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Update: NYPD won’t answer questions about Bloomberg’s gun stunt

posted at 8:44 am on August 20, 2013 by

I have an extensive update on Bloomberg’s gun stunt from yesterday over at Townhall. I called NYPD to ask about basic gun safety measures and  was promptly hung up on. I called back and got a little more information, but not much. The basic excuse for hundreds of guns being pointed at the audience with the bolts closed, safeties off and magazines in was “they weren’t loaded,” so it doesn’t matter.

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Gun Safety Rule #1: ALL GUNS ARE ALWAYS LOADED.
The next time you hear the argument that police are trained and responsible with guns, while civilians are not, remember the incident related in this story.

kjatexas on August 20, 2013 at 8:54 AM

Why liberals shouldn’t have guns. They don’t want them anyway. Confiscate them and give them to Conservatives.

smoothsailing on August 20, 2013 at 8:54 AM

NYPD doesn’t exactly have a stellar record when it comes to firearms. Remember Amadou Diallo? Or the 2 NYPD cops that shot all the innocent bystanders while pursuing the Empire State Building murder perp? Not surprised that they aren’t up-to-date on firearm safety.

Bitter Clinger on August 20, 2013 at 9:01 AM

“they weren’t loaded,”

Yes they were. Guns are always loaded. We have absolutely no reason to listen to these @ssholes anymore on anything.

rbj on August 20, 2013 at 9:01 AM

Something useful I learned from my Law 101 class in college…

If the victim doesn’t know it’s not loaded, it doesn’t matter if it was loaded or not… an assault still took place. All that has to matter is did the victim believe that they were in danger. If so…

Bloomburg should be charged with assault with a deadly weapon.

dominigan on August 20, 2013 at 9:19 AM

I am not exercised about this. Every gun shop I have ever been in has their handguns displayed pointing toward the customers (granted, generally in cases). Same for gun shows (no cases). Do a Google images search for gun shop or gun show.

It seems to me, a lot of these “gun safety hypocrisy” type stories only feed the gun control argument; e.g., these guns are so inherently dangerous that they can’t even sit on a table checked and unloaded without posing a threat. Or, they are so dangerous that even trained professionals can’t be trusted to display them properly, how can we trust the general public with them?

This one is silly. Now a story about why they were confiscated might be much more interesting.

m2 on August 20, 2013 at 9:51 AM

Obama’s Fascist America is going to push for depriving everyone of their civil rights tomorrow:

Gun Control Day: Stop “Organizing for Action”–take your own action this month
http://dailycaller.com/2013/08/19/stop-organizing-for-action-take-your-own-action-this-month/

OFA has set Wednesday, August 21 as “Gun Control” day. NRA members need to stand-up now and let their elected officials know they will not sit by and let the Constitution be trampled, nor will they be blamed for the insidious acts of criminals and lunatics.

Please contact your elected officials now, and respectfully urge them to protect our constitutional right to keep and bear arms.

Southern by choice22 on August 20, 2013 at 10:13 AM

At a gun show, all actions are locked open with a ziptie or otherwise disabled to clearly show they are unloaded. There are no such safety measures on display here. For all I know everyone of these guns is loaded and the mechanical safety is disengaged.

Mini-14 on August 20, 2013 at 10:14 AM

At a gun show, all actions are locked open with a ziptie or otherwise disabled to clearly show they are unloaded.

Mini-14 on August 20, 2013 at 10:14 AM

That’s what I was thinking. Don’t purveyors of guns usually run something through the barrel to ensure it is not in a firing position…?

JohnGalt23 on August 20, 2013 at 10:19 AM

At a gun show, all actions are locked open with a ziptie or otherwise disabled to clearly show they are unloaded.

Mini-14 on August 20, 2013 at 10:14 AM

And magazines are removed so the sellers don’t have to worry about someone stealing them.

And the gun stores I’ve been in display guns pointing towards the end of the counter, not out into the store, because customers can get a better look at the guns that way. Same thing at gun shows. The guns are displayed pointing towards the end of the table, not out into the aisle where people are walking.

Rip Ford on August 20, 2013 at 10:29 AM

At least they weren’t serving salt, trans-fat, and Big Gulps at that press conference.

JetBoy on August 20, 2013 at 10:42 AM

Mini-14 on August 20, 2013 at 10:14 AM

Rip Ford on August 20, 2013 at 10:29 AM

Valid point that at the shows I’ve been to, all guns in the building have a zip tie in them. But a lot of vendors do point the weapons out at the aisles.
However, I’ve seen guns pointed in all directions at various stores. Many do have them pointing out at the customers, and with no zip ties keeping them open.
In ALL cases when I’ve been to a gun store, when someone wants to look at a gun, the clerk opens and checks it to ensure it is empty before handing it to anyone.
On the other hand, I’ve had at least one idiot (actually 2 counting his buddy) wave loaded guns at me and others on the firing line. Range Safety finally kicked them out after the 4th time, but RSOs had only directly seen 2 of them. I was already packed up and off the line by then….

dentarthurdent on August 20, 2013 at 12:19 PM

Gun safety rules don’t apply in New York state. They’re magical.

CrustyB on August 20, 2013 at 12:20 PM

Gun safety rules don’t apply in New York state. They’re magical.

CrustyB on August 20, 2013 at 12:20 PM

Wellll, if those uppity people of NY who want guns would just leave ALL guns in the hands of the highly trained police(////), then nobody would ever have to worry about gun safety, right?…..

dentarthurdent on August 20, 2013 at 12:25 PM

Search gun shop or gun show on Google. Or come to any of those around my area. Many guns can still fire even without a magazine in it and revolvers are usually displayed closed.

My point is that while I would certainly prefer guns to be pointed away from me, checked and sitting on a table with no one handling it or behind a counter does not pose a real safety risk. Calling up the police as if they are bombs just waiting to go off just emphasizes Bloomberg’s point that we better melt these down as soon as possible. I don’t think that is helpful.

m2 on August 20, 2013 at 12:31 PM

Shut up, they explained.

Galtian on August 20, 2013 at 12:42 PM

I am not exercised about this. Every gun shop I have ever been in has their handguns displayed pointing toward the customers (granted, generally in cases). Same for gun shows (no cases). Do a Google images search for gun shop or gun show.

A gun case cannot pull a trigger or commit an assault. Those actions are reserved to humans, who can do both, and did.

If you like, you can do a “Google” search for accidental discharge, or you can take a look at this YouTube video of a DEA Agent discharging a weapon while lecturing on gun safety: http://youtu.be/tZdeAVOiQmU

How many times does this have to be repeated: guns (in cases or laying on a table) don’t kill, people do. Why is this difficult to grasp?

If you went into one of those gun shops or to one of those gun shows and watched a gun owner actually pick up one of those weapons, you would see that they (as opposed to the gun case) never point it at another human being.

IndieDogg on August 20, 2013 at 12:51 PM

The NYPD must be getting their gun training from Hollywood.

Do they shoot with “Homie sights” too?

hoakie on August 20, 2013 at 12:52 PM

No excuses for atrocious gun handling. All guns are loaded. Never point at something you don’t want to destroy. Finger off the trigger. Know your backstop. My son learned these rules when he was 12 and when ever we go shooting we always review before we uncase the weapons.

jaywemm on August 20, 2013 at 1:11 PM

The NYPD must be getting their gun training from Hollywood.

Do they shoot with “Homie sights” too?

hoakie on August 20, 2013 at 12:52 PM

I’m thinking more like “gangsta style”- you know, with the weapon turned sideway for extra jamming.

At times, I honestly believe the NYPD is this stupid. This is one of those times. The man responsible for this should have refused that order. A lot of people were put at grave risk just so NYPD could perform an idiotic publicity stunt. Hanging up on Katie twice proves they knew they effed up.

BillH on August 20, 2013 at 1:49 PM

Stupid is as Stupid does!

At least they know the First Rule of Holes.

Another Drew on August 20, 2013 at 1:53 PM

At age 9
July 1967, YMCA summer Camp Piomingo Near Radcliff KY.

Basic Rifle Marksmanship class

All guns are always to be treated as if they are always loaded at all times.

Wallythedog on August 20, 2013 at 2:11 PM

How many times does this have to be repeated: guns (in cases or laying on a table) don’t kill, people do. Why is this difficult to grasp?

If you went into one of those gun shops or to one of those gun shows and watched a gun owner actually pick up one of those weapons, you would see that they (as opposed to the gun case) never point it at another human being.

IndieDogg on August 20, 2013 at 12:51 PM

That’s my point, and why I think “guns sitting on a table dangerously” is a non-story.

m2 on August 20, 2013 at 5:37 PM

Hats off to Katie Pavlich for great reporting.

Capitalist Hog on August 20, 2013 at 8:35 PM