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Obamacare Architect Admits Obama Misled Americans, But…

posted at 3:12 am on November 14, 2013 by

…it’s such a paltry pittance of a deception, deceit, fraud or out and out lie, because it only applies to a few million people, a mere two to four percent of the people who really couldn’t keep their health care plan if they liked their plan.

On Hugh Hewitt’s radio program Wednesday night, Dr. Jon Gruber, MIT economics professor and the architect behind the drive for the individual mandate, concluded a day where he was seen and/or heard everywhere on cable news outlets and radio to defend Obamacare, knock down criticism, and in some cases, like Hugh’s show, call for dissent to stop and just let it roll out unfettered.

Dr. Gruber responded to noted Obamacare critic Avik Roy of the Manhattan Institute this way.

HH: Okay, so when he says that the forty percent premium increase is coming, he’s wrong, or he’s deceptive, or he is simply not informed as to how the program works?

JG: Oh, he knows how it works. He’s just being deceptive.

HH: All right.

JG: I mean, now basically, now there will be differences across people, but on average, people will pay less. And we’re only, once again, we’re only talking about a minority of people, where I’m talking about the majority of Americans who have insurance from their employer.

Hugh then followed up with the now-infamous Barack Obama promise that you can keep your plan, and your doctor, if you like your plan and your doctor, and asked Dr. Gruber if that was also just as deceptive, being that he has no problem calling deception where he sees is.

JG: The President was, no, he was not being deceptive. I don’t think he was being deceptive. I think the President was not being fully clear in what he said.

Two segments later, Hugh came around to the veracity issue this way.

HH: Dr. Gruber, if a student of yours had plagiarized fifteen percent of a paper he turned in, would he be expelled from MIT?

JG: He’d certainly be up for disciplinary action, absolutely.

HH: And so if the President misled fifteen percent of the American people, and only fifteen percent, isn’t that a deception of the sort Ron Johnson’s talking about?

JG: Okay, the President, he did mislead a small share of the U.S. population. It’s not fifteen percent. As I said, it’s on the order of two to four percent.

HH: And so if your student had only plagiarized two to four percent of his paper, would he still be in trouble?

JG: Probably, yeah.

HH: Yeah.

JG: And President Obama has certainly gotten in trouble for this.

I was struck as I heard this of the often misattributed quote that has been alleged to have originated with George Bernard Shaw, Groucho Marx and Winston Churchill. The earliest iteration of this quote was found in as an anecdote in an O. O. McIntyre syndicated newspaper column in 1937.

“They are telling this of Lord Beaverbrook and a visiting Yankee actress. In a game of hypothetical questions, Beaverbrook asked the lady: ‘Would you live with a stranger if he paid you one million pounds?’ She said she would. ‘And if be paid you five pounds?’ The irate lady fumed: ‘Five pounds. What do you think I am?’ Beaverbrook replied: ‘We’ve already established that. Now we are trying to determine the degree.”

So Gruber has established the President misled. We’re just haggling over the number of people, so far, to which he did mislead. The full transcript and audio of the interview are available here, but the takeaway is that even the President’s best Chip Diller, and admittedly, Dr. Gruber is as good a defender of Obamacare as there is, even he can’t calm the panic that is spreading throughout the Democratic Party, as AP captured below in both House and Senate emergency caucus meetings with administration officials.



I know it’s tempting for Republicans to offer a life raft, but after 47 throws that have been previously refused, number 48 should be really simple. Total repeal. If the Democrats say no, I’m comfortable letting America have one more bite at the Obamacare referendum in November of 2014 after they see whether Dr. Gruber was right or not.

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It’s interesting: Obamacare created entirely upon concept and use of genetics.

But if anyone criticizes Obama, OR Obamacare, they’re decried as “racists,” which is a pejorative reliant upon concept of genetics.

Lourdes on November 14, 2013 at 3:33 AM

Also worth mentioning: Gruber played the same role in establishing Romneycare in Mass-uh-chew-sits as he did establishing Obamacare at the federal level. To all the Republican voters I say: Caveat emptor

gryphon202 on November 14, 2013 at 4:02 AM

Also worth mentioning: Gruber played the same role in establishing Romneycare in Mass-uh-chew-sits as he did establishing Obamacare at the federal level. To all the Republican voters I say: Caveat emptor

gryphon202 on November 14, 2013 at 4:02 AM

Left Massachusetts is said to “love Romneycare.” So that state’s population is doing what it wants to do.

No one ever said that Romneycare would be nationwide plan, as to Republicans, opinion and goals from the Right. Even Romney repeated that intent (or, lack of intent to replicate a national model based on Massachusetts’ state model) numerous times while campaigning, which the Left routinely ignored or pretended not to hear/read.

Rommey said many times that “Romneycare” wouldn’t work on a national basis. And, as governor of Massachusetts, Romney signed into law “Romneycare” because the state’s voters wanted it — he’s even said it wasn’t his concept nor his cause but he did as Governor that which he was elected to do: represent his constituency (the state’s population).

It’s a Leftwing habit to deny reality but continuing to try to impune the Right based upon the Left’s very doing — Massachusetts’ statewide public health policy wrongly called “Romneycare” because Romney was Governor who signed it into law — is both sneaky and stupid. It’s an indication of very petty, nonproductive indecent, empty-cavity word-fighting by the Left.

Lourdes on November 14, 2013 at 4:33 AM

gryphon202 on November 14, 2013 at 4:02 AM

One either supports/believes in states’ rights or one doesn’t.

Massachusetts acted on it’s belief that it, as a state, could determine it’s own state-wide conditions and use of taxpayer money.

Either states have that right or they don’t.

If they don’t, then the federal government dominates us all.

Or, someone could simply be petty in trying to smear someone else by implying distortions of reality in relationship to someone’s name.

Lourdes on November 14, 2013 at 4:35 AM

Yep right on.

Republicans are in a position to either deal destruction to Obamacare or force America to feel real pain due to government overreach made possible by the voters.

Democrats want a delay? Don’t offer it.

Repeal of the entire law, or take your chances in 2014.

Flashwing on November 14, 2013 at 5:59 AM

I heard the exchange.. and was struck by how much a supposedly educated man, could try and tell us, well he didn’t REALLY lie that much.. because he’s only screwing a few million… as if that number won’t substantionally grow.. or that a lie is only a lie based on the number of people it actually harms…. so an MIT student could slide if he only lied, somewhat on his work?

Worse, his insistence, that we simply let it play on, and see if it worked..

Well if the ACA leaves the insurance companies bankrupt, how in the Hell are we supposed to put this back together as it was before?

answer, we can’t, and this lying shill knows it.

He knows damn well this is a Trojan horse to force single payer on the US by savaging the insurance industry.. he just thinks if he can snow us just a bit longer, it’ll be too late to stop it.

The conceit of the educated man,.. that it’s not lying if it only hurts a FEW million… er,.. ten million… um, ok, 70 million… but we have to let it play through damn it.. because I LIKE IT, and screw the rest..

Then to tell us, opposition isn’t based on fears of harm, but fears of success… just cynical GOP politics, when real people are hurting so much, even die hard leftist dems are running scared.. terrified of voter retribution..

Gruber’s a lying leftist hack.. who feels nothing but contempt for those who can’t pay more like he wants them too..

mark81150 on November 14, 2013 at 7:19 AM

Neither Dear Liar nor Jon Gruber can be trusted on anything anymore. They are liars who are willing to intentionally deceive in order to get their way.

rbj on November 14, 2013 at 8:09 AM

In an effort to turn up the heat, let’s expose another pack of lies that so far has stayed below the radar. Using the original cost estimates as a base, let’s start focusing on the newest cost projections. I think we are going to find that we were lied to again.

teejk on November 14, 2013 at 8:10 AM

On the same basis of ignoring the “small minority” of 4%, let’s stop pandering to the gheys, ok Obummer?!?

KS Rex on November 14, 2013 at 8:24 AM

If you’re going to play a clip from Animal House, I think the clip with Otter telling Flounder:

“You f’d up; you trusted us.”

would be more apropos.

PackerBronco on November 14, 2013 at 8:35 AM

So i guess the new narrative is “who cares about 5% of the population losing their insurance (so far) when the uninsured will receive it?”.

Remember when Obamacare was being passed some years ago? One claim the left kept doing was that it was the “compassionate” thing to do for the 38 million uninsured. Of course that, once you subtracted from that number those who were illegal immigrants, those who had coverage through other means, those who could purchase insurance but chose not to, and those who qualified for federal, state, or local programs but didn’t bother to sign up, the actual number was less than 10 million.

I guess that 3.3% of the population uninsured was more important than the 5+% losing it.

ptcamn on November 14, 2013 at 9:10 AM

What about next year when the employer mandate kicks in? Early estimates say that 95 million people will be affected adversely. Is almost a third of the population considered a small amount?

neyney on November 14, 2013 at 10:22 AM

Good on Hewitt for finally squeezing some truth out of one of the FUBARmacare architects. Bill O’Reilly has had the smug Gruber on at least twice and has let him squirm off the hook. That’s mostly because Hewitt is smarter than O’Reilly, but also because BO’R carefully hones his image as the non-ideological voice of reason, and it’s paid off for him. He won’t pursue the truth if it puts him too far into the left-of-center danger zone. “No-Spin Zone” Miami.

L.N. Smithee on November 14, 2013 at 10:40 AM

I will say this for Gruber. He’s out there answering questions in the press. Cutler is also showing his face though he’s playing a bit of a game, pretending to distance himself from his own contributions to the disaster. But where the hell did Peter Orszag suddenly vanish to?

Chuckles3 on November 14, 2013 at 4:38 PM

“Oh, we lied, but our grand scheme hurt only a few million people.” Sounds like something Mao would have said to his inner circle.

This is wrong on so many levels.

itsacookbook on November 15, 2013 at 3:28 AM

One either supports/believes in states’ rights or one doesn’t.

Massachusetts acted on it’s belief that it, as a state, could determine it’s own state-wide conditions and use of taxpayer money.

Either states have that right or they don’t.

If they don’t, then the federal government dominates us all.

Or, someone could simply be petty in trying to smear someone else by implying distortions of reality in relationship to someone’s name.

Lourdes on November 14, 2013 at 4:35 AM

Oh great. The whole “states’ rights” gambit. I didn’t say shit about states’ rights. What I said was that Jonathan Gruber played the same role in Massachusetts that he is playing polishing Obama’s knob now. Is that true or untrue? Because I don’t give a flying fig if Romneycare is federally constitutional; Gruber started by destroying health insurance in Massachusetts, and his fellow Marxists in Congress are seeing it through to its logical conclusion.

Left Massachusetts is said to “love Romneycare.” So that state’s population is doing what it wants to do.

No one ever said that Romneycare would be nationwide plan, as to Republicans, opinion and goals from the Right. Even Romney repeated that intent (or, lack of intent to replicate a national model based on Massachusetts’ state model) numerous times while campaigning, which the Left routinely ignored or pretended not to hear/read.

Rommey said many times that “Romneycare” wouldn’t work on a national basis. And, as governor of Massachusetts, Romney signed into law “Romneycare” because the state’s voters wanted it — he’s even said it wasn’t his concept nor his cause but he did as Governor that which he was elected to do: represent his constituency (the state’s population).

It’s a Leftwing habit to deny reality but continuing to try to impune the Right based upon the Left’s very doing — Massachusetts’ statewide public health policy wrongly called “Romneycare” because Romney was Governor who signed it into law — is both sneaky and stupid. It’s an indication of very petty, nonproductive indecent, empty-cavity word-fighting by the Left.

Lourdes on November 14, 2013 at 4:33 AM

I am not interested in doing what is legal if that is morally corrupt and practically wrong. You could swim in a lake of all that weak tea your pouring me. Jonathan Gruber did the sam thing for Romney that he’s doing for Obama. Unless and until you can refute that salient fact, Gruber’s appearence on the national scene now stands as evidence of how corrupt and out-of-touch the GOP is.

gryphon202 on November 15, 2013 at 3:41 AM

So i guess the new narrative is “who cares about 5% of the population losing their insurance (so far) when the uninsured will receive it?”.

Remember when Obamacare was being passed some years ago? One claim the left kept doing was that it was the “compassionate” thing to do for the 38 million uninsured. Of course that, once you subtracted from that number those who were illegal immigrants, those who had coverage through other means, those who could purchase insurance but chose not to, and those who qualified for federal, state, or local programs but didn’t bother to sign up, the actual number was less than 10 million.

I guess that 3.3% of the population uninsured was more important than the 5+% losing it.

ptcamn on November 14, 2013 at 9:10 AM

Does anyone care that Gruber pulled the same crap in Massachusetts with Mitt Romney’s blessing and ultimately his signature? I hear a lot of “Don’t blame the right for what the left did.” Sounds to me like that argument is based on the false premise that Mitt Romney is not progressive.

gryphon202 on November 15, 2013 at 3:43 AM

“Oh, we lied, but our grand scheme hurt only a few million people.” Sounds like something Mao would have said to his inner circle.

This is wrong on so many levels.

itsacookbook on November 15, 2013 at 3:28 AM

Did Gruber say that, or did Romney say it in reference to Mass-uh-chew-sits? I get the two mixed up.

gryphon202 on November 15, 2013 at 3:46 AM

…the mayor of Toronto isn’t the only one…doing CRACK!

KOOLAID2 on November 16, 2013 at 10:41 AM

He left out for the greater good in his Margaret Sanger impression. How these faculty lounge lizards can square their logic of it’s ok to cancel insurance for 5M people, some with cancer and other grave illnesses, to provide access to health care to 40M others and then ask those 5M to help pay for it is amazing. Those 40M have certainly rushed to sign up for either Ocare or a state exchange haven’t they. How do they even know it’s 40M in the first place or did they just pick that number out of a hat?

Kissmygrits on November 16, 2013 at 11:35 AM

Kinda makes me want to break out in song:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQ_tAe87ELo

Galtian on November 17, 2013 at 5:47 PM