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Happy Columbus Day — and Canadian Thanksgiving

posted at 11:55 am on October 14, 2013 by

Thankfully, a reader reminded us of the latter.  Canadians have the good sense to celebrate this holiday on a Monday.  Prime Minister Stephen Harper offered this statement to Canadians today:

“As family and friends come together this Thanksgiving, I encourage Canadians to reflect on the many blessings that we enjoy in our great country.

“Let us give thanks for the prosperity, security, rule of law and democracy that provide us with one of the best standards of living in the world.

“It is also a time to remember and lend a helping hand to those in need in Canada and around the world.

“On this special day, let us also honour the members of the Canadian Armed Forces who are not at home for the holiday, but rather are on duty protecting our freedom and security.

“On behalf of Laureen, myself and our children, I wish all Canadians a very happy Thanksgiving.”

On behalf of everyone here to all our friends in Canada, have a happy and blessed Thanksgiving Day.  And to all our friends south of that border, happy Columbus Day (as celebrated here, anyway).

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Canadians have the good sense to celebrate this holiday on a Monday.

Are you nuts? It’s better to celebrate on a Thursday because that creates a four day weekend.

Mark1971 on October 14, 2013 at 12:35 PM

Do Canadians have Black Tuesday?

Mark1971 on October 14, 2013 at 12:40 PM

Are you nuts? It’s better to celebrate on a Thursday because that creates a four day weekend.

Mark1971 on October 14, 2013 at 12:35 PM

A lot of people have to work on Black Friday.

LukeinNE on October 14, 2013 at 1:02 PM

Happy Thanksgiving to canopfor and Mr. Rywall, if he should be lurking.

Cindy Munford on October 14, 2013 at 1:07 PM

Oh please oh please, trolls, show up and lecture us on the evils of Columbus and imperialism and genocide with all the indignation and condescension you can muster.

We could use a laugh.

M240H on October 14, 2013 at 1:09 PM

The real Columbus : http://theoatmeal.com/comics/columbus_day

libfreeordie on October 14, 2013 at 1:19 PM

View from the fever swamp.

Murphy9 on October 14, 2013 at 1:24 PM

Oh please oh please, trolls, show up and lecture us on the evils of Columbus and imperialism and genocide with all the indignation and condescension you can muster.

We could use a laugh.

M240H on October 14, 2013 at 1:09 PM

See the comments on this HotAir post…

Columbus Day myths and legends

posted at 11:01 am on October 13, 2013 by Jazz Shaw

ITguy on October 14, 2013 at 2:39 PM

Oh please oh please, trolls, show up and lecture us on the evils of Columbus and imperialism and genocide with all the indignation and condescension you can muster.

We could use a laugh.

M240H on October 14, 2013 at 1:09 PM

As an indigenous person who is also center right on issues, I find it
1. offensive that he “discovered” land already with rich histories
2. his genocide is well documented yet the sympathy Native Americans can get on this issue are from lunatic liberals – odd!!
3. The above quote is condescending itself.

There is a difference b/t the genius of the Founding Fathers who wrote some of history’s most amazing documents aka The Constitution and having a holiday for a guy who didn’t reach land earlier than the Vikings, committed genocide, and slavery. I’m really suprised Ed would post this when there are better examples of Catholic Explorers to the NEw World.

Mangofish26 on October 14, 2013 at 4:07 PM

Happy Thanksgiving to canopfor and Mr. Rywall, if he should be lurking.

Cindy Munford on October 14, 2013 at 1:07 PM

Cindy Munford: Thank-you Cindy, now, back to left-overs!:)

canopfor on October 14, 2013 at 6:48 PM

ED,

Thank-You, much appreciated:0

canopfor on October 14, 2013 at 6:49 PM

Of course all the newspapers and news stations in South Dakota refer to it as Native American day. A bunch of indians and white liberals decided columbus day was offensive.

The Notorious G.O.P on October 14, 2013 at 7:32 PM

now, back to left-overs!:)

canopfor on October 14, 2013 at 6:48 PM

Details, I need details.

Cindy Munford on October 14, 2013 at 7:36 PM

Oh please oh please, trolls, show up and lecture us on the evils of Columbus and imperialism and genocide with all the indignation and condescension you can muster.

We could use a laugh.

M240H on October 14, 2013 at 1:09 PM

As an indigenous person who is also center right on issues, I find it 1. offensive that he “discovered” land already with rich histories 2. his genocide is well documented yet the sympathy Native Americans can get on this issue are from lunatic liberals – odd!! 3. The above quote is condescending itself.

There is a difference b/t the genius of the Founding Fathers who wrote some of history’s most amazing documents aka The Constitution and having a holiday for a guy who didn’t reach land earlier than the Vikings, committed genocide, and slavery. I’m really suprised Ed would post this when there are better examples of Catholic Explorers to the NEw World.

Mangofish26 on October 14, 2013 at 4:07 PM

M240H on October 14, 2013 at 8:39 PM

Sorry, meant to add a reply with the mangyfish repost-

1. Columbus did discover the Americas. Just as an astronomer ‘discovers’ a previously unobserved heavenly body, Columbus ‘discovered’ a land mass unknown to western european civilization at that time. Nobody said he created a landmass populated with numerous stone age tribes out of thin air.

2. As for his genocidal behavior, what truly makes it notable is that it was so much more efficient than what so many of those stone age tribes occupying the Americas were already engaged in. Slavery, genocide, torture of enemies, all of that was fairly common practice amongst your ancestors “indigenous” man. You guys got schooled; boo-hoo. That’s the way it was all over the world one hundred years ago; it’s still the way it is over large swaths of the world now. The culture that brutally supplanted the indigenous here is now the one culture that regularly counters that brutality around the globe now. And that takes more than cheap booze and casinos, chief.

3. My post wasn’t meant to be condescending, it was meant to be outright contemptuous. I don’ t give a crap about liberal white guilt, the modern Hollywood myths (ever stampede a buffalo herd over a cliff, mangy?) about Native Americans living in harmony with nature, or people who try to assert some smug superior identity through nativist claims -especially by taking advantage of self-assessing tendencies of the culture they impugn. Frankly, I will always celebrate the culture that put a man on the moon and gave us Mozart over a culture that couldn’t figure out the wheel and couldn’t come up with a decent drum solo.

M240H on October 14, 2013 at 9:08 PM

David Burge ‏@iowahawkblog
Happy Canadian Valentines Day!

Heh!

ITguy on October 14, 2013 at 9:21 PM

Mangofish26 on October 14, 2013 at 4:07 PM

Columbus was the one who got the ball rolling when it came to the unification of the East and West hemispheres. The Vikings didn’t do it, just coming around for a while and never returning. The “natives” didn’t do it, just coming and never looking back. That’s a major historical event, and the implications for our country are obvious. The day is more associated with this part of the world than any other, save July 4th. Columbus was no saint, but he’s been unfairly associated with both those genocides that came after his death and those crimes committed by his contemporaries with only the most tenuous evidence of his involvement. It’s not even a holiday most people celebrate — Federal only — but you don’t have to tear down Columbus and trash the holiday in order to have some perspective of both the positives and the negatives of his legacy.

calbear on October 14, 2013 at 9:41 PM

View from the fever swamp.

Murphy9 on October 14, 2013 at 1:24 PM

(:->)

KOOLAID2 on October 14, 2013 at 11:45 PM

I married a Canadian so we get two Thanksgivings.

deimos on October 15, 2013 at 6:47 AM

Sorry, meant to add a reply with the mangyfish repost-

1. Columbus did discover the Americas. Just as an astronomer ‘discovers’ a previously unobserved heavenly body, Columbus ‘discovered’ a land mass unknown to western european civilization at that time. Nobody said he created a landmass populated with numerous stone age tribes out of thin air.

2. As for his genocidal behavior, what truly makes it notable is that it was so much more efficient than what so many of those stone age tribes occupying the Americas were already engaged in. Slavery, genocide, torture of enemies, all of that was fairly common practice amongst your ancestors “indigenous” man. You guys got schooled; boo-hoo. That’s the way it was all over the world one hundred years ago; it’s still the way it is over large swaths of the world now. The culture that brutally supplanted the indigenous here is now the one culture that regularly counters that brutality around the globe now. And that takes more than cheap booze and casinos, chief.

3. My post wasn’t meant to be condescending, it was meant to be outright contemptuous. I don’ t give a crap about liberal white guilt, the modern Hollywood myths (ever stampede a buffalo herd over a cliff, mangy?) about Native Americans living in harmony with nature, or people who try to assert some smug superior identity through nativist claims -especially by taking advantage of self-assessing tendencies of the culture they impugn. Frankly, I will always celebrate the culture that put a man on the moon and gave us Mozart over a culture that couldn’t figure out the wheel and couldn’t come up with a decent drum solo.

Wow! Calling me names and disparaging an entire race. It’s your whole attitude and hatefulness that makes me want to not be conservative or even center right. The genocide committed by Columbus himself is a fact – yet we celebrate him on a holiday. I am all for MLK Jr’s federal holiday but not a man on level with brutal dictators.
I take a deep breath and remember as a Christian to be forgiving and wish you well in life with M240H.

Mangofish26 on October 15, 2013 at 11:43 AM

Columbus was no saint, but he’s been unfairly associated with both those genocides that came after his death and those crimes committed by his contemporaries with only the most tenuous evidence of his involvement. calbear on October 14, 2013 at 9:41 PM

Please view.

Mangofish26 on October 15, 2013 at 11:47 AM

Mangofish26 on October 15, 2013 at 11:47 AM

That is actually precisely what I had in mind while writing this, ergo the “no saint.” Judged against the standards of his time, he was quite mild, even though the same acts would be viewed as monstrous in 2013. And the use of the quote about child slaves relies on innuendo and implication, not the actual content of the text. It is deceptive, and most readers are going to fall for it hook, line, and sinker. There is proof that folks associated with him did commit such acts, but none that Columbus allowed or condoned them, contrary to the implication of the comic.

calbear on October 15, 2013 at 2:13 PM

Is Canadian Thanksgiving not based upon God, as ours is? Or perhaps I should say “was”.

John Kettlewell on October 15, 2013 at 4:55 PM