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A moment’s thought for Russian intelligence agencies

posted at 5:59 pm on April 29, 2013 by

I got home from a long day on the road when I caught up with this brief report.

WASHINGTON (AP) — Russian authorities secretly recorded a telephone conversation in 2011 in which one of the Boston bombing suspects vaguely discussed jihad with his mother, officials said Saturday, days after the U.S. government finally received details about the call.

In another conversation, the mother of now-dead bombing suspect Tamerlan Tsarnaev was recorded talking to someone in southern Russia who is under FBI investigation in an unrelated case, officials said.

You know, there are just a few things – probably impossible in the real world – which would be nice if they could come true.

1. If medical professionals on TV actually have anything better to do with their time, it would be nice if they could stop telling me how I shouldn’t enjoy bacon so much.

2. If hotel bars in Manhattan are actually charging $45 for a Bombay Sapphire martini, it would be nice if they told you that they planned to rob you in that fashion before you have two of them.

and

3. If Russian intelligence agencies actually have a list of people living in the United States whose phones they are tapping and are talking to their moms or whoever about Jihad and possibly attacking the United States, it would be nice IF THEY GAVE US THE FREAKING LIST.

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WHAT IF THEY DID GIVE US THAT LIST?

ParisParamus on April 29, 2013 at 6:32 PM

Didn’t the Israeli’s give the US a heads up about some plans they had for Iran? And didn’t it end up in the New York Times? I acn’t recall the details but I am pretty sure this appened no so long ago. (pre-election maybe?)

Blaise on April 29, 2013 at 6:35 PM

Trust is earned.

aquaviva on April 29, 2013 at 6:39 PM

Dearest vlad give us the list since It is after my re-election and I am canceling missle defense.

Barry.

losarkos on April 29, 2013 at 8:31 PM

The list would contain words that are haram to the FBI. Total confusion.

BL@KBIRD on April 29, 2013 at 9:24 PM

Jazz, baby, you always ask the tab.

IF THEY GAVE US THE FREAKING LIST.

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AshleyTKing on April 29, 2013 at 11:23 PM

3. If Russian intelligence agencies actually have a list of people living in the United States whose phones they are tapping and are talking to their moms or whoever about Jihad and possibly attacking the United States, it would be nice IF THEY GAVE US THE FREAKING LIST.

I had a question about the legality of this on another thread.

Is it legal for the FBI to receive transcripts of tapped phone conversations they could not listen to without a US warrant, just because a foreign agency did it?

If the FBI can’t do it without obtaining permission and a warrant why would it be okay for foreign intelligence agency to do it and tell the FBI all about it?

And then there is the question of why would we expect the Russians to give us info that might reveal their means and methods.

And why do we have to rely on the Russians, of all people, to find terrorists operating in the US? Shouldn’t we be able to do that ourselves? Must I have to count on the Russians to make sure I don’t get blown up at the next sporting event I attend in the US?

We were lucky the Russians told up repeatedly about this guy to begin with. That we then did nothing with the information reveals incompetence and a broken system. Possibly caused by political correctness and a suicidal and neurotic need to not engage in anything that might be deemed by CAIR as “profiling”.

farsighted on April 29, 2013 at 11:24 PM

3. If Russian intelligence agencies actually have a list of people living in the United States whose phones they are tapping and are talking to their moms or whoever about Jihad and possibly attacking the United States, it would be nice IF THEY GAVE US THE FREAKING LIST.

since russia isnt an ally and is in fact about the same status as the old USSR why would you think they would help us at all? even when they requested we interview the guy it was for their security, not ours.

chasdal on April 30, 2013 at 9:03 AM

since russia isnt an ally and is in fact about the same status as the old USSR why would you think they would help us at all? even when they requested we interview the guy it was for their security, not ours.

chasdal on April 30, 2013 at 9:03 AM

Jihad is as great or greater danger to Russia than it is to us. The Chechens have been wreaking havoc there for decades. Islamo-fascism is a threat to ALL western civilization. We have a common interest in crushing it.

JSGreg3 on April 30, 2013 at 9:45 AM

Jazz. You do recall Oboobi telling Putin he just needed more time before he could be “flexible”? The Russians are not stupid like Oboobi and unlike him they are very patriotic, nationalistic even. They are not going to give the creaking list when he failed the test sample with catastrophic consequences.

Let’s just say they have tested his full measure and found.d him a useful idiot. Beck they even know his complete backstory including his grades and source of scholarships. If it suits their plans they will out him. But for now, they will arbitrate what is useful or not from their perspective. Period.

AH_C on April 30, 2013 at 9:51 AM

I read the OP and I consider it absurd. While the Russians and we have mutual enemies in terrorists, that does not make us allies. What you’re essentially saying to them is “make up an enemies list for us.” I’m sure they’ll fill it up with whatever best suits THEM, even if it means framing people who are enemies of Russia, or of Putin, rather than of the US.

Would anyone here be happy at the thought of being arrested in the US based on the word of the SVR? Me neither.

Respectfully,

Brian P.

pendell2 on April 30, 2013 at 10:05 AM

What you’re essentially saying to them is “make up an enemies list for us.” I’m sure they’ll fill it up with whatever best suits THEM, even if it means framing people who are enemies of Russia, or of Putin, rather than of the US.

Would anyone here be happy at the thought of being arrested in the US based on the word of the SVR? Me neither.

pendell2 on April 30, 2013 at 10:05 AM

Good points.

The Russians are not our friends. Among other things, they are backing Assad and the mullahs in Iran.

Most likely the only reason they told us about Tamerlan is they thought he might be involved in a plot against them, due to his direct or indirect contact with shady Islamist militant types in Dagestan and Chechnya.

farsighted on April 30, 2013 at 10:30 AM

Are the Russians our friends? No, clearly. But we have a common enemy in Islamic extremism. The Russians want our cooperation to quash theirs; they seem willing to give us some cooperation in return. I wouldn’t accept a list from the FSB as gospel and arrest people on it alone (it would hardly constitute probable cause), but that’s not what anyone is talkin about anyway. I would take a close look at people the Russians tell us are Islamic militants training or with other ties in Russia.

Zumkopf on April 30, 2013 at 11:01 AM

Why don’t they share the list? Seriously, how long after they told us about the active wiretap they had did the FREAKING NEW YORK TIMES KNOW!!!

THAT is why they won’t share a list. We can’t keep our mouths shut.

This is intelligence work, not police work. Don’t confuse the two. The intel unit gathers and review data. Then it compiles a report and tells the police “Uh dude, this guy and this guy are up to no good and if you look right over here, you’ll find the evidence proving it.” A good cop will thank the intel unit and start working.

A stupid cop will demand to know how the intel unit knew.

Trust me, been there, done that!

The Russians did all they could do to give America a heads up. TWICE! But the obama administration refused to do the right thing- because of CAIR and PC.

You want to get mad, get mad there.

Not the Russians. If they told us or didn’t tell us, it was a win/win for them. As soon as the Chechnen brothers killed Americans, it gave the Russians a green light to increase raids on Chechen terrorists over there. That is what they wanted all along.

archer52 on April 30, 2013 at 11:14 AM