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Re: When is marijuana OK

posted at 1:42 pm on January 14, 2013 by

AP, that’s a question that seems to be going around lately.  The Washington Post reported last week that it’s the etiquette stumper of the Beltway:

It was an awkward moment, quickly brushed aside by our collective desire to keep an agreeable evening relatively agreeable. But it led us to wonder — just what is the current etiquette on marijuana usage?

It turns out we’re not the only ones asking. At a time when smoking marijuana is increasingly mainstream, legal and socially acceptable — a recent Quinnipiac poll showed that 51 percent of respondents believe it should be decriminalized — when and where to inhale is a question flummoxing regular smokers, part-time partakers and nonsmokers alike.

After all, cannabis is now legal for recreational use in Colorado and Washington state and technically legal — although not yet legally available — for medicinal use right here in the District.

A new challenge is figuring out how we’re all supposed to navigate dinners, cocktail parties, barbecues and cross-generational family get-togethers as more people liken puffing on a joint to sipping a glass of wine, while others still consider it a malodorous habit that’s best done not at all, or at least far from our house.

Gee, remember when people used to get offended by people smoking tobacco? Even nearly 40 years ago, it became such an offensive practice that Steve Martin’s breakout standup-comedy routine included this:

Tobacco just doesn’t have the same libertarian cachet as marijuana, apparently.  I wonder how long that will last after Brown & Williamson start selling it in packs.

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Do you support it for it’s effects on appetite or the pressure relief effect on the eye?

Mimzey on January 14, 2013 at 8:26 PM

Most likely its the built-in excuse to not exhibit self-control, like alcohol.

“Its not my fault, I was drunk”

BobMbx on January 14, 2013 at 8:29 PM

I’m asking for actual evidence. Something anyone should do imo.

That said, it seems that the point has shifted.
Do you support it for it’s effects on appetite or the pressure relief effect on the eye?

Mimzey on January 14, 2013 at 8:26 PM

Google “effects of marijuana on appetite”

About 2,150,000 results (0.22 seconds)

Here’s a primer for morons:

http://adai.washington.edu/marijuana/factsheets/appetite.htm

Now STFU and do your own research.

idiot.

Tim_CA on January 14, 2013 at 8:32 PM

um…no actually…you made references to your past heavy drug abuse…and I agreed with you.

Tim_CA on January 14, 2013 at 8:01 PM

I just mentioned that after your implying that I was lying.

All these words.
ALL I claimed in this thread is this.

1.There is no evidence to substantiate any unique qualities in pot as far as appetite stimulation is concerned, as many substances, and simple human nature in social groups can have the same effect. (this is the falsification of scientific method..something else can produce the same results).

2. Unlike alcohol, the intoxicating properties of pot are dispersed into thew air to be ingested by everyone in the room, whether wanted or not.

Thats it.
Which of these do you claim is not accurate?

Mimzey on January 14, 2013 at 8:37 PM

Mimzey on January 14, 2013 at 8:37 PM

go away troll…the only person you ever fooled was MelonCollie…You’re not interested in reason or science…you’re just trolling for a fight.

You’ve been shut down on this thread…and proven to be a drug-abusing fool.

Away with you.

Tim_CA on January 14, 2013 at 8:40 PM

and again:

Google “effects of marijuana on appetite”

About 2,150,000 results (0.22 seconds)

Here’s a primer for morons:

http://adai.washington.edu/marijuana/factsheets/appetite.htm

Now STFU and do your own research.

idiot.

Tim_CA on January 14, 2013 at 8:32 PM

Tim_CA on January 14, 2013 at 8:41 PM

I think everything should be questioned, or at the very least, not be blindly and completely believed. Don’t you agree?
Some people swear that voodoo works…and if you believe it, it does.
Really not that big a deal without some point to make. People rationalize many things in order to justify behaviors or convince others.

Mimzey on January 14, 2013 at 6:46 PM

Skepticism, as we are witnessing with you, quickly devolves into rank denialism. Some things, like the nature of water to be wet, of sunshine to be warm, and of cannabis to give the munchies, really aren’t worth the intellectual worth to question the existence of.

But, for the skeptic in you…

Go to town!

JohnGalt23 on January 14, 2013 at 8:42 PM

I’m not ignoring or downplaying anything.

I’m asking for actual evidence.

Mimzey on January 14, 2013 at 8:26 PM

Say say you. Guess what? I don’t believe you – you clearly are in denial about what you have been doing in this conversation.

There is plenty of evidence, not just anecdotal, that marijuana/THC enhances appetite. Do you know what Marinol is, and why it’s prescribed – do you believe the FDA approved it only because it has a placebo effect?

Anti-Control on January 14, 2013 at 8:52 PM

http://adai.washington.edu/marijuana/factsheets/appetite.htm

Now STFU and do your own research.

idiot.

Tim_CA on January 14, 2013 at 8:32 PM

Seriously?
Thats lame imo.
What part of that had the flavor of a scientific paper to you? It read really bogus imo.

Say it’s true. The paper implied that the effects are similar to opiates. So that should be o.k. too?
So what? Is that why you use it..for appetite?

The problem..that I’ve been trying to point out is th implication that this effect, if true, is somehow unique and some kind of breakthrough in medicine. There are other appetite stimulants.
What makes smoking pot better? Is it because of the healthful effects of inhaling hot and toxic gasses and carcinogens? Yes carcinogens…or would you selectively discount THAT science?

You pot guys are in many ways, like Ron Pauls bots or gay marriage advocates or pro abortion types.
I get it.
You like pot…weeell more than that. You intolerant of any opposing views on the subject. Much like members of those other groups.

Kick back..mellow out. Have a toke. We’re all brother man! Don’t B H8in’.

Mimzey on January 14, 2013 at 8:52 PM

I’m sure it’ll be allowed to smoke pot in restaurants, bars, airplanes, since it’s “medicinal” and liberal-approved,and the smoke can intoxicate other within sniffing range. Note these are all the places we knuckle-draggers aren’t allowed to smoke tobacco because of “second-hand smoke” is “nasty”. So, being stoned is something liberals want more of – go figure, since the “thought processes” of progressive and stoned are identical.

Who is John Galt on January 14, 2013 at 8:52 PM

Say So say you

-fixed

Anti-Control on January 14, 2013 at 8:54 PM

Mimzey on January 14, 2013 at 8:52 PM

um no skippy…like I said that’s a primer for morons…you want something heavier…try one of the other 2,149,999 links…I’d suggest you start with the AMA.

Come on back when you’re done….

and not before.

Idiot – the world has google..your sh!t no longer has game.

Tim_CA on January 14, 2013 at 8:56 PM

go figure, since the “thought processes” of progressive and stoned are identical.

Who is John Galt on January 14, 2013 at 8:52 PM

lol…it’s always helped me to relate to ‘em.

Tim_CA on January 14, 2013 at 8:59 PM

Skepticism, as we are witnessing with you, quickly devolves into rank denialism. Some things, like the nature of water to be wet, of sunshine to be warm, and of cannabis to give the munchies, really aren’t worth the intellectual worth to question the existence of.

But, for the skeptic in you…

Go to town!

JohnGalt23 on January 14, 2013 at 8:42 PM

Then you have not been paying attention.
My claim..from the start is that I doubt the uniqueness of the appetite stimulation of pot, and that no proof of this actually exists.
There is proof, however, of the placebo effect to many things.

Do you disagree with this?

The one study presented had no quality of science being present.
The organization involved is in Australia and on the front page has this written:

Marijuana and Appetite

[Open PDF] [Print page] This information was prepared by the National Cannabis Prevention and Information Centre in Australia, and used with permission. Some information may not be accurate for U.S. readers.

How can that be?

The two ‘Professors’ from the institute that produced this page have zero results in a google search outside of that organization.
Is there any peer reviewed papers that you know of or is the science “settled”?

Mimzey on January 14, 2013 at 9:10 PM

You potheads are sumthin.

Party of Garth!

This is too silly.

Mimzey on January 14, 2013 at 9:12 PM

How can that be?

The two ‘Professors’ from the institute that produced this page have zero results in a google search outside of that organization.
Is there any peer reviewed papers that you know of or is the science “settled”?

Mimzey on January 14, 2013 at 9:10 PM

and again:

Google “effects of marijuana on appetite”

About 2,150,000 results (0.22 seconds)

Here’s a primer for morons:

http://adai.washington.edu/marijuana/factsheets/appetite.htm

Now STFU and do your own research.

idiot.

Tim_CA on January 14, 2013 at 8:32 PM

And:

you want something heavier…try one of the other 2,149,999 links…I’d suggest you start with the AMA.

Come on back when you’re done….

and not before.

Idiot – the world has google..your sh!t no longer has game.

Tim_CA on January 14, 2013 at 8:56 PM

Tim_CA on January 14, 2013 at 9:14 PM

Anti-Control on January 14, 2013 at 8:58 PM

Hey Einstein…Marinol is not pot.

It’s like a religious crusade with you folks.
Kinda like the Global Warming bunch.

Mimzey on January 14, 2013 at 9:15 PM

You potheads are sumthin.

Party of Garth!

This is too silly.

Mimzey on January 14, 2013 at 9:12 PM

lol…says mr. “science”

You are Hilarious…sparking one now to really enjoy you.

Tim_CA on January 14, 2013 at 9:16 PM

Once ganja was included in the war on drugs, the war was lost. Period. How many people do you know that can manufacture cocaine or heroin? Yeah me neither. Yet anyone with opposable thumbs can grow marijuana. Having laws on the books that are not practically enforceable erodes the rule of law.

And it’s the gateway drug for the same reason hamburgers or alcohol would be if they were classified as “drugs”. The typical thought process of a teenager is probably “marijuana is a drug, marijuana is mostly harmless, ergo all drugs are mostly harmless.”

stout77 on January 14, 2013 at 9:17 PM

Hey Einstein…Marinol is not pot.

It’s like a religious crusade with you folks.
Kinda like the Global Warming bunch.

Mimzey on January 14, 2013 at 9:15 PM

lol…troll bait at its finest.

go away jagg-off

Tim_CA on January 14, 2013 at 9:20 PM

Tim_CA on January 14, 2013 at 9:14 PM

This is all deflection.
It seems that Marinol does stimulate appetite with side effects to heart rhythms and blood pressure.
So what? The topic is not Marinol nor is it appetite stimulation for AIDS and cancer patients. There are many natural and pharmaceutical appetite stimulants with various side effects…but thats not the topic, is it? It’s the rationalization to get high..which has no therapeutic effects. This is most likely the truth.
Marinol..unlike smoking pot for the high, is contained in the pill and the prescription, not free floating in the air. How much is it used compared to other substances?

Mimzey on January 14, 2013 at 9:36 PM

Hey Einstein…Marinol is not pot.

I guess you can’t read, which we can add to your rude inability to make logical arguments?

MARINOL® is a synthetic version of a naturally occurring compound known as delta-9-THC. Delta-9-THC stimulates appetite and reduces nausea and vomiting by binding to special receptors found in the nervous system.

Do you know what Delta-9-THC is, “Einstein”? Tetrahydrocannabinol, also known as delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol [Delta-9-THC], is the principal psychoactive constituent of the cannabis plant.

Would you now like to argue that synthetic THC is an appetite enhancer, but naturally occurring THC isn’t?

It’s like a religious crusade with you folks.
Kinda like the Global Warming bunch.

Mimzey on January 14, 2013 at 9:15 PM

Do you know what “projection” is “Einstein”? Do you still believe you argue less like an anti-theist than I do, too? ROFL@you!

You keep beclowning yourself, apparently irresistably – you’re dismissed.

Anti-Control on January 14, 2013 at 9:40 PM

lol…troll bait at its finest.

go away jagg-off

Tim_CA on January 14, 2013 at 9:20 PM

Why are druggies so angry?
If you dispute the point of the post you quoted, what is it that you dispute?
The topic is NOT Marinol, is it?
And I stand by my claim that potheads are very similar to other cultish fetishes like global warming advocates, or organic food worshipers. There are studies proving the validity of those subjects too.

But, what DO you use it for..appetite or glaucoma? That seems to be the backbone of you advocacy.

Mimzey on January 14, 2013 at 9:41 PM

Mimzey on January 14, 2013 at 9:36 PM

And once more:

Google “effects of marijuana on appetite”

About 2,150,000 results (0.22 seconds)

Here’s a primer for morons:

http://adai.washington.edu/marijuana/factsheets/appetite.htm

Now STFU and do your own research.

idiot.

Tim_CA on January 14, 2013 at 8:32 PM

And:

you want something heavier…try one of the other 2,149,999 links…I’d suggest you start with the AMA.

Come on back when you’re done….

and not before.

Idiot – the world has google..your sh!t no longer has game.

Tim_CA on January 14, 2013 at 8:56 PM

lol…have your research assistant help Mr. science.

Tim_CA on January 14, 2013 at 9:41 PM

Having smoked more pot than any other human being on the planet during an extended period of time…

Mimzey on January 14, 2013 at 5:51 PM

I don’t smoke..but I’ve heard that if you look at food presented in the right way, you’ll have an increased desire to have some.

Mimzey on January 14, 2013 at 6:22 PM

lol.

Troll.

Tim_CA on January 14, 2013 at 9:47 PM

lol…have your research assistant help Mr. science.

Tim_CA on January 14, 2013 at 9:41 PM

There are many off topic research papers on pot.
So what? Thats not the point. The paper you linked to is, not only off topic, but kind of lame.
Thats all I pointed out.

This drug thing really has you caught up.
Are there any other things, anything with more relevance to the human condition we find ourselves in, that you cling so bitterly to?
There isn’t enough money for me to ever go back to the mindset you potheads are still in. It’s pathetic imo.

Lighten up…it’s a buzz. That all.

Mimzey on January 14, 2013 at 9:51 PM

Why are druggies so angry?

Deflection.

If you dispute the point of the post you quoted, what is it that you dispute?

Explained and ignored

The topic is NOT Marinol, is it?

Never said it was.

And I stand by my claim that potheads are very similar to other cultish fetishes like global warming advocates, or organic food worshipers. There are studies proving the validity of those subjects too.

Troll bait.

But, what DO you use it for..appetite or glaucoma? That seems to be the backbone of you advocacy.

Pain and as a sleep aid mostly…but also for recreation.

Mimzey on January 14, 2013 at 9:41 PM

Why do you troll?

Seriously.

Tim_CA on January 14, 2013 at 9:51 PM

The demonization of hemp as a drug was mainly at the behest of competition within the fiber industry. At the time of this country’s founding it was a major cash crop.

cptacek on January 14, 2013 at 5:05 PM

So, where are these magical time pockets where you’re allowed to smoke in restaurants and stores? Those signs don’t say “no tobacco”. And church? If you find smoke in a house of idolatry, it’s probably incense, and probably more toxic than hemp.

S. D. on January 14, 2013 at 9:53 PM

One HeII of a link right there A-C. So that’s a yes to Marinol® eating job applying gun owner?

Bmore on January 14, 2013 at 9:56 PM

lol.

Troll.

Tim_CA on January 14, 2013 at 9:47 PM

You must be stoned. Thats what I’m talking about. Self delusion and finding evidence of something preconceived when there is no evidence.

Dude…if you can’t see the problem with what you’re trying to put together.

Here’s a clue.
The “I smoked more pot” comment was from 30+ years ago.

I don’t smoke now. Been about 15 years.

“Pot is a hell of a drug”

Mimzey on January 14, 2013 at 9:56 PM

One HeII of a link right there A-C. So that’s a yes to Marinol® eating job applying gun owner?

Bmore on January 14, 2013 at 9:56 PM

Did I post something factually untrue? If I didn’t, why don’t you come straight out and state what relevant, interesting point you are trying to make?

Anti-Control on January 14, 2013 at 10:03 PM

Mimzey on January 14, 2013 at 9:56 PM

lol

Seriously…why do you troll here? You’re friggin’ terrible at it.

You just may be the poster boy for how did you put it?…

Having smoked more pot than any other human being on the planet

lol…I quit!!

It’s just not worth it…there is obviously long-term brain-damage involved.

go away jagg off.

Tim_CA on January 14, 2013 at 10:05 PM

Did I post something factually untrue? If I didn’t, why don’t you come straight out and state what relevant, interesting point you are trying to make?

Anti-Control on January 14, 2013 at 10:03 PM

lol…he’s yanking ya…he got into the brownies around page 2…been in the corner ever since ;-)

Tim_CA on January 14, 2013 at 10:06 PM

Why do you troll?

Seriously.

Tim_CA on January 14, 2013 at 9:51 PM

I don’t.
I think you’re projecting, or it might be a delusion and coping/self defense mechanism that some people label others with when they encounter people who see things differently and ask some simple questions. The mindset is common among Global warming advocates and abortion “rights” or gay marriage militants. It’s just the way they are.

I don’t know why some people box themselves in with that type of thing, but I do know that they are probably not aware of it. Even without drugs.

Just look how this thread has degenerated from making simple points about human nature and placebo effects to ad hominims. It seems odd to me that a simple opinion could generate such narrow mindedness.

Mimzey on January 14, 2013 at 10:07 PM

The topic is NOT Marinol, is it?

Never said it was.

Tim_CA on January 14, 2013 at 9:51 PM

You didn’t, but it did become a legitimate part of the conversation due to Mimzey’s argumentative, goal-post-shifting denial.

She’s trolling on this issue Tim, as you know – that she isn’t doing so intentionally doesn’t change the truth that she’s wasting everyone’s time here, does it? :D

Anti-Control on January 14, 2013 at 10:08 PM

lol…he’s yanking ya…he got into the brownies around page 2…been in the corner ever since ;-)

Tim_CA on January 14, 2013 at 10:06 PM

I think you’re assuming he was responding to me.
He wasn’t.

It’s the drugs.

Mimzey on January 14, 2013 at 10:09 PM

Anti-Control on January 14, 2013 at 10:08 PM

lol…no doubt…I’m just enjoying the entertainment value…and the buzz.

This is the absolute worst troll here. With this many tells, he’d be fleeced in under 2 seconds at a poker table….lol.

Hilarious though.

Tim_CA on January 14, 2013 at 10:15 PM

Just look how this thread has degenerated

Mimzey on January 14, 2013 at 10:07 PM

lol…indeed…and thank you…you’ve been hilarious!

Tim_CA on January 14, 2013 at 10:17 PM

I think you’re assuming he was responding to me.
He wasn’t.

It’s the drugs.

Mimzey on January 14, 2013 at 10:09 PM

Read it again ya ignorant burn-out.

must be the trolling.

Tim_CA on January 14, 2013 at 10:18 PM

Anti-Control on January 14, 2013 at 10:03 PM

Cool dude, I’ll get right on that. *said very slowly the way Sean Penn might have said it*

Bmore on January 14, 2013 at 10:21 PM

Cool dude, I’ll get right on that. *said very slowly the way Sean Penn might have said it*

Bmore on January 14, 2013 at 10:21 PM

lol…alright….give me the pan back mr. troublemaker.

Tim_CA on January 14, 2013 at 10:24 PM

Then you have not been paying attention.
My claim..from the start is that I doubt the uniqueness of the appetite stimulation of pot, and that no proof of this actually exists.

Mimzey on January 14, 2013 at 9:10 PM

Then you don’t know how to read. Not surprising, as know-nothing authoritarians often are illiterate.

Once again…

Scholarly articles on cannabis and appetite stimulation

Just a sample from Oxford Univ Press:

Central effects of cannabinoids include disruption of psychomotor behaviour, short‐term memory impairment, intoxication, stimulation of appetite, antinociceptive actions (particularly against pain of neuropathic origin) and anti‐emetic effects.

Now, STFD, STFU, stop wasting everybody’s time, and listen to people who have demonstrated far more knowledge, both scientific and anecdotal than your pitiful excuse for a troll self.

/drops mic

JohnGalt23 on January 14, 2013 at 10:24 PM

/drops mic

JohnGalt23 on January 14, 2013 at 10:24 PM

Peace Out!!

Tim_CA on January 14, 2013 at 10:26 PM

lol…he’s yanking ya…he got into the brownies around page 2…been in the corner ever since ;-)

Tim_CA on January 14, 2013 at 10:06 PM

I didn’t presume that Bmore was insinuating anything – I was just checkin’! And, now I see I have an answer! :)

Cool dude, I’ll get right on that. *said very slowly the way Sean Penn might have said it*

Bmore on January 14, 2013 at 10:21 PM

LOL

Just look how this thread has degenerated

Mimzey on January 14, 2013 at 10:07 PM

You don’t believe your denial and obnoxiousness has had anything to with that, do you, “Einstein”?

Anti-Control on January 14, 2013 at 10:28 PM

Just look how this thread has degenerated

Mimzey on January 14, 2013 at 10:07 PM

In all fairness to the other commenters here Mimzey, I have that affect on many threads. People just don’t seem to get me. Must be a typing thing.

Bmore on January 15, 2013 at 12:05 AM

My MD would disagree.

Where did you get your Medical Degree…not sure you mentioned it?

Tim_CA on January 14, 2013 at 4:09 PM

I was all set to launch on CB1 and CB2 receptors and the artifical hoops the government creates to avoid admiting there is a medical benefit to marijuana but it appears you not only handled it but did so beautifully. Well done!

alchemist19 on January 15, 2013 at 12:19 AM

So, where are these magical time pockets where you’re allowed to smoke in restaurants and stores? Those signs don’t say “no tobacco”. And church? If you find smoke in a house of idolatry, it’s probably incense, and probably more toxic than hemp.

S. D. on January 14, 2013 at 9:53 PM

Look, I get that you guys think I am against people smoking if they want to. I am not. So long as employers still can drug test and marijuana counts as a drug you can get fired for if the employer wants that to be a condition of employment, and drivers can be tested (either something similar to BAC or just a simple roadside test), have at it.

The article said this:

A new challenge is figuring out how we’re all supposed to navigate dinners, cocktail parties, barbecues and cross-generational family get-togethers as more people liken puffing on a joint to sipping a glass of wine, while others still consider it a malodorous habit that’s best done not at all, or at least far from our house.

I extrapolated that list of things people are now trying to navigate, per the article, (dinners, cocktail parties, barbecues and family get togethers) to things I would do. Restaurants, stores, church, including church bazaars, suppers, weddings, wedding dances, etc., supper at my parents or in laws. I thought forward to “what if more states decriminalize marijuana and it becomes as prevalent as alcohol? What would the social order dictate?” And that is where I stated that either the smoker would leave/quit or I would leave. I stipulated that at first, I would win out, because society would side with me, but as we get further towards acceptance, I would lose out because the smoker would not be asked to quit/leave, so I would have to leave.

Because I am a mother, my first instinct is that I will protect my child, and also, since I have a very small child, my child is with me all the time when I am not working. I thought of social situations I might find myself in and what my reaction would be.

I really don’t know why what I am saying is so controversial.

cptacek on January 15, 2013 at 12:36 AM

at a party groovin’ on the Greatful Dead and Phish ‘music’ with a table full of “hippie food”.Then weigh the results and let the science rule! 
Mimzey on January 14, 2013 at 5:51 PM

Wooah. Creative or idiosyncratic crap?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1BfUxe4vFU

AH_C on January 15, 2013 at 12:49 AM

When did Hot Air get taken over by a bunch of potheads. Most of you are clearly breaking the law and just don’t care because you want to get high. You’re exactly what Shump meant when he talked about juvenile and pathetic.

Losers.

I do exempt people with a legitimate medical disability and a prescription… unless they want to act like jerks.

njrob on January 15, 2013 at 1:36 AM

I really don’t know why what I am saying is so controversial.

cptacek on January 15, 2013 at 12:36 AM

Nothing you are saying is controversial. You’re perfectly reasonable in knowing the dangers of a contact high and wanting to keep yourself and family away from such situations. BTW, anyone that read your earlier posts would know you were a mother if they took the time to actually read and analyze what you were writing.

These people are just crusaders for their particular cause and won’t listen to anyone trying to restrict what they believe is their right to engage in a particular behavior of their choosing that’s currently illegal. They’re no different than leftists with their own pet causes.

njrob on January 15, 2013 at 1:44 AM

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