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Putin: We retain the right to protect Russians in Ukraine

posted at 6:26 pm on March 1, 2014 by

Vladimir Putin and Barack Obama had a contentious phone call today, after Putin got retroactive approval for his military invasion of Crimea — and perhaps beyond. That seems to be the point of Putin’s readout of the phone call, anyway (emphasis mine):

Vladimir Putin had a telephone conversation with President of the United States Barack Obama on the American side’s initiative.

The two presidents discussed in detail various aspects of the extraordinary situation in Ukraine.

In reply to Mr Obama’s concern over the possibility of the use of Russian armed forces on the territory of Ukraine, Vladimir Putin drew his attention to the provocative and criminal actions on the part of ultranationalists who are in fact being supported by the current authorities in Kiev.

The Russian President spoke of a real threat to the lives and health of Russian citizens and the many compatriots who are currently on Ukrainian territory. Vladimir Putin stressed that in case of any further spread of violence to Eastern Ukraine and Crimea, Russia retains the right to protect its interests and the Russian-speaking population of those areas.

That was the pretext that was entirely predictable from the start of this crisis. And it’s the pretext that will have tanks rolling across that border soon, unless we start providing more disincentives than we’ve done so far. One might be the immediate restoral of the missile-shield program and some ground-breaking events in Poland and the Czech Republic, but don’t expect either nation to trust us to stick to it a second time.

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Mark Mardell ‏@BBCMarkMardell 15m

Obama talks to Putin for 90 mins – calls for withdrawal of Russian force back to bases – suspends preparation for G8 in Russia

canopfor on March 1, 2014 at 6:36 PM

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Ben Rhodes ‏@rhodes44 20m

POTUS also spoke to President Hollande of France and PM Harper of Canada today about #Ukraine. Readout coming shortly.

canopfor on March 1, 2014 at 6:36 PM

Ukrainian political crisis
12m
Ukraine army on full combat alert after Russia’s parliament approves deployment of troops – @BBCBreaking
read more on t.co

canopfor on March 1, 2014 at 6:37 PM

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Kevin Bakhurst ‏@kevinbakhurst 26m

Interesting photo – Pres Obama talks on the phone to Pres Putin today about Ukraine https://www.flickr.com/photos/whitehouse/12864176923/lightbox/
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President Barack Obama talks on the phone in the Oval Office with Russian President Vladimir Putin about the situation in Ukraine, March 1, 2014.

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canopfor on March 1, 2014 at 6:40 PM

Telephone conversation with French President Francois Hollande

March 2, 2014, 01:40

Tags: foreign policy, France

Vladimir Putin had a telephone conversation with President of France Francois Hollande on the French side’s initiative.

At the request of Francois Hollande, Vladimir Putin shared his assessment of the situation in Ukraine, stressing that there exists a real threat to the lives of Russian citizens and our compatriots.

The two presidents exchanged views on possible ways of resolving the situation in Ukraine and agreed to continue contacts.

March 2, 2014, 01:40
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http://eng.kremlin.ru/news/6753

canopfor on March 1, 2014 at 6:42 PM

canopfor on March 1, 2014 at 6:40 PM

I have heard reports that a Ukrainian ship has gone over to the Russian side.

Have you seen anything on this?

sharrukin on March 1, 2014 at 6:42 PM

Laura Rozen ‏@lrozen 33m

Kremlin readout of Putin Hollande call: http://eng.kremlin.ru/news/6753 & Ban http://eng.kremlin.ru/news/6754 ‘Both..stressed need to prevent frthr escalation
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Telephone conversation with UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon

March 2, 2014, 02:00

Vladimir Putin had a telephone conversation with UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon to discuss the crisis in Ukraine.

Vladimir Putin noted that in case of any escalation of violence against the Russian-speaking population of the eastern regions of Ukraine and Crimea, Russia would not be able to stay away and would resort to whatever measures are necessary in compliance with international law.

Both parties stressed the need to prevent further exacerbation of the crisis in Ukraine.

March 2, 2014, 02:00
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http://eng.kremlin.ru/news/6754

canopfor on March 1, 2014 at 6:45 PM

Vladimir Putin stressed that in case of any further spread of violence to Eastern Ukraine and Crimea, Russia retains the right to protect its interests and the Russian-speaking population of those areas.

Oh yeah! Well just you wait ’til our Dear Leader insists on being able to protect the Crimean-speaking population of those areas, pal!

Oh, crap … they’re screwed.

ShainS on March 1, 2014 at 6:45 PM

G-8

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Josh Rogin ‏@joshrogin 7m

Russian official on Obama’s threat to not attend G8: “There is Russian saying which goes, you can’t scare a hedgehog with a naked ass.”

canopfor on March 1, 2014 at 6:45 PM

https://twitter.com/lrozen

https://twitter.com/mozgovaya

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Natasha Mozgovaya ‏@mozgovaya 2m

.@AmbassadorPower cont’d: “but #Russia’s provocative actions could easily push a tense situation beyond the breaking point.”
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Natasha Mozgovaya ‏@mozgovaya 3m

.@AmbassadorPower: “#Russia alleges various actions against & threats 2 minority groups in #Ukraine. We c no evidence of these actions yet
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canopfor on March 1, 2014 at 6:48 PM

I have heard reports that a Ukrainian ship has gone over to the Russian side.

Have you seen anything on this?

sharrukin on March 1, 2014 at 6:42 PM

[Somewhat misleading headline: Ukraine's Navy refuses orders from Kiev, defects to Russia]

ShainS on March 1, 2014 at 6:49 PM

Telephone conversation with US President Barack Obama

March 2, 2014, 01:20

Tags: foreign policy, United States

Vladimir Putin had a telephone conversation with President of the United States Barack Obama on the American side’s initiative.

The two presidents discussed in detail various aspects of the extraordinary situation in Ukraine.

In reply to Mr Obama’s concern over the possibility of the use of Russian armed forces on the territory of Ukraine, Vladimir Putin drew his attention to the provocative and criminal actions on the part of ultranationalists who are in fact being supported by the current authorities in Kiev.

The Russian President spoke of a real threat to the lives and health of Russian citizens and the many compatriots who are currently on Ukrainian territory. Vladimir Putin stressed that in case of any further spread of violence to Eastern Ukraine and Crimea, Russia retains the right to protect its interests and the Russian-speaking population of those areas.

March 2, 2014, 01:20
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http://eng.kremlin.ru/news/6752

canopfor on March 1, 2014 at 6:51 PM

Russian official on Obama’s threat to not attend G8: “There is Russian saying which goes, you can’t scare a hedgehog with a naked ass.”

canopfor on March 1, 2014 at 6:45 PM

Heh.

From Russian Proverbs and Expressions:

Napugal ezha goloi zadnitsei or …goloi zhopoi – literally “[you are] scaring a hedgehog with a bare ass”, used to mock a threat as an idle one.

ShainS on March 1, 2014 at 6:54 PM

canopfor on March 1, 2014 at 6:40 PM

I have heard reports that a Ukrainian ship has gone over to the Russian side.

Have you seen anything on this?

sharrukin on March 1, 2014 at 6:42 PM

sharrukin:What ship,…the name??:)

canopfor on March 1, 2014 at 6:54 PM

sharrukin:What ship,…the name??:)

canopfor on March 1, 2014 at 6:54 PM

Hetman Sahaidachny

sharrukin on March 1, 2014 at 6:56 PM

[Somewhat misleading headline: Ukraine's Navy refuses orders from Kiev, defects to Russia]

ShainS on March 1, 2014 at 6:49 PM

If that is true then the Ukrainian military is not too solid with the Kiev government. I heard they replaced the army chief which may be related.

sharrukin on March 1, 2014 at 6:58 PM

I have heard reports that a Ukrainian ship has gone over to the Russian side.

Have you seen anything on this?

sharrukin on March 1, 2014 at 6:42 PM

sharrukin: From RT News,..not sure of credibility??:)
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Ukrainian Navy flagship takes Russia’s side – report
Published time: March 01, 2014 21:11
Edited time: March 01, 2014 23:17
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Ukraine’s Navy flagship, the Hetman Sahaidachny frigate, has reportedly refused to follow orders from Kiev, and come over to Russia’s side and is returning home after taking part in NATO operation in the Gulf of Aden flying the Russian naval flag.

There has been conflicting information on where exactly the vessel is, but a Russian senator has confirmed to Izvestia daily that the frigate defected to the Russian side.

“Ukraine’s Navy flagship the Hetman Sahaidachny has come over to our side today. It has hung out the St Andrew’s flag,” Senator Igor Morozov, a member of the committee on the international affairs, told Izvestia daily.

He said the flagship is on its way back to the Black Sea after drills in the Mediterranean. “The crew has fulfilled the order by the chief commander of Ukraine’s armed forces Viktor Yanukovich,” he added.

The move comes after the Navy command resigned Friday. Self-appointed President Aleksandr Turchinov made Rear Admiral Denis Berezovsky the new Navy Chief, a statement published on the President’s website Saturday said.

Arseniy Yatsenyuk, the Prime Minister of Ukraine had earlier asked his Turkish counterpart Recep Tayyip Erdogan not to let the frigate through the Bosporus strait, according to the Kiev Times. The ship captain and the head of Ukraine’s contingent in the operation, Rear Admiral Andrey Tarasov disobeyed orders from Kiev.
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http://rt.com/news/ukraine-navy-flaghsip-protest-389/

canopfor on March 1, 2014 at 7:00 PM

canopfor on March 1, 2014 at 6:54 PM

Hetman Sahaidachny

sharrukin on March 1, 2014 at 6:56 PM

shuurakin: I see that,..heres Rooooski’s Black Fleet:)
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Ministry of Defence of the Russian Federation

Black Sea Fleet

The Black Sea Fleet (BSF) is the operational strategic large unit of the Navy in the Black Sea.

The Pacific Fleet as a part of the Navy provides military security of Russia in the South.

In order to fulfil its tasks the Pacific Fleet includes diesel powered submarines, surface ships which can operate in ocean and close sea zones, sea-based missile-carrying aviation as well as antisubmarine warfare aviation and fighters, and coastal troops.

The main tasks of the Black Sea Fleet are as follows:

• to protect economic zone and production regions, suppression of illegal production activities;
• to ensure safety of navigation;
• to fulfil foreign policy acts of the Government in economically important regions of the World Ocean (visits, ships business visits, joint exercises, peacekeeping missions, etc.)

http://eng.mil.ru/en/structure/forces/navy/associations/structure/forces/type/navy/black_sea/about.htm

canopfor on March 1, 2014 at 7:08 PM

canopfor on March 1, 2014 at 6:45 PM

Heh.

From Russian Proverbs and Expressions:

Napugal ezha goloi zadnitsei or …goloi zhopoi – literally “[you are] scaring a hedgehog with a bare ass”, used to mock a threat as an idle one.

ShainS on March 1, 2014 at 6:54 PM

ShainS:Lol, now were into full-blown name calling:)

canopfor on March 1, 2014 at 7:11 PM

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Susan Glasser ‏@sbg1 4m

Just chilling RT @UkraineBreaking: #BREAKING NEWS – GENERAL MOBILIZATION OF UKRAINIAN FORCES WILL BEGIN AT 8AM MARCH 2ND (MATTER OF HOURS)”
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2:17 AM
Sunday, March 2, 2014 (EET)
Time in Kiev, Kyiv city, Ukraine

canopfor on March 1, 2014 at 7:19 PM

http://eng.kremlin.ru/news/6753

canopfor on March 1, 2014 at 6:42 PM

Anything reported by Kremlin.ru and other Putin friendly media sources should be taken with huge grain of salt. Just sayin’

Norwegian on March 1, 2014 at 7:25 PM

Euromaidan PR ‏@EuromaidanPR 1h

Ukrainians outside White House in Washington pic.twitter.com/GeW14xVB8Y @mikekomar @ukrpravda_news |PR Photo #Ukraine

https://twitter.com/mikekomar/status/439899450413031424/photo/1/large

canopfor on March 1, 2014 at 7:25 PM

Down zee Rabitt Hole:

Tweets

Laura Rozen ‏@lrozen 1m

“It’s quite likely that this will be fatal for the regime & catastrophic for Russia…looks as if they have taken leave of their senses.”
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Laura Rozen ‏@lrozen 3m

“It is worth noting that, in Moscow, the modern dissident movement was born in 1968″ http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/newsdesk/2014/03/putin-goes-to-war-in-crimea.html?utm_source=tny&utm_campaign=generalsocial&utm_medium=twitter&mbid=social_twitter

canopfor on March 1, 2014 at 7:27 PM

http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/newsdesk/2014/03/putin-goes-to-war-in-crimea.html?utm_source=tny&utm_campaign=generalsocial&utm_medium=twitter&mbid=social_twitter

But the Ukrainian leadership is absolutely helpless. The Army is not ready for this. And, after the violence in Kiev, the special forces are disoriented.”

How could they not have expected a reaction? You don’t get to overthrow a democratically elected government with paramilitary force and then demand democratic legitimacy. You are rolling the dice and you had better be ready for an unfortunate outcome.

Just a few days ago, this horrendous scenario of invasion and war, no matter how limited, seemed the farthest thing from nearly everyone’s mind in either Ukraine or Russia, much less the West.

No actually. Anyone with half a brain could have predicted this.

Putin’s reaction exceeded our worst expectations.

He has actually been more restrained than I expected. So far its just the Crimea. I suspect that will change as events unfold.

sharrukin on March 1, 2014 at 7:35 PM

So I’m pondering, what about Ukraines Nuclear Weapon StockPiles:

Ukraine Neo-Nazi Party Threatens Russia with Nukes: “We’ll Regain our Nuclear Status in 6 Months”
By Russia Today
Global Research, March 01, 2014
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“We’ll regain our status as a nuclear power and that’ll change the conversation. Ukraine has all the technological means needed to create a nuclear arsenal – which would take us about three to six months,” Svoboda party MP Mikhail Golovko said.

The rhetoric, which contradicts the international nuclear non-proliferation treaty Ukraine signed in 1994, is not new for the Svoboda party, one of the driving forces behind the Maidan uprising. Its leader, Oleg Tyagnibok, already promised that the country would go nuclear while he was running for the presidency in 2009.

But how feasible is the prospect of Ukraine ‘regaining nuclear status’?

After the collapse of the Soviet Union, former republics Ukraine, Belarus and Kazakhstan agreed to either dispose of or send over to Russia their nuclear arsenals, which they held while being part of the USSR.
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http://www.globalresearch.ca/ukraine-neo-nazi-party-threatens-russia-with-nuclear-weapons-well-regain-our-nuclear-status/5371524

All nuclear missiles of Ukraine in their entirety were designed and produced within the country at Yuzhmash. Ukraine had 220 strategic weapon carriers on its territory, including:

130 SS-18
46 sophisticated SS-24 missiles
25 Tu-95MS heavy strategic bombers carriers
19 Tu-160 supersonic strategic bombers carriers
1,080 long-range cruise missiles
several hundred units of a tactical nuclear weapon
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_weapons_and_Ukraine

canopfor on March 1, 2014 at 7:52 PM

Why didn’t hijackers think of that excuse in the 1960s and 70s?

“We retain the right to protect Kewber…”

viking01 on March 1, 2014 at 7:57 PM

canopfor on March 1, 2014 at 6:42 PM

Anything reported by Kremlin.ru and other Putin friendly media sources should be taken with huge grain of salt. Just sayin’

Norwegian on March 1, 2014 at 7:25 PM

Norwegian: Agreed:0

canopfor on March 1, 2014 at 8:14 PM

Clancy called this before he died.

Count to 10 on March 1, 2014 at 9:25 PM

canopfor on March 1, 2014

…good work!

KOOLAID2 on March 1, 2014 at 10:47 PM

Wow, he uses Hitler’s excuse and just like then, nobody will do anything. History repeating itself.

Dollayo on March 1, 2014 at 11:09 PM

Hitler said that Germany had to protect the rights in the Sudentenland. Stalin “liberated the Baltic republics an Mao freed the people of Tibet from feudalism. Funny how communism and Facism are pretty much alike.

simkeith on March 2, 2014 at 12:49 AM

Wow, he uses Hitler’s excuse and just like then, nobody will do anything. History repeating itself.

Dollayo on March 1, 2014 at 11:09 PM

Yeah, and you have to know that President Mom-Jeans probably had to run to the ladies room to change his panty liner when he heard about the Budapest Memorandum.

Sort of like the WTF? that was heard in OKW HQ when they learned that Poland had that treaty with Britain & France.

This is reading more and more like Sept 1939.

TKindred on March 2, 2014 at 1:02 AM

Obama jest dujie balwan.

celtic warrior on March 2, 2014 at 3:24 AM

One has to wonder if Putin will next demand land in Poland so that the Russian enclave of Kaliningrad can receive proper protection. I suspect an invasion of Poland is not as far fetched as we think, especially if NATO looks toothless during the Ukrainian invasion.

simkeith on March 2, 2014 at 2:40 PM

canopfor on March 1, 2014 at 6:40 PM

Barry put on his “I’m all business” mom jeans. He’s serial.

blammm on March 2, 2014 at 4:55 PM

But who is going to protect the Ukrainians in Crimea from Putin?

OxyCon on March 2, 2014 at 9:13 PM