I think Romney would be a great choice
So would Palin
It’s really the difference between Hebrew National and Nathan’s.
Both are very tasty
blatantblue on July 20, 2009 at 11:01 AM
OT: a mostly positive AP piece on Palin
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5illexPZsCzzxjlIGyNHi67btTcjwD99HNID00
Phoenician on July 20, 2009 at 11:01 AM
Mitt could have won in Nov. when the economy started tanking. Dunno if he’ll be a contender in 2012 but ANYTHING will be better than our current president.
oddjob1138 on July 20, 2009 at 11:02 AM
The Romney numbers are probably a lot of anti-Oneterma votes. I doubt his name-recognition is high enough to match Obama 45-45 on his own.
ChrisB on July 20, 2009 at 11:02 AM
Quick thoughts:
For someone lampooned by the media and has made virtually no speaking or interview appearances in months, Palin is this close is remarkable.
I still don’t think Romney’s numbers are as good as advertised. Even if they are, he’s reached his ceiling and Palin has no where to go but up.
Whether you are a Palin supporter or not, the fact that Zero is under 50% is huge.
Palin still has work to do w/ Indies and women. Once she starts on the circuit and her book comes out, these numbers should improve.
I wish people would get off this Independent garbage. It guarantees a re-election of Zero.
davek70 on July 20, 2009 at 11:02 AM
A JOOOOOOOOOO?!?!?!?!
Abby Adams on July 20, 2009 at 11:02 AM
Women don’t like Palin…I wonder why.
SouthernGent on July 20, 2009 at 11:03 AM
I think its finally apparent, palin has No Political Future.
Paging David Shuster…. please call the office.
Amadeus on July 20, 2009 at 11:03 AM
What about a Palin/Romney ticket?
Princeps on July 20, 2009 at 11:04 AM
This includes the 10% or so (my guess) that simply would never think anything negative about a President in their first year in office.
They will flip on January 2nd, barring nuclear war.
Jaibones on July 20, 2009 at 11:05 AM
I noticed they left out one important name…
Huckabee. He will be the candidate in 2012 and will win the election.
Wolftech on July 20, 2009 at 11:06 AM
that’s backwards
gatorboy on July 20, 2009 at 11:06 AM
Low water mark for Palin, I would think… an all out assault has been levied against her for nearly 11 months. She has been attacked from both parties, and the media has done its best to tabloidize her… And she has barely even tried to fight back. And she’s only down 6 to teh won?
Will be interesting to see this same poll run after giving her 6 months to ‘rehabilitate’ her image. Do interviews (especially local interviews), talk policy, attack Obama’s policy. Let’s see how it looks in early 2010.
BPD on July 20, 2009 at 11:07 AM
2012 is too far off, but if Sarah Palin is the woman I believe she is, she won’t split the the GOP by running as a 3rd party candidate. I’m fine with Mitt. Sarah will still be around and stronger in 2016.
zeebeach on July 20, 2009 at 11:07 AM
I have to say I am honestly shocked by these numbers. This is far better than his approval numbers tanking. There is some major buyer’s remorse out there.
msmveritas on July 20, 2009 at 11:07 AM
Now, now … all this talk of Palin or Romney is just fantasy. You guys know we need to let the media pick our candidate just like last time. A “centrist” and “moderate”. Someone who understands the importance of having the state run everything and who, darn it, has the balls not to lower taxes. We need someone who won’t say bad things about his opponent and won’t be a meanie. Americans hate that, at least that’s what the media says.
Trust the media guys … they know what’s best.
darwin on July 20, 2009 at 11:08 AM
Wolftech on July 20, 2009 at 11:06 AM
thanks for the laffs
gatorboy on July 20, 2009 at 11:08 AM
If the MSM would simply report half of what Obama does, it would be:
Anybody: 100%, Obama: 0%
Okay, maybe a bit higher than 0% to account for the hopeless libtards.
Daggett on July 20, 2009 at 11:08 AM
I like these numbers. Our bench looks good. Palin/Romney or Romney/Palin looks like a sure thing. I wonder if the Romney people will figure this out and stop trying to destroy Palin?
Obama is toast. Not even the good kind, he’s the toast with sesame seeds and little nuts and grains and it’s burnt and you have to scrape all the burned part off. Than you end up throwing it away because it’s just ruined. Yeah thats it.
portlandon on July 20, 2009 at 11:08 AM
Palin is the most interesting woman in the world. Her reputation is expanding faster than the universe.
faraway on July 20, 2009 at 11:09 AM
Has to be the sense that she’s not necessarily “better” than them; she’s just better looking. That’ll piss you off, and I think guys think the same way. We tend to hate the phony that gets by on charm, and doesn’t know his azz from a hole in the ground.
(Now before I get flamed to a crisp, let me be very clear: I adore this lady, and would vote for her (and did) right up to the VP spot without hesitation. For what it’s worth, my wife and daughters like her, too.)
Jaibones on July 20, 2009 at 11:09 AM
Compare to previous poll:
http://hotair.com/archives/2009/04/23/poll-toughest-match-up-for-obama-in-2012-is-huckabee/
from the PDF:
Phoenician on July 20, 2009 at 11:09 AM
Romney/Palin or Palin/Romney
I’d be fine with both, however, what I’d really like to see would be Palin/Giuliani.
darwin on July 20, 2009 at 11:09 AM
Stay thirsty, my friends.
Jaibones on July 20, 2009 at 11:10 AM
It’s been scientifically proven too.
darwin on July 20, 2009 at 11:10 AM
Women tend to be more liberal. Women tend to support social programs for a various reasons. Just because Palin is a woman doesn’t mean women would vote for her or they agree with her.
terryannonline on July 20, 2009 at 11:10 AM
The fact is
romney
huckaf*ck
palin
giuliani
et. al
ARE BETTER
than obarf obarfo
blatantblue on July 20, 2009 at 11:10 AM
Yeah. Like in 2012, voters are going to elect a guy who waffles on every issue and belongs to some weird religion.
lorien1973 on July 20, 2009 at 11:11 AM
Count me in as part of this group, which will only get bigger with time.
What would these match-ups look like once Obama is down in 30% approval rating territory, which will inevitably happen? The GOP would win with whoever they put up, so why take our chance with a RINO like Romney? Just my 2 cents…
Norwegian on July 20, 2009 at 11:11 AM
some women tend to hate other women for absolutely no reason
blatantblue on July 20, 2009 at 11:11 AM
Duuude…have u ever had a Sabrett dog grilled to perfection @ a backyard barbecue with a brewsky? That’s tasty.
Romney/Palin 2012!
RepubChica on July 20, 2009 at 11:11 AM
I haven’t seen any proof that Romney’s people are “trying to destroy Palin”. Perhaps you can point me to something other than MSM rumors to substantiate that claim?
zeebeach on July 20, 2009 at 11:12 AM
I think jealousy figures in there somewhere as well.
darwin on July 20, 2009 at 11:12 AM
No, I think I have it right. Palin will bring real hope and change. Plus, President Palin would cause a sudden vacuum in journalism as many impale themselves.
Princeps on July 20, 2009 at 11:12 AM
I think its amazing that Palin fares 48/42 against Obama after all the mud and under handed treatment by the press, the Democrats and no small number of Washington-Republican-Elites. On her own with some good exposure she could pull this off.
johnsteele on July 20, 2009 at 11:13 AM
Says the person with the Alex Jones video link… so have you got your tinfoil hat on?
Huckabee is a better choice than either Palin or Romney (and I hope its Romney that is the Governor X, even though it would hurt now, better to get rid of the slimeballs now then in an October Surprise). The problem is, the republicans have lost their way and are being led by RINOs. If they return to their TRUE conservative roots, they would make far better headway in 2010 and the brass ring in 2012.
Wolftech on July 20, 2009 at 11:13 AM
I would have like to have seen a “complete nobody” in a match up against Obama. Like a Tim Pawlenty or a Rick Perry. Just to see where Obama really is, as opposed to where Romney and Palin sway things.
Abby Adams on July 20, 2009 at 11:14 AM
I’d pay real money to see that, imagine a journalist/Democrat (same thing actually) mass self-impalement on the Mall at high noon. A sight to behold.
johnsteele on July 20, 2009 at 11:14 AM
i loove sabrett
Palin is like
Nathans (my fave)
Romney is like Sabrett (my second?)
and Huckabee is like Ball Parks — my least
blatantblue on July 20, 2009 at 11:15 AM
Yep. Attacked 24/7 and blamed for everything, hated by leftists and Republicans yet pulls these numbers?
That’s something to think about.
darwin on July 20, 2009 at 11:15 AM
This is turning out to be a great Monday.
Amadeus on July 20, 2009 at 11:15 AM
No not necessarily. Women don’t support each other like minority groups do but I don’t think it has anything to do with jealously. It is really simple: Women voters like their social programs and saying you are going to cut social programs turns them off….even if it is a women saying it.
terryannonline on July 20, 2009 at 11:15 AM
You know who we need in 2012?
John Mccain!
BPD on July 20, 2009 at 11:15 AM
O! for it to be so. I would vote for Romney or Huck right now, especially since all of the true conservative-Christian types have been discovered in bed with someone else’s wife or daughter. Time to let that mix drift away from view for a while, imo.
And I would happily support Sarah on the VP spot, but I hope for her longer-term health that she sits it out and continues to develop a philosophy and resume.
Jaibones on July 20, 2009 at 11:15 AM
Palin? I thought she was out of politics. Didn’t she quit in the middle of her term? Why, how could anyone vote for someone who doesn’t finish their term in office? That’s just suicidal for a politician’s career.
Yes, this is Sarcasm.
PappaMac on July 20, 2009 at 11:16 AM
Proves my point. They left Huckabee off the poll. If he would have been there, then perhaps he might have led 0bama. But since the RINOs here have such blind hatred (much like BDS or PDS), that kind of information will not be posted.
Wolftech on July 20, 2009 at 11:16 AM
word
shes a power house — it is undeniable
blatantblue on July 20, 2009 at 11:16 AM
Heh.
Secondthirdfourth look at McCain!He’s gotta be just sick, asking himself how he lost to this effing putz Ogabe.
Jaibones on July 20, 2009 at 11:16 AM
msmveritas on July 20, 2009 at 11:18 AM
Sorry didn’t mean to put bottom portion in block quotes, that was my response to blatantblue.
msmveritas on July 20, 2009 at 11:18 AM
OK … I’ll defer to your obvious advantage in understanding the situation. I suppose then Palin won’t get many women votes because if she won (hypothetically), and we had the numbers in Congress she would shrink government and the budget. That means social programs, which is by any measure, killing this country.
darwin on July 20, 2009 at 11:19 AM
I’m just curious, have you paid attention to what this woman has accomplished? She’s done more for the sovereignty of this country than any person in power, right now.
I’m not an advocate for her running in 2012, but this woman deserves waaaaaaay more credit than she even gets from her allies.
Editor on July 20, 2009 at 11:19 AM
Sounds like an intern instead of a VP.
LevStrauss on July 20, 2009 at 11:19 AM
Uh, he tried really, really, really hard to lose. Mission accomplished.
Editor on July 20, 2009 at 11:20 AM
Let’s not forget this Poll is based on the perception of Gov. Palin from last Fall and media spin. When the voters get to know the REAL Sarah I have no doubt this will change for the good. When the voters realize Gov. Palin is not an Ideologue and more True to Republicism (not RINO)the indies and conservative Dem’s will at least give her a second look. Her poll no. can only go up.
Clyde5445 on July 20, 2009 at 11:20 AM
Would be a great opportunity for a return to REAL journalism.
Princeps on July 20, 2009 at 11:21 AM
The Democrats could run a lamp post against Hucklebuck in 2012 and beat him. And I wouldn’t be surprised if he was Governor X. Rumors of extramarital affairs plagued him during his tenure as governor of Arkansas even though he was never caught with his pants down.
Percy_Peabody on July 20, 2009 at 11:21 AM
I heard it from this one guy who knows this one person who makes Croquet sets for the Romney family. Yeah they hate her. /s
The MSM rumors are coming from Romney people. Parker,Noonan,Brooks, wing of The Establishment GOP. There is a concerted effort to knee cap Palin now, weaken her.
portlandon on July 20, 2009 at 11:21 AM
She’ll get women voters for sure but I wouldn’t be surprised if she still lost the women vote…even it is by a small margin.
terryannonline on July 20, 2009 at 11:22 AM
No surprise when Obama is doling out billions of dollars. Romney nor Palin have the cookie jar. The ones getting the freebies will always go with Obama.
fourdeucer on July 20, 2009 at 11:22 AM
Sarah’s percentage will rise and Obama’s percentage will drop in direct proportion to the number of appearances and speeches she gives in the coming months and years.
It’s at 42/48 now, following one Op-Ed article. Ten more Op-Eds and a dozen or so speeches and Obama’s numbers will be below the Mendoza line.
fogw on July 20, 2009 at 11:22 AM
Well, what are you afraid of Mister President?
Call an election NOW!
YYZ on July 20, 2009 at 11:22 AM
Rasmussen doesn’t even bother to poll the Huckster because he is a non-entity. Everybody knows this, except AP and Wolftech appearantly.
Norwegian on July 20, 2009 at 11:23 AM
I’m not quite sure that people understand that the media and democrats have shot their entire wad trying to kill her … and not only have they failed, she’s growing stronger. I don’t care if someone likes her or hates her but they have to acknowledge that fact.
She’s in a position to virtually control the media. Anytime she wants air time, she’s going to get it.
darwin on July 20, 2009 at 11:23 AM
All of them, Jaibones? Lists and links, please.
zeebeach on July 20, 2009 at 11:23 AM
That may be true for some women, as well as the Libs painting Palin (with the help of their media outlets and blogs)as a militant pro-lifer who’ll stalk abortion clinics and their doctors….but to completely cast jealousy into the wind…no way! From a scientific standpoint, Homo sapien women are perhaps the most enviously vile and resentfully jealous creatures…evah. Just look at all the books on Amazon written by female psychologists and successful female CEO’s pertaining to the subject…here’s a good one.
RepubChica on July 20, 2009 at 11:26 AM
I believe this is the reason Ann Coulter suggested women not be allowed to vote. She wasn’t kidding.
SouthernGent on July 20, 2009 at 11:26 AM
Well I suppose her job would be to explain how social programs are not a panacea for all that ails us.
darwin on July 20, 2009 at 11:26 AM
Not to mention his ‘miraculous’ weight-loss due to ‘excercise, diet, and will’… funny how he took an extended trip away from the double-wide and came back thinner, oh, and his weight loss pattern and photos match 100% those of folks who underwent a gastro bypass… then again, if he mentioned that, he wouldn’t have been able to nanny-state AR’s school children.
The guy’s a joke
gatorboy on July 20, 2009 at 11:28 AM
Sigh … I love Ann Coulter.
darwin on July 20, 2009 at 11:28 AM
Sorry, but I’ve been ASSURED by the folks at HA that a third party is the only way to guarantee victory. It’s worked so well for the Libertarian Party. I mean, they almost broke 3% once!
mankai on July 20, 2009 at 11:28 AM
hahah – good one!
gatorboy on July 20, 2009 at 11:29 AM
Parker, Noonan and Brooks were Obama people. Fail.
zeebeach on July 20, 2009 at 11:29 AM
Well, he
right about Bush setting up that military dictatorship and suspending elections.
mankai on July 20, 2009 at 11:31 AM
I did say that women don’t support each other like other groups do. However, I don’t think that is related to jealously. To simply dismiss women who do not support Palin as “jealous” is really simplifying the issue and not the truth.
terryannonline on July 20, 2009 at 11:31 AM
More conspiracy theory from the Alex Jones zombie? Go back to your UFO and NWO boards.
Wolftech on July 20, 2009 at 11:31 AM
Well, McCain does have 10 times the Twitter followers as Sarah Palin:
McCain – over 1 million;
Palin – a little over 100,000
ChrisB on July 20, 2009 at 11:32 AM
You know who this helps?
Mitt Romney.
Good Lt on July 20, 2009 at 11:33 AM
The chances are good, that it will be the republican nominee vs. president Biden.
Six months in, and Obama’s already committed several impeachable offenses, in another year or so, the stink will reach impossible to ignore levels.
Rebar on July 20, 2009 at 11:33 AM
What? You’d rather redicule others than debate the merits of having a preacher-in-chief?
gatorboy on July 20, 2009 at 11:34 AM
I think all RepubChica and I are saying is that while it may not play a significant part, jealousy does play a role in the vitriol hurled against Palin and the decision to not support her.
darwin on July 20, 2009 at 11:34 AM
True, she wasn’t. As a conservative female, I’m afraid I agree with Ann.
zeebeach on July 20, 2009 at 11:34 AM
I would like to point this post out as an example of a respectful reflection of what normal, rational discourse regarding Palin looks like. Notice the lack of sexism, or grotesque manufacturing of irrelevant smears.
portlandon on July 20, 2009 at 11:35 AM
Chris B …sarcasm?
John Mccain : 6,254 Following
Fats McCain: 50 k
Palin 1oo k
CWforFreedom on July 20, 2009 at 11:35 AM
Yes. They push Romney now. What does that tell you? Win.
portlandon on July 20, 2009 at 11:36 AM
Sorry John has 12000 followers
CWforFreedom on July 20, 2009 at 11:36 AM
You are the one throwing accusations around about Huckabee. I am just doing my part to point out the source is an Alex Jones disciple.
Wolftech on July 20, 2009 at 11:36 AM
How long has he had his acct? Most of that was due to the election. I have faith Palin will easily top that number in due time.
davek70 on July 20, 2009 at 11:37 AM
Nope. See link.
http://twitter.com/SenJohnMcCain
ChrisB on July 20, 2009 at 11:37 AM
Ugh … that’s a signal to run from Romney if I ever saw one.
darwin on July 20, 2009 at 11:37 AM
They did in 2008
DrAllecon on July 20, 2009 at 11:38 AM
Who’s going to impeach him? The Democrats?
Even if the GOP somehow takes the House AND Senate in 2010… do you believe they’ll have the nads? I’d rather a sverely wounded and unpopular Obama in there in 2012.
Aside: this is why I want Sotomayor on the court. She’s a known racist and she’s badly damaged goods. BHO would only give us another Communist… so better an unpopular one who will be watched than a popular one who makes BHO look good.
mankai on July 20, 2009 at 11:38 AM
http://twitter.com/JohnMcCain
CWforFreedom on July 20, 2009 at 11:39 AM
Where is it written they’re pushing Romney now? I’m not disagreeing, but I haven’t seen that anywhere (from the writers themselves, that is).
zeebeach on July 20, 2009 at 11:40 AM
I don’t disagree about Palin. But it is so easy to discontinue following a tweeter (one mouse click), I think most of the people following McCain do so deliberately, rather than being too time-consumed to do one mouse-click to discontinue following him 9 months after he lost the election.
ChrisB on July 20, 2009 at 11:40 AM
Actually if you look at Gov. Palin’s AK budgets She increased social spending and Cut spending from other areas. She also Veto’s pork projects.
Clyde5445 on July 20, 2009 at 11:42 AM
Who is “they?”
Good Lt on July 20, 2009 at 11:43 AM
Whatever the number, McCain spelled defeat for the GOP
CWforFreedom on July 20, 2009 at 11:43 AM
That’s ancient – last updated in February, in which McCain urges his million-strong followers to switch to his current link.
ChrisB on July 20, 2009 at 11:43 AM
Well she will have problem with the Republican base by running on social spending.
terryannonline on July 20, 2009 at 11:43 AM
Yeah, like losing a game of tic-tac-toe to a tree frog, and you get first turn. It’s not easy, but if you work hard enough you can do it! And heaven knows McCain and his “handlers” tried hard enough.
DrAllecon on July 20, 2009 at 11:43 AM
Mitt Romney will be the nominee in 2012. If he’s not, something’s wrong with the GOP base.
OKCubsFan on July 20, 2009 at 11:44 AM
McCain still sucks
I suspect that number includes many who would never vote pub for president
CWforFreedom on July 20, 2009 at 11:48 AM
Amen.
nickj116 on July 20, 2009 at 11:48 AM
CHRIS–
Palin only got into Twitter recently BTW
CWforFreedom on July 20, 2009 at 11:48 AM
Simplify? Your first post completely took jealousy off the table as a contributing factor in women’s negative attitude towards Palin and I merely pointed out–ah, ah, not so fast. Notice in my response post I didn’t say ALL women at ALL times are green with envy over Palin and agreed with the cutting social program meme.
With that said, I will venture and say that some people just hate or dislike Obama because of his color without knowing the full scope of his political philosophy…some people just hate. Humans are masters at it!
RepubChica on July 20, 2009 at 11:49 AM
If you follow the thread back, it’s Kathleen Parker, Peggy Noonan and David Brooks. I have not seen any of them write that they’re supporting Mitt in 2012.
zeebeach on July 20, 2009 at 11:49 AM
HaHa ….. a prediction from a cubs fan. When are they right, about once every hundred years?
fogw on July 20, 2009 at 11:49 AM
Well she will have problem with the Republican base by running on social spending.
terryannonline on July 20, 2009 at 11:43 AM
Clyde5445 on July 20, 2009 at 11:49 AM
I guess we are in an agreement. It just a semantic disagreement.
terryannonline on July 20, 2009 at 11:50 AM
Well one thing for sure Palin keeps things interesting
CWforFreedom on July 20, 2009 at 11:51 AM
Kind of weird that Palin would have a tenth the twitter followers yet get 10 times the turnout at rallies compared to MCCAIN hmmmmm
CWforFreedom on July 20, 2009 at 11:54 AM
Gotta wonder if the Dems are not playing games
CWforFreedom on July 20, 2009 at 11:54 AM
Parker:Mitt, nor Rush is GOP’s Top Man
This is the new meme. Romney is the next in line. He might well be. There are things about Romney I like. I just happen to like Palin better. I’d vote for either.
portlandon on July 20, 2009 at 11:58 AM
This is nothing but HORRIBLE NEWS FOR ROMNEY
Quick, name me a romney ‘hit piece’. All the us knows is he’s rich & a good business man that tried to do something with healthcare……………and he’s mired at 45%.
Palin, however, has had EVERYTHING thrown at her, lies, pregnancy rumors, newspaper covers, SNL, bad interviews, emails with lies, resigned her governorship, media HATE…………………….and she’s still at 42%.
I challenge any Mitt-head to look at those numbers at tell me it’s GOOD for MITT or it’s BAD for SARAH.
Imagine Mitt the nominee…”why did your church ban blacks until the 1980s? why are you against obamas health care if you did the same thing? you had a ‘conversion’ to pro-life in your 50s, what else will you flip flop on? were you a part of the scandal $$$ payolas in the salt lake olympics?” etc, etc, etc……..
A BRAND NEW SHINY MITT = A DAMAGED GOODS SARACUDA.
Bank on Sarah, and with some help, she’ll beat Mitt every time!!!!!!!!!!
battleoflepanto1571 on July 20, 2009 at 12:00 PM
From C4P:
PEC in the thread above made an interesting observation.
“The best is 32% of Repubs will vote for her as a 3rd party candidate. With that # the primaries are a done deal.”
promachus on July 20, 2009 at 12:01 PM
Mitt is the globalists’ Repube candidate (as was McCain).
They’ll be happy with Obama or Romney in 2012. Obama will get them their NWO faster but Mitt will get them there too.
Palin needs to NOT be seduced by the CFR, Bilderberg, Tri-lateral, Rockefeller, etc. If she does, she’s toast. She’s no different than Romney.
Some say her multi-million $ book deal was the first shot of seduction at the Arctic Fox.
Eyes wide open Sarah. These criminals have centuries of practice at the art of evil.
Let’s roll.
ex-Democrat on July 20, 2009 at 12:02 PM
Actually I remember the late night comedians and the media in general being pretty hard on Mitt during the Republican primaries. They could hardly hold their contempt.
terryannonline on July 20, 2009 at 12:03 PM
Why do women not want to vote overwhelmingly for Sarah Palin?
Is it truly preference for Obama’s liberal politics?
Or is it jealousy?
SCOOPTHIScarlos on July 20, 2009 at 12:05 PM
um, in what way?
all i remember was letterman saying “MMMMMITT ROMNEY” and laughing that his name was mitt/mitten. zero on policy/substance, just made fun of his name/ken dollishness.
maybe im wrong, but i dont remember any policy attacks, or attacks on lies, like the “sarrah palin believes dinosaurs didnt exist” or whatever
battleoflepanto1571 on July 20, 2009 at 12:06 PM
LOL. let me guess… you’re pretty young, under 30?
battleoflepanto1571 on July 20, 2009 at 12:07 PM
This is wrong. Her political obituary was already written by Ed,Allah,Ace etc. Why would people vote for a dead woman?
portlandon on July 20, 2009 at 12:07 PM
I think these numbers destroy the myth that both Mittbots and Dems were paralaying, that while Sarah’s a shoo in a for the primaries, she can’t win in the general. Well, now she can.
She’s also a lock for the primaries, so this proves she has a path to presidency. Many people are sitting on the sidelines because they don’t think she’s a viable candidate. Well now, she is.
If Romney continues his underhand, slimy tactics, he’ll lose any chance he might have had.
promachus on July 20, 2009 at 12:08 PM
Jon Stewart said “F#&$ You!” to Mitt Romney the day he bowed out.
terryannonline on July 20, 2009 at 12:09 PM
I am 27.
I asked a girl I know this question and she will not answer me.
I am guessing it must be jealousy, especially since Sarah Palin is really pretty, has a great family, and a great life.
SCOOPTHIScarlos on July 20, 2009 at 12:10 PM
More from C4P:
sarah is at 51%/43 with hispanics
More:
The numbers from this poll also seem to indicate that Sarah Palin did not do herself any immediate damage with her decision to resign as Governor of Alaska. Her favorability spread of 47/45 is the best PPP has found it over the course of six surveys conducted in the last four months. Also, her eight point deficit against Obama is the first time it’s been in single digits over the course of these monthly 2012 polls. She also continues to have easily the highest percentage of GOP voters holding a positive opinion of her.
promachus on July 20, 2009 at 12:12 PM
Exactly. Mittens have had a free ride from the press, while Sarah has been hit by the worst media onslaught in history, yet they are virtually within the margin of error of each other in matchups against Ogabe.
What if the media suddenly started to attack Mittens? How far down would his numbers go?
Norwegian on July 20, 2009 at 12:13 PM
I like Mitt — he’s a good man. What I worry about, though, is if the health care disaster becomes law, how will he fare given that he signed a similar health care boondoggle in Massachusetts?
Richard Romano on July 20, 2009 at 12:14 PM
Polls… ugh.
upinak on July 20, 2009 at 12:14 PM
It’s the whole ball of wax topped by irrevocable sexism in the men of both political parties, truly a mountain to overcome would it be not for the genuine love and passion she invokes in patriotic, God-fearing Americans…and to not have any media activists on her behalf but a swarm of everyday blog posters, yet to still be where she is politically. It’s mind-blowing how they try to bury her yet are unable to because of people like us and her tenacious spirit. Her life is a veritable Hollywood movie. Ugly villians abound at every turn.
RepubChica on July 20, 2009 at 12:14 PM
Don’t be too hard on them. They are going to become more bitter.. just watch.
So… you ready?
upinak on July 20, 2009 at 12:15 PM
Yeah, I am sure that would count as an MSM hit piece…/sarc
How many people watch Jon Stewart? 900k? And how many of those are die-hard libs? 99.99%?
Give me a break.
Norwegian on July 20, 2009 at 12:16 PM
Ok, conservatives, what do we have against supporting all the TALENT we can get in the republican party? Looks like the supposed conservatives are eating their own? Well, I don’t believe it. Anyone pushing for a third party, or pushing for a “Sarah Palin or No-one” ticket is a democrat in my opinion. Go away. I like both. I’ll make up my mind later in terms of voting.
zeebeach on July 20, 2009 at 12:16 PM
Sorry, by “I like both”, I mean Romney and Palin.
zeebeach on July 20, 2009 at 12:18 PM
Oh please don’t exaggerate. Sarah has not gotten the worst media onslaught.
Plus, I saw an interview with Mitt Romney on the Early Show last month i think and the host Harry whatever his name could hardly hold his contempt for Romney. Every time Romney tried to make a point he would slap him down.
terryannonline on July 20, 2009 at 12:20 PM
Norwegian on July 20, 2009 at 12:16 PM
What about “Who let the dogs out?”… The press had a field day with that one. Oh, wait, nevermind – that was Romney that said/did that… haha
gatorboy on July 20, 2009 at 12:24 PM
Plus, I saw an interview with Mitt Romney on the Early Show last month i think and the host Harry whatever his name could hardly hold his contempt for Romney. Every time Romney tried to make a point he would slap him down.
terryannonline on July 20, 2009 at 12:20 PM
Yawn. Get back to me when the media starts running stories how Mittens is loosing his hair, is not the real father of his own children and is suffering of some sort of clinical depression.
Norwegian on July 20, 2009 at 12:26 PM
I think Huckabee gave Romney a harder time during the primaries last year…do you remember when Huck’s most high-profile supporter, Chuck Norris, wanted to beat Romney up for talking smack about his guy? A reporter asked Romney about it and he looked right into the camera and said “just don’t touch the hair, Chuck”. lol
RepubChica on July 20, 2009 at 12:26 PM
More C4P news:
romney is at 35/41 with hispanics
palin is at 51/43
promachus on July 20, 2009 at 12:29 PM
And Sean Hannity is spreading the stupid Obama birth certificate story on his show. Are you going to get upset about that?
terryannonline on July 20, 2009 at 12:29 PM
1-name me anyone in politics in the past 2 generations, if not last 100 years, that has had worse treatment than palin……………..and remember SHE WAS RUNNING FOR VICE PRESIDENT, NOT PRESIDENT. closest i can come to is the guy that electrocuted himself in therapy (muskie) where the media piled on, but he also dropped out. but even that was 1 issue ‘his mind’, not his issues, religion, church, daughters, ethics, glasses, looks, intelligence, fp experience, accent, winks, etc, etc, …… seriously, who even comes CLOSE? dan quayle had “potato” and murphy brown, but he was a SITTING VP and a known quantity. sarah was new on the scene nationally and was treated like an ex girlfriend. even quayle wasn’t attacked for looks, religion, etc, etc… where were the lies that marilyn quayle was a secessionist?
seriously, who EVEN compares??????
2-while i’m sure that’s true about harry smith, he does it with anyone not a communist. go to newsbusters.org and search ‘harry smith’. he has his own page. it ain’t just mitt.
battleoflepanto1571 on July 20, 2009 at 12:30 PM
holy moly!
battleoflepanto1571 on July 20, 2009 at 12:30 PM
The Palinistas…Guaranteeing the GOP remains benchwarmers for years to come.
Boehner 2012!
JetBoy on July 20, 2009 at 12:31 PM
If Hannity did it in the first TWO WEEKS after obama’s 2004 DNC speech, yes.
If he did it after obama fiscallyy raped our nation, no.
WHen did anyone become an INSTANT lightning rod for attack as palin, so fast, ever?
battleoflepanto1571 on July 20, 2009 at 12:31 PM
My hope is that the Right will stop attacking itself. Everyone saw the disaster that occured last Election with the Ron Paul people offending nearly everyone who wasn’t keen on Paul for the GOP nomination (and Presidency).
I read truly despicable crud from McCain promoters as to Romney last Election (the pro-McCain minority were probably more hateful than anyone else, in my experience, about everyone else — truly terrible, and why it was that many of us who already did not have good opinions of McCain were even more prone to dislike him after reading and seeing how it was that his promoters maligned [actually "attacked"] others on the Right). Palin’s addition to McCain’s ticket saved that ticket but it was only after a lot of overlooking as to just how badly McCain’s ‘people’ had been attacking others.
Then there was the Palin People attacking the Romney People, continuing after the Election and into this year. The Paul People have become a bit less aggressive with others but the Libertarian People continue to illustrate a dislike for nearly everyone else, particularly for Conservatives.
HERE’S MY PERSPECTIVE about the GOP candidate: he (or she) who has the best talent and sincerity for the Presidency. I like Romney and always have for the sheer fact that the guy’s very intelligent, capable with economic issues and an aggressive Capitalist, as he is also someone who really.wants.the.Presidency (that impresses me, his intent).
Palin’s a wonderful person who I truly admire and enjoy, who I’d vote for in a flash should she be the GOP nominee.
I wouldn’t vote for Paul based upon a number of factors and among them is his age and his isolationist and anti-Israel strangeness, while calling that smart economics. I also have not had a good experience with Paul People in general and I generally feel uncomfortable about their motives, at least, many of their motives. I feel none of that hesitation for Romney, nor for Palin, nor their keenest supporters.
Since our nation has incredible economic challenges to overcome, why not go with the best intellect we can nominate? I still like Romney if for one reason and that is that he’s intelligent.
Lourdes on July 20, 2009 at 12:31 PM
I can be convinced…
zeebeach on July 20, 2009 at 12:32 PM
The target of the worst smear job in the history of the Republic is right there neck and neck with Ochavez. Of course, the RINOs’ preferred option does pretty good vs. Ochavez as well, but then again, how does Captain Plastic win the nomination?
james23 on July 20, 2009 at 12:32 PM
Of all the current potentials, I prefer Palin, but I anticipate a certain aspect of ‘12 that might end up hurting her and helping Romney.
If the disaster of Obama is finally clear, will the voters have the stomach for another “historic” president, or will they want to go running back to the safety and security of another “old” white guy?
Of course, maybe by ‘12 Axelrod will have anticipated this and be emphasizing Obama as half-white and no longer historically significant.
Kensington on July 20, 2009 at 12:33 PM
JetBoy, representing the 14? 18? republicans that are pro-gay-marriage, anti-gun, anti-populist, pro-stimulus (at least your boy charlie crist is), democrat-lite.
Sadly, 12 of those 18 are GOP senators……
JetBoy fantasy:
Snowe/Spector ‘12!
battleoflepanto1571 on July 20, 2009 at 12:33 PM
Yes, exactly, and it *is* huge. Come on, Republicans (and Independents), let’s please not blow it in 2010 and 2012 with infighting. Let’s win these elections.
Lourdes on July 20, 2009 at 12:35 PM
it obama were republican? YES
but obama is a “dem”. your scenario implies that the media would say “this happened BECAUSE we elected a non-white guy”. A) not true, it’s his marxism & inexperience running a lemonade state, and B) they wouldn’t say it even if genetically somehow every half-kenyan, half-hawaiian was a troll.
battleoflepanto1571 on July 20, 2009 at 12:35 PM
state=stand
battleoflepanto1571 on July 20, 2009 at 12:36 PM
One thing more: I can’t and will not (ever) vote for ANYone who is anti-2nd Amendment and who doesn’t think that the 2nd applies to every individual American (as Sotomayor does not believe such, for example).
The Libertarian Leftwingism is the deathknoll for any GOP wins, in my view. It’s the Leftwing all over again.
Lourdes on July 20, 2009 at 12:37 PM
I’m not following you. What relevance does this have to whether Romney’s had an easier time in the press than Palin, or whether anyone’s had it worse than Palin?
Are you suggesting that birth certificate questions about Obama, unexplored by anyone in the MSM (and Hannity doesn’t count in that regard), and clearly having zero effect on his approval ratings, are somehow comparable to Trig Trutherism or any of the other Sullivanesque character assassination attempts that have been relentlessly thrown at Palin for almost a year now?
Really?
Kensington on July 20, 2009 at 12:38 PM
Romney? Of Romneycare fame? Uh, no thanks. Do we really want the guy that helped develop a bastard lovechild with socialized medicine, and is proving to be a disaster in Massachusetts leading the charge against Obamacare? I don’t.
doubleplusundead on July 20, 2009 at 12:38 PM
Bingo. All the damage they tried to do to her, and it didn’t hardly affect her.
Enoxo on July 20, 2009 at 12:38 PM
Between Romney and Palin, I’ll choose Palin every time.
doubleplusundead on July 20, 2009 at 12:39 PM
That deserves its own headline. Are there any republicans over 50???????????????
If anything CLOSE to that held in 2012, slam dunk.
Of course, my dream palin VP would fit the dem idea of “identity politics” very well…
PALIN / RUBIO 2012!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
battleoflepanto1571 on July 20, 2009 at 12:40 PM
Beware anyone who writes, “I’m a Republican but I support _____, ____ and ______ (while naming Democrat Platform items).
They’re there to create first questions, then arguments and then, finally, a win for the Democrats.
I’ve seen this happen time and again on many public commenting boards, that worming into issues by the Left, posing as “Republicans”.
Lourdes on July 20, 2009 at 12:40 PM
You betcha. =)
portlandon on July 20, 2009 at 12:40 PM
Idiot.
Yes, I’m pro-gay marriage. NO…I am not anti-gun, especially since I own two myself. See, this is a problem…I disagree with the “real conservatives” on one or two issues, and lo!…I’m a liberal Democrat.
It’s people like you who also guarantee the Republican Party won’t see a congressional majority for a loooong time.
Congrats.
JetBoy on July 20, 2009 at 12:42 PM
I don’t know about this…Romney’s a self-made multi-milionaire, cum laude Ivy-League educated, and a…..man. He just might be able to get away with these things if history is any guide.
RepubChica on July 20, 2009 at 12:42 PM
Has it been a century since the Cubs won a world series, Cub Fan?
Right_of_Attila on July 20, 2009 at 12:42 PM
See? There ya’ go, that’s the condemnation voce that ruins cohesiveness, works toward defeat.
From what I read about “Romneycare,” he, as a Republican, was Governor of an extremely Liberal state that was dead-set on “socialized healthcare” “for all”. And he had a Leftwing, Democrat state legislature to work with, so-called.
So the end result was at least done with some good economics, from also what I read, while navigating through a Leftwing determinist environment that (1.) was set on the end result of socialized healthcare anyway, regardless and (2.) would not accommodate much change to that first goal.
I don’t know many details afterward other than as with all socialized medicine, Massachusetts’ plan fails to function as most would prefer that it would.
But Romney speaks well of what he managed there to accomplish, so I ought to go read more of what that actually was…
Lourdes on July 20, 2009 at 12:45 PM
Palin was a better governor then Romney
rob verdi on July 20, 2009 at 12:45 PM
Send me the info and let me get it started!
upinak on July 20, 2009 at 12:45 PM
+10
zeebeach on July 20, 2009 at 12:45 PM
Cubs fans are always wrong.
Norwegian on July 20, 2009 at 12:46 PM
1-did you support the stimulus
2-do you NOW considering gov. fabuluous crist in florida supports it and love obama?
battleoflepanto1571 on July 20, 2009 at 12:47 PM
Tell me, battleofpanto1571, when was it that YOU came to maintain a pro-life position? When was the year, at what age, did you reason your own ideas and formulate YOUR INDIVIDUAL opinions and positions on that issue?
It has to have happened at some point in one’s life, is my point. You didn’t just start declaring you were pro-life at conception, not if you’re a thinking person of reasonable intelligence, you as with everyone, came to that position and perspective at some point after you were old enough to comprehend what was involved, to make an informed decision for yourself, by yourself. Same with everyone else.
I respect Romney’s changes toward a pro-life perspective as I’ve heard him explain them. I’m a very Conservative person and only came about to a pro-life position after I came to, then, understand what was actually involved.
At some point, especially when younger, many people are focused on what they determine to be their “right” to do what they want and they are not cognizant of the human life involved as to conception and birth control, except their own. At some point later, they begin to broaden their understandings of just what pro-life is.
Lourdes on July 20, 2009 at 12:49 PM
Can I say that its idiots like you who cannot brook disagreement on even a single issue who will be the death of us all?
promachus on July 20, 2009 at 12:50 PM
No, I did not, nor do not, support the stimulus on a national level.
And Crist did what he had to for Florida. There, the extra $$$ did save jobs.
JetBoy on July 20, 2009 at 12:51 PM
I like Romney and he could be a good president, but he helped destroy health care in his state as a way to lay the groundwork for the Presidential run. That should not be forgotten.
rob verdi on July 20, 2009 at 12:52 PM
@battleoflepanto.
I would say cheney & Bush have\ had pretty vicious attacks thown @ them. No none involving family but pretty heinous stuff nonetheless. I would say that sarah has had it tougher than Bush or Cheney.
terryannonline on July 20, 2009 at 12:52 PM
So after “exposing herself as an imbecile who thinks Africa is a country ” and “destroying her political career by cutting and running from office” (/msm), Palin would currently lose to the “greatest President since FDR” (/msm) by a whopping…err…6 points.
Interesting.
Ponz on July 20, 2009 at 12:52 PM
If its Romney v. Obama, the nation is getting government healthcare, whether it wants that or not. Some choice. Big Gov’t Whig vs Socialist.
james23 on July 20, 2009 at 12:54 PM
Ponz on July 20, 2009 at 12:52 PM
Wrong thread, or something, bozo.
zeebeach on July 20, 2009 at 12:55 PM
There are a few very loud and very ugly people who supported McCain who HATE Mormons and they hate Romney because he’s Mormon, who are convinced that Mormons are generally out to destroy — and always have been, so they opine — “brown people” or Native Americans and anyone else they can throw in there with a generally “Hispanic” passing-name-tag.
Don’t listen to them, they’re nuts. I’m not Mormon, just to clarify, nor am I Hispanic (nor “Brown”) but I’ve read more crud from a few people such as this who then pepper the internet with blasted cut-and-paste diatribes railing against Mormons (and Romney for being one) based upon their (what appears to be) delusions and paranoia.
Lourdes on July 20, 2009 at 12:55 PM
Nicely done. I’m in the Palin camp, but that puts it into perspective for me on MittCare. I thought Romney was very strong in the primary debates and will make mincemeat of Obama in any economical conversation they may engage in…besides, he has 4 thorough-bred sons I wouldn’t mind seeing more of in the future. Wanna saddle one of those puppies up and go for a ride.
RepubChica on July 20, 2009 at 12:55 PM
You’re kinda pathetic. I always saw you excessive caviling in Palin posts and thought you were having an intellectual exercise in obtuseness. But no, turns out you are a Romney hack. Pathetic.
promachus on July 20, 2009 at 12:57 PM
Meant to write:
I would not say that Sarah has had it tougher than Bush or Cheney.
terryannonline on July 20, 2009 at 12:57 PM
Huh?
promachus on July 20, 2009 at 12:58 PM
Well, no, not necessarily, not if you (me and everyone else) remembers to vote sensibly and wisely in next year’s Senate races. 2010 is the year we can make improvements on the present-day Pelosi/Reid fiasco in Congress and start to make changes with our nation’s future.
The President can only request so much. Nationalized healthcare isn’t something the Executive Branch can Constitutionally deploy upon our nation, it’s up to the Congress to bring that about or defeat problematic attempts to do so. So vote wisely next year and not for the Democrats or RINOs, either.
Lourdes on July 20, 2009 at 12:58 PM
Can you be a tad more specific?
Lourdes on July 20, 2009 at 12:59 PM
Can you write without calling someone else names?
I’m curious just why someone who supports Romney is your enemy.
Lourdes on July 20, 2009 at 1:00 PM
LOL
Lehosh on July 20, 2009 at 1:00 PM
But what you wrote was quite correct. Sarah had it tougher than both Cheney n Bush combined.
promachus on July 20, 2009 at 1:00 PM
Why am I pathetic because I don’t think Palin the most mistreated politician in modern history.
None of our modern politicians had a softball time when it comes to media coverage. I would say that all our presidents from Richard Nixon to even our current POTUS have had some type of smear leveled against them. To pretend this unique to Sarah is ridiculous!
terryannonline on July 20, 2009 at 1:01 PM
Didn’t call you names. Meant what I wrote about terryannonline because I have been observing her behavior for a long time.
promachus on July 20, 2009 at 1:01 PM
I’d vote for Romney over Obama any day, but my preference is Palin.
jimmy2shoes on July 20, 2009 at 1:02 PM
Hilarious.
SO the stimulus was a dramatic failure everywhere……
…except for florida, where it ’saved jobs’
JetBoy = blinded by his ’single issues’ = reason for republican defeat any election, ever (see i can do it too!)
battleoflepanto1571 on July 20, 2009 at 1:02 PM
Yeah, agreed. And focusing on select-candidate victimhood is the wrong prescription to treat the actual problem.
Lourdes on July 20, 2009 at 1:02 PM
So the CIA director saying Cheney wants to see another terror attack is no big deal?
terryannonline on July 20, 2009 at 1:03 PM
IN the first year?
So cheney was ‘darth vader’ in september 2000?
battleoflepanto1571 on July 20, 2009 at 1:03 PM
Well, thank you but you ARE calling a number of other people here names. Which is why I asked you the question as to if you could write your own opinions without calling other people names.
Intolerance of other people in promotion of your favored personality is the Left’s tool, not the one that works best among Republican voters. Which is MY opinion.
Lourdes on July 20, 2009 at 1:04 PM
Thank you!
Yeah I’m sure the press was all rosy with Nixon during Watergate.
terryannonline on July 20, 2009 at 1:05 PM
Except for Romney, of course, who has been so maliciously treated by the media because a journalist asked him hard questions!
BTW, when we Palin supporters note the harsh treatment of Sarah, we don’t say that automatically makes her a good nominee. We go by her record of achievement in office. So, stop being so disingenuous.
promachus on July 20, 2009 at 1:06 PM
I remember those days relatively clearly, especially since I worked among many who were cheering on “the cad, Nixon” or similar pejoratives about him. I voted for Nixon, by the way, my very first experience in voting in my first Presidential Election. But I worked in and among exceptionally Leftwing territory so it was a remarkable media experience to see that unfold.
Lourdes on July 20, 2009 at 1:07 PM
Maybe I’m missing something. I’ve heard this mantra of saving jobs over and over. Why are we not talking of expanding this economy? Our goal shouldn’t just be saving some government jobs in Florida, but actually creating new jobs. Of course, if all we are doing is stealing from our grandchildren to save government jobs, what are we really doing?
jimmy2shoes on July 20, 2009 at 1:07 PM
I was only taking issue with the portrayal that the media loves Romney. It is simply not true.
terryannonline on July 20, 2009 at 1:10 PM
I’m sure it was.
terryannonline on July 20, 2009 at 1:11 PM
But you “Palin supporters” (not all, just this type of one such as “promachus” demonstrates) are like the Democrats in your fervor o’ hatred and spite as to others. If you could only see how you turn people off, instead of gathering consensus. It hurts the GOP.
And I’ll vote for Palin should she be the GOP nominee. I just can’t stand all the hatin’ on Romney, particularly, that some of you among the “Palin supporters” continue to demonstrate.
Romney’s had his share of nastiness to compete with all the rest among the Right, as to candidates. Palin’s had a bad experience to some greater degree because her family members (particularly children) have been raked over, so that smarts to any considerate person. But from what I read that hated on Romney last year, there’s more than enough hatred to go around for GOP candidates, from among Leftwingers and others off in “my candidate or no one” mentality.
Don’t try to bolster Palin by chewing up everyone else, it only turns people off to Palin.
Lourdes on July 20, 2009 at 1:11 PM
Yeah, I agree with you and did earlier. Sorry if I wasn’t more clear about that.
Lourdes on July 20, 2009 at 1:13 PM
Really, Romney has no chance to win the nomination, based on his record in MA, anti-gun, pro-amnesty, and his fawning praise of Obama, the base will utterly reject him.
If you don’t like Palin, best to dump Mitt and find someone else, someone who has some kind of chance.
Rebar on July 20, 2009 at 1:13 PM
Romney isn’t “pro-amnesty” nor is he “anti-gun”.
Lourdes on July 20, 2009 at 1:13 PM
LOL! I block quoted the wrong person. My bad.
terryannonline on July 20, 2009 at 1:14 PM
’scuse me, you’re the one who brought up the alleged bias against Mitt Romneycare.
Look, Mittens lost in 08 not because of bias but because he is widely viewed as an unprincipled phony who will say or do anything–from Romenycare and bailouts, to claiming prolife bona fides–to get elected. Again, big no thank you.
james23 on July 20, 2009 at 1:15 PM
That stuff just makes Palin constituency sound like rootin’-tootin’-mad-dogs. Honestly, if Palin’s the answer, focus on her strengths, convince others of them and stop running down others. It’s needlessly distracting from success.
Lourdes on July 20, 2009 at 1:15 PM
Actually, I think it has very little to do with jealousy. Many women thought Hillary was the absolute best presidential candidate that women had to offer, and she still lost. Then this “usurper” came in, who appeared weak in every area Hillary was strong, and they resent that she could succeed where Hillary failed. Also, every anti-Palin woman I know just *knows* Palin was only picked for being female, just to get their vote, “as if we would automatically pick the woman candidate. They think we are that stupid?”
(Never mind Palin was not picked primarily, or even secondarily, for that reason. She was picked because she was an outsider/reformer/Maverick and because the base loved her as they never did Mac. Pickups among PUMAs were an outside chance at best.)
To get this demo back, Palin has to prove to them that she is in Hillary’s league. It’s a high bar, but Palin’s got lots of potential.
alwaysfiredup on July 20, 2009 at 1:16 PM
You are wrong. I tease Jet Boy sometimes but have enver called him names. Jesting doesn’t count.
Terry and buydanish are the only ones who have felt my heat, so you might want to research a bit more before going off on others.
promachus on July 20, 2009 at 1:18 PM
ExCUSE ME, but *I RESPONDED TO SOMEONE ELSE* who “brought up the alleged bias against…Romneycare.”
I don’t use terms like “Romneycare” anyway and likely won’t be doing so anytime in the future.
Someone else denigrated Romney for “Romneycare” and I responded to that with what I believe are temperate comments placing the “Romneycare” results in the framework from whence they were spawned: a very Leftwing state of Massachusetts among a very Leftwing voting population and state legislature all demanding “healthcare” of a Republican Governor at that time, Romney. It appears a lot of what he accomplished improved upon what was demanded, and some here refuse to see that.
Lourdes on July 20, 2009 at 1:18 PM
You can’t read or someone else is typing at your keyboard.
If you were merely jousting with someone else, I’d be the last person to recognize it, what with those “names” you called not only JetBoy but others here, in comments.
Write what you want, doesn’t mean I or anyone else is going to necessarily find you supportable.
Lourdes on July 20, 2009 at 1:19 PM
Aaiiieeee.
P.S.: you never answered my earlier question as to just what you meant by writing to me, “huh?”.
Lourdes on July 20, 2009 at 1:20 PM
I think most polled tend to be the more Leftwing females who dislike Palin’s Conservative, family-values ideas, beliefs, etc.
And that the emotional arguments are tar pits: can’t ever be resolved, take excessive time to even try to discuss and suggest poor leadership from a President.
I like Palin, as I said earlier but I do expect less of the personality issues from campaigners and more calm reassurance as to a candidate’s abilities to do an exceptional job.
Which doesn’t explain why Obama got votes, I recognize, but I think we’ve all met and know individuals who are mostly vanity voters and they find vanity greatly appealing from men. From women, women hate it but from men, they find it “attractive” all too often as do also other men.
Lourdes on July 20, 2009 at 1:24 PM
I wonder if Palin intimidates some women. I mean, how many women hunt, fish and prepare the game … have a five kids, a husband who does everything, and is a successful politician? I do think jealousy has something to do with it, albeit subconsciously. I doubt you’ll find many women jealous of Hillary. Not to demean Clinton, but Palin has her beat in every category.
darwin on July 20, 2009 at 1:26 PM
The very simple reason why I don’t support Palin right now is: I don’t think she is ready. It is nothing more than that. That is all. I think she is great but not ready for prime time.
terryannonline on July 20, 2009 at 1:26 PM
Rush Limbaugh:”They (the media) are telling us who our strongest candidate is by who they’re trying to destroy.”
jimmy2shoes on July 20, 2009 at 1:30 PM
Are you open to her proving to you that she is ready by 2011?
alwaysfiredup on July 20, 2009 at 1:31 PM
Not liking Romney doesn’t make me a Palin supporter. I lived in MA while he was Governor, so he has given me plenty of reasons divorced from Palin to dislike him.
Amnesty:
http://www.alipac.us/article-print-1737.html
Gun control:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22273924/page/4/
Romney will not, cannot, energize the base, and will not win the nomination.
Rebar on July 20, 2009 at 1:32 PM
I’m always open.
terryannonline on July 20, 2009 at 1:36 PM
She definitely needs to expand her knowledge base. She has more experience right now in dealing with a hostile media than anyone out there. We can talk about Palin until the cows come home I suppose. We’ll just have to wait and see what she does. Every indication is after 26 July the muzzle and gloves are coming off. If she has national office aspirations she’ll temper her speech, if not … get ready for some fireworks.
darwin on July 20, 2009 at 1:40 PM
Agreed. Palin might not run in 2012, but regardless; Romney or Huckabee are not viable options.
Norwegian on July 20, 2009 at 1:41 PM
But what about executive experience? She messed up resigning from the her office.
terryannonline on July 20, 2009 at 1:47 PM
lol Most executives have no experience at all in resigning office, so at least Palin has some experience in that area and now knows what not to do.
More seriously, she did a pretty good job in the first three legislative terms. Certainly better than her predecessor. IMO it’s really not a huge deal that she’s skipping out on the last one, and her polling data seems to show most people agree.
alwaysfiredup on July 20, 2009 at 1:52 PM
How?
By saving the Alaskan Tax payers millions due to ignorant and redundant liberal ethics complainers?
Or should she stayed in, and costed the Alaskan tax payers (who are extremly ticked off about the ethics complaints) a few more million(s)?
Sarah has done everything she promised to Alaska in the first year and a half in office. She is fine to go in my book and soon-to-be Gov. Parnell is a great replacement for her.
upinak on July 20, 2009 at 1:53 PM
Palin has more executive experience than McCain and he was our front runner. Obama has none … neither does Biden. Clinton had it, Bush had it, Reagan had it. They were all governors.
I think her move to resign was brilliant. She could do no more for Alaska. She had already completed her agenda and what she promised the people of Alaska. She would continue to sit in office only as a figurehead and target, unable to respond to the media and unable to speak her message.
What Palin did in Alaska shows a natural executive talent and her resigning amplifies that fact. It was a good move.
darwin on July 20, 2009 at 1:53 PM
Speaking of her resignation:
IF she runs in 2012, and she is asked a questions such as “You resigned mid-term as governor. Will you resign mid-term as President as well?”
what do you guys think of this as a rebuttal:
“If it is ever in the best interests of the USA that I resign, you’re damn right I’ll resign!”
Seems like that’s a winner and nips it in the bud pretty well.
BPD on July 20, 2009 at 1:58 PM
Love this part of the poll:
Those who say economic and fiscal issues are their biggest concerns make up the majority of Republican voters, and Romney runs best among those voters if the 2012 GOP Presidential Primary in their state was held today. Palin is the top choice for those Republicans who put national security first and ties Romney for first among voters who list economic issues alone as the priority.
yogi41 on July 20, 2009 at 2:00 PM
Palin at 42? Pretty good for a “dumb” woman whose career is over. Just think how well she’d be polling if she were as clever as Peggy Noonan, Kathleen Parker, Maureen Dowd, and all the rest of the Ima Frump columnists.
NebCon on July 20, 2009 at 2:00 PM
I wouldn’t open the door. Leftists will immediately come out of the woodwork with made up reasons why resigning would be good for the country.
darwin on July 20, 2009 at 2:01 PM
Just wait till our gal Sarah is out there on the stump for a year blasting big O and see what these polls show then. They’ll ask Romney who?
Herb on July 20, 2009 at 2:02 PM
Be careful! By posting those poll numbers, you’re beginning to sound awfully elitist!
\removes tongue from cheek
Jewels on July 20, 2009 at 2:02 PM
I can’t see her using the word “damn” for some reason.
Count to 10 on July 20, 2009 at 2:03 PM
Good stuff. The election is still 3 years away, I’m surprised Palin is up that high. I’m pulling for Palin, but I would support just about anyone over Bambi.
El_Terrible on July 20, 2009 at 2:07 PM
For that matter, its also quite shocking that Romney is even with him. It shows that people are going sour on Bambi…
“We are the ones we’ve been waiting for”
El_Terrible on July 20, 2009 at 2:08 PM
What happens if Obama’s numbers are SO low in 2012 that some Democrat challenges him in the primary?
joe_doufu on July 20, 2009 at 2:18 PM
A la Kennedy/Carter in 1980, the challenger will fail and the Dems will go divided and broken into the general election and lose handily to the GOP candidate. My bet is that is Palin’s best case scenario.
Unless the challenger is Hillary and wins, and then it’s her worst-case scenario.
alwaysfiredup on July 20, 2009 at 2:36 PM
I would like to believe that Ras polling is accurate but they are so far off from other polls that it is very difficult to do so. Romney and Obama in a tie? With Obama having dropped in approval ratings in just several weeks as much as he has (Ras, last I checked actually has him in negative territory, not a whole lot but a fair amount, one would expect to see Romney well ahead in another several weeks, at least at that rate. I don’t think that any other polls are showing this and I don’t expect them to.
Joe Bloggs on July 20, 2009 at 3:43 PM