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New book claims Shroud of Turin dates to time of Christ

posted at 11:30 am on March 29, 2013 by

Giulio Fanti is not exactly a disinterested observer, but he claims the science used in his 15 years of investigation into the ancient relic is objective.  Despite previous carbon-14 testing that dated the Shroud of Turin to the medieval period, the latest tests put the origin of the cloth to somewhere between 300 BC and 400 AD.  Or at least that’s what Fanti argues in his new book:

Scientists, including Prof Fanti, used infra-red light and spectroscopy – the measurement of radiation intensity through wavelengths – to analyse fibres from the shroud, which is kept in a special climate-controlled case in Turin.

The tests dated the age of the shroud to between 300 BC and 400AD.

The experiments were carried out on fibres taken from the Shroud during a previous study, in 1988, when they were subjected to carbon-14 dating.

Those tests, conducted by laboratories in Oxford, Zurich and Arizona, appeared to back up the theory that the shroud was a clever medieval fake, suggesting that it dated from 1260 to 1390.

But those results were in turn disputed on the basis that they may have been skewed by contamination by fibres from cloth that was used to repair the relic when it was damaged by fire in the Middle Ages. …

He said his tests backed up earlier results which claimed to have found on the shroud traces of dust and pollen which could only have come from the Holy Land.

The Catholic Church has taken no position on the famous relic.  Instead, it takes a custodial role in protecting it while occasionally presenting it for public viewing.  That will happen tomorrow, the first time in 40 years that the shroud will be displayed, when Italian TV will broadcast images of the shroud along with an introduction from Pope Francis.  There is also a new app for smartphones and tablets called “Shroud 2.0,” which will allow people to peruse high-resolution images of the relic:

For the first time, an app has been created to enable people to explore the holy relic in detail on their smart phones and tablets.

The app, sanctioned by the Catholic Church and called “Shroud 2.0″, features high definition photographs of the cloth and enables users to see details that would otherwise be invisible to the naked eye.

“For the first time in history the most detailed image of the shroud ever achieved becomes available to the whole world, thanks to a streaming system which allows a close-up view of the cloth. Each detail of the cloth can be magnified and visualised in a way which would otherwise not be possible,” Haltadefinizione, the makers of the app, said.

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>profitsbeard on March 31, 2013 at 5:01 PM

Did you even watch the video with the link above^^ (Sudarium & Shroud of Jesus)?

So, I’m guessing you are saying that several someones broke into a tomb somewhere and stole the burial clothes of some other man with “typically Jewish features, a prominent nose and pronounced cheekbones” that had been crucified until he died, with thorn marks on his neck (crown of thorns) here, and that both of these stolen pieces of burial clothing had a rare AB blood type (.7% of the world population has this blood)here.

This is miraculous because “Hebrews and Egyptians have a nearly common blood origin. And even further miraculously is the fact that….. ‘one of the most startling discoveries [in these burial clothes] was detecting myrrh and aloe that was said to be used on the burial cloth (and actually mentioned as being used in the bible). The particular pollen found from around the time of Christ was a special kind endemic only to the area of Jerusalem.’”here
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OK. If you say so.

avagreen on March 31, 2013 at 6:32 PM

Here’s the broken link for ““typically Jewish features, a prominent nose and pronounced cheekbones” that had been crucified until he died, with thorn marks on his neck (crown of thorns).” here.

avagreen on March 31, 2013 at 6:40 PM

Oops, forgot the link for the below quote on blood types. It’s at the very bottom of the page, I believe.
“Hebrews and Egyptians have a nearly common blood origin.” (IOW, these burial clothing pieces had to have been for a Hebrew or a Egyptian [that looked like a Jew.])

avagreen on March 31, 2013 at 6:51 PM

avagreen on March 31, 2013 at 6:51 PM

Thank you for all your links, especially this video:

http://he.cross.tv/44371

To me the most fascinating thing about the head cloth and the Shroud of Turin both sharing the same rare AB blood type is that BLOOD TYPING WASN’T EVEN DISCOVERED UNTIL THE BEGINNING OF THE LAST CENTURY.

So how and why would a forgerer even think of matching them.

Elisa on March 31, 2013 at 9:45 PM

Thought I would bump my posts from the previous page.

My faith does not depend on this shroud and no one’s should.

But I have always been fascinated with the Shroud of Turin and tend to believe it is Christ’s.

Many believe that the head cloth of Jesus is the Sudarium of Oviedo, Spain, which has been there since 631AD.

John 20:3-8: “So Peter and the other disciple went out and came to the tomb. They both ran, but the other disciple ran faster than Peter and arrived at the tomb first; he bent down and saw the burial cloths there, but did not go in. When Simon Peter arrived after him, he went into the tomb and saw the burial cloths there, and the cloth that had covered his head, not with the burial cloths but rolled up in a separate place. Then the other disciple also went in, the one who had arrived at the tomb first, and he saw and believed.”

Here is what I think is so interesting about this head cloth. Even though blood typing wasn’t discovered until the beginning of the 20th century, these 2 cloths (head cloth and Shroud) have the same exact blood type, even though they were separated from each other since at least the 7th century.

Also the shared blood type is AB, which is rare worldwide, but the highest concentration of people with it are found in northern Palestine. Also interesting is that any Eucharistic miracles (also from centuries ago) which have been blood typed also have AB blood.

And always human male AB blood on the 2 cloths and miracles.

Again, blood typing wasn’t known back then.

So interesting.

Happy and blessed Easter to all of you.

Elisa on March 30, 2013 at 7:34 PM

Elisa on March 31, 2013 at 9:48 PM

This link talks about the head cloth in Spain. It also talks about the similarities with the Shroud.

http://www.shroud.com/guscin.htm

It is from a very good website on the Shroud. Lots of scientific details.

http://www.shroud.com/menu.htm

Excerpts:

“From the composition of the main stains, it is evident that the man whose face the sudarium covered died in an upright position. The stains consist of one part blood and six parts fluid from a pleural oedema. This liquid collects in the lungs when a crucified person dies of asphyxiation, and if the body subsequently suffers jolting movements, can come out through the nostrils. These are in fact the main stains visible on the sudarium. . .

. . . Jewish tradition demands that if the face of a dead person was in any way disfigured, it should be covered with a cloth to avoid people seeing this unpleasant sight. This would certainly have been the case with Jesus, whose face was covered in blood from the injuries produced by the crown of thorns and swollen from falling and being struck.

It seems that the sudarium was first used before the dead body was taken down from the cross and discarded when it was buried.”

(end of excerpt)

Elisa on March 30, 2013 at 7:35 PM

Elisa on March 31, 2013 at 9:49 PM

Oh good…I’m glad the link to the Sudarium of Oviedo has been brought up. The blood type match just cemented my belief in the authenticity of the Shroud, particularly as Elisa points out that they couldn’t match blood when these too artifacts where first documented. Even more amazing is when you compare that to something like the Eucharistic Miracle of Lanciano, which has been documented since the seventh century. Yep…blood type AB. Jesus is real. He lived, suffered and died for us, and He is truly risen! And He left the Shroud of Turin as evidence for the doubting Thomases. ;)

Deo Gratias!

Happy Easter, Hotair.

pannw on March 31, 2013 at 11:15 PM

Yep…blood type AB. Jesus is real. He lived, suffered and died for us, and He is truly risen! And He left the Shroud of Turin as evidence for the doubting Thomases.

Deo Gratias!

Happy Easter, Hotair.

pannw on March 31, 2013 at 11:15 PM

HE IS RISEN INDEED!

Happy Easter to you and God bless you.

(and at some point in our lives we are all doubting Thomases to some degree or another and need to be reminded of His truth. And Our Lord loved him and us anyway. He knows us all better than we know ourselves.)

Elisa on April 1, 2013 at 9:43 AM

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