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“Here’s something to keep the prohibitionists up.”

posted at 9:25 am on January 16, 2013 by

Geeks meet gun control:

Five months ago, the group of homemade gun enthusiasts known as Defense Distributed set out to create a lethal firearm that could be downloaded and 3D-printed entirely from scratch, circumventing all gun control laws. But as new gun bills have been proposed in the wake of recent shootings, creating a bootleg weapon with digital pieces may soon be far easier: As simple as printing a spring-loaded plastic box.

Over the past weekend, Defense Distributed successfully 3D-printed and tested an ammunition magazine for an AR semi-automatic rifle, loading and firing 86 rounds from the 30-round clip.

That homemade chunk of curved plastic holds special significance: Between 1994 and 2004, so-called “high capacity magazines” capable of holding more than 10 bullets were banned from sale. And a new gun control bill proposed by California Senator Diane Feinstein would ban those larger ammo clips again. President Obama has also voiced support for the magazine restrictions.

Prohibition is hard.

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Molon Labe

Irritable Pundit on January 16, 2013 at 9:34 AM

Never underestimate the inventiveness of the American Citizen.

Once you let that easily-available technology genie out of the bottle, he ain’t never gonna be put back.

TKindred on January 16, 2013 at 9:45 AM

They keep saying “clip”. Why? Please stop.

ronsfi on January 16, 2013 at 9:52 AM

3D printed AR lowers are a bad example of Pashtun gunsmithing. A better one is a sheet metal AR lower made solely with hand tools. A ban accomplishes nothing except advancing human creativity.

roy_batty on January 16, 2013 at 10:01 AM

I have an idea: how about we have 100 NRA members with printed plastic rifles and magazines face off against 100 buck privates with M-16s, using that laser system the army uses for training?

This should HOPEFULLY put a few things in perspective before we’re witness to a national slaughter.

MelonCollie on January 16, 2013 at 10:02 AM

“loading and firing 86 rounds from the 30-round clip”

It’s a magazine NOT a clip. Please get it right.

Hard Right on January 16, 2013 at 10:12 AM

Very nice. 3D printing (and consumer-scale CNC) will do for manufacturing what the internet did for publishing. Democratization FTW!

Mohonri on January 16, 2013 at 10:27 AM

That’s nothing. I’m using my 3D printer to make $Trillion coins.

gregbert on January 16, 2013 at 10:32 AM

I have an idea: how about we have 100 NRA members with printed plastic rifles and magazines face off against 100 buck privates with M-16s, using that laser system the army uses for training?

This should HOPEFULLY put a few things in perspective before we’re witness to a national slaughter.

MelonCollie on January 16, 2013 at 10:02 AM

You really think the 100 buck privates would be aiming their M-16′s at the NRA members at that point? I’m thinking that despite strict orders they’d be choosing different targets.

Zetterson on January 16, 2013 at 10:36 AM

It is a known fact that should a full-fledged gun ban go into effect:

a) underground gun manufacturing would occur for the benefit of criminals
b) smuggling of guns from outside U.S. borders would occur for the benefit of criminals
c) we will see an increase in ambush attacks by criminals on law enforcement officers for the sole purpose of stealing weapons

jediwebdude on January 16, 2013 at 10:52 AM

You really think the 100 buck privates would be aiming their M-16′s at the NRA members at that point? I’m thinking that despite strict orders they’d be choosing different targets.

Zetterson on January 16, 2013 at 10:36 AM

What’s the first thing they teach you in any military after they determine that you’re not hopelessly stupid or a psycho? How to follow orders immediately and otherwise do exactly what you’re told.

I’m not blaming them, I can’t, because that’s how any military worth spit HAS to work. But don’t blind yourself with patriotic fantasies.

MelonCollie on January 16, 2013 at 11:12 AM

Mellon, they also teach them to think. Stop deluding yourself with your elimination fantasies.

Hard Right on January 16, 2013 at 11:17 AM

MelonCollie 11:12

I got a wakeup call when a friend of mine who was a firearms instructor in the military, and served for quite a while, told me that he had ‘no doubt’ that many, if not most, US troops would shoot US citizens if so ordered.

That’s why we should have never allowed a federal standing army. Shoulda been a cross between the Swiss system and the National Guard system.

Oh well.

avgjo on January 16, 2013 at 11:21 AM

Mellon, they also teach them to think. Stop deluding yourself with your elimination fantasies.

Hard Right on January 16, 2013 at 11:17 AM

Here’s for your “elimination fantasies” you delusional wingnut:

I got a wakeup call when a friend of mine who was a firearms instructor in the military, and served for quite a while, told me that he had ‘no doubt’ that many, if not most, US troops would shoot US citizens if so ordered.

avgjo on January 16, 2013 at 11:21 AM

So much for ‘fantasies’, Hard Wrong. Do keep in mind that I’m trying to keep you and others from charging headlong into something that will end in you blown to pieces while accomplishing nothing.

MelonCollie on January 16, 2013 at 11:24 AM

They keep saying “clip”. Why? Please stop.

ronsfi on January 16, 2013 at 9:52 AM

Thank You!
Only those who don’t know squat about firearms refer to them as “clips”.
~(Ä)~

Karl Magnus on January 16, 2013 at 11:31 AM

That’s nothing. I’m using my 3D printer to make $Trillion coins.

gregbert on January 16, 2013 at 10:32 AM

Looks like I need to get cracking on that 3D software and design a 30rd mag that doesn’t look like a 30rd mag so I can still buy them from shapeways after the ban kicks in.

Browncoatone on January 16, 2013 at 11:32 AM

Oh, and I forgot:

That’s nothing. I’m using my 3D printer to make $Trillion coins.

gregbert on January 16, 2013 at 10:32 AM

Ladies and Gentlemen, we have a thread winner!

Browncoatone on January 16, 2013 at 11:33 AM

They keep saying “clip”. Why? Please stop.

ronsfi on January 16, 2013 at 9:52 AM

I could swear I recall many TV shows and movies people referring to magazines as clips. If so, that may be why it’s such a common mistake.

The Rogue Tomato on January 16, 2013 at 11:33 AM

1) I have met a number of military and ex-military who would not only REFUSE to fire on their fellow rebellious Americans, they would join them.

2) Who says “people like me” are going to become violent?

Hard Right on January 16, 2013 at 11:51 AM

So we are to ban a sheet metal box with a spring in it… something an adept 10th grader can make in shop class…

Doesn’t even approach the complexity of a moonshine still, but hey… this will work…

PointnClick on January 16, 2013 at 12:25 PM

1) I have met a number of military and ex-military who would not only REFUSE to fire on their fellow rebellious Americans, they would join them.

I recently had a discussion with a former U.S. Navy officer as we discussed/debated on whether or not Obama would use the military to enforce gun control mandates should a gun collection effort to place. I theorized that top generals would conduct a military coup before they would go after citizens’ guns. He disagreed saying the Generals would obey laws before they would follow an ideology.

jediwebdude on January 16, 2013 at 12:43 PM

jediwebdude on January 16, 2013 at 12:43 PM

I think as long as it happens in stages most military will go along with it.

If the order is to storm in to a city and subjugate the citizens – well, that’s a bit much and you won’t have a lot of people agreeing to do it.

If, however, you start with a gun ban and most people obey and you have a hold out city or state that doesn’t and they get lots of warnings and they still disobey and it keeps escalating slowly but surely with each step being a tiny escalation until the order is given to storm the city and seize the weapons – well, it won’t be seen as ‘firing on fellow citizens’ any more than it was during the civil war when Union soldiers fired on Confederate soldiers. It will be seen as going after people that are flaunting the law and asking for trouble.

You may end up with a few deserters that won’t do it, but, unless the vast majority of the people remain steady and hold out against a ban, it will be seen as putting down a local insurrection more than attacking your fellow Americans.

JadeNYU on January 16, 2013 at 12:52 PM

Many police would fire on civilians. They’re the enforcers of our federal system, the judiciary, in particular. The volunteer military though?

I’d like to think not, but disobeying an unlawful and illegal order is something that has to come from high up before people further down the chain of command feel comfortable with disobeying it as well.

mintycrys on January 16, 2013 at 12:57 PM

JadeNYU on January 16, 2013 at 12:52 PM

We saw how the propaganda machine worked in Obama’s favor during the Porkulus package rollout. CNN and MSNBC effectively smeared the Tea Party participants as dangerous radicals and racists. They would perform the same role for identifying local insurrectionists and thus justify the tactics, even violent ones, used by ATF/FBI/National Guard/etc…

jediwebdude on January 16, 2013 at 1:01 PM

BUMPER STICKER: “When guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns.”

ExpressoBold on January 16, 2013 at 1:10 PM

I thought a “high capacity clip” was something women used in the 80′s…the era of “BIG HAIR”.

dirtengineer on January 16, 2013 at 1:10 PM

A ban accomplishes nothing except advancing human creativity.

roy_batty on January 16, 2013 at 10:01 AM

Which is why they are trying to ban *possession* as well, this time.

GWB on January 16, 2013 at 1:23 PM

Generals would obey laws before they would follow an ideology.

jediwebdude on January 16, 2013 at 12:43 PM

Since the Constitution is the Law of the Land, and gun collection would be a violation of that law, your friend contradicted himself.

dominigan on January 16, 2013 at 1:25 PM

So we are to ban a sheet metal box with a spring in it… something an adept 10th grader can make in shop class…

Doesn’t even approach the complexity of a moonshine still, but hey… this will work…

PointnClick on January 16, 2013 at 12:25 PM

Nothing new: I used to see these things all the time 55+ years ago when I was that age: we used to call them “zip guns”…and they came in all-wood models, too!!

Dangerous to use??? YOU BET!!! But just as deadly (to someone) as the real thing.

landlines on January 16, 2013 at 2:28 PM

What’s the first thing they teach you in any military after they determine that you’re not hopelessly stupid or a psycho? How to follow orders immediately and otherwise do exactly what you’re told.

MelonCollie on January 16, 2013 at 11:12 AM

You’re right they will all be good Germans and then afterward will use sorry excuses like “I was just following orders”. Yeah stuff like that can never ever happen here right? Seems kind of like Obastard and his scum are trying to recreate the a lot of the early 30s why not the rest. Hell, Newtown even gave him his own Reichstag fire to use.

I’ll tell you this and you can believe it or not. I already gave 6 years to this country in the AF back in the late 80s early 90s, this is not what I signed up to protect. I signed up to defend the Constitution not piss on it like Obastard and his pukes do.

I’m not advocating anything except you should never think that stuff that happened in the past or overseas can’t happen here. With the dullards that they call voters and citizens in this country so stupid they re-elect the same people that are screwing them six ways from Sunday what makes you think they are intelligent enough to realize history is being repeated?

bbinfl on January 16, 2013 at 3:40 PM

There are a number of historical instances where the US military has murdered US civilians. They did it under Patton in DC, they murdered unarmed students at Kent State.

The police have been militarized and would willingly slaughter civilians if given the order. Federal police did just that too the Branch Davidians in Waco where they murdered 84 people including 22 children, some as young as 1 and 2 years old. That was after an intense 50 days of torture.

If any of you don’t fear the police powers of our government you are living in a fantasy world.

woodNfish on January 16, 2013 at 4:46 PM