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the attempts to smear her are all about the Moderates. but they’ll be anti-Obama by 2012 and it shouldn’t matter.
jp on November 7, 2008 at 11:07 AM
*snicker
a hardcore conservative who fights corruption.
a Washington outsider disliked by the elitists on both sidesof the aisle.
yeah, gee I wonder why 91% of us like her.
She’ll energize the base when she’s the top name in 2012, and those folks who stayed homer cuz of McCain will be out in full force for her in 2012.
YellowDawg on November 7, 2008 at 11:08 AM
91% is a scary good number. Remember Rasmussen had the most accurate poll this year too. So I bet this really reflects the GOP opinion of her
ousoonerfan15 on November 7, 2008 at 11:08 AM
Romney at 80%?!?!
I didn’t know anyone liked that dude.
lodge on November 7, 2008 at 11:08 AM
Sarah was the ticket!
(What was there to like about McCain? Seriously.
Now that the election’s over, I can admit it.
Loved her. Never liked him at all.)
Jenfidel on November 7, 2008 at 11:08 AM
I could have told you that.
theguardianii on November 7, 2008 at 11:08 AM
I thought she was a drag…
Pasalubong on November 7, 2008 at 11:08 AM
Wow.
Well I guess that answers any questions about her political future.
She’ll be back.
BardMan on November 7, 2008 at 11:08 AM
did the conservative elitists like Romney? if they did, then that tells you all you need to know.
YellowDawg on November 7, 2008 at 11:10 AM
Wow, do they dare to a report about her running mate’s numbers??
hoosiermama on November 7, 2008 at 11:11 AM
Does anyone out there know if there are any “Palin ‘12″ bumper stickers to be had yet?
ncc770 on November 7, 2008 at 11:12 AM
I see Sarah Palin as the trigger that picked the Republican party up by the ankles and shook all the elite, RINO’s out. She is the fire that burned down the putrid, decaying forest so that the saplings can grow.
Or in the words of Rush, “You are the problem, you are not the solution, you are not the future of the party. The energy, excitement, articulation of values that the Republican base connected with in the campaign came from Governor Palin.”
The key for the 44-year-old Palin will be whether she can broaden her base of support. An Election Day survey found that 81% of Democrats and, more importantly, 57% of unaffiliated voters had an unfavorable view of her.
The surprise here is that more Dims and indies didn’t like her based on the execrable attacks on her from the MSM. These numbers can and will be overcome and Palin fans need to book these numbers as the high water mark of lefty approbation.
youngjim on November 7, 2008 at 11:14 AM
DAMN IT!! I TOLD YOU PEOPLE!! HUCK IS THE ANSWER!!
marklmail on November 7, 2008 at 11:13 AM
91% of conservatives disagree with you. Muahahahah.
The next closest contenders are two former governors and unsuccessful challengers for the presidential nomination this year — Mike Huckabee of Arkansas with 12% support and Mitt Romney of Massachusetts with 11%.
IMO, Romney, as much as I like him, will never get past the Mormon thing, no matter how unfair it is.
and
Huckabee, well, errrr, well, er.
Maybe Zo had a point about picking the best candidate to do battle, and Huck has the talent to communicate in a personable way. BUT
.
I believe Jindal will so out perform everyone, that it won’t be any doubt about who our pick for POTUS will be in 2012.
I wonder what her approval rating is among geography teachers?
Vernon Hardapple on November 7, 2008 at 11:17 AM
Okay, Romney gets with Palin, they talk it out and work it out. They begin planing for 2012, Romney kind of cold, calcualating, thoughtful, “economic expert”, money raiser…Palin, connects with people, “energy expert”, will be groomed for press, money raiser, conservative supporter.
They just have to get over her running for VP again and the press says “Is that all she is, second best?”.
Romeny’s age and health will discount that “one heart beat away”, Palin is a Christian so it will damper the Christian concern…both of the definitely family values, fair, honest.
right2bright on November 7, 2008 at 11:17 AM
I like Palin or Jindal as our nominee. These two are cleaning up the most corrupt states in the USA.
jencab on November 7, 2008 at 11:17 AM
DAMN IT!! I TOLD YOU PEOPLE!! HUCK IS THE ANSWER!!
marklmail on November 7, 2008 at 11:13 AM
Go back and tell KOS it’s not working.
91 percent? She better come out from under her desk and do O’Reilly Monday night. (rolls eyes at Bill-Oh)
Marcus on November 7, 2008 at 11:18 AM
Or in the words of Rush, “You are the problem, you are not the solution, you are not the future of the party. The energy, excitement, articulation of values that the Republican base connected with in the campaign came from Governor Palin.”
Truth smarts.
*eats*
Grue in the Attic on November 7, 2008 at
Dude, I was being saracastic! Man, if Grue turns on me…
Pasalubong on November 7, 2008 at 11:19 AM
Don’t believe the polls people. The corrupt MSM is trying to spin you ….. oh … wait.
I love Jindal too. I just dont know if he wants to move up yet. I could easily see him serving his 8 years in Louisiana and then run for the white house.
ousoonerfan15 on November 7, 2008 at 11:19 AM
Okay, who are those 9% that are a drag on Sarah?!
I was truly sad to hear her say if she lost McCain a single vote. If she did, she brought in 5 for every 1 she might have cost him.
kybowexar on November 7, 2008 at 11:19 AM
91%, and you figure 10% still think Elvis is alive…that means 10% are crazy, so she picked up 1% of the crazy vote.
right2bright on November 7, 2008 at 11:19 AM
Huckabee, well, errrr, well, er.
Maybe Zo had a point about picking the best candidate to do battle, and Huck has the talent to communicate in a personable way. BUT
*
*
Face it. Like Huck, or not, HE CONNECTS WITH PEOPLE, much like Sarah. The guy will win if he runs. Huck/Palin would CRUSH Obama.
marklmail on November 7, 2008 at 11:20 AM
Anchor?
She is more the Helm than any anchor.
kybowexar on November 7, 2008 at 11:20 AM
I see Sarah Palin as the trigger that picked the Republican party up …em> – Carbon
Agreed, if McDole had chosen another RINO like himself, a lot more ‘Pubs would’ve stayed home.
I liked him – voted in the primaries for him. Yes, he’s stiff and all that – but at the time I thought he knew his business.
However, I’d walk over glass for Sarah, if it were required – (and a got a good health plan out of it…laugh)
kybowexar on November 7, 2008 at 11:22 AM
I believe Jindal will so out perform everyone, that it won’t be any doubt about who our pick for POTUS will be in 2012.
abinitioadinfinitum on November 7, 2008 at 11:17 AM
If you think Romney can’t get past the Mormon thing, how do you think Jindall will do when the media starts talking about his college paper where he talks about participating in an exorcism?
The guy will win if he runs. Huck/Palin would CRUSH Obama.
marklmail on November 7, 2008 at 11:20 AM
I’ve come to like Huck, but seriously why would a someone with 66 per cent support want to be on the bottom of the ticket with someone with 12 per cent support?
Isn’t 90% about how many Republican voters actually vote for the Republican candidate on a good year?
Count to 10 on November 7, 2008 at 11:22 AM
Notice how they put one post for Palin, and the responses light up.
It was the last one put up, and now has the most posts. The interest is intense…now how to keep it going…
right2bright on November 7, 2008 at 11:22 AM
Huck/Palin…. The left would cast that ticket as the religious nut bunch… fair or unfair.
Palinpuma on November 7, 2008 at 11:23 AM
She could now coast to the nomination in 2012 if she wants it.
Honestly, I have to thank John McCain for one thing: Bringing Sarah Palin to our attention. I am not sure she could have won in 2012 without the national exposure that this campaign gave her.
Its extremely hard to win a nomination without national name recognition. But thanks to this campaign, Sarah has the highest approval rating of any nationally known Republican.
And given that Obama is Jimmy Carter Part Deux, I think she will coast to the general election victory as well.
Norwegian on November 7, 2008 at 11:23 AM
Agreed, if McDole had chosen another RINO like himself, a lot more ‘Pubs would’ve stayed home.
Tony737 on November 7, 2008 at 11:20 AM
I would have probably voted for Mac still because I loathe Obama’s policies so much. However, you are right that MANY people would have stayed home. I know that I wouldn’t have made donations, nor would I have put up the yard sign/bumper sticker on my truck. Palin’s name on that ticket gave me a sense of pride that would not have been there with McCain/Ridge, etc.
Huck/Palin…. The left would cast that ticket as the religious nut bunch… fair or unfair.
*
We need to stop caring what THEIR voters care about. The country is still center-right. Don’t let anyone brainwash you. Huckabee/Palin appeal to everyone from center-right to right.
marklmail on November 7, 2008 at 11:26 AM
Don’t count Obama out for 2012, he will be pulled to the left, but he knows to get re-elected he has to move right. Within 6 month, end of June, we will know if he caters to the left,or he wants re-election more…Carter never bent, Clinton did.
right2bright on November 7, 2008 at 11:26 AM
She can earn that 9 percent back by brushing up on some national issues she hasn’t dealt with in Alaska. She needs to somehow find a way to appeal to the middle and moderate democrats.
Palinpuma on November 7, 2008 at 11:26 AM
Face it. Like Huck, or not, HE CONNECTS WITH PEOPLE, much like Sarah
JUST for argument’s sake… what’s HIS approval rating?
That polls indicates that the public just doesn’t know Jindal, Pawlenty, etc.
Huck will not make it and if he gets an ounce of support from the re-tooled RNC, I’ll scream
I heard Jindal being interviewed last night and then again today on Laura Ingraham. WOW! Honestly, I don’t think I’ve heard him speak before last night. NOW I understand what all the fuss is about! Last night he said he’s going to Iowa within days. (Maybe it was Sean Hannity interview). Was he on the radio? Forgive me. I think it was Sean who teased him about going to Iowa and Jindal just grinned and said, “Oh, I’ve never been to Iowa. I want to see the cornfields.”
Let’s go!
Oink on November 7, 2008 at 11:28 AM
Mike Chuckabee. The. Most. Obnoxious. Man. In. America.
anniekc on November 7, 2008 at 11:28 AM
She can earn that 9 percent back by brushing up on some national issues she hasn’t dealt with in Alaska. She needs to somehow find a way to appeal to the middle and moderate democrats.
Palinpuma on November 7, 2008 at 11:26 AM
The appeal need to have more to do with convincing them of the right policies and less to do with self positioning.
Count to 10 on November 7, 2008 at 11:28 AM
We need to stop caring what THEIR voters care about. The country is still center-right. Don’t let anyone brainwash you. Huckabee/Palin appeal to everyone from center-right to right.
marklmail on November 7, 2008 at 11:26 AM
Center right doesn’t win elections, better read Coulter column today…I don’t always agree with her, but on this one I do. The conservative right wins election, the middle right loses elections, and the left beats the middle right.
right2bright on November 7, 2008 at 11:28 AM
Grue in the Attic on November 7, 2008 at 11:15 AM
abinitioadinfinitum on November 7, 2008 at 11:21 AM
Thanks. Great stuff there!
ncc770 on November 7, 2008 at 11:29 AM
Face it. Like Huck, or not, HE CONNECTS WITH PEOPLE, much like Sarah. The guy will win if he runs. Huck/Palin would CRUSH Obama.
marklmail on November 7, 2008 at 11:20 AM
Huck’s a nice man, but he’s not a viable candidate for higher office.
He’s governed AK like a RINO or even a Democrat.
The only real Conservative position he has is pro-Life and that won’t cut it.
Sorry.
No more Huck.
He’d be more of a drag on Sarah than McCain.
As for Romney, how long is it going to take us to learn that “cold” and “calculating” gets us nowhere? Romney would have been drawn and quartered by the Obamessiah movement. Remember the “seven houses” thing with McCain? It would have been exponentially worse with Romney.
Anyway, Romney’s conservatism is just a little too skin-deep for me. We have young, solid conservative leadership coming up in the GOP. We need to use it.
Gina on November 7, 2008 at 11:30 AM
She has some things to accomplish between now and announcing her candidacy. Write a book, maybe on energy independence, maybe on being a living example of conservative ideals. Do the press tour to promote the book. Travel overseas, maybe for a charitable cause. Speak at conservative seminars. Stay in Alaska but remain in the national discussion. Stay FAR away from Washington, D.C. Show an interest in foreign policy. Don’t be afraid to ask questions and admit that you don’t know or understand some things.
If she wants it, she would most assuredly be the frontrunner in 2012. And her fundraising ability will be the stuff of legend.
BardMan on November 7, 2008 at 11:30 AM
Wow.
Well I guess that answers any questions about her political future.
She’ll be back.
BardMan on November 7, 2008 at 11:08 AM
She’ll be back, and I love Sarah. I understand that she was put in a bit of a untainable position with little prep to full ingrain herself in national issues so I would suggest she do what Reagan did after losing to Ford in 1976.
Ingrain yourself with the politics of the day, and get some true Red Blood (Not Blue Blood softies!!) Conservative intellectuals to help you develop a solid understanding of conservative positions on National Security as well as Economical policies on a national level. Her instincts are right but perhaps this was a little to fast. Develop your policy positions with other conservative governers (like Bobby who was beyund excellent today on Laura Inghram’s show). Like Bobby said today, our ideas are better and stays with in the frame work he Founders developed for this country compare to the Dimbo Crats.
Dritanian on November 7, 2008 at 11:31 AM
We have that problem here in New Jersey
and Jindal said it today
when offered a choice between a liberal democrat and a liberal republican
they are going to pick the real one every single time
Please DO NOT put Sarah up on a cloud and worship her. She is NOT B.O. and making her a saint will NOT help the moderate voters. It will anger them more.
Um-Duh? Hello? 20,000+ at her rallies. McCain-200 at his.
Highest rated convention speech. Highest rated VP debate (beat the Pres. debates). Highest ratings for SNL in 14 years when she is on. But she was the reason he lost-right…Gov. Palin is the future of the conservative movement.If you don’t like it get out of her way. She’s a good shot. You betcha’!
Babino on November 7, 2008 at 11:31 AM
Senator Palin fighting tooth and nail against Sr’s Boxer, Clinton and Feinstein would be total awesomeness.
When the wife gets a little romantic now she says you betcha and that’s all it takes for me shut down the computer
dog gone it were off to the sack!!!!!!!!!
driver on November 7, 2008 at 11:32 AM
Bill Scrunty on November 7, 2008 at 11:22 AM
We will see, I don’t think it will turn people off as much as Mitt being a Mormon. No, it isn’t fair. Romney was my second cnoice after FRed.
Please DO NOT put Sarah up on a cloud and worship her. She is NOT B.O. and making her a saint will NOT help the moderate voters. It will anger them more.
upinak on November 7, 2008 at 11:31 AM
Oh no, don’t worry. She is imperfect. She has… Um. Let me get back to you on those imperfections when I can actually think some up.
Romney at 80%?!?!
I didn’t know anyone liked that dude.
Seems he still has a lot of support. He can buy a lot of it anyway.
So Palin brings in the GOP … which was her job
Well and then why we lost Virginia and North Carolina and Florida? She should have locked those states with the conservative vote? Seems to me that a large chunck of this voting block stood home and now they are blaming McCain.
Senator Palin fighting tooth and nail against Sr’s Boxer, Clinton and Feinstein would be total awesomeness.
Maybe, but personally, I don’t care if we never have another presidential candidate who’s been a Senator.
That place does something (bad) to people. Look around.
Jenfidel on November 7, 2008 at 11:34 AM
I agree, BardMan. And while I saw that her time as governor of Alaska was good for her resume, it wasn’t complete to be president if the situation arose. But then again, she (if she was with an elected McCain) would be there with a fully staffed administration. I feel confident that she would make the right decisions, as that’s the job of a president.
And with Obama, I have very little confidence in his ability to make the right decisions. And his resume was thinner than Sarah Palins is now. But he did write two books. Or His good buddy Bill Ayers did. Depending on who you ask.
So, as you say – it would be in her best interests to be a living example of conservative ideals. She’s got 4 or 8 years to strengthen her resume and image, which was tarnished by the media and the democrats.
wise_man on November 7, 2008 at 11:34 AM
The key for the 44-year-old Palin will be whether she can broaden her base of support. An Election Day survey found that 81% of Democrats and, more importantly, 57% of unaffiliated voters had an unfavorable view of her.
I can certainly understand why the progressives, socialists, are they still called Democrats, have an unfavorable view of her. They know she could have delivered this election to the Republicans if those non whiney handlers had let her loose.
Now for the unaffiliated voters she somply didn’t have time to work on them.
I am not sure the Palin name will be viable by the time 2012 gets here, but between her and some other conservative voices they may be able to once again overcome the stereotype of the Republican party has greedy evil folks.
The Republicans have a golden oppurtunity to once again connect with the middle class, which the Dems through their demonizing rhetoric have managed to turn to their side.
It is time to make the case that the union leadership does not speak for the union member. Tie it into the legislation over the union voting law and how it takes away their rights. Go ahead and play the class warfare battle of non union worker against union worker. Point out how non union businesses are still managing to succeed even in this tough economic climate.
Oh let me shut up. What do I know? I am just some racist redneck from the south.
Please DO NOT put Sarah up on a cloud and worship her. She is NOT B.O. and making her a saint will NOT help the moderate voters. It will anger them more.
No, you’re right, but I don’t think most of us are doing that. We don’t want a plaster-of-paris saint, we want a fighter, and she certainly is that.
And Jindal is awesome, by the way. I definitely want him on the ticket with her.
Gina on November 7, 2008 at 11:34 AM
Hey guys….
Please DO NOT put Sarah up on a cloud and worship her. She is NOT B.O. and making her a saint will NOT help the moderate voters. It will anger them more.
upinak on November 7, 2008 at 11:31 AM
I was thinking about that. But there seems to be enough self-depreciating humor involved to keep it from really being a problem. Besides, it more of a shield from the pounding the press has/will give her.
Count to 10 on November 7, 2008 at 11:34 AM
McCain got more than 200 people at his rallies, Babino.
wise_man on November 7, 2008 at 11:35 AM
I will have to disagree with anybody who believes that we need to take some time and not worry about 2012
Do you realize how much money and grassroots effort it is going to take to defeat Obama?
He started running for President 4 years ago … he spend nearly 1 Billion dollars
Now he has the bully pulpit and the communications network to get out there even more
The time is now
Now … I don’t believe in simply elevating one person today but something has to start happening
Interesting, but 4 years is a long time. I bet a totally different crop of candidates will emerge by then.
Vashta.Nerada on November 7, 2008 at 11:33 AM
Point taken. But the candidates will actually start sorting themselves out a lot earlier than that. Heck, people are even saying Jindal is sort of taking the first step by speaking at a conservative conference in Iowa later this month.
We’ll know the main contenders in the first part of 2011. It’s not that far off.
BardMan on November 7, 2008 at 11:36 AM
well she has a good start on the conservative convention circuit. She has already been invited to speak at the 2009 CPAC conference.
ousoonerfan15 on November 7, 2008 at 11:37 AM
Interesting, but 4 years is a long time. I bet a totally different crop of candidates will emerge by then.
Good point. A year ago it was suppose to be Rudy vs. Hillary. Yeah, how did that turn out?
Byron York was talking about this today on Ingraham.
He expects Palin to be the GOP’s biggest fundraiser over the next cycle. If you were a Republican running for Congress who would you want to be on stage with you at a rally? Let me see … is it .. Palin!!!
So Palin will probably take a weekend or 2 each month in the lower 48 doing the speaking and fundraising circut and, of course, building a network and earning favours.
Do you realize how much money and grassroots effort it is going to take to defeat Obama?
He started running for President 4 years ago … he spend nearly 1 Billion dollars
Now he has the bully pulpit and the communications network to get out there even more
The time is now
Now … I don’t believe in simply elevating one person today but something has to start happening
Details.. details. But you are right and everybody goes ballistic on McCain but nobody put on the table other reasons for his defeat. The lack of money, the lack of a grass root movement, the base lack of enthusiasm to get out and vote even when Palin was on the ticket and the effectivness of MSM.
McCain made mistakes but being so ungrateful to him is not the solution.
when Putin invades Ukraine and wherever else, she needs to release a Reagan-esque response.
The surprise here is that more Dims and indies didn’t like her based on the execrable attacks on her from the MSM. These numbers can and will be overcome and Palin fans need to book these numbers as the high water mark of lefty approbation.
youngjim on November 7, 2008 at 11:14 AM
heard a Dem at work this week talk about how horrible and unqualified Palin was. She claimed that the only reason Palin had anything was because of her husband….also heard some Trig Trutherism crap and she ended conversations with “Yes We Can”. Yes, really.
the reaction from the Left and media to Palin has been very interesting.
jp on November 7, 2008 at 11:42 AM
All I know is we can’t nominate her in 2012. I talked to A LOT of independent voters that said they loved or respected John McCain, but couldn’t stand Sarah Palin. Plus, there’s no way she would beat Obama in a one-on-one matchup.
Just my $0.02
nickj116 on November 7, 2008 at 11:42 AM
well he is giving one speech in Iowa City this winter. I dont know if that is campaigning. Dont get me wrong it is VERY interesting that he is coming to Iowa to give this speech.
ousoonerfan15 on November 7, 2008 at 11:42 AM
Don’t believe the polls, people … they’re run by the corrupt MSM … oh … wait …
That’s what I’m saying, my delightful friend. I was wrong about the polls. Which is nice, because I like this one.
Sarah is why I actually started to give a damn again about politics. I dragged 3 children 5 and under to an outdoor rally in the the cold at night for about 6 hours, just to experience her in the flesh. Do I view her very favorably? You betcha.
I look to Palin, and others like her, to bring about a restructuring of the GOP. Got to have some optimism about the next 4 to 8 years, don’t cha know.
Vash… but Huck already has a sign up for 2012. How can one weed thru the B.S. without knowing what flowers are popping up in the fields.
upinak on November 7, 2008 at 11:37 AM
Huck is one of the problems, certainly not a solution. He is GWB junior. McCain ran on much the same platform. We need a true conservative. Palin had two of the three legs in 2008, and that was not enough. Social, military and econ are all required to win elections – I submit that the 7 million non-voters were the econs who did not have a candidate.
Vashta.Nerada on November 7, 2008 at 11:44 AM
clemycali on November 7, 2008 at 11:42 AM
McCain should have announced Palin way before the date he did … I don’t care if that would have made Obama pick somebody else
I didn’t donate money until Palin was selected … I still had the Romney sign in the yard lol
IMO, Romney, as much as I like him, will never get past the Mormon thing, no matter how unfair it is.
and
Huckabee, well, errrr, well, er.
Maybe Zo had a point about picking the best candidate to do battle, and Huck has the talent to communicate in a personable way. BUT
.
I believe Jindal will so out perform everyone, that it won’t be any doubt about who our pick for POTUS will be in 2012.
abinitioadinfinitum on November 7, 2008 at 11:17 AM
Romney lost because of lack of authentic personality, not because of being a Mormon. If he stops coming off as a used car salesman or Amway rep. in the next four years, then he can run again. Otherwise, it is time to move on.
I do have to say that I agree with what Zo said about charisma, which is why Huckabee is an intriguing choice. He can definitely give a set speech, an extemp. speech, and win a debate. But he is too much of a cartoon now to win again. I’m concerned that Palin may have turned into such a caricture during the campaign, which is sad because she has the same mad political skillz as Huckabee.
As for the other choices, I’m really not convinced with either Pawlentry or Jindal now.. Both are policy wonks and have really interesting ideas, but could either of them sell the ideas as well as a Huckabee or Palin. I’ve seen snippets of both, and they aren’t the most charismatic speakers in the world. I’m especially concerned about some Republican elites getting excited about Jindal because of the obvious Messiah comparisons.
Illinidiva on November 7, 2008 at 11:45 AM
With Jindahl running do you know what that means?
We not see a “white” president in the white house for a 8-12 years…and maybe not a “white” male for 16-20 years.
No big deal, just something to ponder and wonder…only in America.
right2bright on November 7, 2008 at 11:45 AM
91% of Republicans have a favorable view of her. That’s 50+ million people. If we just give her $50 each, she would raise $2.5 Billion.
She would easily match or even exceed Obambi’s fundraising.
Hopefull this is going to happen. Why I am a little skeptickal about this?
1. Romney is an accomplished guy, but he comes across as too polished and not likable.
2. Jindal is very impressive, but he is too young and not well known nationally enough to win a nomination in 2012.
3. Newt is so 1990s.
4. Huckabee has a narrow following among big goverment evangelicals, will never win the nomination. Trust me.
Sarah Palin is well known, has extremely high approval ratings, and has support among every single tenant of the GOP: Fiscal conservatives, social conservatives, national security conservatives and libertarians. She is a star and will win in 2012 if she wants it.
Norwegian on November 7, 2008 at 11:46 AM
I wonder what her approval rating is among geography teachers?
Vernon Hardapple on November 7, 2008 at 11:17 AM
I wonder what Barack “57 states” Obama’s approval rating is among geography teachres?
MarkTheGreat on November 7, 2008 at 11:46 AM
We need our own Soros to funnel money into 2012 for us. Obama will have a fortune, much of it from overseas.
jp on November 7, 2008 at 11:46 AM
Palin will be a completely different person when she kicks off in 2010 her grassroots prez run. I think she will team up with one other strong republican (Jindal) and run as a team.
Firebird on November 7, 2008 at 11:47 AM
nickj116 on November 7, 2008 at 11:42 AM
I call B.S. on your crappy little arguement.
upinak on November 7, 2008 at 11:45 AM
Yep, looks like the Obama ‘12 astroturfing is already in full swing.
Thinking about 2012 is all well and good but I think the economy will be so bad that we should be thinking about finding the RIGHT people for the 2010 election we should have no problem getting there attention by say
01/25/2009
driver on November 7, 2008 at 11:48 AM
We not see a “white” president in the white house for a 8-12 years…and maybe not a “white” male for 16-20 years.
No big deal, just something to ponder and wonder…only in America.
right2bright on November 7, 2008 at 11:45 AM
Who the f*@! cares? It’s what’s on the inside that counts! We’re conservatives, not libs, color doesn’t matter here.
We need our own Soros to funnel money into 2012 for us. Obama will have a fortune, much of it from overseas.
jp on November 7, 2008 at 11:46 AM
Obama had a truckload of money in 2008 and all it bought was 52%. Yes he will likely have more in 2012 but I don’t know how much more money one can actually spend on a presidential race. He had ads running around the clock for weeks and still ended up with something like $80 million in the coffers.
BardMan on November 7, 2008 at 11:48 AM
Elvis ain’t dead!!!!
carbon_footprint on November 7, 2008 at 11:21 AM
How could he be dead, he just voted?
MarkTheGreat on November 7, 2008 at 11:48 AM
She’s going to need someone with serious FP cred. The world is about to go to complete hell. It’ll be a major issue in 2012, MSM will cast her as unquaified unlike Obama.
she may have to pick an old white dude with FP experience. another Cheney in other words
jp on November 7, 2008 at 11:49 AM
Yep, looks like the Obama ‘12 astroturfing is already in full swing.
Jim Treacher on November 7, 2008 at 11:48 AM
If I ask for a steak.. do I get a liberal on my plate?
well he is giving one speech in Iowa City this winter. I dont know if that is campaigning. Dont get me wrong it is VERY interesting that he is coming to Iowa to give this speech.
ousoonerfan15 on November 7, 2008 at 11:42 AM
That speech is next weekend I believe… And yes, Jindal is testing the waters. The only reason that the Governor of Lousiana would go to IA or be invited to speak in IA is because he has national ambitions.
Illinidiva on November 7, 2008 at 11:49 AM
the wildcard is if Obama is able to change people over to Collectivsm. It appears he’s going to run a constant campaign to attempt this
McCain should have announced Palin way before the date he did … I don’t care if that would have made Obama pick somebody else
He couldn’t announce her earlier. I am still convinced that she was not his first choice for diffrent reasons (lack of a more consistent experience on the national stage was one of them)but he picked her instead of the pressure to get Romney the vp slot. She was suppose to do 2 things:to bring home the base and the female vote. She did partially well with the base (1 milion GOP voters were a no show on the election day) and so and so with the women and quite poorely with the moderates and the independents. Now this can be changed that this is another topic of discussion.
Huck/Palin…. The left would cast that ticket as the religious nut bunch… fair or unfair.
Palinpuma on November 7, 2008 at 11:23 AM
The left would say that about any Republican who’d ever driven past a church, much less been in one.
MarkTheGreat on November 7, 2008 at 11:51 AM
NO! You mean the beltway elitists are wrong?! They didn’t understand the base and show incredibly poor judgement?! Never!
As has been said before, all the advisers trashing her should never work for another campaign.
batter on November 7, 2008 at 11:51 AM
I see Sarah Palin as the trigger that picked the Republican party up by the ankles and shook all the elite, RINO’s out. She is the fire that burned down the putrid, decaying forest so that the saplings can grow.
carbon_footprint on November 7, 2008 at 11:12 AM
It will be impressive to see how you get elected in 2012 without the RINOs!
the MSM was set to label the Convention speech as the greatest speech since MLK, picking Palin completey undercut that narrative which was huge. although now the inauguration address will be the greatest speech of all of history I’m sure
jp on November 7, 2008 at 11:53 AM
The only reason that the Governor of Lousiana would go to IA or be invited to speak in IA is because he has national ambitions.
Illinidiva on November 7, 2008 at 11:49 AM
Honestly, it looks like everyone on both sides of the aisle is expecting a failed Obama presidency. I like that – can we just start every thread with the phrase: the failed policies of the Obama administration?
Vashta.Nerada on November 7, 2008 at 11:53 AM
Illinidiva on November 7, 2008 at 11:45 AM
Hot Air did a poll about “who would you vote for,” and it listed groups like a Christian, a woman, a black person, Mormon, or Atheist. Mormon was just above Atheist, that is why I say it’s because of his Mormonism.
Meh, I guess I’m in the 9% who is not a fan of Palin.
If all she can get is 91% of Republicans, she would never win the general election. As much as we would like to deny the electoral center, they still matter, and it’s the center that her favorable ratings are lopsided.
haner on November 7, 2008 at 11:54 AM
I am still convinced that she was not his first choice for diffrent reasons
It’s pretty much known that McCain thought the most maverick pick was Lieberman and he wanted him until someone leaked it and he got people begging and threatening him not to do it. And that was less than a month before the convention.
All I know is we can’t nominate her in 2012. I talked to A LOT of independent voters that said they loved or respected John McCain, but couldn’t stand Sarah Palin. Plus, there’s no way she would beat Obama in a one-on-one matchup.
Just my $0.02
nickj116 on November 7, 2008 at 11:42 AM
You’re very close to being an Astroturfer with that “anecdote.”
Betcha none of those “independents who said they loved or respected McCain” pulled the R lever on Tuesday, either.
Sarah’Cuda–after 4 more good years as Gov. of AK and after Barry has run the country into the ground–can easily beat him.
The voters wanted the Black Guy and now they’ve got him.
This is the only thing Barry had going for him and in 2012, that will be gone.
Jenfidel on November 7, 2008 at 11:54 AM
Sarah is going to do what Sarah does.
upinak on November 7, 2008 at 11:27 AM
That’s exactly what I’ve been thinking. I have no impulse to urge future career moves on her. Her instincts are so very keen that she has the potential to be the leader we so desperately need. I’m content to wait, watch, and swing into action when she signals her intentions.
Right now, she deserves some time with her family. Can’t wait for the 1st Grandchild!
RushBaby on November 7, 2008 at 11:55 AM
clemycali on November 7, 2008 at 11:51 AM
I’m starting to get tired of the independents and moderate argument
That is McCain’s job … how many times did you have to deal with “only McCain can bring the independents, only he can win the middle”
No need to be sarcastic with McCain. The man did the best he could. Do you honestly think that Romney would have done better?
clemycali on November 7, 2008 at 11:54 AM
Yes, I do – the economic meltdown could be blamed more effectively on members of congress than governors, and no ties to Bush. I can’t say he would have won, but he would have done better.
Vashta.Nerada on November 7, 2008 at 11:55 AM
Mitt and Huck cancel each other out. Both are petty and neither will accept the other as President. Their followers would riot if the other guy got selected.
Its like the 1970s. Mitt Romney has become the Nelson Rockefeller of the Party and Huckabee the Phil Crane of the party. Neither has enough of the base to get behind him as the other part of the base would rather sit out than back them.
Right now, she deserves some time with her family. Can’t wait for the 1st Grandchild!
RushBaby on November 7, 2008 at 11:55 AM
yeah, Bristol is getting big.. I remember waddling around being that big as well. I also remember being pregnant as a teenager… I understand how she feels.
Huck wouldn’t be able to carry the western states e.g. UT, CO, ID, WY, basically anywhere with a substantial LDS population. Many of us LDS conservatives will not have forgotten his treatment (and his followers’) of Mitt even after he dropped out. Maybe it would work out if he apologized and called on his followers to stop the anti-LDS ranting (Al ozarka and apacalyps come to mind). I personally will never vote for him unless he proves that he is more fiscally conservative and acts less holier than thou.
I talked to A LOT of independent voters that said they loved or respected John McCain, but couldn’t stand Sarah Palin.
Yeah and people here talked to a lot of people who were Democrats but were going to vote McCain because they were afraid of Obama, but as we learned all these personal stories meant shit in the end.
If McCain had picked Romney or Pawlenty, it would have been a 49-state blowout. Sarah got the base excited and dragged McCain to an respectable 46% finish, but in the end McCain was at the top of the ticket and many on the right can’t stomach him no matter who he chose as his VP.
Can we please get over this notion that we need to appeal to the middle? McCain was the most moderate, centrist candidate in history for the GOP and see where that got us.
Reagan was an unabashed conservative who won two landslides.
Norwegian on November 7, 2008 at 11:59 AM
Upinak, you can call BS all you want, but Palin needs Independents to win. She’s not popular with Indies, therefore, no win.
I’m thinking rationally. It has nothing to do with whether I like her or not, which I do, btw.
nickj116 on November 7, 2008 at 11:56 AM
Here is your Fodder… now Moooooo.
FYI, She IS popular with Independents. She just isn’t KNOWN well enough because she was attacked (and still is) since they first stated her name.
It is the Inde’s that are liberal maggots whom should just be democrats. or the Constitutionalists/Federalists who are not doing anything but saying crap and not researching.
I would know I have enough of them as my friends and I am also Independent. I am NOT a Republican.
Upinak, you can call BS all you want, but Palin needs Independents to win. She’s not popular with Indies, therefore, no win.
I’m thinking rationally. It has nothing to do with whether I like her or not, which I do, btw.
nickj116 on November 7, 2008 at 11:56 AM
I can’t believe you’re trying to pull this “X needs independents to win” cr*p 2 days after we just got handed our heads with a candidate who was “guaranteed” to bring in indy voters!
Let Sarah and Jindal get the base on board and then we’ll worry about independents!
Jenfidel on November 7, 2008 at 12:01 PM
The reason Barry O did well with women was that he was a 46 year old man running against a 72 year old man.
Put a woman at the top of the ticket and I bet they flip on him.
Upinak, you can call BS all you want, but Palin needs Independents to win. She’s not popular with Indies, therefore, no win.
True and everybody is tip toeing around the big gorilla in the room. The GOP base is fractioned and we lost 1 milion votes. 1 million people stood at home and watched Obama elected.
I like Palin but in my words of my husband:people were sick of Bush and the GOP.
She needs to appeal somehow to the center because as we saw clearly on tuesday we cannot win only with the base. And the demographic of the country is changing too.
And I do like Sarah Palin and I think she has potential to become a real leader.
nickj116, That’s probably because she was too partisan and was too fixated into the culture war idea… She can gain that support back from indies…
Palinpuma on November 7, 2008 at 12:03 PM
Upinak, you can call BS all you want, but Palin needs Independents to win. She’s not popular with Indies, therefore, no win.
I’m thinking rationally. It has nothing to do with whether I like her or not, which I do, btw.
nickj116 on November 7, 2008 at 11:56 AM
Look logically at the election. Barry got a couple of million more votes than Kerry, basically some kids and increased black turnout. McCain lost because over 7 million voters who turned out for Bush stayed home. They were the economic conservatives. We all know plenty of them. They will not vote for someone who complains about big oil or big business. They will also not vote for a McCain who signs a bailout deal a month before the election. They play jujitsu politics – they will allow a dem to be a liberal, they will not allow a republican to do so. They know that a liberal will always fail in the long run. Their strategy is simple – vote out liberal republicans, given that we have a two party system, that means a dem. Let the dem make a fool of himself, then defeat him with a conservative. Happens over and over. Independents were not the issue in this campaign – conservatives staying home was the issue.
Vashta.Nerada on November 7, 2008 at 12:04 PM
carbon_footprint on November 7, 2008 at 11:58 AM
I 2nd that
driver on November 7, 2008 at 12:05 PM
At Drudge: FOXNEWS Greta Van Susteren obtains first post election interview with Gov. Palin… Van Susteren traveling to Alaska for extensive sit-down interview with Palin to air Monday night exclusively… Developing…
If McCain had picked Romney or Pawlenty, it would have been a 49-state blowout. Sarah got the base excited and dragged McCain to an respectable 46% finish, but in the end McCain was at the top of the ticket and many on the right can’t stomach him no matter who he chose as his VP.
And I hope they have the stomach for Obama now.
I can’t believe you’re trying to pull this “X needs independents to win” cr*p 2 days after we just got handed our heads with a candidate who was “guaranteed” to bring in indy voters!
Actually McCain got the independents and the moderates vbotes, the base was a no show. And combined with the greater number of democrats and esspecially black votes he won.You should look at the numbers at Rasmussen and then acuse McCain of not getting the independents vote. He did better with them than Bush. Where was the base? Ah, as somebody said:”they didn’t have stomach for him”.
Barry did well with single women; married women voted for McCain/Palin.
Jenfidel on November 7, 2008 at 12:09 PM
I love Jindal too. I just dont know if he wants to move up yet. I could easily see him serving his 8 years in Louisiana and then run for the white house.
ousoonerfan15 on November 7, 2008 at 11:19 AM
Nope. He’s already planning a trip to Iowa. He’ll go for it.
Oink on November 7, 2008 at 12:13 PM
Barry did well with single women; married women voted for McCain/Palin.
Jenfidel on November 7, 2008 at 12:09 PM
I would bet that has more to do with their economic situation than gender.
Oink on November 7, 2008 at 12:14 PM
Barry did well with single women; married women voted for McCain/Palin.
Jenfidel on November 7, 2008 at 12:09 PM
He still won the majority of women period. Married or not.
I don’t think McCain would have fared better with Romney either. Romney (despite my fondness for him) has that rich, white, country club vibe going on at a time when diversity seemed to be in vogue with the average voter. I think Palin was a shrewd choice that appealed to social cons, fiscal cons, and working class women. The only drawback was her experience , which shouldn’t have been a big deal compared to Obama, but the media did their job well of trashing her to take the focus off Obama. I voted for McCain despite my dislike of him mostly for her sake.
drflykilla on November 7, 2008 at 12:16 PM
Not enough, likely
*eats*
Grue in the Attic on November 7, 2008 at 11:52 AM
More than you might think.
BTW, thanks for all the fish.
MarkTheGreat on November 7, 2008 at 12:17 PM
The GOP will learn much from how Obama structured his ground game. We need to start, um, now.
marklmail on November 7, 2008 at 12:19 PM
although now the inauguration address will be the greatest speech of all of history I’m sure
jp on November 7, 2008 at 11:53 AM
I wonder how long the MSM is going to keep beating that horse. His speech on race relations just after Wright became notorious, was also supposed to be the greatest speech ever.
MarkTheGreat on November 7, 2008 at 12:19 PM
How about McCain. He’ll probably be looking for work by then.
I simply don’t understand the pleasure some of you have by stabbing a man that deed a lot for the country and the party and practically sacrificed himself this year running against Obama with all the bagage that is the Bush administration. I simply cannot understand. Its beyond my power of understanding. Do you really think that bashing McCain is going to solve the problems? Its bad taste at maximum.
Like ACORN, but without the cheating and stealing – and people you aren’t afraid of.
marklmail on November 7, 2008 at 12:20 PM
upinak on November 7, 2008 at 12:15 PM
I guess the good news (bad news for us) is that Obama will nominate liberal judges who support abortion rights and sign universal health care into law. Therefore, maybe women in 2012 will not be so reluctant to support Palin because they feel abortion rights was already protected by Obama’s picks.
Maybe they’ll pass euthanasia laws. We’ll just put those broads down.
marklmail on November 7, 2008 at 12:24 PM
I can’t believe you’re trying to pull this “X needs independents to win” cr*p 2 days after we just got handed our heads with a candidate who was “guaranteed” to bring in indy voters!
Let Sarah and Jindal get the base on board and then we’ll worry about independents!
Jenfidel on November 7, 2008 at 12:01 PM
Barack pretty much got the same number of votes that Kerry did. McCain lost because he couldn’t get the people who voted for Bush to come out and vote for him.
MarkTheGreat on November 7, 2008 at 12:25 PM
Barack pretty much got the same number of votes that Kerry did. McCain lost because he couldn’t get the people who voted for Bush to come out and vote for him.
MarkTheGreat on November 7, 2008 at 12:25 PM
McCain lost because he’s McCain.
Barry won because he’s black.
Jenfidel on November 7, 2008 at 12:27 PM
I guess the good news (bad news for us) is that Obama will nominate liberal judges who support abortion rights and sign universal health care into law. Therefore, maybe women in 2012 will not be so reluctant to support Palin because they feel abortion rights was already protected by Obama’s picks.
Abortion is not an issue. It is only for a small part of the conservative moevement. The initiative that was restricting abortion in South Dakota was voted down by a large margin. So it seems that even people in the deep blue state of SD think that abortion should be legal for various reasons evan they don’t morally aprove it.
Most of the single women that votd for Obama voted for his health care plan, for his so called tax breaks for the poors and although because he looks cool.
And a lot of women, evan they liked Palin, thought that she wasn’t really prepared to take the wheel in the case of a Mccain suddenly departure.
Barack pretty much got the same number of votes that Kerry did. McCain lost because he couldn’t get the people who voted for Bush to come out and vote for him.
Some people can’t recognize that McCain’s defeat was partially base’s fault. If you don’t go out and vote you cannot complain of the outcome.
I simply don’t understand the pleasure some of you have by stabbing a man that deed a lot for the country and the party and practically sacrificed himself this year running against Obama with all the bagage that is the Bush administration. I simply cannot understand. Its beyond my power of understanding. Do you really think that bashing McCain is going to solve the problems? Its bad taste at maximum.
clemycali on November 7, 2008 at 12:19 PM
McCain spent two decades attacking Republicans in general, conservatives in particular at every opportunity. That’s why he lost. If pointing that out is “bashing”, then let the bashing continue.
MarkTheGreat on November 7, 2008 at 12:30 PM
Some people can’t recognize that McCain’s defeat was partially base’s fault. If you don’t go out and vote you cannot complain of the outcome.
clemycali on November 7, 2008 at 12:30 PM
McCain spent his entire political career kicking conservatives in the teeth. Then he begged us to believe him when he told us that he had changed.
Can you really fault people for doubting him?
MarkTheGreat on November 7, 2008 at 12:32 PM
No the reason why Obama did well with women is because of the issues. Most women support abortion rights and universal health care. That’s it.
terryannonline on November 7, 2008 at 12:05 PM
Nope… the reason that the Messiah did well is because the economy tanked and he was the Democrat. Any Democrat who wasn’t named Eliot Spitzer or John Edwards would have won this year.
Illinidiva on November 7, 2008 at 12:32 PM
Illinidiva on November 7, 2008 at 12:32 PM
You are forgetting that Democrats always get the majority of women. Sometimes in larger numbers than other elections but they still always get the women vote.
Fine if she is going to be the nominee in 2012, then we might as well start talking about who we will nominate in 2016 or those of us without the blinders on or a head up our @ss might as well just leave the party for good because there will be no limited government principles coming from them any time soon.
Nope… the reason that the Messiah did well is because the economy tanked and he was the Democrat. Any Democrat who wasn’t named Eliot Spitzer or John Edwards would have won this year.
outspent by 5-1
huge organization
recession
despised sitting president
unpopular war
crashing stock market
specter of racism AND THE GUY ONLY WON BY A FEW MILLION VOTES? He’d better kick ass, or we’re gonna kick HIS ASS.
marklmail on November 7, 2008 at 12:39 PM
The interesting poll would be what the independents think of her, not what republicans think of her. I HIGHLY doubt that independents have a positive view of her at all.
muyoso on November 7, 2008 at 12:40 PM
Republicans also had a favorable view of Bush. How would he do in future elections?
McCain spent two decades attacking Republicans in general, conservatives in particular at every opportunity. That’s why he lost. If pointing that out is “bashing”, then let the bashing continue.
I suppose he had no reasons to attack the republicans and the conservatives but judging after the Ted Stevens scandal he might have been right to do it.And the turnaround in Irak is actually McCain’s succes largely. He was screaming about the incompetence of the war effort and nobody was listening to him. You know he was attacking the republicans. Anyway if bashing McCain make you feel better that’s another story.
Nope… the reason that the Messiah did well is because the economy tanked and he was the Democrat. Any Democrat who wasn’t named Eliot Spitzer or John Edwards would have won this year.
Yes but George Bush had nothing to do with that.You know…It was a colective blame but Bush was the president in function. We are going in circles not able to recongnize certain things and trying to put all the blame on McCain. He was not a conservative, he should have picked Palin earlier, no he should have been picked Romney instead. Romney would have done better because of his economic background. Its getting depressing.
You are forgetting that Democrats always get the majority of women. Sometimes in larger numbers than other elections but they still always get the women vote.
terryannonline on November 7, 2008 at 12:37 PM
Yes, they do because of the Sex in the City vote (i.e. single professional women). These women do care about abortion and liberal policies in the abstract (like universal health care). However, successful Republicans generally get the “soccer/ hockey mom” vote. These woman do care about health care, education, etc., but it is because they have to deal with these issues. Republicans must address kitchen table issues, but should do so in a conservative way (i.e. not government run health care or pumping money into failing schools).
Illinidiva on November 7, 2008 at 12:51 PM
Republicans must address kitchen table issues, but should do so in a conservative way (i.e. not government run health care or pumping money into failing schools).
Yes and they must put these issues in a simple language not in abstractions. People like what they can understand.
outspent by 5-1
huge organization
recession
despised sitting president
unpopular war
True but its still McCain fault for not being conservative enough.
clemycali on November 7, 2008 at 12:47 PM
So throw “Unchallenging opponent” at the bottom of the list. The fact that Obama DIDN’T win a massive landslide is still saying something… the effort he put into this election was massive compared to McCain’s team, and he still only pulled a small margin lead. Enough to clearly win, but most certainly nothing like a Mandate From The People.
I need a “Don’t blame me, I voted for Gov. Palin” bumpersticker.
Enoxo on November 7, 2008 at 12:56 PM
Yes but George Bush had nothing to do with that.You know…It was a colective blame but Bush was the president in function. We are going in circles not able to recongnize certain things and trying to put all the blame on McCain. He was not a conservative, he should have picked Palin earlier, no he should have been picked Romney instead. Romney would have done better because of his economic background. Its getting depressing.
clemycali on November 7, 2008 at 12:45 PM
Never said that it was Bush’s or McCain’s fault. McCain lost mainly because of factors beyond his control. He did contribute to it by running an themeless campaign that was low on money and organization, but I think that even if McCain had run a textbook campaign, he still would have lost.
Illinidiva on November 7, 2008 at 12:56 PM
91% of Republicans have a favorable view of her. That’s 50+ million people. If we just give her $50 each, she would raise $2.5 Billion.
She would easily match or even exceed Obambi’s fundraising.
Norwegian on November 7, 2008 at 11:41 AM
And if she takes off the security features like The One did, even YOU can give! And your friends!
hoosiermama on November 7, 2008 at 12:58 PM
Palin is Trig.
username on November 7, 2008 at 1:02 PM
He did contribute to it by running an themeless campaign that was low on money and organization, but I think that even if McCain had run a textbook campaign, he still would have lost.
It would have been difficult for any republican to bring new ideeas in this campaign or to win in the actual climate. Thats for I am upset with the people that are so eager to blame only McCain for the lost and not too look beyond that.
I need a “Don’t blame me, I voted for Gov. Palin” bumpersticker.
Enoxo on November 7, 2008 at 12:56 PM
CafePress.com
Palin is Trig.
username on November 7, 2008 at 1:02 PM
Now, this may just be because I read a lot of fantasy, but I’m confused about what you mean by this. In certain cultures, “trig” means “quick-witted, crafty, cunning” so in that case I’d take it as a compliment.
You being you, though, probably are equating her to her baby, which is… confusing and illogical. Explanito por favor.
Palin should be a shibboleth (Judges 12:5-6) for the Republican party.
If you like her, you can stay and play. If not…
29Victor on November 7, 2008 at 1:15 PM
No wonder the McCain folks dislike her so much. She is half their guy’s age and has twice the appeal and political instincts.
Elizabetty on November 7, 2008 at 1:16 PM
Yes and they must put these issues in a simple language not in abstractions. People like what they can understand.
clemycali on November 7, 2008 at 12:53 PM
Agreed.. Which is why I’m not yet sold on either Pawlentry or Jindal yet. Both have lots of ideas, but I’m not sure that they can communicate these ideas in understandable terms.
Illinidiva on November 7, 2008 at 1:19 PM
Palin should be a shibboleth (Judges 12:5-6) for the Republican party.
If you like her, you can stay and play. If not…
29Victor on November 7, 2008 at 1:15 PM
Hello Mr. 9%. Go to Hell, do not pass Go, do not collect $200.
Um-Duh? Hello? 20,000+ at her rallies. McCain-200 at his.
Highest rated convention speech. Highest rated VP debate (beat the Pres. debates). Highest ratings for SNL in 14 years when she is on. But she was the reason he lost-right…Gov. Palin is the future of the conservative movement.If you don’t like it get out of her way. She’s a good shot. You betcha’!
Babino on November 7, 2008 at 11:31 AM
Damn Straight! Sarah rocks.
Geochelone on November 7, 2008 at 1:37 PM
I like Palin or Jindal as our nominee. These two are cleaning up the most corrupt states in the USA.
jencab on November 7, 2008 at 11:17 AM
Nah. The most corrupt states would be Illinois and New York.
Yes and they must put these issues in a simple language not in abstractions. People like what they can understand.
Unfortunately, I suspect Bush and Palin put things in simple terms so well because they actually think in simple terms. Politicians do a terrible disservice to voters by dumbing down the complex problems the country faces. Either it belies a shallowness of thought on their part or it is condescending.
alex342 on November 7, 2008 at 1:40 PM
I wasn’t voting for pres if not for Palin. I also think Mccain’s trying to distance himself from Bush is a negative. At least for me.
maynila on November 7, 2008 at 1:42 PM
Sixty-nine percent (69%) of Republican voters say Alaska Governor Sarah Palin helped John McCain’s bid for the presidency
Excuse me, Grue, but it is you who are mistaken. I wasn’t referring to the 91% who like her but the 69% who think she helped the ticket. Also, you would be wise not to presume to know what my political leanings are based on an observation about poll numbers.
Or (maybe even better) HHGTTG Online? You have a splitting headache and no tea.
29Victor on November 7, 2008 at 1:48 PM
Unfortunately, I suspect Bush and Palin put things in simple terms so well because they actually think in simple terms. Politicians do a terrible disservice to voters by dumbing down the complex problems the country faces. Either it belies a shallowness of thought on their part or it is condescending.
alex342 on November 7, 2008 at 1:40 PM
First of all, there’s still quite a few trolls/ Obamabots here. Is Axelrod still paying you to astroturf?
As for communicating in “simple terms,” Obama’s entire message was Hope! and Change!, so if we use your logic, then the Messiah must be simple as well.
Illinidiva on November 7, 2008 at 1:48 PM
Sarah, Jindal and other REAL Conservatives are the future of our party.
Mitt and McCain are done.
AND IF EITHER HOPES TO RETAIN ANY CREDIBILITY AT ALL, THEY WILL STOP SARAH BASHIN’ RIGHT NOW!
ExTex on November 7, 2008 at 1:49 PM
Illinidiva on November 7, 2008 at 1:48 PM
Did I say Obama’s message wasn’t simple? Did I say anything about him at all? How the hell do you infer I’m an Obama supporter from anything I wrote? Good Lord, some of you people are paranoid. And no, no-one is paying me to “astroturf”.
alex342 on November 7, 2008 at 1:51 PM
Unfortunately, I suspect Bush and Palin put things in simple terms so well because they actually think in simple terms. Politicians do a terrible disservice to voters by dumbing down the complex problems the country faces. Either it belies a shallowness of thought on their part or it is condescending.
alex342 on November 7, 2008 at 1:40 PM
Wow, you just don’t give up, do you?
So, Einstein and Fenyman could explain physics in simple terms because they were so simple? Same thing for C.S.Lewis and theology? Or Ronald Reagan and politics?
All morons I guess.
29Victor on November 7, 2008 at 1:54 PM
I figured. BTW, have you seen Zork Online?
Yep. Have it bookmarked on my laptop, visit regularly when I have nothing else to do Haven’t been able to do so lately due to stuff going on at home.
Or (maybe even better) HHGTTG Online? You have a splitting headache and no tea.
Sigh. No, I’m not saying anyone who tries to simplify is a moron. I’m saying that: (1) Sarah Palin is not Richard Feynman (I think her speech is on the level of her thinking); (2) Simplification is great if it helps provide clarity but not when it dumbs issues down to the point where they are distorted, or when it is done to flatter and condescend to the electorate for votes.
alex342 on November 7, 2008 at 1:59 PM
Grue in the Attic on November 7, 2008 at 1:54 PM
Note that you have to type “851108″ (no quotes) in the text-box toward the bottom of the page to go to the real game. (I don’t think it’s possible to link directly to the real game.)
29Victor on November 7, 2008 at 2:00 PM
Illinidiva on November 7, 2008 at 1:48 PM
Did I say Obama’s message wasn’t simple? Did I say anything about him at all? How the hell do you infer I’m an Obama supporter from anything I wrote? Good Lord, some of you people are paranoid. And no, no-one is paying me to “astroturf”.
alex342 on November 7, 2008 at 1:51 PM
Considering that you think that both Bush and Palin are morons, it’s quite easy to deduce the rest.
Illinidiva on November 7, 2008 at 2:01 PM
alex342 on November 7, 2008 at 1:59 PM
“Sigh?” Do you tire of the simple folk here, oh enlightened one.
So, your problem isn’t with her simplifying things, it’s that she “distorted” and “flattered?” Wait, I thought that you point was that she’s stupid, not that she lied and pandered. I thought that you didn’t like it when politicians in general spoke in “simple terms.”
If she’s a liar and flatter then she’s pretty darn smart because it worked, she was able to energize the base and got McCain a whole lot more support than he had had before he picked her.
So, either she spoke simply because she was stupid and couldn’t do any better, or because she was a really, really smart unscrupulous politician. Please pick one.
Or could it be that you’re just falling back on the same old petty, childish attack of calling your opponents stupid?
29Victor on November 7, 2008 at 2:07 PM
7 million fewer votes for McCain/Palin as compared to Bush/Cheney in 2004. So, the consensus is that she made sure it wasn’t 10 million?
Right, because all thinking about politics in the universe can be neatly divided into Bush/Palin and Obama categories. Since you accused me of being a Democrat, I’ll say that I’m a basically a traditionally conservative Canadian who thinks that it would behoove the American right to find more articulate spokespersons for their cause.
Newt Gingrich, for example, is someone who generally makes intelligent contributions to political discussion. Sarah Palin does not, however likeable she is otherwise. Who cares if she’s like regular people, whatever that even means. Voting is supposed to be about selecting the best leaders, not a narcissistic exercise in self-affirmation.
alex342 on November 7, 2008 at 2:09 PM
7 million fewer votes for McCain/Palin as compared to Bush/Cheney in 2004. So, the consensus is that she made sure it wasn’t 10 million?
Krydor on November 7, 2008 at 2:08 PM
Sadly, yeah. I can just about bet that McCain’s numbers would have been significantly poorer without him. And the numbers support it.
Slightly off-topic, but what is it with Canadians and poking into American politics? Every Canadian know seems more interested in American political goings-on than most Americans I know off this site. It’s weird.
The sigh was at the unprovoked hostility, not because I think anyone else here is simple.
I don’t know Sarah Palin, all I have to go on is what I’ve heard her say. I don’t think she’s stupid, but I don’t think she brings anything constructive to the table by way of ideas. That’s not a crime, I wouldn’t either but then I wouldn’t accept the job of VP. So, in her case, I think the simplicity of her message is due to a deficiency on her part.
alex342 on November 7, 2008 at 2:17 PM
Grue in the Attic on November 7, 2008 at 2:12 PM
We think of ourselves as a mouse lying next to an elephant that could role over onto us at any time. So we pay close attention
alex342 on November 7, 2008 at 2:19 PM
We think of ourselves as a mouse lying next to an elephant that could role over onto us at any time. So we pay close attention
alex342 on November 7, 2008 at 2:19 PM
That kind of explains it, I guess. Wasn’t meaning it as an insult or anything, I just thought it rather odd – and I mean it from all ends of the political spectrum, you and CanadianGuy as well as Dave Rywall and his ilk. Just a bit of curiosity I suppose
we just nominated the center candidate … remember?
when Republicans obviously go to the center … they lose
joey24007 on November 7, 2008 at 11:57 AM
McCain didn’t run his campaign as a moderate. Hell, I don’t know what his platform in the end was, it ended up being a weird mix of social conservatism and maverickism (or at least those were the dominant messages).
It’s too early to say who would be best for 2012. Obama could turn out to be an epic fail and then the Republicans can nominate any generic candidate and still win. Or Obama could become a great American president, in that case, you could run a Reagan and still lose. But if Obama is an average president, then I think we need a candidate who has the brains to explain conservatism and fiscal responsibility to the American people and be able to debate the incumbent and hold his own. Not a candidate who needs coaching herself.
If Palin in 2012 is exactly like the Palin I saw in 2008, then I won’t vote for her as the Republican nominee.
haner on November 7, 2008 at 2:52 PM
alex342 on November 7, 2008 at 2:17 PM
So she’s “deficiant” and “simple” but not stupid?
You said that that Bush & Palin were both “simple” and are either shallow or condescending and then have the nerve to say that any “hostility” toward you is unprovoked?
Grow a spine, man. If you’re going to come here and throw bombs at least have the decency to not act surprised when someone responds in kind.
29Victor on November 7, 2008 at 3:10 PM
… reflecting that, very possibly, Republican rejection of McCain/Palin at the polls (as reflected in low GOP voter turnout) was a rejection of McCain rather than a rejection of Palin.
Yeah… Bitter McCain staffers leaking anti-Palin rhetoric to the press would make sense if you think about it.
Lawrence on November 7, 2008 at 3:14 PM
McCain didn’t run his campaign as a moderate. Hell, I don’t know what his platform in the end was, it ended up being a weird mix of social conservatism and maverickism …
haner on November 7, 2008 at 2:52 PM
In short. Populism. For the most part.
Lawrence on November 7, 2008 at 3:16 PM
Most moderates I know are fiscal, small government conservatives with secular (but not liberal) values. They tend to be professionals too. The Republican party lost this professional class vote this time by almost 2:1 margins. I feel Palin has limited appeal to this group of people.
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Drag on the ticket my @#$! WOOT!!
*eats*
Grue in the Attic on November 7, 2008 at 11:05 AM
I favor her. She and Jindal are our future.
carbon_footprint on November 7, 2008 at 11:05 AM
Palin helped McCain more than any other VP pick would have. Palin 2012!
Rosmerta on November 7, 2008 at 11:05 AM
Yes!
carbon_footprint on November 7, 2008 at 11:05 AM
Not an anchor.
BadgerHawk on November 7, 2008 at 11:06 AM
the attempts to smear her are all about the Moderates. but they’ll be anti-Obama by 2012 and it shouldn’t matter.
jp on November 7, 2008 at 11:07 AM
*snicker
a hardcore conservative who fights corruption.
a Washington outsider disliked by the elitists on both sidesof the aisle.
yeah, gee I wonder why 91% of us like her.
She’ll energize the base when she’s the top name in 2012, and those folks who stayed homer cuz of McCain will be out in full force for her in 2012.
YellowDawg on November 7, 2008 at 11:08 AM
91% is a scary good number. Remember Rasmussen had the most accurate poll this year too. So I bet this really reflects the GOP opinion of her
ousoonerfan15 on November 7, 2008 at 11:08 AM
Romney at 80%?!?!
I didn’t know anyone liked that dude.
lodge on November 7, 2008 at 11:08 AM
Sarah was the ticket!
(What was there to like about McCain? Seriously.
Now that the election’s over, I can admit it.
Loved her. Never liked him at all.)
Jenfidel on November 7, 2008 at 11:08 AM
I could have told you that.
theguardianii on November 7, 2008 at 11:08 AM
I thought she was a drag…
Pasalubong on November 7, 2008 at 11:08 AM
Wow.
Well I guess that answers any questions about her political future.
She’ll be back.
BardMan on November 7, 2008 at 11:08 AM
did the conservative elitists like Romney? if they did, then that tells you all you need to know.
YellowDawg on November 7, 2008 at 11:10 AM
Wow, do they dare to a report about her running mate’s numbers??
hoosiermama on November 7, 2008 at 11:11 AM
Does anyone out there know if there are any “Palin ‘12″ bumper stickers to be had yet?
ncc770 on November 7, 2008 at 11:12 AM
I see Sarah Palin as the trigger that picked the Republican party up by the ankles and shook all the elite, RINO’s out. She is the fire that burned down the putrid, decaying forest so that the saplings can grow.
carbon_footprint on November 7, 2008 at 11:12 AM
DAMN IT!! I TOLD YOU PEOPLE!! HUCK IS THE ANSWER!!
marklmail on November 7, 2008 at 11:13 AM
I hope she sees this after all the garbage that’s been thrown at her lately. I hope Noonan and the other backstabbers see it also.
Rose on November 7, 2008 at 11:13 AM
91%, despite the media’s attempt to destroy her. That explians why they’re STILL trying.
Tony737 on November 7, 2008 at 11:13 AM
Guess that puts you in the 9%.
Or in the words of Rush, “You are the problem, you are not the solution, you are not the future of the party. The energy, excitement, articulation of values that the Republican base connected with in the campaign came from Governor Palin.”
Truth smarts.
*eats*
Grue in the Attic on November 7, 2008 at 11:13 AM
The surprise here is that more Dims and indies didn’t like her based on the execrable attacks on her from the MSM. These numbers can and will be overcome and Palin fans need to book these numbers as the high water mark of lefty approbation.
youngjim on November 7, 2008 at 11:14 AM
91% of conservatives disagree with you. Muahahahah.
*eats*
Grue in the Attic on November 7, 2008 at 11:14 AM
CafePress.com has a ton of that stuff.
*eats*
Grue in the Attic on November 7, 2008 at 11:15 AM
Grue, I think he was being sarcastic.
carbon_footprint on November 7, 2008 at 11:15 AM
If Huck’s the answer, then what the hell is the question?!?
Jenfidel on November 7, 2008 at 11:15 AM
D’oh. Sorry Pasa, my mistake. No sarc tag, couldn’t tell.
*eats*
Grue in the Attic on November 7, 2008 at 11:16 AM
I think we need to build a planet to answer that!
*eats*
Grue in the Attic on November 7, 2008 at 11:16 AM
Now fix it with democrats and independents…
Palinpuma on November 7, 2008 at 11:17 AM
Wow, that’s higher than I would have guessed.
IMO, Romney, as much as I like him, will never get past the Mormon thing, no matter how unfair it is.
and
Huckabee, well, errrr, well, er.
Maybe Zo had a point about picking the best candidate to do battle, and Huck has the talent to communicate in a personable way. BUT
.
I believe Jindal will so out perform everyone, that it won’t be any doubt about who our pick for POTUS will be in 2012.
abinitioadinfinitum on November 7, 2008 at 11:17 AM
I wonder what her approval rating is among geography teachers?
Vernon Hardapple on November 7, 2008 at 11:17 AM
Okay, Romney gets with Palin, they talk it out and work it out. They begin planing for 2012, Romney kind of cold, calcualating, thoughtful, “economic expert”, money raiser…Palin, connects with people, “energy expert”, will be groomed for press, money raiser, conservative supporter.
They just have to get over her running for VP again and the press says “Is that all she is, second best?”.
Romeny’s age and health will discount that “one heart beat away”, Palin is a Christian so it will damper the Christian concern…both of the definitely family values, fair, honest.
right2bright on November 7, 2008 at 11:17 AM
I like Palin or Jindal as our nominee. These two are cleaning up the most corrupt states in the USA.
jencab on November 7, 2008 at 11:17 AM
Go back and tell KOS it’s not working.
91 percent? She better come out from under her desk and do O’Reilly Monday night. (rolls eyes at Bill-Oh)
Marcus on November 7, 2008 at 11:18 AM
Dude, I was being saracastic! Man, if Grue turns on me…
Pasalubong on November 7, 2008 at 11:19 AM
Don’t believe the polls people. The corrupt MSM is trying to spin you ….. oh … wait.
CanadianGuy on November 7, 2008 at 11:19 AM
I love Jindal too. I just dont know if he wants to move up yet. I could easily see him serving his 8 years in Louisiana and then run for the white house.
ousoonerfan15 on November 7, 2008 at 11:19 AM
Okay, who are those 9% that are a drag on Sarah?!
I was truly sad to hear her say if she lost McCain a single vote. If she did, she brought in 5 for every 1 she might have cost him.
kybowexar on November 7, 2008 at 11:19 AM
91%, and you figure 10% still think Elvis is alive…that means 10% are crazy, so she picked up 1% of the crazy vote.
right2bright on November 7, 2008 at 11:19 AM
Huckabee, well, errrr, well, er.
Maybe Zo had a point about picking the best candidate to do battle, and Huck has the talent to communicate in a personable way. BUT
*
*
Face it. Like Huck, or not, HE CONNECTS WITH PEOPLE, much like Sarah. The guy will win if he runs. Huck/Palin would CRUSH Obama.
marklmail on November 7, 2008 at 11:20 AM
Anchor?
She is more the Helm than any anchor.
kybowexar on November 7, 2008 at 11:20 AM
I see Sarah Palin as the trigger that picked the Republican party up …em> – Carbon
Agreed, if McDole had chosen another RINO like himself, a lot more ‘Pubs would’ve stayed home.
Tony737 on November 7, 2008 at 11:20 AM
Yous gets eats…
right2bright on November 7, 2008 at 11:20 AM
There’s a lot of her to love.
wise_man on November 7, 2008 at 11:21 AM
Here
abinitioadinfinitum on November 7, 2008 at 11:21 AM
Elvis ain’t dead!!!!
carbon_footprint on November 7, 2008 at 11:21 AM
I liked him – voted in the primaries for him. Yes, he’s stiff and all that – but at the time I thought he knew his business.
However, I’d walk over glass for Sarah, if it were required – (and a got a good health plan out of it…laugh)
kybowexar on November 7, 2008 at 11:22 AM
If you think Romney can’t get past the Mormon thing, how do you think Jindall will do when the media starts talking about his college paper where he talks about participating in an exorcism?
Bill Scrunty on November 7, 2008 at 11:22 AM
Yeah, c_f cleared me up on that, my mistake. You have my apologies. Cookie?
Bwahahahah.
*eats*
Grue in the Attic on November 7, 2008 at 11:22 AM
I’ve come to like Huck, but seriously why would a someone with 66 per cent support want to be on the bottom of the ticket with someone with 12 per cent support?
CanadianGuy on November 7, 2008 at 11:22 AM
Isn’t 90% about how many Republican voters actually vote for the Republican candidate on a good year?
Count to 10 on November 7, 2008 at 11:22 AM
Notice how they put one post for Palin, and the responses light up.
It was the last one put up, and now has the most posts. The interest is intense…now how to keep it going…
right2bright on November 7, 2008 at 11:22 AM
Huck/Palin…. The left would cast that ticket as the religious nut bunch… fair or unfair.
Palinpuma on November 7, 2008 at 11:23 AM
She could now coast to the nomination in 2012 if she wants it.
Honestly, I have to thank John McCain for one thing: Bringing Sarah Palin to our attention. I am not sure she could have won in 2012 without the national exposure that this campaign gave her.
Its extremely hard to win a nomination without national name recognition. But thanks to this campaign, Sarah has the highest approval rating of any nationally known Republican.
And given that Obama is Jimmy Carter Part Deux, I think she will coast to the general election victory as well.
Norwegian on November 7, 2008 at 11:23 AM
I would have probably voted for Mac still because I loathe Obama’s policies so much. However, you are right that MANY people would have stayed home. I know that I wouldn’t have made donations, nor would I have put up the yard sign/bumper sticker on my truck. Palin’s name on that ticket gave me a sense of pride that would not have been there with McCain/Ridge, etc.
carbon_footprint on November 7, 2008 at 11:23 AM
If chocolate chips are involved, yes! *eats*
Pasalubong on November 7, 2008 at 11:23 AM
Forget Huck, he can’t win…not unless he cleans up his past with some kind of Jedi trick.
right2bright on November 7, 2008 at 11:24 AM
So Palin brings in the GOP … which was her job
not only that … she draws thousands of people in support of her candidate in the battleground states while crazy uncle Joe draws 400
pretty successful VICE PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE … she was so good at it that she in fact changed what is expected from the vp candidate
joey24007 on November 7, 2008 at 11:25 AM
Would it be too much to ask to actually get a real conservative candidate for once?
Huck makes me throw up in my mouth every time I see him.
wccawa on November 7, 2008 at 11:25 AM
Huck/Palin…. The left would cast that ticket as the religious nut bunch… fair or unfair.
*
We need to stop caring what THEIR voters care about. The country is still center-right. Don’t let anyone brainwash you. Huckabee/Palin appeal to everyone from center-right to right.
marklmail on November 7, 2008 at 11:26 AM
Don’t count Obama out for 2012, he will be pulled to the left, but he knows to get re-elected he has to move right. Within 6 month, end of June, we will know if he caters to the left,or he wants re-election more…Carter never bent, Clinton did.
right2bright on November 7, 2008 at 11:26 AM
She can earn that 9 percent back by brushing up on some national issues she hasn’t dealt with in Alaska. She needs to somehow find a way to appeal to the middle and moderate democrats.
Palinpuma on November 7, 2008 at 11:26 AM
JUST for argument’s sake… what’s HIS approval rating?
*eats*
Grue in the Attic on November 7, 2008 at 11:26 AM
Huckabee’s problem is that he hasn’t shown much respect for the other two branches of the Republican party. Sara has.
Count to 10 on November 7, 2008 at 11:27 AM
Sarah is going to do what Sarah does. Leave her alone.
Because if you leave her alone, yet put a bug in her ear, she may do something unexpected. Like possibly run for Senator!
Just giving you all some “ideas”.
upinak on November 7, 2008 at 11:27 AM
I love Sarah Palin!! Have I said that before???
That polls indicates that the public just doesn’t know Jindal, Pawlenty, etc.
Huck will not make it and if he gets an ounce of support from the re-tooled RNC, I’ll scream
I heard Jindal being interviewed last night and then again today on Laura Ingraham. WOW! Honestly, I don’t think I’ve heard him speak before last night. NOW I understand what all the fuss is about! Last night he said he’s going to Iowa within days. (Maybe it was Sean Hannity interview). Was he on the radio? Forgive me. I think it was Sean who teased him about going to Iowa and Jindal just grinned and said, “Oh, I’ve never been to Iowa. I want to see the cornfields.”
Let’s go!
Oink on November 7, 2008 at 11:28 AM
Mike Chuckabee. The. Most. Obnoxious. Man. In. America.
anniekc on November 7, 2008 at 11:28 AM
The appeal need to have more to do with convincing them of the right policies and less to do with self positioning.
Count to 10 on November 7, 2008 at 11:28 AM
Center right doesn’t win elections, better read Coulter column today…I don’t always agree with her, but on this one I do. The conservative right wins election, the middle right loses elections, and the left beats the middle right.
right2bright on November 7, 2008 at 11:28 AM
Thanks. Great stuff there!
ncc770 on November 7, 2008 at 11:29 AM
Huck’s a nice man, but he’s not a viable candidate for higher office.
He’s governed AK like a RINO or even a Democrat.
The only real Conservative position he has is pro-Life and that won’t cut it.
Sorry.
No more Huck.
He’d be more of a drag on Sarah than McCain.
Jenfidel on November 7, 2008 at 11:29 AM
Palin Victory
1/2 cup Reagan
1/4 cup Teddy Roosevelt
1 Tbsp GWB
Bake until 2012.
Sprinkle with Victory and serve HOT.
portlandon on November 7, 2008 at 11:29 AM
I bought my Palin 2012 bumper stickers yesterday. Go to http://www.spaldinggopstore.com/sarah_palin.htm
As for Romney, how long is it going to take us to learn that “cold” and “calculating” gets us nowhere? Romney would have been drawn and quartered by the Obamessiah movement. Remember the “seven houses” thing with McCain? It would have been exponentially worse with Romney.
Anyway, Romney’s conservatism is just a little too skin-deep for me. We have young, solid conservative leadership coming up in the GOP. We need to use it.
Gina on November 7, 2008 at 11:30 AM
She has some things to accomplish between now and announcing her candidacy. Write a book, maybe on energy independence, maybe on being a living example of conservative ideals. Do the press tour to promote the book. Travel overseas, maybe for a charitable cause. Speak at conservative seminars. Stay in Alaska but remain in the national discussion. Stay FAR away from Washington, D.C. Show an interest in foreign policy. Don’t be afraid to ask questions and admit that you don’t know or understand some things.
If she wants it, she would most assuredly be the frontrunner in 2012. And her fundraising ability will be the stuff of legend.
BardMan on November 7, 2008 at 11:30 AM
She’ll be back, and I love Sarah. I understand that she was put in a bit of a untainable position with little prep to full ingrain herself in national issues so I would suggest she do what Reagan did after losing to Ford in 1976.
Ingrain yourself with the politics of the day, and get some true Red Blood (Not Blue Blood softies!!) Conservative intellectuals to help you develop a solid understanding of conservative positions on National Security as well as Economical policies on a national level. Her instincts are right but perhaps this was a little to fast. Develop your policy positions with other conservative governers (like Bobby who was beyund excellent today on Laura Inghram’s show). Like Bobby said today, our ideas are better and stays with in the frame work he Founders developed for this country compare to the Dimbo Crats.
Dritanian on November 7, 2008 at 11:31 AM
We have that problem here in New Jersey
and Jindal said it today
when offered a choice between a liberal democrat and a liberal republican
they are going to pick the real one every single time
joey24007 on November 7, 2008 at 11:31 AM
Hey guys….
Please DO NOT put Sarah up on a cloud and worship her. She is NOT B.O. and making her a saint will NOT help the moderate voters. It will anger them more.
upinak on November 7, 2008 at 11:31 AM
Um-Duh? Hello? 20,000+ at her rallies. McCain-200 at his.
Highest rated convention speech. Highest rated VP debate (beat the Pres. debates). Highest ratings for SNL in 14 years when she is on. But she was the reason he lost-right…Gov. Palin is the future of the conservative movement.If you don’t like it get out of her way. She’s a good shot. You betcha’!
Babino on November 7, 2008 at 11:31 AM
Senator Palin fighting tooth and nail against Sr’s Boxer, Clinton and Feinstein would be total awesomeness.
carbon_footprint on November 7, 2008 at 11:32 AM
When the wife gets a little romantic now she says you betcha and that’s all it takes for me shut down the computer
dog gone it were off to the sack!!!!!!!!!
driver on November 7, 2008 at 11:32 AM
We will see, I don’t think it will turn people off as much as Mitt being a Mormon. No, it isn’t fair. Romney was my second cnoice after FRed.
abinitioadinfinitum on November 7, 2008 at 11:32 AM
Oh no, don’t worry. She is imperfect. She has… Um. Let me get back to you on those imperfections when I can actually think some up.
carbon_footprint on November 7, 2008 at 11:33 AM
Seems he still has a lot of support. He can buy a lot of it anyway.
Well and then why we lost Virginia and North Carolina and Florida? She should have locked those states with the conservative vote? Seems to me that a large chunck of this voting block stood home and now they are blaming McCain.
clemycali on November 7, 2008 at 11:33 AM
Interesting, but 4 years is a long time. I bet a totally different crop of candidates will emerge by then.
Vashta.Nerada on November 7, 2008 at 11:33 AM
…Carter never bent, Clinton did. – R2B
Haha so THAT’S why they call him the ‘Bent-one’! I thought was, you know, something else haha
Tony737 on November 7, 2008 at 11:33 AM
Maybe, but personally, I don’t care if we never have another presidential candidate who’s been a Senator.
That place does something (bad) to people. Look around.
Jenfidel on November 7, 2008 at 11:34 AM
I agree, BardMan. And while I saw that her time as governor of Alaska was good for her resume, it wasn’t complete to be president if the situation arose. But then again, she (if she was with an elected McCain) would be there with a fully staffed administration. I feel confident that she would make the right decisions, as that’s the job of a president.
And with Obama, I have very little confidence in his ability to make the right decisions. And his resume was thinner than Sarah Palins is now. But he did write two books. Or His good buddy Bill Ayers did. Depending on who you ask.
So, as you say – it would be in her best interests to be a living example of conservative ideals. She’s got 4 or 8 years to strengthen her resume and image, which was tarnished by the media and the democrats.
wise_man on November 7, 2008 at 11:34 AM
I can certainly understand why the progressives, socialists, are they still called Democrats, have an unfavorable view of her. They know she could have delivered this election to the Republicans if those non whiney handlers had let her loose.
Now for the unaffiliated voters she somply didn’t have time to work on them.
I am not sure the Palin name will be viable by the time 2012 gets here, but between her and some other conservative voices they may be able to once again overcome the stereotype of the Republican party has greedy evil folks.
The Republicans have a golden oppurtunity to once again connect with the middle class, which the Dems through their demonizing rhetoric have managed to turn to their side.
It is time to make the case that the union leadership does not speak for the union member. Tie it into the legislation over the union voting law and how it takes away their rights. Go ahead and play the class warfare battle of non union worker against union worker. Point out how non union businesses are still managing to succeed even in this tough economic climate.
Oh let me shut up. What do I know? I am just some racist redneck from the south.
Just A Grunt on November 7, 2008 at 11:34 AM
No, you’re right, but I don’t think most of us are doing that. We don’t want a plaster-of-paris saint, we want a fighter, and she certainly is that.
And Jindal is awesome, by the way. I definitely want him on the ticket with her.
Gina on November 7, 2008 at 11:34 AM
I was thinking about that. But there seems to be enough self-depreciating humor involved to keep it from really being a problem. Besides, it more of a shield from the pounding the press has/will give her.
Count to 10 on November 7, 2008 at 11:34 AM
McCain got more than 200 people at his rallies, Babino.
wise_man on November 7, 2008 at 11:35 AM
I will have to disagree with anybody who believes that we need to take some time and not worry about 2012
Do you realize how much money and grassroots effort it is going to take to defeat Obama?
He started running for President 4 years ago … he spend nearly 1 Billion dollars
Now he has the bully pulpit and the communications network to get out there even more
The time is now
Now … I don’t believe in simply elevating one person today but something has to start happening
joey24007 on November 7, 2008 at 11:35 AM
Very good point!
abinitioadinfinitum on November 7, 2008 at 11:35 AM
Point taken. But the candidates will actually start sorting themselves out a lot earlier than that. Heck, people are even saying Jindal is sort of taking the first step by speaking at a conservative conference in Iowa later this month.
We’ll know the main contenders in the first part of 2011. It’s not that far off.
BardMan on November 7, 2008 at 11:36 AM
well she has a good start on the conservative convention circuit. She has already been invited to speak at the 2009 CPAC conference.
ousoonerfan15 on November 7, 2008 at 11:37 AM
Good point. A year ago it was suppose to be Rudy vs. Hillary. Yeah, how did that turn out?
terryannonline on November 7, 2008 at 11:37 AM
Vash… but Huck already has a sign up for 2012. How can one weed thru the B.S. without knowing what flowers are popping up in the fields.
upinak on November 7, 2008 at 11:37 AM
Do you realize how important, with these numbers, that Palin will be to the fund raising efforts for congressional candidates in the next 2 years?
or a Jindal … they need to get out there
The appeal of Obama was that he was in the spotlight … that is why he was able to beat the “qualifications” charge
for some reason, the media and public believe that running for president means that you are ready to be president
we need to use that strategy
joey24007 on November 7, 2008 at 11:38 AM
Should be interesting. Huck will have a LOT more money for 2012. He had NOTHING this go around. You’ll see.
marklmail on November 7, 2008 at 11:38 AM
I’m curious:
If she forms a PAC, can she start raising money already?
BardMan on November 7, 2008 at 11:38 AM
Although, I must say already: Anybody but Romney in 2012! He seems like a nice guy and all but he just doesn’t connect with people.
terryannonline on November 7, 2008 at 11:38 AM
No one wants Huck.. but a small group.
upinak on November 7, 2008 at 11:39 AM
Yes, she or anyone can.
upinak on November 7, 2008 at 11:39 AM
A-freakin’-men.
*eats*
Grue in the Attic on November 7, 2008 at 11:40 AM
So that would be the logical first step.
BardMan on November 7, 2008 at 11:40 AM
Well, at least now I can start believing the polls.
Jim Treacher on November 7, 2008 at 11:40 AM
Byron York was talking about this today on Ingraham.
He expects Palin to be the GOP’s biggest fundraiser over the next cycle. If you were a Republican running for Congress who would you want to be on stage with you at a rally? Let me see … is it .. Palin!!!
So Palin will probably take a weekend or 2 each month in the lower 48 doing the speaking and fundraising circut and, of course, building a network and earning favours.
CanadianGuy on November 7, 2008 at 11:40 AM
91% of Republicans have a favorable view of her. That’s 50+ million people. If we just give her $50 each, she would raise $2.5 Billion.
She would easily match or even exceed Obambi’s fundraising.
Norwegian on November 7, 2008 at 11:41 AM
Bobby Jindal is already campaigning in Iowa.
abinitioadinfinitum on November 7, 2008 at 11:41 AM
Don’t believe the polls, people … they’re run by the corrupt MSM … oh … wait …
CanadianGuy on November 7, 2008 at 11:41 AM
Whaddaya mean, “despite”?
Jim Treacher on November 7, 2008 at 11:42 AM
Details.. details. But you are right and everybody goes ballistic on McCain but nobody put on the table other reasons for his defeat. The lack of money, the lack of a grass root movement, the base lack of enthusiasm to get out and vote even when Palin was on the ticket and the effectivness of MSM.
McCain made mistakes but being so ungrateful to him is not the solution.
clemycali on November 7, 2008 at 11:42 AM
when Putin invades Ukraine and wherever else, she needs to release a Reagan-esque response.
heard a Dem at work this week talk about how horrible and unqualified Palin was. She claimed that the only reason Palin had anything was because of her husband….also heard some Trig Trutherism crap and she ended conversations with “Yes We Can”. Yes, really.
the reaction from the Left and media to Palin has been very interesting.
jp on November 7, 2008 at 11:42 AM
All I know is we can’t nominate her in 2012. I talked to A LOT of independent voters that said they loved or respected John McCain, but couldn’t stand Sarah Palin. Plus, there’s no way she would beat Obama in a one-on-one matchup.
Just my $0.02
nickj116 on November 7, 2008 at 11:42 AM
well he is giving one speech in Iowa City this winter. I dont know if that is campaigning. Dont get me wrong it is VERY interesting that he is coming to Iowa to give this speech.
ousoonerfan15 on November 7, 2008 at 11:42 AM
That’s what I’m saying, my delightful friend. I was wrong about the polls. Which is nice, because I like this one.
Jim Treacher on November 7, 2008 at 11:43 AM
Sarah is why I actually started to give a damn again about politics. I dragged 3 children 5 and under to an outdoor rally in the the cold at night for about 6 hours, just to experience her in the flesh. Do I view her very favorably? You betcha.
I look to Palin, and others like her, to bring about a restructuring of the GOP. Got to have some optimism about the next 4 to 8 years, don’t cha know.
Anna on November 7, 2008 at 11:43 AM
Anyone think that IF Palin runs, she’ll opt to take public financing?
HAHAHA!
BardMan on November 7, 2008 at 11:43 AM
**SMACKS JIM**
Where have you BEEN, Young man! I need you rwit and humor during the election to keep my sanity!
I lost it sometimes the next day.
upinak on November 7, 2008 at 11:43 AM
I agree … His slogan would have to be “I spent a bazillion dollars and lost to the old man who lost to the black dude. Gimmee another chance.”
CanadianGuy on November 7, 2008 at 11:43 AM
Huck is one of the problems, certainly not a solution. He is GWB junior. McCain ran on much the same platform. We need a true conservative. Palin had two of the three legs in 2008, and that was not enough. Social, military and econ are all required to win elections – I submit that the 7 million non-voters were the econs who did not have a candidate.
Vashta.Nerada on November 7, 2008 at 11:44 AM
McCain should have announced Palin way before the date he did … I don’t care if that would have made Obama pick somebody else
I didn’t donate money until Palin was selected … I still had the Romney sign in the yard lol
Republicans like Palin … they dealt with McCain
joey24007 on November 7, 2008 at 11:45 AM
Jindal will be cast as too young by MSM and a crazy ‘christianist’ who participates in excorisms.
though wouldn’t bother me, because watching Charles Johnsons head explode would be classic.
Palin has an advantage though, she is an Evangelica. Jindal is a Catholic. In primary that bodes well for Palin
jp on November 7, 2008 at 11:45 AM
I call B.S. on your crappy little arguement.
upinak on November 7, 2008 at 11:45 AM
Palin/Jindal in ‘09!
stonemeister on November 7, 2008 at 11:45 AM
Romney lost because of lack of authentic personality, not because of being a Mormon. If he stops coming off as a used car salesman or Amway rep. in the next four years, then he can run again. Otherwise, it is time to move on.
I do have to say that I agree with what Zo said about charisma, which is why Huckabee is an intriguing choice. He can definitely give a set speech, an extemp. speech, and win a debate. But he is too much of a cartoon now to win again. I’m concerned that Palin may have turned into such a caricture during the campaign, which is sad because she has the same mad political skillz as Huckabee.
As for the other choices, I’m really not convinced with either Pawlentry or Jindal now.. Both are policy wonks and have really interesting ideas, but could either of them sell the ideas as well as a Huckabee or Palin. I’ve seen snippets of both, and they aren’t the most charismatic speakers in the world. I’m especially concerned about some Republican elites getting excited about Jindal because of the obvious Messiah comparisons.
Illinidiva on November 7, 2008 at 11:45 AM
With Jindahl running do you know what that means?
We not see a “white” president in the white house for a 8-12 years…and maybe not a “white” male for 16-20 years.
No big deal, just something to ponder and wonder…only in America.
right2bright on November 7, 2008 at 11:45 AM
Hopefull this is going to happen. Why I am a little skeptickal about this?
clemycali on November 7, 2008 at 11:45 AM
Lets face it.
1. Romney is an accomplished guy, but he comes across as too polished and not likable.
2. Jindal is very impressive, but he is too young and not well known nationally enough to win a nomination in 2012.
3. Newt is so 1990s.
4. Huckabee has a narrow following among big goverment evangelicals, will never win the nomination. Trust me.
Sarah Palin is well known, has extremely high approval ratings, and has support among every single tenant of the GOP: Fiscal conservatives, social conservatives, national security conservatives and libertarians. She is a star and will win in 2012 if she wants it.
Norwegian on November 7, 2008 at 11:46 AM
I wonder what Barack “57 states” Obama’s approval rating is among geography teachres?
MarkTheGreat on November 7, 2008 at 11:46 AM
We need our own Soros to funnel money into 2012 for us. Obama will have a fortune, much of it from overseas.
jp on November 7, 2008 at 11:46 AM
Palin will be a completely different person when she kicks off in 2010 her grassroots prez run. I think she will team up with one other strong republican (Jindal) and run as a team.
Firebird on November 7, 2008 at 11:47 AM
Yep, looks like the Obama ‘12 astroturfing is already in full swing.
Jim Treacher on November 7, 2008 at 11:48 AM
Thinking about 2012 is all well and good but I think the economy will be so bad that we should be thinking about finding the RIGHT people for the 2010 election we should have no problem getting there attention by say
01/25/2009
driver on November 7, 2008 at 11:48 AM
Who the f*@! cares? It’s what’s on the inside that counts! We’re conservatives, not libs, color doesn’t matter here.
stonemeister on November 7, 2008 at 11:48 AM
Obama had a truckload of money in 2008 and all it bought was 52%. Yes he will likely have more in 2012 but I don’t know how much more money one can actually spend on a presidential race. He had ads running around the clock for weeks and still ended up with something like $80 million in the coffers.
BardMan on November 7, 2008 at 11:48 AM
How could he be dead, he just voted?
MarkTheGreat on November 7, 2008 at 11:48 AM
She’s going to need someone with serious FP cred. The world is about to go to complete hell. It’ll be a major issue in 2012, MSM will cast her as unquaified unlike Obama.
she may have to pick an old white dude with FP experience. another Cheney in other words
jp on November 7, 2008 at 11:49 AM
If I ask for a steak.. do I get a liberal on my plate?
upinak on November 7, 2008 at 11:49 AM
That speech is next weekend I believe… And yes, Jindal is testing the waters. The only reason that the Governor of Lousiana would go to IA or be invited to speak in IA is because he has national ambitions.
Illinidiva on November 7, 2008 at 11:49 AM
the wildcard is if Obama is able to change people over to Collectivsm. It appears he’s going to run a constant campaign to attempt this
jp on November 7, 2008 at 11:50 AM
Fred!
LOL I could actually see that!
upinak on November 7, 2008 at 11:50 AM
Maybe she’ll pick McCain.
/sarc
BardMan on November 7, 2008 at 11:50 AM
He couldn’t announce her earlier. I am still convinced that she was not his first choice for diffrent reasons (lack of a more consistent experience on the national stage was one of them)but he picked her instead of the pressure to get Romney the vp slot. She was suppose to do 2 things:to bring home the base and the female vote. She did partially well with the base (1 milion GOP voters were a no show on the election day) and so and so with the women and quite poorely with the moderates and the independents. Now this can be changed that this is another topic of discussion.
clemycali on November 7, 2008 at 11:51 AM
I wonder how many people caught that one?
DaveC on November 7, 2008 at 11:51 AM
The left would say that about any Republican who’d ever driven past a church, much less been in one.
MarkTheGreat on November 7, 2008 at 11:51 AM
NO! You mean the beltway elitists are wrong?! They didn’t understand the base and show incredibly poor judgement?! Never!
As has been said before, all the advisers trashing her should never work for another campaign.
batter on November 7, 2008 at 11:51 AM
It will be impressive to see how you get elected in 2012 without the RINOs!
mycowardice on November 7, 2008 at 11:51 AM
It appears Jindal has his own ambitions.
CanadianGuy on November 7, 2008 at 11:51 AM
What she said, we are all we have left
*eats*
Grue in the Attic on November 7, 2008 at 11:52 AM
Not enough, likely
*eats*
Grue in the Attic on November 7, 2008 at 11:52 AM
the MSM was set to label the Convention speech as the greatest speech since MLK, picking Palin completey undercut that narrative which was huge. although now the inauguration address will be the greatest speech of all of history I’m sure
jp on November 7, 2008 at 11:53 AM
Honestly, it looks like everyone on both sides of the aisle is expecting a failed Obama presidency. I like that – can we just start every thread with the phrase: the failed policies of the Obama administration?
Vashta.Nerada on November 7, 2008 at 11:53 AM
Hot Air did a poll about “who would you vote for,” and it listed groups like a Christian, a woman, a black person, Mormon, or Atheist. Mormon was just above Atheist, that is why I say it’s because of his Mormonism.
abinitioadinfinitum on November 7, 2008 at 11:53 AM
The only Conservative I like more than her….Uh…Well…Jindal, but I really don’t like looking at him as much as her.
Tim Burton on November 7, 2008 at 11:54 AM
No need to be sarcastic with McCain. The man did the best he could. Do you honestly think that Romney would have done better?
clemycali on November 7, 2008 at 11:54 AM
Meh, I guess I’m in the 9% who is not a fan of Palin.
If all she can get is 91% of Republicans, she would never win the general election. As much as we would like to deny the electoral center, they still matter, and it’s the center that her favorable ratings are lopsided.
haner on November 7, 2008 at 11:54 AM
It’s pretty much known that McCain thought the most maverick pick was Lieberman and he wanted him until someone leaked it and he got people begging and threatening him not to do it. And that was less than a month before the convention.
CanadianGuy on November 7, 2008 at 11:54 AM
You’re very close to being an Astroturfer with that “anecdote.”
Betcha none of those “independents who said they loved or respected McCain” pulled the R lever on Tuesday, either.
Sarah’Cuda–after 4 more good years as Gov. of AK and after Barry has run the country into the ground–can easily beat him.
The voters wanted the Black Guy and now they’ve got him.
This is the only thing Barry had going for him and in 2012, that will be gone.
Jenfidel on November 7, 2008 at 11:54 AM
That’s exactly what I’ve been thinking. I have no impulse to urge future career moves on her. Her instincts are so very keen that she has the potential to be the leader we so desperately need. I’m content to wait, watch, and swing into action when she signals her intentions.
Right now, she deserves some time with her family. Can’t wait for the 1st Grandchild!
RushBaby on November 7, 2008 at 11:55 AM
I’m starting to get tired of the independents and moderate argument
That is McCain’s job … how many times did you have to deal with “only McCain can bring the independents, only he can win the middle”
That was his job … blame him
joey24007 on November 7, 2008 at 11:55 AM
Yes, I do – the economic meltdown could be blamed more effectively on members of congress than governors, and no ties to Bush. I can’t say he would have won, but he would have done better.
Vashta.Nerada on November 7, 2008 at 11:55 AM
Mitt and Huck cancel each other out. Both are petty and neither will accept the other as President. Their followers would riot if the other guy got selected.
Its like the 1970s. Mitt Romney has become the Nelson Rockefeller of the Party and Huckabee the Phil Crane of the party. Neither has enough of the base to get behind him as the other part of the base would rather sit out than back them.
William Amos on November 7, 2008 at 11:56 AM
I will start if you start
upinak on November 7, 2008 at 11:56 AM
Upinak, you can call BS all you want, but Palin needs Independents to win. She’s not popular with Indies, therefore, no win.
I’m thinking rationally. It has nothing to do with whether I like her or not, which I do, btw.
nickj116 on November 7, 2008 at 11:56 AM
Deal
Vashta.Nerada on November 7, 2008 at 11:57 AM
we just nominated the center candidate … remember?
oh and the center hated Reagan after 1976 too … right?
Gerald Ford was the center
George HW Bush was the center
awesome
when Republicans obviously go to the center … they lose
joey24007 on November 7, 2008 at 11:57 AM
yeah, Bristol is getting big.. I remember waddling around being that big as well. I also remember being pregnant as a teenager… I understand how she feels.
upinak on November 7, 2008 at 11:57 AM
That has a pretty ring to it. lol
abinitioadinfinitum on November 7, 2008 at 11:58 AM
Huck wouldn’t be able to carry the western states e.g. UT, CO, ID, WY, basically anywhere with a substantial LDS population. Many of us LDS conservatives will not have forgotten his treatment (and his followers’) of Mitt even after he dropped out. Maybe it would work out if he apologized and called on his followers to stop the anti-LDS ranting (Al ozarka and apacalyps come to mind). I personally will never vote for him unless he proves that he is more fiscally conservative and acts less holier than thou.
drflykilla on November 7, 2008 at 11:58 AM
I have an idea, let’s do our own HA poll.
I am a Palin Conservative!
carbon_footprint on November 7, 2008 at 11:58 AM
Yeah and people here talked to a lot of people who were Democrats but were going to vote McCain because they were afraid of Obama, but as we learned all these personal stories meant shit in the end.
CanadianGuy on November 7, 2008 at 11:59 AM
If McCain had picked Romney or Pawlenty, it would have been a 49-state blowout. Sarah got the base excited and dragged McCain to an respectable 46% finish, but in the end McCain was at the top of the ticket and many on the right can’t stomach him no matter who he chose as his VP.
Can we please get over this notion that we need to appeal to the middle? McCain was the most moderate, centrist candidate in history for the GOP and see where that got us.
Reagan was an unabashed conservative who won two landslides.
Norwegian on November 7, 2008 at 11:59 AM
Here is your Fodder… now Moooooo.
FYI, She IS popular with Independents. She just isn’t KNOWN well enough because she was attacked (and still is) since they first stated her name.
It is the Inde’s that are liberal maggots whom should just be democrats. or the Constitutionalists/Federalists who are not doing anything but saying crap and not researching.
I would know I have enough of them as my friends and I am also Independent. I am NOT a Republican.
upinak on November 7, 2008 at 12:00 PM
Things change though. Your right she is not popular with independents right now. She spend time in the future wooing them.
terryannonline on November 7, 2008 at 12:00 PM
I can’t believe you’re trying to pull this “X needs independents to win” cr*p 2 days after we just got handed our heads with a candidate who was “guaranteed” to bring in indy voters!
Let Sarah and Jindal get the base on board and then we’ll worry about independents!
Jenfidel on November 7, 2008 at 12:01 PM
The reason Barry O did well with women was that he was a 46 year old man running against a 72 year old man.
Put a woman at the top of the ticket and I bet they flip on him.
William Amos on November 7, 2008 at 12:02 PM
True and everybody is tip toeing around the big gorilla in the room. The GOP base is fractioned and we lost 1 milion votes. 1 million people stood at home and watched Obama elected.
I like Palin but in my words of my husband:people were sick of Bush and the GOP.
She needs to appeal somehow to the center because as we saw clearly on tuesday we cannot win only with the base. And the demographic of the country is changing too.
And I do like Sarah Palin and I think she has potential to become a real leader.
clemycali on November 7, 2008 at 12:03 PM
nickj116, That’s probably because she was too partisan and was too fixated into the culture war idea… She can gain that support back from indies…
Palinpuma on November 7, 2008 at 12:03 PM
Look logically at the election. Barry got a couple of million more votes than Kerry, basically some kids and increased black turnout. McCain lost because over 7 million voters who turned out for Bush stayed home. They were the economic conservatives. We all know plenty of them. They will not vote for someone who complains about big oil or big business. They will also not vote for a McCain who signs a bailout deal a month before the election. They play jujitsu politics – they will allow a dem to be a liberal, they will not allow a republican to do so. They know that a liberal will always fail in the long run. Their strategy is simple – vote out liberal republicans, given that we have a two party system, that means a dem. Let the dem make a fool of himself, then defeat him with a conservative. Happens over and over. Independents were not the issue in this campaign – conservatives staying home was the issue.
Vashta.Nerada on November 7, 2008 at 12:04 PM
I 2nd that
driver on November 7, 2008 at 12:05 PM
At Drudge: FOXNEWS Greta Van Susteren obtains first post election interview with Gov. Palin… Van Susteren traveling to Alaska for extensive sit-down interview with Palin to air Monday night exclusively… Developing…
I guess I will break my Fox boycott for Greta.
carbon_footprint on November 7, 2008 at 12:05 PM
No the reason why Obama did well with women is because of the issues. Most women support abortion rights and universal health care. That’s it.
terryannonline on November 7, 2008 at 12:05 PM
Thanks.
carbon_footprint on November 7, 2008 at 12:06 PM
Why do people keep forgetting that she was the VP Candidate?
Her job is to attack the other side on everything 24/7
Its just that because she was such a target of the media … that is the only thing the people saw … her attacking and attacking
She was doomed from the start
Joe Biden attacked the Republicans every day on the trail … the only difference was that NOBODY CARED ABOUT HIM
therefore nobody saw him in action
Palin was on the news every single day
Had she been treated like a typical VP candidate, her negatives would not been nearly as high
joey24007 on November 7, 2008 at 12:07 PM
And I hope they have the stomach for Obama now.
Actually McCain got the independents and the moderates vbotes, the base was a no show. And combined with the greater number of democrats and esspecially black votes he won.You should look at the numbers at Rasmussen and then acuse McCain of not getting the independents vote. He did better with them than Bush. Where was the base? Ah, as somebody said:”they didn’t have stomach for him”.
clemycali on November 7, 2008 at 12:07 PM
Barry did well with single women; married women voted for McCain/Palin.
Jenfidel on November 7, 2008 at 12:09 PM
Nope. He’s already planning a trip to Iowa. He’ll go for it.
Oink on November 7, 2008 at 12:13 PM
I would bet that has more to do with their economic situation than gender.
Oink on November 7, 2008 at 12:14 PM
He still won the majority of women period. Married or not.
terryannonline on November 7, 2008 at 12:14 PM
How about McCain. He’ll probably be looking for work by then.
MarkTheGreat on November 7, 2008 at 12:14 PM
As am I… hard fast far-extreme right conservative, but not a registered Republican.
*eats*
Grue in the Attic on November 7, 2008 at 12:15 PM
Single women liked B.O. for 2 reasons.
Money and abortion.
That is it.
upinak on November 7, 2008 at 12:15 PM
I don’t think McCain would have fared better with Romney either. Romney (despite my fondness for him) has that rich, white, country club vibe going on at a time when diversity seemed to be in vogue with the average voter. I think Palin was a shrewd choice that appealed to social cons, fiscal cons, and working class women. The only drawback was her experience , which shouldn’t have been a big deal compared to Obama, but the media did their job well of trashing her to take the focus off Obama. I voted for McCain despite my dislike of him mostly for her sake.
drflykilla on November 7, 2008 at 12:16 PM
More than you might think.
BTW, thanks for all the fish.
MarkTheGreat on November 7, 2008 at 12:17 PM
The GOP will learn much from how Obama structured his ground game. We need to start, um, now.
marklmail on November 7, 2008 at 12:19 PM
I wonder how long the MSM is going to keep beating that horse. His speech on race relations just after Wright became notorious, was also supposed to be the greatest speech ever.
MarkTheGreat on November 7, 2008 at 12:19 PM
I simply don’t understand the pleasure some of you have by stabbing a man that deed a lot for the country and the party and practically sacrificed himself this year running against Obama with all the bagage that is the Bush administration. I simply cannot understand. Its beyond my power of understanding. Do you really think that bashing McCain is going to solve the problems? Its bad taste at maximum.
clemycali on November 7, 2008 at 12:19 PM
Like ACORN, but without the cheating and stealing – and people you aren’t afraid of.
marklmail on November 7, 2008 at 12:20 PM
I guess the good news (bad news for us) is that Obama will nominate liberal judges who support abortion rights and sign universal health care into law. Therefore, maybe women in 2012 will not be so reluctant to support Palin because they feel abortion rights was already protected by Obama’s picks.
terryannonline on November 7, 2008 at 12:21 PM
Maybe they’ll pass euthanasia laws. We’ll just put those broads down.
marklmail on November 7, 2008 at 12:24 PM
Barack pretty much got the same number of votes that Kerry did. McCain lost because he couldn’t get the people who voted for Bush to come out and vote for him.
MarkTheGreat on November 7, 2008 at 12:25 PM
McCain lost because he’s McCain.
Barry won because he’s black.
Jenfidel on November 7, 2008 at 12:27 PM
Abortion is not an issue. It is only for a small part of the conservative moevement. The initiative that was restricting abortion in South Dakota was voted down by a large margin. So it seems that even people in the deep blue state of SD think that abortion should be legal for various reasons evan they don’t morally aprove it.
Most of the single women that votd for Obama voted for his health care plan, for his so called tax breaks for the poors and although because he looks cool.
And a lot of women, evan they liked Palin, thought that she wasn’t really prepared to take the wheel in the case of a Mccain suddenly departure.
clemycali on November 7, 2008 at 12:28 PM
Some people can’t recognize that McCain’s defeat was partially base’s fault. If you don’t go out and vote you cannot complain of the outcome.
clemycali on November 7, 2008 at 12:30 PM
McCain spent two decades attacking Republicans in general, conservatives in particular at every opportunity. That’s why he lost. If pointing that out is “bashing”, then let the bashing continue.
MarkTheGreat on November 7, 2008 at 12:30 PM
McCain spent his entire political career kicking conservatives in the teeth. Then he begged us to believe him when he told us that he had changed.
Can you really fault people for doubting him?
MarkTheGreat on November 7, 2008 at 12:32 PM
Nope… the reason that the Messiah did well is because the economy tanked and he was the Democrat. Any Democrat who wasn’t named Eliot Spitzer or John Edwards would have won this year.
Illinidiva on November 7, 2008 at 12:32 PM
You are forgetting that Democrats always get the majority of women. Sometimes in larger numbers than other elections but they still always get the women vote.
terryannonline on November 7, 2008 at 12:37 PM
Fine if she is going to be the nominee in 2012, then we might as well start talking about who we will nominate in 2016 or those of us without the blinders on or a head up our @ss might as well just leave the party for good because there will be no limited government principles coming from them any time soon.
LevStrauss on November 7, 2008 at 12:37 PM
John McCain didn’t do very well …
I’m sorry, I couldn’t let that opportunity pass
joey24007 on November 7, 2008 at 12:38 PM
outspent by 5-1
huge organization
recession
despised sitting president
unpopular war
crashing stock market
specter of racism
AND THE GUY ONLY WON BY A FEW MILLION VOTES? He’d better kick ass, or we’re gonna kick HIS ASS.
marklmail on November 7, 2008 at 12:39 PM
The interesting poll would be what the independents think of her, not what republicans think of her. I HIGHLY doubt that independents have a positive view of her at all.
muyoso on November 7, 2008 at 12:40 PM
Republicans also had a favorable view of Bush. How would he do in future elections?
LevStrauss on November 7, 2008 at 12:42 PM
independents can be taken every other week depending on the situation of the country
that is why they are I N D E P E N D E N T
lmao … they like this candidate this week and that one the next
joey24007 on November 7, 2008 at 12:44 PM
I like hypothetical questions …
joey24007 on November 7, 2008 at 12:45 PM
I suppose he had no reasons to attack the republicans and the conservatives but judging after the Ted Stevens scandal he might have been right to do it.And the turnaround in Irak is actually McCain’s succes largely. He was screaming about the incompetence of the war effort and nobody was listening to him. You know he was attacking the republicans. Anyway if bashing McCain make you feel better that’s another story.
Yes but George Bush had nothing to do with that.You know…It was a colective blame but Bush was the president in function. We are going in circles not able to recongnize certain things and trying to put all the blame on McCain. He was not a conservative, he should have picked Palin earlier, no he should have been picked Romney instead. Romney would have done better because of his economic background. Its getting depressing.
clemycali on November 7, 2008 at 12:45 PM
True but its still McCain fault for not being conservative enough.
clemycali on November 7, 2008 at 12:47 PM
yes
marklmail on November 7, 2008 at 12:50 PM
Yes, they do because of the Sex in the City vote (i.e. single professional women). These women do care about abortion and liberal policies in the abstract (like universal health care). However, successful Republicans generally get the “soccer/ hockey mom” vote. These woman do care about health care, education, etc., but it is because they have to deal with these issues. Republicans must address kitchen table issues, but should do so in a conservative way (i.e. not government run health care or pumping money into failing schools).
Illinidiva on November 7, 2008 at 12:51 PM
Yes and they must put these issues in a simple language not in abstractions. People like what they can understand.
clemycali on November 7, 2008 at 12:53 PM
So throw “Unchallenging opponent” at the bottom of the list. The fact that Obama DIDN’T win a massive landslide is still saying something… the effort he put into this election was massive compared to McCain’s team, and he still only pulled a small margin lead. Enough to clearly win, but most certainly nothing like a Mandate From The People.
All the better when Obama-Sama turns out to be more of a Mannequin than a Messiah.
*eats*
Grue in the Attic on November 7, 2008 at 12:54 PM
word
marklmail on November 7, 2008 at 12:56 PM
I need a “Don’t blame me, I voted for Gov. Palin” bumpersticker.
Enoxo on November 7, 2008 at 12:56 PM
Never said that it was Bush’s or McCain’s fault. McCain lost mainly because of factors beyond his control. He did contribute to it by running an themeless campaign that was low on money and organization, but I think that even if McCain had run a textbook campaign, he still would have lost.
Illinidiva on November 7, 2008 at 12:56 PM
And if she takes off the security features like The One did, even YOU can give! And your friends!
hoosiermama on November 7, 2008 at 12:58 PM
Palin is Trig.
username on November 7, 2008 at 1:02 PM
It would have been difficult for any republican to bring new ideeas in this campaign or to win in the actual climate. Thats for I am upset with the people that are so eager to blame only McCain for the lost and not too look beyond that.
clemycali on November 7, 2008 at 1:03 PM
CafePress.com
Now, this may just be because I read a lot of fantasy, but I’m confused about what you mean by this. In certain cultures, “trig” means “quick-witted, crafty, cunning” so in that case I’d take it as a compliment.
You being you, though, probably are equating her to her baby, which is… confusing and illogical. Explanito por favor.
*eats*
Grue in the Attic on November 7, 2008 at 1:04 PM
I think you are retarded. But then again that is my opinion and I am sticking to it.
upinak on November 7, 2008 at 1:05 PM
Palin should be a shibboleth (Judges 12:5-6) for the Republican party.
If you like her, you can stay and play. If not…
29Victor on November 7, 2008 at 1:15 PM
No wonder the McCain folks dislike her so much. She is half their guy’s age and has twice the appeal and political instincts.
Elizabetty on November 7, 2008 at 1:16 PM
Agreed.. Which is why I’m not yet sold on either Pawlentry or Jindal yet. Both have lots of ideas, but I’m not sure that they can communicate these ideas in understandable terms.
Illinidiva on November 7, 2008 at 1:19 PM
Hello Mr. 9%. Go to Hell, do not pass Go, do not collect $200.
*eats*
Grue in the Attic on November 7, 2008 at 1:29 PM
I apologize, I misread that, thought it was a stupid slam. I’m an idiot. Sorry.
*lurks*
Grue in the Attic on November 7, 2008 at 1:30 PM
Well 69% of Republicans are wrong; they should read the polls that indicate she drove away independents in droves.
alex342 on November 7, 2008 at 1:36 PM
No you ain’t.
carbon_footprint on November 7, 2008 at 1:37 PM
Damn Straight! Sarah rocks.
Geochelone on November 7, 2008 at 1:37 PM
Nah. The most corrupt states would be Illinois and New York.
Guardian on November 7, 2008 at 1:38 PM
Groo? (I have issue #1 somewhere).
No harm, you stood up for the honor of a wonderful woman. I wish McCain would do the same.
But, yes, you are an idiot
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29Victor on November 7, 2008 at 1:38 PM
EARTH TO MOONBAT, COME IN MOONBAT
This poll isn’t “Who thinks Palin attracted Independents?”, this is “Who Likes Palin?”
To quote your Dark Lord George Sorostine, “You are not to speak. I don’t like you.”
*eats*
Grue in the Attic on November 7, 2008 at 1:38 PM
aka the STD vote.
Geochelone on November 7, 2008 at 1:39 PM
No, Grue
Thanks for the gentle rebuke. I have my slow moments. I shall be more vigilant in the future.
*eats*
Grue in the Attic on November 7, 2008 at 1:40 PM
Unfortunately, I suspect Bush and Palin put things in simple terms so well because they actually think in simple terms. Politicians do a terrible disservice to voters by dumbing down the complex problems the country faces. Either it belies a shallowness of thought on their part or it is condescending.
alex342 on November 7, 2008 at 1:40 PM
I wasn’t voting for pres if not for Palin. I also think Mccain’s trying to distance himself from Bush is a negative. At least for me.
maynila on November 7, 2008 at 1:42 PM
Excuse me, Grue, but it is you who are mistaken. I wasn’t referring to the 91% who like her but the 69% who think she helped the ticket. Also, you would be wise not to presume to know what my political leanings are based on an observation about poll numbers.
alex342 on November 7, 2008 at 1:44 PM
Grue in the Attic on November 7, 2008 at 1:40 PM
I figured. BTW, have you seen Zork Online?
Or (maybe even better) HHGTTG Online? You have a splitting headache and no tea.
29Victor on November 7, 2008 at 1:48 PM
First of all, there’s still quite a few trolls/ Obamabots here. Is Axelrod still paying you to astroturf?
As for communicating in “simple terms,” Obama’s entire message was Hope! and Change!, so if we use your logic, then the Messiah must be simple as well.
Illinidiva on November 7, 2008 at 1:48 PM
Sarah, Jindal and other REAL Conservatives are the future of our party.
Mitt and McCain are done.
AND IF EITHER HOPES TO RETAIN ANY CREDIBILITY AT ALL, THEY WILL STOP SARAH BASHIN’ RIGHT NOW!
ExTex on November 7, 2008 at 1:49 PM
Illinidiva on November 7, 2008 at 1:48 PM
Did I say Obama’s message wasn’t simple? Did I say anything about him at all? How the hell do you infer I’m an Obama supporter from anything I wrote? Good Lord, some of you people are paranoid. And no, no-one is paying me to “astroturf”.
alex342 on November 7, 2008 at 1:51 PM
Wow, you just don’t give up, do you?
So, Einstein and Fenyman could explain physics in simple terms because they were so simple? Same thing for C.S.Lewis and theology? Or Ronald Reagan and politics?
All morons I guess.
29Victor on November 7, 2008 at 1:54 PM
Yep. Have it bookmarked on my laptop, visit regularly when I have nothing else to do
Haven’t been able to do so lately due to stuff going on at home.
Now THAT I hadn’t seen! Thanks!
*eats*
Grue in the Attic on November 7, 2008 at 1:54 PM
No state comes close to New Jersey
joey24007 on November 7, 2008 at 1:59 PM
29Victor on November 7, 2008 at 1:54 PM
Sigh. No, I’m not saying anyone who tries to simplify is a moron. I’m saying that: (1) Sarah Palin is not Richard Feynman (I think her speech is on the level of her thinking); (2) Simplification is great if it helps provide clarity but not when it dumbs issues down to the point where they are distorted, or when it is done to flatter and condescend to the electorate for votes.
alex342 on November 7, 2008 at 1:59 PM
Grue in the Attic on November 7, 2008 at 1:54 PM
Note that you have to type “851108″ (no quotes) in the text-box toward the bottom of the page to go to the real game. (I don’t think it’s possible to link directly to the real game.)
29Victor on November 7, 2008 at 2:00 PM
Considering that you think that both Bush and Palin are morons, it’s quite easy to deduce the rest.
Illinidiva on November 7, 2008 at 2:01 PM
alex342 on November 7, 2008 at 1:59 PM
“Sigh?” Do you tire of the simple folk here, oh enlightened one.
So, your problem isn’t with her simplifying things, it’s that she “distorted” and “flattered?” Wait, I thought that you point was that she’s stupid, not that she lied and pandered. I thought that you didn’t like it when politicians in general spoke in “simple terms.”
If she’s a liar and flatter then she’s pretty darn smart because it worked, she was able to energize the base and got McCain a whole lot more support than he had had before he picked her.
So, either she spoke simply because she was stupid and couldn’t do any better, or because she was a really, really smart unscrupulous politician. Please pick one.
Or could it be that you’re just falling back on the same old petty, childish attack of calling your opponents stupid?
29Victor on November 7, 2008 at 2:07 PM
7 million fewer votes for McCain/Palin as compared to Bush/Cheney in 2004. So, the consensus is that she made sure it wasn’t 10 million?
Krydor on November 7, 2008 at 2:08 PM
Illinidiva on November 7, 2008 at 2:01 PM
Right, because all thinking about politics in the universe can be neatly divided into Bush/Palin and Obama categories. Since you accused me of being a Democrat, I’ll say that I’m a basically a traditionally conservative Canadian who thinks that it would behoove the American right to find more articulate spokespersons for their cause.
Newt Gingrich, for example, is someone who generally makes intelligent contributions to political discussion. Sarah Palin does not, however likeable she is otherwise. Who cares if she’s like regular people, whatever that even means. Voting is supposed to be about selecting the best leaders, not a narcissistic exercise in self-affirmation.
alex342 on November 7, 2008 at 2:09 PM
Sadly, yeah. I can just about bet that McCain’s numbers would have been significantly poorer without him. And the numbers support it.
*eats*
Grue in the Attic on November 7, 2008 at 2:11 PM
Slightly off-topic, but what is it with Canadians and poking into American politics? Every Canadian know seems more interested in American political goings-on than most Americans I know off this site. It’s weird.
*eats*
Grue in the Attic on November 7, 2008 at 2:12 PM
29Victor on November 7, 2008 at 2:07 PM
The sigh was at the unprovoked hostility, not because I think anyone else here is simple.
I don’t know Sarah Palin, all I have to go on is what I’ve heard her say. I don’t think she’s stupid, but I don’t think she brings anything constructive to the table by way of ideas. That’s not a crime, I wouldn’t either but then I wouldn’t accept the job of VP. So, in her case, I think the simplicity of her message is due to a deficiency on her part.
alex342 on November 7, 2008 at 2:17 PM
Grue in the Attic on November 7, 2008 at 2:12 PM
We think of ourselves as a mouse lying next to an elephant that could role over onto us at any time. So we pay close attention
alex342 on November 7, 2008 at 2:19 PM
That kind of explains it, I guess. Wasn’t meaning it as an insult or anything, I just thought it rather odd – and I mean it from all ends of the political spectrum, you and CanadianGuy as well as Dave Rywall and his ilk. Just a bit of curiosity I suppose
*eats*
Grue in the Attic on November 7, 2008 at 2:21 PM
Grue in the Attic on November 7, 2008 at 2:12 PM
What happens down there dramatically affects us up here.
Krydor on November 7, 2008 at 2:22 PM
McCain didn’t run his campaign as a moderate. Hell, I don’t know what his platform in the end was, it ended up being a weird mix of social conservatism and maverickism (or at least those were the dominant messages).
It’s too early to say who would be best for 2012. Obama could turn out to be an epic fail and then the Republicans can nominate any generic candidate and still win. Or Obama could become a great American president, in that case, you could run a Reagan and still lose. But if Obama is an average president, then I think we need a candidate who has the brains to explain conservatism and fiscal responsibility to the American people and be able to debate the incumbent and hold his own. Not a candidate who needs coaching herself.
If Palin in 2012 is exactly like the Palin I saw in 2008, then I won’t vote for her as the Republican nominee.
haner on November 7, 2008 at 2:52 PM
alex342 on November 7, 2008 at 2:17 PM
So she’s “deficiant” and “simple” but not stupid?
You said that that Bush & Palin were both “simple” and are either shallow or condescending and then have the nerve to say that any “hostility” toward you is unprovoked?
Grow a spine, man. If you’re going to come here and throw bombs at least have the decency to not act surprised when someone responds in kind.
29Victor on November 7, 2008 at 3:10 PM
… reflecting that, very possibly, Republican rejection of McCain/Palin at the polls (as reflected in low GOP voter turnout) was a rejection of McCain rather than a rejection of Palin.
Yeah… Bitter McCain staffers leaking anti-Palin rhetoric to the press would make sense if you think about it.
Lawrence on November 7, 2008 at 3:14 PM
In short. Populism. For the most part.
Lawrence on November 7, 2008 at 3:16 PM
Most moderates I know are fiscal, small government conservatives with secular (but not liberal) values. They tend to be professionals too. The Republican party lost this professional class vote this time by almost 2:1 margins. I feel Palin has limited appeal to this group of people.
haner on November 7, 2008 at 3:18 PM
Get your Palin 2012 bumper stickers here!
wryteacher on November 9, 2008 at 5:35 PM