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Headline of the day: “Fetus” found in high school bathroom?

posted at 12:01 pm on May 2, 2013 by

Excuse me? Isn’t a fetus outside the womb an actual baby?  Not according to the Central PA Patriot-News, apparently, and not just in the headline:

A 19-year-old McCaskey East High School student was charged with concealing the death of a child after she reportedly gave birth to a fetus that was found dead in a school bathroom Tuesday night.

Cherlie LaFleur, of the 300 block of North Marshall Street, was identified by police and school resource Officer David Shell after they reviewed school surveillance footage and conducted extensive interviews at the school where the male infant was apparently born prematurely Tuesday night, according to a Lancaster city police press release.

After giving birth in the bathroom, LaFleur allegedly tried to flush the infant down a toilet and, when that failed, she put it in a trash can, police said.

Yes, it’s an infant after it emerges from the birth canal, not a fetus. In other words, a baby — in this case, which its mother tried to toss away.

Mollie Hemingway is aghast at the reporting, as is Steven Greydanus:

Only in Kermit Gosnell’s chamber of horrors.

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This reporter, Lorenzo Falcone is a 41 year old Fetus.

portlandon on May 2, 2013 at 12:07 PM

See how the left gradually changes the vernacular? This is not a bug, it’s a feature.

Pretty soon a “fetus” will be a baby the mother doesn’t want, and she will have a 48 hour rescission period after birth where she can ask the doctor to terminate the “fetus”. Once the mother leaves the hospital it will be considered a “baby” or “infant” as those of us that are human like to refer to them.

These people do not even understand their own subconscious depravity, even when it comes through in their articles.

goflyers on May 2, 2013 at 12:18 PM

I wonder who the babyfetus-daddy was that caused the babyfetus-bump.

Forget viability, it’s only a “baby” if they want it.

redzap on May 2, 2013 at 12:22 PM

Make abortion illegal so we can read this story daily.

Mmm...Burritos on May 2, 2013 at 12:25 PM

NYT: Youngster goes to school bathroom for a smoke, falls in toilet and dies

The Rogue Tomato on May 2, 2013 at 12:26 PM

Who could forget this gem as the left slowly changes the ethical mores of society http://newsbusters.org/blogs/tom-blumer/2012/02/29/journal-medical-ethics-paper-after-birth-abortion-why-should-baby-live

Imrahil on May 2, 2013 at 12:29 PM

How big was it? A 12 weeker? A 16 weeker? Jeez some of you people better cover your sensitive ears in any emergency room across the nation because they’re not going to call a two inch fetus passed in a miscarriage a “baby” because “fetus” implies immaturity and is perfectly appropriate to all but the rabid.

Marcus on May 2, 2013 at 12:30 PM

This was no accident. It’s all part of the dehumanization campaign of the Left…if it’s not a baby, no worries, right?

It’s very hard for me to understand how someone can try to flush another human being down a toilet, or just toss them in the garbage…especially when it’s your own flesh and blood. We get all wound up about animal abuse stories (as we should), but things like this don’t seem to receive the same outcry. It’s a sick, sick world we live in.

changer1701 on May 2, 2013 at 12:34 PM

Steven D. Greydanus @DecentFilms

“Gave birth to a fetus”? Really? Has anyone in the history of English ever talked about “giving birth to a fetus”? @MZHemingway
10:48 AM – 2 May 2013

It’s a miscarriage, stupid. Know anybody who’s had one? Did you go up to them and ask “oh when did you “give birth” to that “baby”?”

Marcus on May 2, 2013 at 12:37 PM

How big was it? A 12 weeker? A 16 weeker? Jeez some of you people better cover your sensitive ears in any emergency room across the nation because they’re not going to call a two inch fetus passed in a miscarriage a “baby” because “fetus” implies immaturity and is perfectly appropriate to all but the rabid.

Marcus on May 2, 2013 at 12:30 PM

From the report via county coroner’s office it was 27 to 29 weeks — about seven months. Standard case for Gosnell. Based on the million dollar bail, that she tried to flush it and it did not fit so just tossed it in the trash. Fetus does not fit as a description. But if the coroner does find it was a miscarriage it will still just be a miscarriage baby.

tjexcite on May 2, 2013 at 12:43 PM

Sorry, Marcus…

While an initial autopsy of the infant by the county coroner’s office concluded that the infant was likely 27 to 29 weeks — about seven months — into gestation, city police have not yet released whether the infant was alive when LaFleur attempted to conceal it.

27 – 29 weeks. This was a baby.

Chris of Rights on May 2, 2013 at 12:46 PM

Marcus on May 2, 2013 at 12:30 PM

It was reportedly too large to be flushed.
Miscarriage or not, she had no intention of letting it live … without further examination, we’re not sure if was born alive/viable, etc.

I’ve known plenty of friends who’ve experienced miscarriages, and we’ve always referred to those as babies.

pambi on May 2, 2013 at 12:49 PM

I’ve known plenty of friends who’ve experienced miscarriages, and we’ve always referred to those as babies.

pambi on May 2, 2013 at 12:49 PM

Indeed. We planted a tree in our backyard to help us remember our little lost child.

Chris of Rights on May 2, 2013 at 12:51 PM

Make abortion illegal so we can read this story daily.

Mmm…Burritos on May 2, 2013 at 12:25 PM

Adoption? Never heard of it!

-mmm…burritos

jdpaz on May 2, 2013 at 12:52 PM

tjexcite on May 2, 2013 at 12:43 PM

Thanks, I hadn’t finished reading when I posted.
Good Lord.

pambi on May 2, 2013 at 12:53 PM

My point is “fetus” is not some evil term and often is used without malicious intent always attached to it. Does the medical literature refer to 40 week “fetuses”? It nearly always does.

Marcus on May 2, 2013 at 12:54 PM

How big was it? A 12 weeker? A 16 weeker? Jeez some of you people better cover your sensitive ears in any emergency room across the nation because they’re not going to call a two inch fetus passed in a miscarriage a “baby” because “fetus” implies immaturity and is perfectly appropriate to all but the rabid.

Marcus on May 2, 2013 at 12:30 PM

My wife and I have personally been through the heart-wrenching experience that is a miscarriage, and I can attest to the fact that not one person involved in the process ever used the term “fetus.” And we were most definitely in a hospital emergency room.

Shump on May 2, 2013 at 12:54 PM

Once the mother leaves the hospital it will be considered a “baby” or “infant” as those of us that are human like to refer to them.

Like driving a car off the dealership lot.

This is the logical endgame for the left, but it won’t happen, as support for abortion drops every year. I’d love to see them argue it, though, since support can’t drop fast enough, as far as I’m concerned.

mintycrys on May 2, 2013 at 12:57 PM

Marcus on May 2, 2013 at 12:54 PM

I call BS.
Unless your intent is to kill it, I suppose … then it CAN’T be a baby.

pambi on May 2, 2013 at 12:59 PM

I’ve known plenty of friends who’ve experienced miscarriages, and we’ve always referred to those as babies.

pambi on May 2, 2013 at 12:49 PM

That’s because you all cared. The author doesn’t.

Like driving a car off the dealership lot.

mintycrys on May 2, 2013 at 12:57 PM

Unfortunately, this is the way our society is trending. Babies are an accessory, not a living being to be loved and nurtured as the continuation of your family (genetically or not).

Does the medical literature refer to 40 week “fetuses”? It nearly always does.

Marcus on May 2, 2013 at 12:54 PM

GWB on May 2, 2013 at 1:09 PM

Does the medical literature refer to 40 week “fetuses”? It nearly always does.

Marcus on May 2, 2013 at 12:54 PM

GWB on May 2, 2013 at 1:09 PM

Fark. I dorked that one up.

To Marcus: They don’t generally refer to them as fetuses once they have exited the birth canal.

GWB on May 2, 2013 at 1:10 PM

I’ve known plenty of friends who’ve experienced miscarriages, and we’ve always referred to those as babies.

pambi on May 2, 2013 at 12:49 PM

When my wife miscarried at 7 weeks last year we reffered to him/her as a baby.

DethMetalCookieMonst on May 2, 2013 at 1:15 PM

As to the article, it’s profoundly saddening. The young woman (she’s 19, in High School) was so scared or so callous that she tried to hide the baby’s body. Let’s give her the benefit of the doubt and assume it was a miscarriage, and she wasn’t happy about it. There has to be some powerful forces in her life driving her to this. I don’t think the police should drop her prosecution, but I do think we (as a society, not the government) need to look around and try – as much as we can – to correct this sort of evil influence when we see it.

Pray regularly for all the unborn. For their lives, and for those that bear them.

GWB on May 2, 2013 at 1:16 PM

Hmm, they have TWO articles on it; one is properly worded; the one with a different author, written later, has the ‘fetus’ use.

michaelo on May 2, 2013 at 12:57 PM

Great catch – thank you

inviolet on May 2, 2013 at 1:17 PM

My point is “fetus” is not some evil term and often is used without malicious intent always attached to it. Does the medical literature refer to 40 week “fetuses”? It nearly always does.

Marcus on May 2, 2013 at 12:54 PM

If it’s used to dehumanize, then it is an evil term. It’s not really hard to follow. “Fetus” is technically accurate up to birth, but it’s also technically accurate to refer to any unborn life as a fetus. A chicken before it hatches is also a fetus, for example.

Which is why fetus is the wrong term to describe an unborn baby in the context of abortion. Sure, it’s scientifically accurate, just like it’s scientifically accurate to refer to a human as an animal. But if you dismiss a murder as a “termination of animal life,” then you’re engaging in semantic euphemisms to avoid the more correct word, murder.

There Goes the Neighborhood on May 2, 2013 at 1:26 PM

It was just a cluster of cells. A very large cluster, but cluster nonetheless.

cat-scratch on May 2, 2013 at 1:39 PM

How big was it? A 12 weeker? A 16 weeker? Jeez some of you people better cover your sensitive ears in any emergency room across the nation because they’re not going to call a two inch fetus passed in a miscarriage a “baby” because “fetus” implies immaturity and is perfectly appropriate to all but the rabid.

Marcus on May 2, 2013 at 12:30 PM

Since the article indicated that the BABY was between 27-29 weeks, I can only conclude you lack reading comprehension.

Since my daughter was born at 25 weeks, and is now a grown adult with our first grandchild, I can also conclude you’re a jack@ss who doesn’t understand the value of human life.

dominigan on May 2, 2013 at 1:48 PM

Hey, I once got into a debate with a guy who argued that a foetus wasn’t a person until he graduated from high school. Yes, we give foetuses driver’s licences and we even let 50 year-old high-school dropout foetuses vote.

It is said that socialism is the equal distribution of misery, but I would argue that it is also the equal distribution of stupidity. Since we cannot ‘redistribute’ intelligence and knowledge, we have to dumb down everyone else to the level of the least-common denominator. Cut all of those uppity people and nations down to size.

Resist We Much on May 2, 2013 at 1:50 PM

My point is “fetus” is not some evil term and often is used without malicious intent always attached to it. Does the medical literature refer to 40 week “fetuses”? It nearly always does.

Marcus on May 2, 2013 at 12:54 PM

And you have a valid point. Not one that has any relevance in this discussion, however.

From Ed:

Excuse me? Isn’t a fetus outside the womb an actual baby?

Yes, it’s an infant after it emerges from the birth canal, not a fetus. In other words, a baby — in this case, which its mother tried to toss away.

From the article:

A 19-year-old McCaskey East High School student was charged with concealing the death of a child after she reportedly gave birth to a fetus that was found dead in a school bathroom Tuesday night.

Ed is pointing out the misuse of the term, and it’s dehumanizing significance. Your point is entirely irrelevant.

Chris of Rights on May 2, 2013 at 1:57 PM

Just like a miscarriage is a “spontaneous abortion,” and a proper medical term…it’s nonetheless something that’s used in research papers and in insurance billing codes and reports to file… “32yo f presented with suspected complete s.a., bp stable, tranx to OR for exam for poc and d&c as required. Advised f.u. w/1*obgyn within two weeks. Meds: ibu as needed and rest.”

And that might be how orderlies who have to clean up the sheets and bring the biohazards to the incinerator are instructed…shop talk.

But no physician or nurse I have ever been in contact with has ever used the word fetus to me or anyone I know. Fetus is what you say to a woman who does not want the baby she is carrying and either expresses her desire to not be pregnant or the physician is trying to distance the humanity of her baby so the hard decision (trisomies, serious defects) is more euphemistically described…as if that makes it easier.

TMI

I’ve had two miscarriages…one at 9 wks and one who died around 13 wks. We buried the second one in a cemetery with a marker. She had died and I had to bear her a week later. Meredith was a baby. She had all her human parts on the outside and inside. She was just a very small baby. She was about as big as a man’s hand wrist to fingertip. We had a gross pathology report prepared, and I made them send samples to the county pathologist.

You don’t do that for a “fetus.”

The 9wk (this means 7 wks after conception) was very small and I rescued “him” from the toilet at work and buried him in a cemetery next to a WWI soldier, to watch over him. He is forever “Baby Hat Trick” (3rd) and is also forever honored.

end TMI

Teenagers do not have good judgment. This teen did not want this baby or was scared that she wouldn’t be able to handle it, since she had no “proof of concept.”

This happens. It would behoove these idiot not-subtle culture-warriors to write about it dispassionately until the coroner’s report comes out. Here’s the big secret, writers: there is no medical difference between a fetus and a baby. There’s a difference between an embryo and a baby, but even that is a misnomer. It’s an embryonic human. It’s a fetal human, it’s an infant human. It’s a juvenile human. It’s a pubescent human. It’s an immature adult human. It’s an adult human. It’s a geriatric human.

It’s just a continuum. Semantics is the tool of the Left, as it is the cheapest, most weasely weapon they can use.

PS: Years ago, and four beautiful children, I couldn’t be happier. Also doing some science writing on new discoveries in infection in gestation and targeted antibiotic therapies. Hope you see me published someday!

winoceros on May 2, 2013 at 2:04 PM

gave birth to a fetus that was found dead

Doesn’t something have to be living before it can die?

blammm on May 2, 2013 at 2:12 PM

It’s a miscarriage, stupid. Know anybody who’s had one? Did you go up to them and ask “oh when did you “give birth” to that “baby”?”

Marcus on May 2, 2013 at 12:37 PM

By my count, we’re now up to four posters in this thread who’ve admitted to miscarriages by themselves or their spouses and have thought of the child as a baby.

It can be a heart-wrenching experience. I suggest you try a little less condescension and a little more compassion.

Chris of Rights on May 2, 2013 at 2:13 PM

On-line article has be updated: “This story has been changed from an earlier version to correct terminology.”

dont taze me bro on May 2, 2013 at 2:19 PM

dont taze me bro on May 2, 2013 at 2:19 PM

Cool.

pambi on May 2, 2013 at 2:22 PM

Here we stand at the crossroads of yet another conflict. One I was hoping we wouldn’t have to fight.

And that is the war (and future wars) over meaning.

The left sits high upon their wall as humpty dumpty of Wonderland, doling out and judging upon the meaning of words as if he were God himself. Changing their meanings to his whim as he sees fit. The only laws of word-craft that he obeys at any given time are those who fit his desires and objectives. To him… a word is nothing but a tool, fit to be used in any way he wants towards any purpose he wants.

The left does this even now in murderous fashion. Using the word ‘fetus’ to brand any unwanted child to death and to justify it. To them a baby is simply a clump of cells… a thing… and object to be kept if desired or discarded otherwise. Such a practice is not only murderous but naturally lends itself towards dishonesty and further sin.

They use such word-craft to enhance their position and justify their immoral and damnable actions. They use it to justify their theft and extol and even exalt their own murderous ways.

I pray that there is a God because if there is not then there is no difference between such practices and the honesty and beauty of a pure and set language.

I pray that there is some justice somewhere… it sure doesn’t look like there’s any here though.

Chaz706 on May 2, 2013 at 2:23 PM

It’s okay. He was just following the newest version of the Liberal AP Style Guide.

blammm on May 2, 2013 at 2:26 PM

It’s a miscarriage, stupid. Know anybody who’s had one? Did you go up to them and ask “oh when did you “give birth” to that “baby”?”

Marcus on May 2, 2013 at 12:37 PM

Actually, final autopsy results are pending; nevertheless, it will not be classified as a miscarriage due to gestational age. If the foetus was dead at birth, then it will be deemed a stillbirth because the foetus was at a typically viable gestational age. If the child was born alive and then died, it was NOT stillborn. It was either murdered or died of natural causes, which can still bring charges of neglect and failure to report.

Resist We Much on May 2, 2013 at 2:27 PM

Pretty soon a “fetus” will be a baby the mother doesn’t want, and she will have a 48 hour rescission period after birth where she can ask the doctor to terminate the “fetus”. Once the mother leaves the hospital it will be considered a “baby” or “infant” as those of us that are human like to refer to them.

These people do not even understand their own subconscious depravity, even when it comes through in their articles.

goflyers on May 2, 2013 at 12:18 PM

Exactly right. Fetus, as far as the left is concerned, is a word meaning an unwanted baby. Babies who are wanted are called babies, babies who are unwanted are fetuses that can be trashed.

thebrokenrattle on May 2, 2013 at 2:33 PM

It’s a miscarriage, stupid. Know anybody who’s had one? Did you go up to them and ask “oh when did you “give birth” to that “baby”?”

Marcus on May 2, 2013 at 12:37 PM

I lost my baby at 10 weeks.

FUMarcus

cptacek on May 2, 2013 at 2:44 PM

RWM- I just have to say I always appreciate your great posts! I lurk more than post so I enjoy having very thought out/informative arguments to read! Thanks!

maables on May 2, 2013 at 2:45 PM

It’s an embryonic human. It’s a fetal human, it’s an infant human. It’s a juvenile human. It’s a pubescent human. It’s an immature adult human. It’s an adult human. It’s a geriatric human.

It’s just a continuum.

Exactly, exactly, exactly.

Long Legged MacDaddy on May 2, 2013 at 2:47 PM

They changed the headline to “Baby.”

sentinelrules on May 2, 2013 at 3:19 PM

RWM- I just have to say I always appreciate your great posts! I lurk more than post so I enjoy having very thought out/informative arguments to read! Thanks!

maables on May 2, 2013 at 2:45 PM

Dittos. You should check out RWM’s blog sometime.

Jackalope on May 2, 2013 at 3:37 PM

dang, this post reminds me. Today, my dad has been a fetus for 65 years….I better give him a call.

thanks for the reminder Ed./

ted c on May 2, 2013 at 4:17 PM

but, could it walk kermit gosnell all the way home? if it couldn’t then, meh!

ted c on May 2, 2013 at 4:18 PM

Obama voters want Barry to be their sugar daddy fetus

SparkPlug on May 2, 2013 at 4:20 PM

H/t ted c.

Another meme theft almost went unreported.

SparkPlug on May 2, 2013 at 4:22 PM

I think a mother should have the right to kill a baby until it becomes a legal adult or enters politics. Which ever is oldest.

MechanicalBill on May 2, 2013 at 4:38 PM

How do you figure out your age in fetus years?

earlgrey133 on May 2, 2013 at 4:38 PM

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