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Putin nursing grudge over Obama insult

posted at 7:07 pm on August 28, 2013 by

This got buried in a New York Times report on Russian resignation over a retaliatory attack from the West on Syria, but it should get a little more attention.  Barack Obama lashed out at Vladimir Putin after Russia offered Edward Snowden asylum by publicly ridiculing Putin as having the look of a slacker — and Putin hasn’t forgiven him:

The crisis has added fuel to an anti-American sentiment – and to a lesser degree anti-Western sentiment – that had already become a refrain of Mr. Putin’s return to the presidency in 2012.

The point is driven home over and over by proxy in the state news media and in comments by public officials, like the one about the monkey, posted on Twitter by a deputy prime minister, Dmitri O. Rogozin. Or by Robert A. Schlegel, a member of the lower house of parliament from the majority United Russia party, who said in a statement on Wednesday that Western retaliatory strikes would aid Al Qaeda and would constitute “the height of cynicism.”

Suspicion of President Obama in particular only intensified after his decision to scuttle a planned summit meeting next week in Moscow and to describe Mr. Putin in unusually personal terms at a White House news conference, saying his body language often made him look “like the bored kid in the back of the classroom.”

Though Mr. Obama went on to say that their interactions were often constructive, the comment infuriated Mr. Putin, according to one Russian official not authorized to be quoted by name.

Smart power. And, er … reset. (via Josh Kraushaar)

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Obama is so used to dealing with Republicans that he doesn’t have any inkling of how to deal with a competent and powerful adversary.

Fenris on August 28, 2013 at 7:14 PM

Øbama outght to know what a slacker looks like. He sees one in the mirror every morning.

Kafir on August 28, 2013 at 7:45 PM

Er… He does look like the bored kid in the back of the classroom, always thinking he’s smarter than everyone else and too cool for school.

alwaysfiredup on August 28, 2013 at 7:51 PM

Obama is so used to dealing with Republicans that he doesn’t have any inkling of how to deal with a competent and powerful adversary.

Fenris on August 28, 2013 at 7:14 PM

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Related on the front page – look for a Soviet-Saudi alliance in our near future

Steve Eggleston on August 28, 2013 at 7:53 PM

Boy, I can’t believe that Bush could be so stupid, so insensitive to say something like that. What a jerk. Whaaaaaa? Oh, never mind.

- Libs

Hill60 on August 28, 2013 at 8:06 PM

Reading NYT opinion pieces is like watching pro wrestling without the physical contact.

claudius on August 28, 2013 at 8:23 PM

For the smartest man in the world, Obama is decidedly childish.

Cindy Munford on August 28, 2013 at 8:26 PM

Obama is just one person. It is those who vote for people like him who are probably the most dangerous.

mike0993 on August 28, 2013 at 8:34 PM

We’re gonna need a bigger reset button.

Have been “following” Putin since his days in Dresden.

An assignment, by the way, Putin would have preferred go to some schlump, some Party hack, not him.

But, he made the best of it.

Before he became Tsar, Putin’s stock in trade, while in the former East Germany, in Dresden, was Party work, and with the KGB that entailed Putin keeping senior Party members and military officers assigned to East Germany in line, gathering information that could be used against them, and when necessary applying that information to punish them or force them into compliance. Not an easy task what with West Germany and the US right across the border trying hard to help them jump to the good side.

He never worked foreign intelligence, just counter-espionage and party loyalty among senior Soviet/Russian officials posted abroad.

That information, and the favors granted, both ways, enabled Putin to amass a lot of loyalty in Moscow when the big change came in the early 1990′s.

Putin has always been in tune with his physique…always willing to play “Quién es más macho?” with rivals…and he has always played dirty.

The shirtless photos, the wrestling with bears, all of it, is pure Putin.

Now, along comes this momma’s boy, this ersatz President, who would dare to lecture him, Vladimir Putin, Tsar of all the Russians?

In his professional KGB career Putin did not “suffer fools gladly.” [(2 Corinthians 11:19] for you logophiles out there.

He still does not.

To insult Putin, today, is to insult Russia.

That “reset” button?

The handiwork of fools, from Putin’s perspective.

The man who was behind it?

Obviously a fool.

Proceed from there.

In the photos of Putin and Obama, the contempt for Obama is clear.

You know, Putin actually liked G.W. Bush…and the total lack of pretense. Almost respected him, which, for Putin, is saying a lot.

coldwarrior on August 28, 2013 at 9:12 PM

I wish Putin would come out and say that Obama looks like a drug-addled big-eared doofus, but that’s probably too much to ask, huh?

changer1701 on August 28, 2013 at 9:19 PM

I wish Putin would come out and say that Obama looks like a drug-addled big-eared doofus, but that’s probably too much to ask, huh?

changer1701 on August 28, 2013 at 9:19 PM

The EEOC would probably rule the statement as a race-based hate crime, and fine Vlad like, $5 trillion or something.

BobMbx on August 28, 2013 at 9:24 PM

I’ll get in trouble for saying this probably. 0 makes Putin look good. Sad but true.

Bmore on August 28, 2013 at 9:43 PM

Of course Putin is not easy to read and looks like the bored student in the back of the room! He is a KGB agent. They are trained to be inscrutable and not stick out. You can be sure Putin is listening and assessing others words and body language while giving nothing away himself. (Of course, listening to Obama can get boring when you are not simply infuriated.)

KW64 on August 28, 2013 at 10:34 PM

I’ll get in trouble for saying this probably. 0 makes Putin look good. Sad but true.

Bmore on August 28, 2013 at 9:43 PM

Not surprising. Putin is a capable leader of an incompetent nation. Obama is an incompetent leader of a capable nation.

Jeddite on August 28, 2013 at 10:34 PM

Another analogy is Machiavelli’s “The Prince”.

Putin wants to be feared.
Obama wants to be loved.

If Putin isnt feared, you go to jail. Or some careless chef accidentally serves you a meal loaded with polonium
If Obama isnt loved, you get a temper-tantrum.

Jeddite on August 28, 2013 at 10:38 PM

Putin nursing grudge over Obama insult

If there’s one thing the Russians are good at, it’s holding a grudge. Hell, they’re still suspicious of the Swedes, who invaded them, like, 800 years ago. Can’t really blame them for being paranoid, as they’ve been invaded from the north, south, east and west throughout the course of their long history.

I think that one thing most Americans just don’t understand is how much more history most of the Old World countries have compared to us. Not just because their history is longer, but because we Americans tend, by nature, to be an optimistic, forward-looking people, whereas many Europeans and Asians and such are still holding national, regional, and even familial grievances going back centuries or more.

It’s a mindset most Americans just can’t understand, I think.

Hayabusa on August 28, 2013 at 10:49 PM

Obama wants to be loved.

Jeddite on August 28, 2013 at 10:38 PM

Obama wants to be worshiped.

lilacs on August 28, 2013 at 11:20 PM

Hayabusa on August 28, 2013 at 10:49 PM

The folly of trying to see the rest of the world through our own tunnel vision. The same folks who travel overseas and get angry that there in not a McDonalds nearby where they can get some “real” food.

Nearly seventy years after WWII ended, Russian newlyweds often stop at a war memorial to drop flowers…a big thing down in Volgograd, still…and the Great Patriotic war runs dark red in the veins of the Russians, still.

Here? We have cities cancelling Memorial Day observances for lack of money and lack of general interest of the local citizens.

A few years ago when the last American WWI, yes WWI, veteran died just a couple miles down the road from here…hardly a handful attended the funeral.

In UK and Canada, Rememberance Day still recalls the Great War far more than the Second.

But Miley Cyrus almost shut down Twitter…over 300,000 tweets per minute nationwide following her “performance.”

Priorities.

It’s a mindset most Americans just can’t understand, I think.

No, they refuse to even try to understand…too old skool.

Excellent post.

coldwarrior on August 28, 2013 at 11:29 PM

Putin never personally insulted Obama. He will not respond with words.

theCork on August 28, 2013 at 11:30 PM

coldwarrior on August 28, 2013 at 11:29 PM

I enjoy your posts, as well. Also, your handle. I first swore the oath of enlistment in the Armed Forces at age 17, when Ronald Reagan was President, so I proudly consider myself a “Cold Warrior”, too.

Even though I didn’t do anything remotely special. Hell, I was still a cadet in ROTC when the Berlin Wall fell. LOL.

Hayabusa on August 28, 2013 at 11:44 PM

If Putin could get a hold of Obama’s forger to whip him up a US Birth Certificate, he could run for president and I’d vote for him.

SpiderMike on August 28, 2013 at 11:56 PM

Hayabusa on August 28, 2013 at 11:44 PM

Damn fine CinC we had back then.

And, you are in good company here…really. Some of us are curmudgeons, but in general, we do keep a good sense of humor about us…have to, lest we go nuts…and some of the folks are just wonderfully fine people…smart, real smart…

Then there are the trolls.

Easy to spot. Fun to take down.

Have not noticed your handle until today…hope to see more of it. Sounds like you have a good head on those shoulders.

coldwarrior on August 29, 2013 at 12:15 AM

Putin’s ego is astounding… that has to be useful somehow.

Karmashock on August 29, 2013 at 12:30 AM

Wow. The childish insult happened while we were on our 25-hour journey across the Pacific, so I never heard of it until just now.

Did it make the mainstream media headlines, or was it just the conservative media covering it?

If Bush had said anything anywhere near that stupid…

itsnotaboutme on August 29, 2013 at 3:18 AM

I think that one thing most Americans just don’t understand is how much more history most of the Old World countries have compared to us. Not just because their history is longer, but because we Americans tend, by nature, to be an optimistic, forward-looking people, whereas many Europeans and Asians and such are still holding national, regional, and even familial grievances going back centuries or more.

It’s a mindset most Americans just can’t understand, I think.

Hayabusa on August 28, 2013 at 10:49 PM

Indeed.
Where I live in the Philippines, many people absolutely hate Japan for what they did 70+ years ago, despite the $Billions worth of aid that Japan has sent here.

itsnotaboutme on August 29, 2013 at 3:21 AM

They warned us that if we voted for Romney, our president’s thoughtlessness would antagonize Russia into working against our interests, and they were right!

Fabozz on August 29, 2013 at 3:33 AM

coldwarrior on August 28, 2013 at 9:12 PM

Based on his profile and your study of him, how do you see Putin responding (or getting even)?

conservative pilgrim on August 29, 2013 at 7:03 AM

O is wayyy out of his depth in his current position, which is obvious to anyone except his Obamaphone addicts and the propaganda machine of the MSM.

I’m enjoying the derision that Putin is showing toward him. We are the losers having a classless sod like O as our leader and representing the U.S. on any national scene.

avagreen on August 29, 2013 at 7:06 AM

Hayabusa on August 28, 2013 at 10:49 PM

All that and more… and, if any journalist had the imagination (or the nerve), they’d research what the popular/common slang words are for ‘blacks’.

I don’t think they’d be terribly amused.

conservative pilgrim on August 29, 2013 at 7:03 AM

He’s doing it… right now.

Obozo’s about to get his Mom’s jeans-wearing arse handed to him in ways he can’t even imagine.

CPT. Charles on August 29, 2013 at 7:22 AM

Indeed.
Where I live in the Philippines, many people absolutely hate Japan for what they did 70+ years ago, despite the $Billions worth of aid that Japan has sent here.

itsnotaboutme on August 29, 2013 at 3:21 AM

In my experience, the typical reaction to being given long term charity is not love. Teach a man to fish and he can take care of himself. Give him a man a fish over and over, and he thinks you’re a rich sucker who won life’s lottery.

Fenris on August 29, 2013 at 7:54 AM

One way Putin is trying to undermine the West is through control of natural resources, particularly energy. He knows the lefties have a hard on for the pristine environment in their own backyard only. Obama’s one effort to help Putin (withholding drilling permits and the Keystone pipeline) would’ve been more successful without fracking. But another Obama effort to help Putin by destabilizing the Middle East may pay off by pushing them into the USSR’s sphere of influence.

Maybe this is all just too obvious to bother writing down, but it doesn’t seem to be obvious to the anti-civilization left.

Fenris on August 29, 2013 at 8:10 AM

conservative pilgrim on August 29, 2013 at 7:03 AM

What was that conversation between Ugarte and Rick in Casablanca?

Ugarte: You despise me, don’t you?

Rick: If I gave you any thought I probably would.

Response to insult?

Putin is generally not the sort to lash out like an impetuous child. Unless forced to…backed into a corner where his own power is threatened. Where the good name of Russia is insulted deeply.

Pray that not one Russian is injured in Syria. The Georgian Republic will become Russian property immediately…as will other near-abroad nations…in time…maybe after the Sochi Games…Russia needs the money and prestige.

Threaten him directly…a real threat…like a Russian journalist breaking a story that puts Putin in a very bad light? Polonium comes to mind. Paint him in panties and a bra? You may end up painting rocks around the prison yard for a decade or so.

As for foreign leaders and nations?

In general, Putin’s revenge is more along the lines of carrying on as if that leader never existed at all. He does not suffer fools.

If Obama? Putin will do what he wishes with China, maybe get them to turn the screws here or there. Or try to drive a wedge between the US and some ally somewhere, with subtlety, of course.

Or, perhaps, find something that he knows will just send Obama reeling…and do it…just because.

Putin understands the bottom line. In the end, what is best for him, but more importantly, what is best for Russia, and Putin can see no distinction.

He is historic far far more than Obama when it comes to power, position, and that melding of self to nation..from the Russian perspective.

He knows how to play hard ball, no comparison at all to politics Chicago style…more like the old Mob on mega steroids…and he can and has made sure opponents have ended up very very dead very very fast…and Obama? Talks a great game…but it is a game. Putin? it is real life writ large…it is power in raw form.

For all intents and purposes, he is Tsar.

Russia may not have all the high-tech gadgetry, and its consumer products pale, and it is still essentially a third world country with nukes…but…Russia today is again in a strong position, afte the chaos of the Yeltsin years, and Putin had no fondmness for Yeltsin…he does not suffer fools,rfmember? Russia today is much much stronger than in the days of Tsar Nicholas II, and far far more influential…not yet at the Zenith of Catherine the Great or that Dzhugashvili guy. Give it time.

Is Putin a devoted Communist? He was.

Was he a Believer? No. He was never a chernozhopa…he knew how to use them though, intimidate them, make them make him, Putin, more legitimate. In business, it is called networking.

He was an opportunist…and a good one. He turned his crummy Dresden assignment into gold…and forged his path to the top from the outside in. He was never a favorite of the insiders, the nomenklatura, the Party bosses. But, he was effective, ruthless when need be, and in general without flaw or indiscretion…and keeping the KGB and Party hierarchy on its heels in his career…well, it paid off in spades.

Meet him? Look him in the eye, firmly shake his hand, never taking eyes off his…exude power, or firm grace…no pretense…never bow, or grovel…or toss him a limp wrist lady hand shake…he is taking measure of you. And he remembers.

Call him a slacker…you have just become zero in his book. If a Russian…make out your will If a foreign leader? He will get his when he wishes…he will.

Just an opinion. Nothing more.

coldwarrior on August 29, 2013 at 8:25 AM

but president kardashian got in the best dis!! he was “doin’ the dozens” and he won! he showed that putin who’s the man,

chasdal on August 29, 2013 at 9:57 AM

I wish Putin would come out and say that Obama looks like a drug-addled big-eared doofus, but that’s probably too much to ask, huh?

changer1701 on August 28, 2013 at 9:19 PM

Putin understands Barry’s psychological makeup better than that. That’s why he had his flunky lob the “monkey with a hand grenade” remark. Went right at Barry’s key vulnerabilities: his insecurities about his race (and his obsession with perceived racial insults), and his conceits about his intelligence and toughness.

AZCoyote on August 29, 2013 at 11:01 AM

Grudge? I doubt it very much.

Since Obama got caught making (over the microphone) nuke deals with this cunning Kremlin cutie, I suspect that they need a big defection to allow that betrayal to happen quietly, thus, little is better (It’s the Chicago way)than a crisis to allow a public spat, solving the problem.

Nothing is too low for these deceivers to do, nothing.

Don L on August 29, 2013 at 11:31 AM

I forgot to point out that Barry is already backing down, with the full cover of his compliant media (bad WMD intelligence AP)hence making my way out theory, less way out. Mission accomplished!

Don L on August 29, 2013 at 11:33 AM

Er… He does look like the bored kid in the back of the classroom, always thinking he’s smarter than everyone else and too cool for school.

alwaysfiredup on August 28, 2013 at 7:51 PM

Even if you think so, do you say it in public? Is that “smart power”? This administration is just plain stupid about just about everything.

goflyers on August 29, 2013 at 11:38 AM

Grudge? I doubt it very much.

Since Obama got caught making (over the microphone) nuke deals with this cunning Kremlin cutie…

Don L on August 29, 2013 at 11:31 AM

Obama made the offer, I see no evidence Putin had to do anything in return. Obama just likes to bow to powerful people, maybe he thinks they’ll like him for it.

Fenris on August 29, 2013 at 11:50 AM

On the other hand, it goes right over Obama’s head when we call him a community organizer.

TexasDan on August 29, 2013 at 12:56 PM

Smartass power.

onomo on August 29, 2013 at 2:51 PM

As Obama talks down to putin
don’t be surprised if we loose a few planes to Russian made SAMS over Syria
putin is old school hard core,

sniffles1999 on August 29, 2013 at 9:19 PM

He knows how to play hard ball, no comparison at all to politics Chicago style…more like the old Mob on mega steroids…and he can and has made sure opponents have ended up very very dead very very fast…and Obama? Talks a great game…but it is a game. Putin? it is real life writ large…it is power in raw form.

coldwarrior on August 29, 2013 at 8:25 AM

Thanks for the response. I haven’t studied him like you have, but I do recognize this difference. I had the thought earlier that perhaps Obama’s is playing a mind game with Putin (calling him a “slacker”) and attempting to call his bluff. If so, it shows how amateurish Obama truly is.

conservative pilgrim on August 29, 2013 at 9:58 PM