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There comes a point where “uncommitted” becomes synonymous with “attention-seeking” or “stupid”. I’m about as interested in them now as I would what an uncommitted voter still thinks the day after the election. This election will be decided how motivated the “committed” today are to turn out on election day.
Marcus on October 7, 2008 at 11:46 PM
Pfffft. It’s a CBS pole. Might as well poll KOS.
Guardian on October 7, 2008 at 11:48 PM
And Drudge has McCain at 67% vs Obama at 29%
Connie on October 7, 2008 at 11:48 PM
that liberal bullcrap really works for ya, doesn’t is a@@wipe?
McCain, I hate that you’re my candidate. If it weren’t for Palin, I wouldn’t crap on my ballot.
Why do we trust CBS to pick “uncommitted” voters. Let’s look at the bright side folks, Mac basically held his own in an economic debate. BTW, Mac won CNN’s focus group. GN.
IR-MN on October 7, 2008 at 11:52 PM
CAN’T WE PLEASE HAVE PALIN DEBATE OBAMA?
PLEEEAAASSEE!!!??
I have never been and I have never known anyone polled in these things. It’s especially suspicious that they have it done so quickly. I call shenanigans.
There’s just too much at stake here to ‘let it ride’ as McCain did tonite. Not that I’m in love with him, but we cannot tolerate a Marxist like Obama in the White House. But we’re headed there. The only hope is that the Dems won’t be able to physically vote for him because they are inherently racist.
My initial reaction to the debate: Boring. Totally sucked. I turned the channel after an hour and flipped back and forth.
Right after the debate I thought a boring tie probably goes to Obama, but I didn’t marry myself to that final analysis, and I’m glad I didn’t.
I think a boring tie isn’t a win for either… but I do think it is a loss for Barry. He’s supposed to be able to take a boring debate and make it into wine. He’s suppose to be something different, and whether or not they like “The One” tag he has promoted it. He has called himself the great Hope.
But he wasn’t ANY of that in this debate. He added to the mediocrity, to the boring nature of the debate. He didn’t rise above it. He didn’t distinguish himself from politics.
The Democratic primary voters started to realize near the end they were sold a bill of goods because they began to actually hear nothing from him.
I’m starting to see the McCain debate strategy. McCain may be trying to drag these things down to expose the emptiness of The One.
It would’ve been the same before the debate. It would’ve been the same if there had been no debate. Welcome to The Narrative.
Jim Treacher on October 7, 2008 at 11:50 PM
Bingo. As I remarked to a conservative friend after the debate: When we think we lost, we lost. When we think we won, we lost.
It just doesn’t matter that much what we think. We never “win”, even when we do.
And honestly, when watching Fat Frank’s Focus Group, am I the only one who thought it was only SLIGHTLY for Obama? The show of hands looked pretty even, to me, with Obama having a few more but not that much more. Fat Frank spun it as a pretty big Obama win, and I sat there blinking and rubbing my eyes.
capitalist piglet on October 8, 2008 at 12:25 AM
There’s just too much at stake here to ‘let it ride’ as McCain did tonite. Not that I’m in love with him, but we cannot tolerate a Marxist like Obama in the White House. But we’re headed there. The only hope is that the Dems won’t be able to physically vote for him because they are inherently racist.
stonemeister on October 8, 2008 at 12:08 AM
I’m disappointed too. I wanted so much more from him. But when I think about it rationally, I really have to wonder how the attacks I was hoping for would have played in that format.
I want to hear that Marxist SOB called on his circle of associations, including Islamic radicals and Kenyan wannabe dictators. I want to hear him called out on his multiple positions on nearly every topic. On so many things. I want that skinny punk curled up in the fetal position on the floor.
But I’m not going to get it, and it’s probably a good thing I’m not in the business of politics, ’cause the polls would probably be even worse if I were in charge.
It just seems like “country first” – and I believe McCain means that, in spite of any policy disagreements I may have with him – doesn’t sell to Americans anymore. Experience no longer seems to sell. Honesty no longer seems to sell.
And that’s sad.
capitalist piglet on October 8, 2008 at 12:32 AM
Cap Pig,
Luntz’s group had to have been drinking. They all said it was an exciting debate. Must have been on a pre-debate part.
Rush Limbaugh were have destroyed Obama. Give me Rush! McCain listened to none of Rush’s many suggestions.
Did McCain even bring up ACORN? If McCain’s not going to mention ACORN, even on a day it was raided for election fraud, why is he the Republican nominee?
Did McCain mention that Hamas is supporting Obama, both philosophically and monetarily (as Atlas Shrugs has exposed)? If McCain isn’t going to mention Obama’s $200 million of fuzzy campaign contributions from our sworn enemies, why is he the Republican nominee?
Obama just needed a tie, just needed to show that he’s not a radical and that he’s not George Bush. He did that.
We have a disaster here — which is what you should expect when you delegate a non-conservative to make the conservative (nay, the American) case. We can parse it eight ways to Sunday, but I think the commentary is missing the big picture.
Here’s what Obama needed to do tonight: Convince the country that he was an utterly safe, conventional, centrist politician who may have leftward leanings but will do the right thing when the crunch comes.
Now, as the night went along, did you get the impression that Obama comes from the radical Left? Did you sense that he funded Leftist causes to the tune of tens of millions of dollars? Would you have guessed that he’s pals with a guy who brags about bombing the Pentagon? Would you have guessed that he helped underwrite raging anti-Semites? Would you come away thinking, “Gee, he’s proposing to transfer nearly a trillion dollars of wealth to third-world dictators through the UN”?
Luntz’s group had to have been drinking. They all said it was an exciting debate. Must have been on a pre-debate part.
Editor on October 8, 2008 at 12:34 AM
Yeah, I think “exciting” is possibly the last word I would have used to describe it. Maybe they were all just so darned “excited” to be on national television tonight.
capitalist piglet on October 8, 2008 at 1:07 AM
Uncommitted voters are those who don’t yet know who they will vote for, or who have chosen a candidate but may still change their minds.
Code for “democrat”.
Bwahahahahahaaaa!!!!!
csdeven on October 8, 2008 at 1:11 AM
JellyToast on October 7, 2008 at 11:52 PM
Maybe in 2012
p40tiger on October 8, 2008 at 1:44 AM
It’s also been shown more dems are on the web than republicans, therefore it skews every internet poll. Internet polls are a great way to learn what people on the net think, but those people are not even always american, let alone a good cross section of our society. Think of how many elderly people don’t even go onto the web.
Fifty-seven percent thought McCain answered the questions that were asked, and an identical percentage thought Obama did.
Obama answered the questions that were asked? What debate were these people watching?? From his very first answer to “Allen,” he merely spouted off, almost verbatim, the same things he’s said on the stump for months, the same material he says in his direct-to-camera minute-long TV spot (which aired on Denver’s CBS affiliate minutes before the debate started), and which he and SloJo spit out in each of their last respective debates. He did not answer at least the first few questions given him in any manner at all that differed from his previous positions and grandiose promises. Give me a break.
Captain Scarlet on October 8, 2008 at 5:49 AM
The only hope is that the Dems won’t be able to physically vote for him because they are inherently racist.
stonemeister on October 8, 2008 at 12:08 AM
A few weeks ago I was talking to the chairman of the democratic committee of a town over here in MA and he said pretty much the same thing. He then carried on about it not being the time for a black president and especially not BO. He said that the feeling was the same amongst other dems he knew and he suspected many would be voting McCain because of racisim. It was a very surreal conversation to say the least. He confides in me because he thinks I’m a libertarian which means I hate the Republicans as much as any dem.
jmarcure on October 8, 2008 at 7:03 AM
Welcome to The Narrative.
Jim Treacher on October 7, 2008 at 11:50 PM
That’s why I can say with great confidence who wins the debates days before they take place.
I didn’t watch the debate because I’m voting McCain and I knew that if I saw it and then read the news this morning I’d get the wife upset during morning coffee with my ranting about the delusional liberals and the in the tank MSM.
jmarcure on October 8, 2008 at 7:14 AM
I have never been and I have never known anyone polled in these things. It’s especially suspicious that they have it done so quickly. I call shenanigans.
malan89 on October 7, 2008 at 11:56 PM
I got polled at a mall once. The first question I was asked was what I was registered as. I said Independent which got me to the next question which was who I might vote for. I said Bush and the girl said thank you and that was it. There looked like a lot more questions on the form so I hung around and when the answer was Kerry from someone else she asked the rest of the questions which were all general ones about the state of the country. I suspect she was a Kerry supporter and was padding the data so to say.
jmarcure on October 8, 2008 at 7:24 AM
Oh come on guys, things could be worse. Congresswoman McKinney could win!
Browncoatone on October 8, 2008 at 7:26 AM
The bottom line is that Obama looked and did fine in last night’s debate. He’s a big leftist and he’s covering up his liberalism by rambling about the middle class. It’s McCain’s job to present a different view and to use his view to contrast (and expose) Obama’s commie tendencies. Can you really say McCain did that last night?
What exactly did McCain say last night? He’d tax your employer for health insurance and then push it back as a $5k tax credit. He’s going to spend $300 billion (hopefully of the bailout funds) buying bad loans to stabilize housing prices. But he’s going to give more tax deductions and he’s going to get “victory” in Iraq but will use diplomacy in Pakistan (and criticizes Obama for wanting to invade Pakistan).
RUSH LIMBAUGH UNDENIABLE TRUTH OF LIFE #3 (or whatever it is): You can’t out-Democrat a Democrat!
Outlander on October 8, 2008 at 7:30 AM
Oh come on guys, things could be worse. Congresswoman McKinney could win!
Browncoatone on October 8, 2008 at 7:26 AM
I tell people I’m voting for her because then I won’t feel guilty. Her being a Black female gives me the ability to proclaim I am not a racist or a sexist in one fell swoop. While some think I’m nuts others have said it sounded like a reasonable idea. I think they may have been just agreeing because they thought I was crazy and were afraid to set me off.
jmarcure on October 8, 2008 at 7:32 AM
Right. Uncommitted voters as identified by CNN and CBS.
Where on earth would CNN or CBS find someone who wasn’t already an activist Democrat liberal?
Jaibones on October 8, 2008 at 7:37 AM
I read someone last night projecting this scenario about 10 million times on election day:
The voter walks up to the voting booth, open the ballot, and looks two names:
John Sidney McCain
Barack Hussein Obama
And McCain wins every wavering voter right then and there. Except, I don’t believe that the Democrats have allowed the name “Hussein” to appear anywhere. No matter. Hopefully they’re right about “racism” – this asshole needs to stay out of that office.
Jaibones on October 8, 2008 at 7:40 AM
I’m as curious about these uncommitted voters as I was about last night’s “undecided” voters. Are they uncommitted whether to vote for Obama or to write-in Hugo Chavez’s name?
While flipping thru the stations after the debate caught one of the CBS “undecided” voters railing about eight years is enough blah, blah, blah, even the perky one had to ask if this guy was undecided before and how he was now transformed by the “one”. The media can not be trusted period.
Tobias2012 on October 8, 2008 at 8:30 AM
What are the odds you could find a room full of uncommitteds in Arlington, VA?
DrSteve on October 8, 2008 at 8:34 AM
barrypopik on October 8, 2008 at 12:38 AM
I think that I am with Rove on this one. Unless it comes up as an opportunity through a question to hit him on those issues, it would not work. With that in mind, I think that the questions chosen by Brokaw favored Obama. I listened carefully to each question and kept thinking, nope, cant do it here, nope, cant do it there. The only clear shot to hit him with anything was the questions about Afganistan. He could have leveled him with the “carpet bombing villages and killing civilans” comment. He hit him with “he’ll raise your taxes” and it was especially nice that he encouraged undecided voters to go to Citizen Against Gvt Waste etc…. to look at tax plans and kept referring to the Congressional voting records. All you can hope is that someone cares enough to go look.
I think that McCain and Obama are absolutely horrendous in debates. I think that he practices talking points and try to fit them in when they can. Sometimes I feel like they force them in where they dont belong and they sound stupid.
I really dont think that these 2 have solid foundations of ideals and principles that they can talk about in a forum like a debate. I do think that either one of them at your kitchen table could share their ideals with you, but they want to be President, not County Councilmen or small town Mayors.
OSUBuciz1 on October 8, 2008 at 8:35 AM
What are the odds you could find a room full of uncommitteds in Arlington, VA?
DrSteve on October 8, 2008 at 8:34 AM
NO KIDDING! Talk about liberal haven
OSUBuciz1 on October 8, 2008 at 8:36 AM
What are the odds you could find a room full of uncommitteds in Arlington, VA?
DrSteve on October 8, 2008 at 8:34 AM
You could, but most likely they wouldn’t know english, aren’t registered for anything, and work long hours putting up the buildings that are required to support the massive growth of government. But of all places, Arlington VA? That will be the last place that feels the recession and the first to recover.
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There comes a point where “uncommitted” becomes synonymous with “attention-seeking” or “stupid”. I’m about as interested in them now as I would what an uncommitted voter still thinks the day after the election. This election will be decided how motivated the “committed” today are to turn out on election day.
Marcus on October 7, 2008 at 11:46 PM
Pfffft. It’s a CBS pole. Might as well poll KOS.
Guardian on October 7, 2008 at 11:48 PM
And Drudge has McCain at 67% vs Obama at 29%
Connie on October 7, 2008 at 11:48 PM
that liberal bullcrap really works for ya, doesn’t is a@@wipe?
McCain, I hate that you’re my candidate. If it weren’t for Palin, I wouldn’t crap on my ballot.
(can you tell I’m pissed?)
lorien1973 on October 7, 2008 at 11:48 PM
Same as first debate and Obama got points from that one.
lorien1973 on October 7, 2008 at 11:48 PM
Well…only 40% said he won, so anything else is a win for McCain I suppose.
SouthernGent on October 7, 2008 at 11:48 PM
Well, that doesn’t sound bad. Obama still isn’t closing the deal.
Mark1971 on October 7, 2008 at 11:49 PM
Whatever.
Cardiganfox on October 7, 2008 at 11:50 PM
It would’ve been the same before the debate. It would’ve been the same if there had been no debate. Welcome to The Narrative.
Jim Treacher on October 7, 2008 at 11:50 PM
In 4 weeks how many people will even remember this debate?
Mark1971 on October 7, 2008 at 11:50 PM
3-0 so far, I predict an unbeaten streak! Let’s go 4-0.
Spirit of 1776 on October 7, 2008 at 11:51 PM
Lots more time to dismember what’s left of the free market.
Yay!
lorien1973 on October 7, 2008 at 11:51 PM
Why do we trust CBS to pick “uncommitted” voters. Let’s look at the bright side folks, Mac basically held his own in an economic debate. BTW, Mac won CNN’s focus group. GN.
IR-MN on October 7, 2008 at 11:52 PM
CAN’T WE PLEASE HAVE PALIN DEBATE OBAMA?
PLEEEAAASSEE!!!??
JellyToast on October 7, 2008 at 11:52 PM
I have never been and I have never known anyone polled in these things. It’s especially suspicious that they have it done so quickly. I call shenanigans.
malan89 on October 7, 2008 at 11:56 PM
Uncommited = liberal at this point of the election season, therefore, this a referendum on stupid.
Mcguyver on October 8, 2008 at 12:03 AM
There’s just too much at stake here to ‘let it ride’ as McCain did tonite. Not that I’m in love with him, but we cannot tolerate a Marxist like Obama in the White House. But we’re headed there. The only hope is that the Dems won’t be able to physically vote for him because they are inherently racist.
stonemeister on October 8, 2008 at 12:08 AM
I gotta wonder if, to CBS, uncommitted means that the person doesn’t have Obama’s name tattooed on their face.
snaggletoothie on October 8, 2008 at 12:09 AM
My initial reaction to the debate: Boring. Totally sucked. I turned the channel after an hour and flipped back and forth.
Right after the debate I thought a boring tie probably goes to Obama, but I didn’t marry myself to that final analysis, and I’m glad I didn’t.
I think a boring tie isn’t a win for either… but I do think it is a loss for Barry. He’s supposed to be able to take a boring debate and make it into wine. He’s suppose to be something different, and whether or not they like “The One” tag he has promoted it. He has called himself the great Hope.
But he wasn’t ANY of that in this debate. He added to the mediocrity, to the boring nature of the debate. He didn’t rise above it. He didn’t distinguish himself from politics.
The Democratic primary voters started to realize near the end they were sold a bill of goods because they began to actually hear nothing from him.
I’m starting to see the McCain debate strategy. McCain may be trying to drag these things down to expose the emptiness of The One.
Editor on October 8, 2008 at 12:10 AM
Bingo. As I remarked to a conservative friend after the debate: When we think we lost, we lost. When we think we won, we lost.
It just doesn’t matter that much what we think. We never “win”, even when we do.
And honestly, when watching Fat Frank’s Focus Group, am I the only one who thought it was only SLIGHTLY for Obama? The show of hands looked pretty even, to me, with Obama having a few more but not that much more. Fat Frank spun it as a pretty big Obama win, and I sat there blinking and rubbing my eyes.
capitalist piglet on October 8, 2008 at 12:25 AM
I’m disappointed too. I wanted so much more from him. But when I think about it rationally, I really have to wonder how the attacks I was hoping for would have played in that format.
I want to hear that Marxist SOB called on his circle of associations, including Islamic radicals and Kenyan wannabe dictators. I want to hear him called out on his multiple positions on nearly every topic. On so many things. I want that skinny punk curled up in the fetal position on the floor.
But I’m not going to get it, and it’s probably a good thing I’m not in the business of politics, ’cause the polls would probably be even worse if I were in charge.
It just seems like “country first” – and I believe McCain means that, in spite of any policy disagreements I may have with him – doesn’t sell to Americans anymore. Experience no longer seems to sell. Honesty no longer seems to sell.
And that’s sad.
capitalist piglet on October 8, 2008 at 12:32 AM
Cap Pig,
Luntz’s group had to have been drinking. They all said it was an exciting debate. Must have been on a pre-debate part.
Editor on October 8, 2008 at 12:34 AM
Rush Limbaugh were have destroyed Obama. Give me Rush! McCain listened to none of Rush’s many suggestions.
Did McCain even bring up ACORN? If McCain’s not going to mention ACORN, even on a day it was raided for election fraud, why is he the Republican nominee?
Did McCain mention that Hamas is supporting Obama, both philosophically and monetarily (as Atlas Shrugs has exposed)? If McCain isn’t going to mention Obama’s $200 million of fuzzy campaign contributions from our sworn enemies, why is he the Republican nominee?
Obama just needed a tie, just needed to show that he’s not a radical and that he’s not George Bush. He did that.
Game over.
I entirely agree with this comment at NRO’s The Corner:
You Guys Are Nuts [Andy McCarthy]
We have a disaster here — which is what you should expect when you delegate a non-conservative to make the conservative (nay, the American) case. We can parse it eight ways to Sunday, but I think the commentary is missing the big picture.
Here’s what Obama needed to do tonight: Convince the country that he was an utterly safe, conventional, centrist politician who may have leftward leanings but will do the right thing when the crunch comes.
Now, as the night went along, did you get the impression that Obama comes from the radical Left? Did you sense that he funded Leftist causes to the tune of tens of millions of dollars? Would you have guessed that he’s pals with a guy who brags about bombing the Pentagon? Would you have guessed that he helped underwrite raging anti-Semites? Would you come away thinking, “Gee, he’s proposing to transfer nearly a trillion dollars of wealth to third-world dictators through the UN”?
barrypopik on October 8, 2008 at 12:38 AM
Yeah, I think “exciting” is possibly the last word I would have used to describe it. Maybe they were all just so darned “excited” to be on national television tonight.
capitalist piglet on October 8, 2008 at 1:07 AM
Code for “democrat”.
Bwahahahahahaaaa!!!!!
csdeven on October 8, 2008 at 1:11 AM
Maybe in 2012
p40tiger on October 8, 2008 at 1:44 AM
It’s also been shown more dems are on the web than republicans, therefore it skews every internet poll. Internet polls are a great way to learn what people on the net think, but those people are not even always american, let alone a good cross section of our society. Think of how many elderly people don’t even go onto the web.
Dr. Manhattan on October 8, 2008 at 1:45 AM
Nice to know I’m not the only one.
spmat on October 8, 2008 at 2:45 AM
There are a lot more of us than these people think. It’s not working anymore. Not on us.
Jim Treacher on October 8, 2008 at 3:24 AM
Obama answered the questions that were asked? What debate were these people watching?? From his very first answer to “Allen,” he merely spouted off, almost verbatim, the same things he’s said on the stump for months, the same material he says in his direct-to-camera minute-long TV spot (which aired on Denver’s CBS affiliate minutes before the debate started), and which he and SloJo spit out in each of their last respective debates. He did not answer at least the first few questions given him in any manner at all that differed from his previous positions and grandiose promises. Give me a break.
Captain Scarlet on October 8, 2008 at 5:49 AM
A few weeks ago I was talking to the chairman of the democratic committee of a town over here in MA and he said pretty much the same thing. He then carried on about it not being the time for a black president and especially not BO. He said that the feeling was the same amongst other dems he knew and he suspected many would be voting McCain because of racisim. It was a very surreal conversation to say the least. He confides in me because he thinks I’m a libertarian which means I hate the Republicans as much as any dem.
jmarcure on October 8, 2008 at 7:03 AM
That’s why I can say with great confidence who wins the debates days before they take place.
I didn’t watch the debate because I’m voting McCain and I knew that if I saw it and then read the news this morning I’d get the wife upset during morning coffee with my ranting about the delusional liberals and the in the tank MSM.
jmarcure on October 8, 2008 at 7:14 AM
I got polled at a mall once. The first question I was asked was what I was registered as. I said Independent which got me to the next question which was who I might vote for. I said Bush and the girl said thank you and that was it. There looked like a lot more questions on the form so I hung around and when the answer was Kerry from someone else she asked the rest of the questions which were all general ones about the state of the country. I suspect she was a Kerry supporter and was padding the data so to say.
jmarcure on October 8, 2008 at 7:24 AM
Oh come on guys, things could be worse. Congresswoman McKinney could win!
Browncoatone on October 8, 2008 at 7:26 AM
The bottom line is that Obama looked and did fine in last night’s debate. He’s a big leftist and he’s covering up his liberalism by rambling about the middle class. It’s McCain’s job to present a different view and to use his view to contrast (and expose) Obama’s commie tendencies. Can you really say McCain did that last night?
What exactly did McCain say last night? He’d tax your employer for health insurance and then push it back as a $5k tax credit. He’s going to spend $300 billion (hopefully of the bailout funds) buying bad loans to stabilize housing prices. But he’s going to give more tax deductions and he’s going to get “victory” in Iraq but will use diplomacy in Pakistan (and criticizes Obama for wanting to invade Pakistan).
RUSH LIMBAUGH UNDENIABLE TRUTH OF LIFE #3 (or whatever it is): You can’t out-Democrat a Democrat!
Outlander on October 8, 2008 at 7:30 AM
I tell people I’m voting for her because then I won’t feel guilty. Her being a Black female gives me the ability to proclaim I am not a racist or a sexist in one fell swoop. While some think I’m nuts others have said it sounded like a reasonable idea. I think they may have been just agreeing because they thought I was crazy and were afraid to set me off.
jmarcure on October 8, 2008 at 7:32 AM
Right. Uncommitted voters as identified by CNN and CBS.
Where on earth would CNN or CBS find someone who wasn’t already an activist Democrat liberal?
Jaibones on October 8, 2008 at 7:37 AM
I read someone last night projecting this scenario about 10 million times on election day:
The voter walks up to the voting booth, open the ballot, and looks two names:
John Sidney McCain
Barack Hussein Obama
And McCain wins every wavering voter right then and there. Except, I don’t believe that the Democrats have allowed the name “Hussein” to appear anywhere. No matter. Hopefully they’re right about “racism” – this asshole needs to stay out of that office.
Jaibones on October 8, 2008 at 7:40 AM
I’m as curious about these uncommitted voters as I was about last night’s “undecided” voters. Are they uncommitted whether to vote for Obama or to write-in Hugo Chavez’s name?
Physics Geek on October 8, 2008 at 8:14 AM
While flipping thru the stations after the debate caught one of the CBS “undecided” voters railing about eight years is enough blah, blah, blah, even the perky one had to ask if this guy was undecided before and how he was now transformed by the “one”. The media can not be trusted period.
Tobias2012 on October 8, 2008 at 8:30 AM
What are the odds you could find a room full of uncommitteds in Arlington, VA?
DrSteve on October 8, 2008 at 8:34 AM
I think that I am with Rove on this one. Unless it comes up as an opportunity through a question to hit him on those issues, it would not work. With that in mind, I think that the questions chosen by Brokaw favored Obama. I listened carefully to each question and kept thinking, nope, cant do it here, nope, cant do it there. The only clear shot to hit him with anything was the questions about Afganistan. He could have leveled him with the “carpet bombing villages and killing civilans” comment. He hit him with “he’ll raise your taxes” and it was especially nice that he encouraged undecided voters to go to Citizen Against Gvt Waste etc…. to look at tax plans and kept referring to the Congressional voting records. All you can hope is that someone cares enough to go look.
I think that McCain and Obama are absolutely horrendous in debates. I think that he practices talking points and try to fit them in when they can. Sometimes I feel like they force them in where they dont belong and they sound stupid.
I really dont think that these 2 have solid foundations of ideals and principles that they can talk about in a forum like a debate. I do think that either one of them at your kitchen table could share their ideals with you, but they want to be President, not County Councilmen or small town Mayors.
OSUBuciz1 on October 8, 2008 at 8:35 AM
NO KIDDING! Talk about liberal haven
OSUBuciz1 on October 8, 2008 at 8:36 AM
You could, but most likely they wouldn’t know english, aren’t registered for anything, and work long hours putting up the buildings that are required to support the massive growth of government. But of all places, Arlington VA? That will be the last place that feels the recession and the first to recover.
LevStrauss on October 8, 2008 at 9:03 AM
Uncommitted = Seriously considering voting for Obama only once.
saint kansas on October 8, 2008 at 9:38 AM