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Re: France and the Brexit

posted at 9:31 pm on January 22, 2013 by

Erika, the complaint from France about David Cameron’s demands to negotiate a separate deal for the UK’s participation in the EU almost made me spit out my dinner.  “[N]obody in Europe can accept that a state can pick and choose [which rules it accepts],” says one Hollande adviser.  Perhaps they should read their own history in multi-lateral organizations.  For decades, France refused to fully participate in NATO, and refused to allow the US to station strategic weapons — while expecting American defense support, of course:

In 1966, President Charles De Gaulle decided to withdraw France from NATO’s integrated military structure. This reflected the desire for greater military independence, particularly vis-à-vis the United States, and the refusal to integrate France’s nuclear deterrent or accept any form of control over its armed forces.

In practical terms, while France still fully participated in the political instances of the Organization, it was no longer represented on certain committees, for instance, the Defence Planning Committee and the Nuclear Planning Group. This decision also led to the removal of French forces from NATO commands and foreign forces from French territory. The stationing of foreign weapons, including nuclear weapons, was also banned. NATO’s political headquarters (based in Paris since 1952), as well as the Supreme Headquarters Allied Powers Europe or SHAPE (in Rocquencourt since 1951) moved to Belgium.

Cameron should tell Hollande that he’s just following the De Gaulle Precedent.

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De Gaulle of this man!

AshleyTKing on January 22, 2013 at 9:55 PM

“[N]obody in Europe can accept that a state can pick and choose [which rules it accepts],”

What the hell are the French going to do about it…LOL!

William Eaton on January 22, 2013 at 10:07 PM

The EU isn’t going to last another 18 months. Germany has tired of paying the tab and will reissue the deutsche mark. And I will be buying as many as I can.

M240H on January 23, 2013 at 2:42 AM

When I was doing ASW with the US Navy, we were told in no uncertain terms not to trust the French for anything. French military and politicians had been a large conduit for NATO (and other countries) secrets to the Soviets and it was well known that anything classified the French got their hands on would quickly find it’s way to our enemies.

France cannot be trusted to this day. It has proven itself time and again to be untrustworthy, and for that one reason, if no others, Britain should withdraw from the EU.

TKindred on January 23, 2013 at 6:19 AM

We should be doing the same to the UN…

Mohonri on January 23, 2013 at 8:02 AM

The EU isn’t going to last another 18 months. Germany has tired of paying the tab and will reissue the deutsche mark. And I will be buying as many as I can.

M240H on January 23, 2013 at 2:42 AM

Not only will it last, it will add members over time.

Germany loves the EU and the Euro, because other EU member states can’t devalue to compete, since they have the same currency.

If it costs some bailing-out, at least it’s cheaper than a world war.

And everything is settled in fiat Euros. Germany’s gold is safe, and that’s all they care about. Or is it? See recent news about it taking 7 years to be shipped to Germany from US…

ebrawer on January 23, 2013 at 8:31 AM

TKindred on January 23, 2013 at 6:19 AM

While acting as the headquarters of a Joint Task Force several years ago, the ship I was on had both Spanish and French officers embarked as part of the staff. In the command and control spaces, if the Spanish officers walked in everyone mostly continued working. If the French were going to attend a meeting the big curtains around the table were pulled closed; if they went into the work area for some reason, we turned off all the screens. We remembered the Serbian air campaign.

GWB on January 23, 2013 at 9:23 AM

ebrawer on January 23, 2013 at 8:31 AM

That’s probably why it’s lasted this long, but there are too many problems, and they’re finding out that “diversity” is just as bad as it is beneficial.

Flange on January 23, 2013 at 9:42 AM

It is ironic to hear the French wax lyrical on the importance of rules and following them and if the spat were limited to being between the UK and France it would not matter. Britain’s traditional allies in Europe are essentially saying the same thing, however, and they do have a valid point about some of the UK’s special terms which other leaders can’t justify to own constituencies.

lexhamfox on January 23, 2013 at 9:59 AM

Is this the same bunch of people who whinged about British Beef and ‘mad cow’s disease’ but had a similar outbreak, gagged the media and destroyed all the evidence?

Yeah, thought as much .

EnglishRogue on January 23, 2013 at 1:03 PM