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You didn’t mention Sarah Palin.
Sarah Palin has an obvious role if she wants it. The question for her has to be, are she and her family willing to go through another couple of years of the kind of media coverage that they currently get? Is she willing to do the kind of development of national issues and development of a national profile that would be required? She is a celebrity in her own right. She is probably the most successful figure in the party right now, and she’s a formidable figure. I think to go from there to becoming a national leader would take a significant amount of work.
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blatantblue on April 19, 2009 at 9:43 AM
what about the national coverage his family life would attract?
joey24007 on April 19, 2009 at 9:45 AM
It’s true. I do feel for her family; however, I’m not so sure how much worse it can get by individuals saying that Trig is Bristol’s baby and Sarah lied about her pregnancy….how can it get any worse, really?
deidre on April 19, 2009 at 9:48 AM
Oy. Why do I get the feeling the Republican primary is going 2 be between Romney, Palin, and Gringich?
terryannonline on April 19, 2009 at 9:48 AM
Add Huckaby to that. Simply put, his sons are slobs, and wouldn’t be protected from the MSM lacking the (D) shield.
Marcus on April 19, 2009 at 9:50 AM
And his sister, don’t forget her. She would come out as golden.
deidre on April 19, 2009 at 9:51 AM
Considering the collective ass probing the Palin family is getting even now, it’s hard for me to fathom how a presidential campaign could be much worse.
I think she’s going to run, or at least wants to at this point. Hard to say how it will come out in the wash by the time primaries roll around.
gryphon202 on April 19, 2009 at 9:51 AM
Newt is so obvious. Most politicians have huge ego’s, but Newt’s is massive and all consuming. I’m not surprised that he’s decided to start chipping away at Palin’s popularity. Unfortunately he will be invited to all the MSM shows and while earnestly reflecting on her popularity, he’ll be planting the seed of her un-electability.
anniekc on April 19, 2009 at 9:51 AM
I can’t imagine the position she’s in. Hated by the left for being the anti-thesis of everything they stand for ideologically. And with the wonderful addition of not swooning over the one like other R’s. She exposed the tremendous sexism out there (which, frankly surprised me – I expect the left to be hypocritical, but wow). When you combine those three things, those are tremendous invitations not to run.
But Bus was called H1tler, for crying out loud, and he just let it roll off, so there is precedent. I think also, she might like to run to set the record straight.
Regardless of it she runs again, I am happy to know that Americans like her still exist. People who still rise up out of the community and serve locally, still purge corruption, etc. She’s an inspirational figure.
Spirit of 1776 on April 19, 2009 at 9:53 AM
They’ll just dig up more disgruntled Alaskans that make stuff up, and it’ll all be above the fold, instead of under. People love to hate Sarh Palin and the MSM loves to give them what they want. It’s a sick relationship.
anniekc on April 19, 2009 at 9:55 AM
I really don’t see a problem with this quote. I think he says it to make her aware she will have no down time. No one thought Obama wold go this bad this fast. If he doesn’t do something to moderate things soon he will be a one term President for sure. What Newt means is the campaign for 2012 has already begun. Is she ready to do this for 4 years?
Rocks on April 19, 2009 at 9:55 AM
Maybe I’m crazy, but Palin doesn’t strike me as one who actually gives a shi’ite what the left says about her. Perhaps it bothers her sometimes, but she strikes me as someone who says, whateva man, and lets it roll off her shoulder.
She seems pretty tough.
blatantblue on April 19, 2009 at 9:55 AM
Is Newt trying to discourage the competition?
Um, yes…
ZJPolitical on April 19, 2009 at 9:56 AM
Oh I meant to add, while she’s hated by the left, she is also hated by parts of the right (this one boggles my mind, but it is true nevertheless). That is something Bush didn’t have to deal with as much.
It is one thing to fight your enemies, but when your friends attack you, it does tend to take one’s stomach out of a fight.
Spirit of 1776 on April 19, 2009 at 9:56 AM
The MSM has given her their worst. They even sacrificed their future profit and existence in that. They cant do more damage.
I think she and her family wants the revenge.
the_nile on April 19, 2009 at 9:57 AM
No there is nothing wrong with the quote. It is just funny coming from someone who the media is speculating will run in 2012, that’s all.
terryannonline on April 19, 2009 at 9:58 AM
the beltway types did not approve of Reagan much either, they were behind HW Bush (Romney today)
joey24007 on April 19, 2009 at 9:59 AM
I agree, she’s tough. And I agree she’s let it roll off mostly.
I’m interested to see what her response is, actually. I don’t think she is happy with what has happened since the election – meaning she gives the presentation of an exceptional politician, who in the local and state level had the ability to get things done by coordinating efforts across both sides of the aisle. I really like this about her, actually.
But post-election she has been seen there even as a much more polarizing figure. That has taken away one of her greatest attributes. So it remains to be seen how much she enjoys political life now.
Spirit of 1776 on April 19, 2009 at 9:59 AM
I am curious: How will u all react if Palin does run in 2012 and she had fellow Republicans hitting her hard so they can get the nomination?
terryannonline on April 19, 2009 at 10:00 AM
Message from MSM to conservatives:
If you attempt to seek office as a republican or independent conservative on the national stage we will destroy you and your family to the best of our ability.
Message from MSM to socialists:
If you attempt to seek office as a democrat or independent socialist on the national stage we will promote you and your family to the best of our ability.
Beto Ochoa on April 19, 2009 at 10:00 AM
I’m with deidre. What’s left to denigrate? Americans seem to love the husband. The son is serving in the military–admittedly suspect in Janet Napolitano’s eyes. The oldest daughter is raising her child. Levi seems to have had his 15 minutes of fame. Trig will be oblivious to it all, all the while beloved by all. There’s a middle daughter who really gets little notice, but I suspect that she’s seen enough of the media circus surrounding her older sister and Levi that she probably has more media savvy than anyone her age. And Piper? I think she has a better stage presense than her mom.
Palin just needs to do some homework. She’s already forgotten more than any Democrat knows about energy and its implications on foreign affairs. With Obama cutting back on missle defense and her state’s role in that aspect of national defense, she’ll be familiar with that by necessity.
What’s the problem, Newt?
BuckeyeSam on April 19, 2009 at 10:01 AM
Yeah, that’s true. Though I think it was a different kind of opposition, I certainly acknowledge that.
Spirit of 1776 on April 19, 2009 at 10:01 AM
Yeah, I can see that but Newt has been at this forever and has been a mentor. I don’t think he is going to stop giving his opinion or advice any time soon.
Rocks on April 19, 2009 at 10:02 AM
Good point, there. They might have shot their last bullet to get O in office. Of course, they might have renewed circulation with nationalization.
Spirit of 1776 on April 19, 2009 at 10:03 AM
Do you think doing speeches and stuff that keeps her in the public eye is a good idea? I don’t know. I’m just wondering if she should just do her duties in Alaska, stay quiet on the publicity front, and come back for 2012.
What do you think is a prudent course of action for her?
blatantblue on April 19, 2009 at 10:04 AM
Disagree. I think it’s a “history repeats itself” kind of thing. We even have our Carter in the White House. The stage is set.
ZJPolitical on April 19, 2009 at 10:05 AM
And this kind of meandering by Captain Obvious is one reason why the party is divided and all we have are Rinos in the senate.
Where were YOU when WE needed YOU??? Don’t worry about Gingrich running, last time he said he would run if someone would give him 30 million dollars in 48 hours…or some crazy chit like that.
DanaSmiles on April 19, 2009 at 10:07 AM
You mean you disagree that the opposition was different? I’m willing to be convinced, I just want to understand you clearly.
I think that depends entirely on what she wants from her life. My personal desire is that she continue to make speeches like she did the other day in Indiana. What she said there, I thought, was a moving and powerful message, and her message, imo, is more important then her personal career. I want her in the public eye because she means something to the base. But that doesn’t mean she needs to be out attacking O or anything. But speaking on energy, defense, life, I’m all for it.
Spirit of 1776 on April 19, 2009 at 10:09 AM
I have always sort of liked Newt but he shouldn’t run. It’s shallow I know but I don’t see people voting for President Newt anymore than they did for a President Fritz.
Rocks on April 19, 2009 at 10:11 AM
If Palin said that , it wouldn’t be crazy.
the_nile on April 19, 2009 at 10:11 AM
IMO, Sarah started on this project three months ago. However, she doesn’t need to decide until June 2011 or so. She won’t run if she thinks it will hurt the party and she already has seen what can happen to the front-runner (zero vs billary) so she’s probably prepared to be in either position. Shrillary got SOS out of it and Sarah would be young enough to run again from that position. If she really wants it.
So just get with the program and make sure that you can put the breaks on zero with the 2010 elections.
gh on April 19, 2009 at 10:13 AM
Yea, I see.
I think she’s better off not engaging Prince Obama, unless its a really huge thing. I hope she just talks about what she believes in.
blatantblue on April 19, 2009 at 10:13 AM
fsck
gh on April 19, 2009 at 10:14 AM
Tell Newt to watch her speech to nite on CSPAN at 6:30 PM.
Also Newt hate to tell you but Gov. Palin has more in common with those at the tea parties than you do. Oh by the way here is a link that tells me Gov. Palin ain’t going anywhere any time soon.
http://www.courierpress.com/news/2009/apr/19/banquet-displayed-palin-hold-on-right/
Clyde5445 on April 19, 2009 at 10:16 AM
Apparently Newt thinks he has no more dirt to be dug up? Or he’s willing to endure a rehash of all the prior stuff. Proof that it isn’t just women who get petty due to jealousy.
katiejane on April 19, 2009 at 10:16 AM
I would make the blanket statement that most of those at the tea parties were Palin/Ron Paul supporters. or at least those open to their message. those against corruption, big government, elites, high taxes, massive spending etc. I personally think out of the two Palin is the better choice to be the standard bearer of that group. If Palin can bring the Ron Paul supports along with the pro-lifers and the fiscal conservative together. And ease the fears of the neo-cons on national security she has the nomination locked up.
She has the fiscal conservative bonafides
unseen on April 19, 2009 at 10:16 AM
That would have saved me a lot of typing if you’d been a bit quicker to post.
gh on April 19, 2009 at 10:17 AM
Farmer62 on April 19, 2009 at 10:20 AM
Secretly, the Republican “leadership” and good old boys detest Palin. She doesn’t play by their rules and actually sticks to her principles.
Even though they may praise her in public, you can easily read between the lines and feel the disdain they have for her.
She threatens them.
darwin on April 19, 2009 at 10:20 AM
Farmer62 on April 19, 2009 at 10:20 AM
Seems to me his Newtness is trying to scare Palin off. Could it be that he sees her a major hurdle to his up coming bid for nomination?
Both are already damaged goods but Newt is more so in my estimation.
oldernwiser on April 19, 2009 at 10:20 AM
It’s better this way, so we can hit bb’s 233:)
Spirit of 1776 on April 19, 2009 at 10:23 AM
That’s true. I don’t know what word fits though.
Spirit of 1776 on April 19, 2009 at 10:25 AM
“You say there is scrutiny in presidential campaigns”
Barack Obama
MTZinIL on April 19, 2009 at 10:25 AM
Newt,
Kay Bailey Hutchison and Laura Lingle?
really?
joey24007 on April 19, 2009 at 10:25 AM
You can tell that Palin is a God-fearing woman. She cares more about what God thinks of her than what about people do; and that is a great attribute to have
.
deidre on April 19, 2009 at 10:30 AM
I used to think that names were important when we selected a president…so, Newt was not someone I considered in ‘08. I mean, c’mon, it’s a salamander-type animal.
Then, we elected Barack Hussein Obama. It mattered little that he had the same name as 1) the guy who mass murdered his own people and 2) sounded quite a bit like the other guy who killed thousands of our own.
About Palin:
I’ve said this before, I think she should probably focus on her real career as a mommy. I have no real conflict here, as a conservative. If I were a liberal feminist, I would be a super hypocrite, naturally. However, I happen to believe that when we have young kids, if at all possible, there is only one mommy/nurturer for that small window of time. She doesn’t have the typical 2.5 kids, either. Even though only two are still quite young, one is a high-needs infant and her eldest has had her own infant out of wedlock. It’s evident she has some family issues to deal with.
Do I think women shouldn’t be president? Absolutely not. But, I do think that God gives us roles for different seasons. I would respect her WORLDS more if she kept her job, perhaps, as governor…and worked at mommy hood. Women are coming out of the wood work saying that it is IMPOSSIBLE to do both well. It’s a myth. I’d like to see her bow out and raise those babies, then come back after they are older and rock it!
Flame away!
Mommypundit on April 19, 2009 at 10:32 AM
I really do like Newt but he is a politician. I am through with politicians and incumbants. Sarah all the way. Why would anyone not want a normal human being to represent them?
MTZinIL on April 19, 2009 at 10:32 AM
I have thought about this too (Gingrich never seemed real presidential either), but then I never would have thought someone with the name Hussein would be in the White House either.
XWing5 on April 19, 2009 at 10:35 AM
Beat me to it
XWing5 on April 19, 2009 at 10:36 AM
I haven’t bothered to read the article. I hear that Newt is a smart guy but he’s a lousy choice for a presidential candidate and he’s getting a bit old. So, I presume he’s not going to take a serious shot at it and his statement on Palin is neutral. Palin has a long future ahead of her. Doesn’t mean she ever has to be president but she’ll take it if the opportunity arises.
Frum’s head will explode.
gh on April 19, 2009 at 10:37 AM
Hey Newt Gov. Palin has seen enough of O too know what he is all about. She is the only one who saw what was coming. While the rest of the DC elites were playing pat cake with O Gov. Palin told him to veto porkulas. There will be a calling and as of right now none of the DC elites are answering the call. Gov. Palin will answer the call when the time comes and for the rest stand in her way at your own peril.
Clyde5445 on April 19, 2009 at 10:38 AM
Rofl. What do you think Palin is, if not a politician. Just be glad she’s not also a lawyer.
gh on April 19, 2009 at 10:38 AM
I think Palin knows by now the “scrutiny” she’ll receive. Amongst the other things. Palin is far from my first choice for a candidate…but unlike some, if she DOES get the nod, I will fully support her and nary breathe a word of disdain during her campaign.
See how that works?
JetBoy on April 19, 2009 at 10:40 AM
I think she is the governor of a state. There can be a difference and between that and a politician.
MTZinIL on April 19, 2009 at 10:41 AM
I like Newt ok, but to me he had a GOLDEN opportunity with his Contract with America and despite all the good that came with it, he became a bit of a joke later. He has a past that doesn’t necessarily bode well for a presidential run. Palin has been put through the ringer and will likely continue to be put through the ringer, but I can’t help but think that she has a real shot. Maybe I am just an incurable optimist when it comes to her. But it is funny how it seems that this strong-willed woman way up there in Alaska has all those beltway Republicans worried.
XWing5 on April 19, 2009 at 10:42 AM
I’m really liking John Boehner as a potential GOP candidate these days.
JetBoy on April 19, 2009 at 10:43 AM
She does have that bumper sticker with Piper’s name on it.
gh on April 19, 2009 at 10:44 AM
There is also a difference between a politician and a statesman.
Spirit of 1776 on April 19, 2009 at 10:44 AM
Really? So how many state governors are appointed (like here in Canada) and how many have to run for office? Perhaps my knowledge of Usnanian civics is faulty.
gh on April 19, 2009 at 10:45 AM
Gov. Palin is the true reformer and that’s what scares the DC elites more than anything. A true reformer is what the counry needs right now.
Clyde5445 on April 19, 2009 at 10:45 AM
gh— Here in america all governors are elected.
Clyde5445 on April 19, 2009 at 10:48 AM
fify … words are important
gh on April 19, 2009 at 10:49 AM
I know
gh on April 19, 2009 at 10:49 AM
my mistake
Clyde5445 on April 19, 2009 at 10:50 AM
Sarah Palin is so pretty.
Just felt like putting that out there. Sometimes I just step back and am like, “wow.” Appreciating it like new sometimes.
blatantblue on April 19, 2009 at 10:52 AM
I can only speak for my opinion and could not speak for another. I would trust Gov Palin over any presently elected candidate in any capacity in the US. I cannot speak for Canada.
Could there be others? I am sure there are. I have not heard of them yet.
MTZinIL on April 19, 2009 at 10:52 AM
Jindal. Sanford?
gh on April 19, 2009 at 10:53 AM
George Bush has blue blood. So do Mitt Romney and Mark Sanford.
BTW, if you want to taste the creepy lengths establishment hucksters are going out to get her, read this story. It’s filed by a journo but I’m betting he’d be like to be a part of the blue blood retinue.
promachus on April 19, 2009 at 10:53 AM
<blockquoteSarah Palin is so pretty.
Just felt like putting that out there. Sometimes I just step back and am like, “wow.” Appreciating it like new sometimes.
blatantblue on April 19, 2009 at 10:52 AM
You’re in a good mood today. The other day, you didn’t like her that much.
promachus on April 19, 2009 at 10:56 AM
I find it amusing that I see Newt on TV as much as we used to see John McCain. Who is the new Media republican Lap dog?
Newt’s King making days are LONG over. He is good at pointing out the obvious though.
portlandon on April 19, 2009 at 10:56 AM
I am sure they are good people, better than most. But as I said, I trust her over anyone else. If it were my choice it would be her. I am sure there are problems with Palin as she would have to overcome the media, which is unlikely. But do you think they will embrace Jinal or Sanford?
MTZinIL on April 19, 2009 at 11:00 AM
What a joke article.
ZJPolitical on April 19, 2009 at 11:00 AM
Thanks for the link.
I’ve seen this reaction in more then one place. I think (just my opinion) that she generates this feeling because she expresses what a certain section of the base feel. With most of our officials, there is a tacit understanding that they are simply telling us what we want to hear, but she doesn’t feed that stereotype.
She gives the appearance of speaking from the heart. I don’t think that some understand that a dismiss it as a personalty cult, etc. But I think that is projection of one’s own cynicism.
I don’t think she is perfect, but she reminds me in a lot of ways of Tancredo, in that she will say whatever she believes. It’s a political rarity. It just happens that what she believes resonates with mid-America.
Spirit of 1776 on April 19, 2009 at 11:02 AM
He purposly dissed Palin. Note the questions and answers prior to the one listed at the top of the thread.
The interviewer specifically mentions Sarah, his response,
Then this,
His answer,
Newt does not like her and is doing his best to take the shine off. This is getting pretty obvious.
conservnut on April 19, 2009 at 11:03 AM
Yeah, I can see that but Newt has been at this forever and has been a
mentormanipulator. I don’t think he is going to stop giving his opinion or advice any time soon.Rocks on April 19, 2009 at 10:02 AM
FIFY
oldernwiser on April 19, 2009 at 11:07 AM
Jindal would be acceptable to both Frum and Rush. The left is already attacking him. Jindal looks like a far more serious* candidate than Palin so he won’t go in 2012 if he’s not ready and he can afford to wait until 2020 if Sarah steps up.
I’ve only heard good things about Sanford apart from the usual scuttlebut.
* By ’serious’, I just mean that he’s more careful. I think he turned McCain down for the VP slot.
gh on April 19, 2009 at 11:08 AM
Absolutley NO ONE else saw what was coming?
Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.
BallisticBob on April 19, 2009 at 11:08 AM
Newt has never been one to close any doors and never does/says anything politically without motive.
oldernwiser on April 19, 2009 at 11:10 AM
Nah. He has the same perspective as David Frum but better credentials. They’re both academically inclined but Newt has a PhD. Frum is a bit too earnest. Newt just doesn’t understand that Sarah and the Tea Parties are the same kind of phenomena.
gh on April 19, 2009 at 11:12 AM
Did you guys get that Chad Pegram went and stayed in the hotel she checked into the day before she was announced as VP? I mean how creepy is that. And he bashes for staying in a cheap hotel, not a five star hotel. Creepy.
promachus on April 19, 2009 at 11:13 AM
While I respect the opinion of Rush, I don’t vote for whom he admires. If Jindal does not run in 2012 is is because he does not think that he can defeat an incumbant president. It that is his only reason, he is a politican. Just my humble opinion.
MTZinIL on April 19, 2009 at 11:15 AM
Dunno. I’ve heard he’s smart enough to know his own limitations. Perhaps not.
gh on April 19, 2009 at 11:15 AM
I have limited knowledge as to his background, but I have gained a new respect for him this past year.
Yikes. I haven’t read the link yet (the kids are killing me this morning) but you seem to have nailed it. Why are they trying to eat their own?
XWing5 on April 19, 2009 at 11:16 AM
Exactly. So is Sarah.
gh on April 19, 2009 at 11:17 AM
Yeah, it’s a bit weird.
Word.
Spirit of 1776 on April 19, 2009 at 11:17 AM
Who is Chad Pegram?
gh on April 19, 2009 at 11:19 AM
Well….been a long night on the night shift. Must get some sleep. Be will all.
MTZinIL on April 19, 2009 at 11:19 AM
Dude, you are dancing around MTZ’s point, but playing with semantics.
There are politicians by name, politicians by career, and politicians by style. She came up against her party, so it’s absurd to simply clump her with other “politicians” simply because she holds elected office.
Yes, you win a semantic game because she has sought elective office, but you miss the entire point of MTZ.
Spirit of 1776 on April 19, 2009 at 11:20 AM
I like both these guys. I was fuming the other day, though, when someone was like, “ZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzz. They have no charisma.” NOTHING will make me go more insane than hearing that in light of the past election and what “charisma” bought the public. With trillions in debt and more coming, along with amnesty, cap/trade and liberal social engineering…oh my gosh…give me someone BORING and principled as I can get. PLEASE.
I don’t think I am alone in this. When will the grown ups take over again?
Mommypundit on April 19, 2009 at 11:20 AM
but playing = by playing
Spirit of 1776 on April 19, 2009 at 11:20 AM
I think lifelong political creatures on both sides of the isle see her as a threat. One of their biggest fears is of a wildcard with big popular support from the people climbing past them in a hurry. Her lack of a record on how well she will “play ball” in the normal business of politics is scary to them.
conservnut on April 19, 2009 at 11:22 AM
What I don’t understand is why social conservatives who normally rally against radical feminism aren’t a bit concerned about her young babies? perhaps we do not really take motherhood as seriously as we say. I think raising her kids and supporting her eldest is MUCH MORE IMPORTANT than being president.
Who is with me?
sigh.
Mommypundit on April 19, 2009 at 11:22 AM
Nope. Sarah has been a politician for almost 20 years. Jindal has a similar career but is younger. You want a politician in 2012 and a damn good one considering the competition.
gh on April 19, 2009 at 11:22 AM
Gingrich is such a phony. That question is for Gov. Palin to discuss with her family — not for the wannabee to put out in a cheap attempt to kneecap her.
Gingrich just can’t stand being out of power and he will sink to any level if he thinks it will help him regain it.
To me he and Chub Chub are the same — don’t their advice; don’t need their advice.
Blake on April 19, 2009 at 11:24 AM
You prove my point. You played a semantic game with what another commenter was offering about their perspective simply to try to reinforce your own point. “You want a politician in 2012″
Spirit of 1776 on April 19, 2009 at 11:25 AM
Much to Allahpundit’s chagrin, Gov. Perry is also being seriously considered.
Blake on April 19, 2009 at 11:25 AM
Sorry I usually applaud your posts. Here though I have to disagree with your unwritten supposition that she can’t both raise children and hold an executive position.
oldernwiser on April 19, 2009 at 11:26 AM
For example, Reagan had a career before politics.
gh on April 19, 2009 at 11:27 AM
It’s a future concern, imo. Right now the office she holds right now seems to be a non-conflict. I mean, shoot she rocked the baby crib with her foot under her desk.
So I’m not worked up about what she may do in the future and whether or not I should be concerned then. I mean, in 2 years Bristol will be 20 or so, if she doesn’t run till ‘16, she’ll be 24. I mean, one bridge at a time. That’s all. Your point is noted, but I’m not concerned with it yet.
Spirit of 1776 on April 19, 2009 at 11:27 AM
I don’t think so.
gh on April 19, 2009 at 11:28 AM
Perry is unelectable. While I like him as my Governor for the most part he is still a RINO. But what will kill him is a DWI stop he had while he was Bush’s lieutenant governor. He is recorded on dashcam asking the officer “DO YOU KNOW WHO I AM?” That will be on every channel.
conservnut on April 19, 2009 at 11:30 AM
In an ideal world, it is better for a mother to dedicate herself to her children for the first few years and for Trig that’s a bit longer than usual. She seems to be able to handle being Governor of Alaska but President is big step up. I trust her not to run if she thinks it will be a problem.
gh on April 19, 2009 at 11:31 AM
It seems everyone wanting to run against Sarah holds her and not John McCain responcible for the last election.
She wasnt the presidentual candidate he was.
William Amos on April 19, 2009 at 11:34 AM
Exactly.
gh on April 19, 2009 at 11:35 AM
Ah, nah. It’s not that I don’t like Sarah Palin. I really do like her, and I think she’s great for our movement/party, etc.
I just, I don’t want her to be another typical politician of the GOP. When she talks about Alaskans experiencing “global warming,” (and yes, I know she said she isnt necessarily in agreement with the idea of man actually causing it) while the earth is actually cooling, and when there is not much to be found on her immigration stance, I worry.
But the border issue takes so much more precedence over any qualm I have with her on global warming (cause I’m rather assured she wouldn’t pursue any ridikaluz goverment initiatives on it).
the border is one of the biggest problems facing this country today. MS-13 is growing, any ol’ dude boy jihadi can walk right through our border, our people are being killed by illegal aliens driving drunk. our prisons our filled with illegals, our edu/healthcare systems are being burdened to the brink of collapse, and I don’t know what Sarah Palin is going to do about it.
We should know! She should make it clear, and I hope she does.
But again, I really do like her, I have great expectations for her, and I think that if makes the right moves she will be formidable in 2012.
blatantblue on April 19, 2009 at 11:38 AM
I agree in principle but, we are not in a ideal world (and daily get further from one since Jan 20th). I also would trust her not to run if she thinks it will be a problem.
These sentiments though diverge from the point.
oldernwiser on April 19, 2009 at 11:38 AM
I understand your concern as well Mommypundit. I don’t think I could do it with my two little ones, but I certainly don’t begin to try to second-guess Gov. Palin’s choice of career and parenting. Todd seems to be able to act in the parenting role and maybe the partnership parenting is working really well for them. So I think that, if she thinks she and the family can handle it, then good for them and good for us!
XWing5 on April 19, 2009 at 11:42 AM
In theory, I think it could happen. In reality, can it? And, if she could, would that be the best for the kids? I am not saying I wouldn’t vote for her if she got the nod. We’ll see how it goes! There is just a lot of drama around her and her kids…not her fault…but it is what it is. Motherhood takes a lot of effort. In my case, it takes singular effort…and not one person can do it better than I can. Soon, they will be older and I will not be in this place. Perhaps I will run for office one day! haha
Mommypundit on April 19, 2009 at 11:42 AM
That is where I will land if she gets the nomination. Absolutely. I don’t think this is a non negotiable…it’s just something I think about.
Mommypundit on April 19, 2009 at 11:43 AM
I was talking about the DC elites. I know a lot of the ordinary voter did see this coming. Gov. Palin is the only one in power to see this coming. And before you get snippy again Gov. Palin does wheel some power.
Clyde5445 on April 19, 2009 at 11:43 AM
I was agreeing with you.
What I meant by ideal world was in a philosophical sense and aimed at Mommypundit. Sarah and Todd seem to have managed to strike a difficult balance. A single mom would not be able to do that.
gh on April 19, 2009 at 11:45 AM
Allow me to modify that by observing that the entire Republican party was running to regain some of their lost power.
We all know that they failed miserably,that the entire apparatus is defective and must be overhauled
oldernwiser on April 19, 2009 at 11:46 AM
Sarah and Todd have a 20 year track-record.
gh on April 19, 2009 at 11:46 AM
Newt Gringrich is a worm. I’ve never liked the guy and I’ve never really trusted him. I think he’s an opportunist and I think he’s all over the map politically. His position on the original TARP was embarrassing. And his little stint on the couch of global warming with Nancy Pelosi was equally embarrassing. I give him props for the Contract with America but not much else. Running him in 2012 would be as disasterous as running McCain was in 2008. As for his Sarah Palin dig–I find it petty on his part–especially considering how gracious she was when the NRCC ousted her in favor of him for keynote speaker at their upcoming fundraiser. Stay classy, Newt.
Redneck Woman on April 19, 2009 at 11:47 AM
I’d vote for Satan before Newt.
no sarc here, the guy is a bloated egotistical tool.
I wish him ill.
omnipotent on April 19, 2009 at 11:48 AM
Men are assumed to be able to be fathers and executives. Why then can’t we assume the same for women?
oldernwiser AKA devil’s advocate
oldernwiser on April 19, 2009 at 11:50 AM
Didn’t we just do that?
XWing5 on April 19, 2009 at 11:52 AM
I am in complete agreement with you, one of the reasons for the fall of the GOP is the direction that Newt took them. His stance on a range of issues has put him out of touch with the base and he just needs to go away.
conservnut on April 19, 2009 at 11:52 AM
I guess I missed the memo directing socially conservative women to report to the barefoot & pregnant kitchen and telling us to leave the governing to the men. Or GASP! am I a feminist?
katiejane on April 19, 2009 at 11:53 AM
So you were pissed off with issues and took it out on her. Happens all the time.
I don’t think she’ll reveal what she thinks about immigration and even then, I don’t think she’ll be very tough on it. She might be persuaded to be tough on border security and I think we should start working on her and try and persuade her. Just remember she is the most electable conservative candidate we are likely going to get in 2012.
promachus on April 19, 2009 at 11:53 AM
I dont think Newt is looking to run for president else he wouldnt attack the base’s favorite right now.
I think Newt is aiming to be Mitt’s vp pick by attacking Sarah openly what Mitt is too cautious to do.
William Amos on April 19, 2009 at 11:54 AM
DC elites?
Like who?
McCain, Romney, Gingrich, Thompson and many others ALL saw what Obama was about, not just Palin.
BallisticBob on April 19, 2009 at 11:56 AM
LOL, well I tend to think I’m easier on her than most! I don’t call her any names!
blatantblue on April 19, 2009 at 11:56 AM
Palin represents loss of power within the higher-ups of both parties; this is why both parties and the MSM keep attacking her.
She represents the people taking back their power and neither party wants to see that occur. They know that if she gets in the White House, she will seek to reduce its size and scope of power.
Heck, by just campaigning, they realize she will urge the electorate to take back their power. She puts her trust in the people over the politicians in Washington and the D.C. power base cannot afford to have its power and control neutered by Palin.
yogi41 on April 19, 2009 at 11:57 AM
I’m having a hard time with this point. I know there have been two “men” who’ve been pregnant but what you’re describing here requires grafting parts on rather than removing them and it seems a little more difficult.
gh on April 19, 2009 at 11:59 AM
oldernwiser on April 19, 2009 at 12:00 PM
I dont get some male conservatives. You’d think that with a party that has Michelle Malkin, Ann Coulter, And Laura Ingraham that they’d have better sense then to try and trash a conservative female.
Seems people like Newt think Kay Bailey Hutchensen and Elizatbeth Dole are true conservatives. Ugh.
William Amos on April 19, 2009 at 12:01 PM
Romney’s not DC. But Thompson deserves cred. I don’t think McCain does, he blunted all the blows.
But the point offered does have some merit – consider McCain’s campaign adviser jumping ship in the general; Romney’s adviser laughing contorting himself to claim Obama had pro-life cred. Add Buckley (at NR at the time, so a big deal), Brooks, etc, you have a weighty collection of people on the right that painted him to be something he is not.
Thompson was a nice voice, Romney too, and Newt sold some “real change” books.
Spirit of 1776 on April 19, 2009 at 12:01 PM
Mommypundit on April 19, 2009 at 11:22 AM
For now, she seems to be in a position where she has the time to be involved in her children’s lives. If she were a single mom, I’d be concerned, but from everything I’ve read and seen, Todd is a huge presence in these kids’ lives and he more than helps in the rearing and raising of their children.
These kids are lucky; they get both Mom and Dad actively involved in their lives. I grew up in a 2-parent household, where my mom stayed home and dad worked; it was fine, but I would have loved to have my Dad actively involved in the day-to-day activities in our household, much like what the Palin children have.
yogi41 on April 19, 2009 at 12:03 PM
Ah well – imagine what would happen to HotAir if Palin went Malkin on immigration and Inhofe on AGW… Probably would be the equivalent of a Denial of Service attack on the site – if not a breakthrough in nuclear fusion research…
CK MacLeod on April 19, 2009 at 12:06 PM
Not gonna happen (my PhD thesis has “tokamak” in the title).
gh on April 19, 2009 at 12:10 PM
She is a Inahofe on global warming but she won’t be a Malkin on immigration. The best deal we could get from her is good border security and a considered amnesty after that. No Republican is going to run hard on immigration and she might be the rightest pol we get on that issue.
promachus on April 19, 2009 at 12:14 PM
Made me google
oldernwiser on April 19, 2009 at 12:14 PM
Of course that’s just my educated guess.
promachus on April 19, 2009 at 12:15 PM
That’s why you were on my list called The Persuadables.
promachus on April 19, 2009 at 12:17 PM
Actually, IIRC, it’s in the subtitle but good luck googling “neoclassical polarization current”.
gh on April 19, 2009 at 12:18 PM
Immigration is easy. Pro-legal. Anti-illegal. Amnesty? Be vewy vewy quiet.
gh on April 19, 2009 at 12:25 PM
Mommypundit,
What a sexist comment. Palin is not a single parent. she has a loving supportive husband who seems capable of raising the kids while she handles the duties of her profession. You act like the husband has nothing to do with child raising. As a father I find your attitude below the belt. I have rasied my child by myself for the last 13 years. He is a happy well mannered, respectful child. His teachers can not get over how well behaved and well adjusted and mature he is for his age. Father’s are a needed part of any child’s life and the more time a father takes with his children the better off they are IMO. Therefore far from it being a nergative for the children it might be a positive for the children to have a strong father figure that takes an active role in their lives while their mother handles the problems of the country.
ESP Trig who will need the lesson of toughness taught to him at an early age as he battles his handicaps.
unseen on April 19, 2009 at 12:28 PM
That’s a bit harsh.
gh on April 19, 2009 at 12:29 PM
I think I’ll pass.
That’s above my pay grade
(read over my head)
oldernwiser on April 19, 2009 at 12:30 PM
LOL Who am I in company with on this list?
blatantblue on April 19, 2009 at 12:31 PM
There may not be a Republican party in 2012 – or at least not one that is large enough to be a major contender.
Or maybe there will be.
Point is … the Republican party is either going to start opposing Obama on EVERY SINGLE LIBERAL AGENDA ITEM HE TRIES TO PASS … or they’re going to go the way of the “Do Do Bird”.
The Tea Parties convinced me of one thing – the Republican Party might not be the beneficiary of any Democratic dis-satisfaction in 2012. We have very ripe and fertile soil for a third party with “contender” status.
Make no mistake – the Tea Party movement is going to turn into a “THROW ALL THE BUMS OUT” movement – and that’s not a Democratic or Republican friendly movement. If the GOP doesn’t get it’s asses in gear – they’re gone.
HondaV65 on April 19, 2009 at 12:32 PM
Well, you start with a BS degree and then MS = more of the same and PhD = piled higher and deeper.
gh on April 19, 2009 at 12:35 PM
I disagreed with Mommypundit,don’t think she was being sexist though. Maybe being “lovingmotherist”. She obviously was being concerned for the children and their up bringing.
That’s not sexist. It’s called parenting
oldernwiser on April 19, 2009 at 12:36 PM
newt is thinking this is his last chance to run for potus
jp on April 19, 2009 at 12:36 PM
That’s a bit harsh.
gh on April 19, 2009 at 12:29 PM
no it is not. for 13 years I have seen and heard those that think like Mommypundit. It is disrescpectful to fathers. This society thinks has fathers as nothing more then place3holders or breadwinners. fathers are an intergal part of child rearing. It is not coincidence that the highest rate of junvinelle crime occurs in children with a single mother. It is not a coincidence that the highest rates of poverty occurrs in homes with single mothers. Whereas single father households do not show the same rates of poverty and crime. In fact a case can be made that if all fathers stayed home and raised the children and the mothers worked the children would be better off based on the evidence. I am not suggesting it all I’m saying is a good case can be made.
It is time that people understand the roles father’s play in their childrens lives and that in a two parent home the father is just has good raising a child as a mother.
unseen on April 19, 2009 at 12:38 PM
At some point it gets piled high enough to get in your mouth and make you gag. Next thing you know. It’s over your head.
All kidding aside. Props for the hard work you had to put in
oldernwiser on April 19, 2009 at 12:40 PM
disagreed with Mommypundit,don’t think she was being sexist though. Maybe being “lovingmotherist”. She obviously was being concerned for the children and their up bringing.
That’s not sexist. It’s called parenting
oldernwiser on April 19, 2009 at 12:36 PM
And she just “forgot” that those children have a father that has shown over and over again that he can and will step in to fill the roles that are needed so that his wife can do her job?
unseen on April 19, 2009 at 12:42 PM
She may have voiced some skepticism, but she ain’t no Inhofe. I’m not sure whether it would be worth her while to try to be. I really was just musing about the “candidate of the base” vs. the passions of the rightroots.
I agree with you about Rs and immigration, for now, but we just don’t know what the landscape is going to be in 2011-2. If unemployment nationwide seems stuck in double digits and economic growth is sluggish at best under a huge debt overhang, and Mexico isn’t in a lot better shape, and terrorists have struck the homeland – then lots of unlikely and impossible things won’t be that way anymore.
CK MacLeod on April 19, 2009 at 12:43 PM
Translation: “Please, Sarah, DON’T RUN!”
macummings on April 19, 2009 at 12:46 PM
I don’t think that was Mommypundit’s point at all. I took from it that she felt that a mothers natural concern for her children might be a distraction from her other duties and visa versa. This in no way tried to denigrate the fathers role.
oldernwiser on April 19, 2009 at 12:46 PM
Having read more of her posts than the one you referenced, I am inclined to agree with:
in the case of Mommypundit.
gh on April 19, 2009 at 12:50 PM
oldernwiser on April 19, 2009 at 12:46 PM
I would agree with you if she would have even mentioned the father at all in her comment. He was never mentioned. Her posts all assumed that all child rearing was done by the mother. She further suggest that because a mother would take on more responsibilites the children would suffer again never hinting that those responsibilites could and have been taken up by the father and have been documented as fact.
unseen on April 19, 2009 at 12:52 PM
When people talk of Palin family, I always remember the anecdote about how Sarah asked Track whether she should run for senate and him saying no and suggesting she run for governor; Sarah asking the girls whether she should be accepting the VP nom and them saying, “Absolutely”; about Todd having a sticker on his car which reads ” Where men race snow mobiles and women race to the White House.”
They are a unit, a team and they are in it together. No teenager I know would have all the dirt that was thrown at her and still be normal, like Bristol. These are toughly brought up, sporty , competitive people. They won’t mind the “scrutiny.” Let’s roll.
promachus on April 19, 2009 at 12:53 PM
I’m inclined to give her the benefit of the doubt.
gh on April 19, 2009 at 12:58 PM
oldernwiser on April 19, 2009 at 12:46 PM
gh on April 19, 2009 at 12:50 PM
from her post:
Women are coming out of the wood work saying that it is IMPOSSIBLE to do both well. It’s a myth. I’d like to see her bow out and raise those babies, then come back after they are older and rock it!
Flame away!
Mommypundit on April 19, 2009 at 10:32 AM
What I don’t understand is why social conservatives who normally rally against radical feminism aren’t a bit concerned about her young babies? perhaps we do not really take motherhood as seriously as we say. I think raising her kids and supporting her eldest is MUCH MORE IMPORTANT than being president.
Who is with me?
sigh.
Mommypundit on April 19, 2009 at 11:22 AM
In theory, I think it could happen. In reality, can it? And, if she could, would that be the best for the kids? I am not saying I wouldn’t vote for her if she got the nod. We’ll see how it goes! There is just a lot of drama around her and her kids…not her fault…but it is what it is. Motherhood takes a lot of effort. In my case, it takes singular effort…and not one person can do it better than I can. Soon, they will be older and I will not be in this place. Perhaps I will run for office one day! haha
Mommypundit on April 19, 2009 at 11:42 AM
Now where in ANY of those posts is the father mentioned? In fact the father is not mentioned at all and all the above posts assume that the mother and ONLY the mother is in charge of raising the children. I find that attitude sexist and demeaning to fathers and fatherhood in general
explain to me why that is not the case. what if I changes the word mother for father in all the above posts would that not be completely sexist of me to suggest that only a father can rasie a child properly and that a mother has no role in the life and care of her child?
unseen on April 19, 2009 at 1:00 PM
Perhaps she is Catholic and happily married so the father is understood and does not need to be mentioned.
Just a thought.
gh on April 19, 2009 at 1:03 PM
We will now return you to our regularly scheduled programing.
“Is Newt trying to feather his own bed?”
oldernwiser on April 19, 2009 at 1:04 PM
gh on April 19, 2009 at 1:03 PM
so are you saying in Catholic happily married familes the father has no input to his children’s lives and if the mother should happen to die the children would all starve to death because only the mother is the true caregiver?
unseen on April 19, 2009 at 1:06 PM
There are none so blind as those who see too much
oldernwiser on April 19, 2009 at 1:06 PM
oldernwiser on April 19, 2009 at 1:04 PM
sorry didn’t mean to highjack the thread. Just get upset when it is assumed that the mother is the only caregiver of the family.
unseen on April 19, 2009 at 1:07 PM
I have to say that I agree with you. When someone says that a woman has to stay at home and be the primary care giver for children it is sexist to both women AND men.
Women staying at home rather than getting involved & working in politics is part of the reason we see so few advance to the national stage. It is hard to develop the resume to be a major player un politics when you’ve spent 10-15 years on the mommy track whicle your peer group has been advancing through the ranks.
katiejane on April 19, 2009 at 1:09 PM
No. The opposite. I’m an atheist and my kids are more-so but they chose to go to a Catholic (Opus Dei) high school. So I know a bit about the Catholic church. Also, I started out Anglican and we are big CS Lewis and Tolkein fans.
gh on April 19, 2009 at 1:09 PM
katiejane on April 19, 2009 at 1:09 PM
nice to see I am not alone on this…lol
unseen on April 19, 2009 at 1:11 PM
gh on April 19, 2009 at 1:09 PM
love tolkien, Lewis no as much but still a good read.. half my family is catholic and half presbytrian. Which ever side I visit the father is a central player in the family. He shares in the upbringing and if the family has older children they help care for the younger ones. Palin has a strong husband and older children to help with trig and piper and I see this as a non issue IRT Palin running for office.
unseen on April 19, 2009 at 1:17 PM
I missed this sentence. However, it may mean that she is a single mom or it may mean that her husband is holding down 3 jobs. There are two sides to this issue and I’m not going to speak for her. She seems quite capable of voicing her opinion when it is warranted.
I just don’t read between the lines too much.
gh on April 19, 2009 at 1:17 PM
My father bought me Narnia books but my mother read his non-fiction, which is just as good.
gh on April 19, 2009 at 1:20 PM
Newt’s commercial with Pelosi and Al Gore’s crummy global warming campaign finished it for me. Hell no would he get my vote.
Newt said Hillary is a wise choice for Sec. of State. Are you kidding me?
He is part of the establishment that I want no part of. Sarah Palin has my vote.
jencab on April 19, 2009 at 1:23 PM
gh on April 19, 2009 at 1:20 PM
yes read both in junior high. but fell in love with tolkien…Do they even have these books in the schools anymore?
unseen on April 19, 2009 at 1:25 PM
jencab on April 19, 2009 at 1:23 PM
+1
it is time rep moveon from those in washington.
unseen on April 19, 2009 at 1:26 PM
Newt and his cronies = more of the same
Palin, DeMint = tea party sentiment
If Newt is pushing them, beware. If he is not, then embrace them. He is just another insider drug pusher pushing more CFR members.
Reformation 2012!
PrincipledPilgrim on April 19, 2009 at 1:31 PM
They do in my kids’ school (see above).
Tolkein’s a bit of a luddite. Also, the attempt to make the world real fails. Much better to make a fantasy, like Narnia.
Dune (just the first book) is better written than LotR but obviously is based on the same idea (creating a world). My wife has a number of Herbert’s other books and it’s weird how much better the Dune books are than his other works.
gh on April 19, 2009 at 1:31 PM
Regarding the parenting debate: The profile on Todd in this month’s Esquire Magazine sheds a lot of light into it.
SnarkVader on April 19, 2009 at 1:32 PM
+10!!!
PrincipledPilgrim on April 19, 2009 at 1:32 PM
Hmm… nothing bad in the first page (of six). More-or-less what I’d expect. Alaska sounds like a nice place to live.
Looks factual. Is Esquire part of the MSM?
gh on April 19, 2009 at 1:38 PM
I appreciate you defending me while I was gone…see, my husband just got back from church and had to help make lunch for our kids. we are also steamcleaning our carpet, so, he is busily cleaning the area and keeping the kids busy while I was going around behind him. So, yeah…………
And, yep, KatieJane…I am a pretty feircely independant woman. In fact, I was just discussing my law school ambitions when the kids get a little older. He wants me to do it. I don’t *think* I said anything about barefeet or pregnant, but, whatever you want to infer. I actually did elevate the job of motherhood to the level it rightfully should be…a FULL time job and one worthy of praise. It takes a lot of attention and hard, thankless work. But, wow…it’s worth it!!!
As it stands, I am a mom of two under five. I was a single mom before that and my husband adopted my first. I’ve seen some hardship in my time and don’t hand it out without a bit of understanding. I hope that resonates overall in my various comments here. I can see how there would be a knee jerk reaction to my comments.
The fact is, when I was single, I prayed FOR a husband. I needed that man to be the second part of God’s order and a solid leader for my son. As a christian, I do believe there is a reason why the bible says what it says…both men and women are equal heirs and have distinct roles. This is where my reasoning lies.
Did I say at all that I think fathers were expendable? My question was that mothers were uniquely made to nuture and I stand by that. This does not mean that fathers cannot nurture (my husband is holding our little girl as I type this and is the most gentle and inspiring man I know and a wonderful father) nor that women cannot lead.
My conviction as a mom of littles is as valid as your opinion otherwise. I think some of us like Palin politically and want her to make the choice which might or might not be best for her kids at this moment…because it’s politically attractive. She is an excellent leader from what I can tell and I absolutely would support her if she got the nomination, as I said, but I wonder if, as a mom, those kids wouldn’t want there mom around during these early years.
But, as someone up there said, things change and within their family it is 100% their right to decide.
Mommypundit on April 19, 2009 at 1:44 PM
My dad read Tolkien, Narnia, Screwtape Letters, Wind in the Willows, and (haha) the Biography of George Washington Carver (amongst others) while sitting in the hallway every night between all our bedrooms as a kid.
Dad came with me to a tea party the other day…he tells me I need to write so I can be like Michelle Malkin one day. haha.
Mommypundit on April 19, 2009 at 1:46 PM
It’s a nice thought but I was just debating for my own evil purposes … I had the impression that you could take care of yourself and I should have thought of the fact that it’s a Sunday. Just not smart enough still.
Looks as if I guessed right though.
gh on April 19, 2009 at 1:47 PM
My father voted Labour until I was nine but after we moved to Canada, he could no longer bring himself to vote for the socialists as they had a strong anti-nuclear stance and he was working for AECL (AE=Atomic Energy
.
gh on April 19, 2009 at 1:50 PM
not me sweetie, not me. I intend to march in the street for the Hon. Sarah Palin beginning the moment she asks, where asking is announcing an exploratory committee.
If she needs a babysitter, I’m there. If she needs a donation, I’m there. If she needs … well, you surely get the picture.
Onager on April 19, 2009 at 2:17 PM
I think my opinion changed when I started hearing her eldest on tv and I remembered just how lost I was as a single mom. I just needed my family around me…and I know that is what the Palins are doing. I just cannot imagine running for higher office, with that scrutiny, the way it is now…
…but, they will be older when/if she runs again.
I know that sometimes when men will not be leaders, God raises up strong women who will take the charge. I think of Thatcher, Queen Elizabeth, Deborah, Golda Meier, etc. As I said, it isn’t a matter of a woman not being fit…oh, heaven’s NO…it’s a matter of timing and what is best for her babies because that is the more important job. It might be what is best, though. And, my opinion will then be wrong!
) I’m ok with that.
Mommypundit on April 19, 2009 at 2:53 PM
I think you are referring to Bristol. Isn’t the eldest is the son in Iraq?
As far as the Palin’s are concerned, Bristol is an adult or close enough to make her own decisions. Moreover they have a huge extended family living nearby. The only child I’d be concerned about is Trig and Todd seems to have things well in-hand.
Read the Esquire article referenced above.
gh on April 19, 2009 at 3:05 PM
No one said you weren’t entitled to your opinion but not all conservatives believe that women should be in politics only when men will not be leaders, God raises up strong women who will take the charge. Some of us believe that short of breast feeding fathers can nurture their children quite well. I will trust the Palin family to decide what works for them.
katiejane on April 19, 2009 at 3:19 PM