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Laura Ingraham: A source tells me Paul Ryan might be in line to replace Boehner as Speaker

posted at 3:01 pm on December 22, 2012 by

Via the Daily Caller. The possibility that Boehner will be dumped on January 3, especially if he makes a deal with Obama before then, is real. (There’s already a plan circulating to make it happen, per Breitbart.com.) The possibility of Ryan replacing him is not, for two reasons. One: Ryan’s a Boehner loyalist. He even backed him on Plan B. Maybe he’d agree to step in if the GOP caucus ended up hopelessly divided between Boehner and Not Boehner and he was the only candidate able to unite the two sides, but that would have to be some deadlock for him to feel moved to step in. Two: The Speakership will be an even more thankless job next year than it is now. See Nate Silver’s back-of-the-envelope math about ideological divisions among the incoming class. There are three major groups — establishment Republicans, tea partiers, and hardcore liberals — plus a tiny little sliver of centrist Democrats. Which means that if even a small group of tea partiers walks away from any given bill, the Speaker will have basically no Blue Dog votes with which to replace them. Compromise bills will thus have to be a bit more liberal than they are now in hopes of getting to 218 with some combination of House progressives and centrist Republicans. What sort of aspiring Republican presidential nominee wants to preside over a clusterfark like that? Speaker Ryan would be forever torn between tea-party-driven standoffs with Obama over the budget, which are always risky given the public’s penchant for blaming Republicans, and demoralizing caves to the left by making deals with Pelosi to push stuff through. One way or another, he’d be brutally weakened in 2016 either in the primaries or the general. No thanks.

Update: Related thoughts from Philip Klein.

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Laura Ingraham’s source was deead wrong, so why believe any of her troublmaking.

About 30 backbenchers with no ability to win a majority of their own, or no real plan that will work against Reid and Obama are just trying to posture as True Believers.

swamp_yankee on December 22, 2012 at 3:10 PM

One way or another, he’d be brutally weakened in 2016 either in the primaries or the general. No thanks.

So it’s all about how it affects Ryan’s political future? What about saving the country for us little peons? How about actually being a conservative and standing up to Obama? Using the very real power you have in the House to fight obama and defund things like obamacare!

Instead Ryan’s a Boehner loyalist and supported him on plan B? I defended Ryan as VP and all his bad votes, but this pushes me over the ledge. Boehner is a coward and a disgrace. If Ryan is backing him then, NO THANKS TO RYAN AS A FUTURE POTUS NOMINEE!!

LevinFan on December 22, 2012 at 3:19 PM

Boehner isn’t going anywhere. Nobody wants that job. It’s a lot easier to piss, moan and obstruct then it is to govern. If I was Boehner I would call their bluff. Offer to resign. Let’s see if Huelskamp or Amash or any of those jackoffs come forward.

Mark1971 on December 22, 2012 at 3:22 PM

Wouldn’t it be nice to have someone with a spine, a real conservative such as Bachmann or even Louie Ghomart as Speaker?

Instead we can’t even dream of having someone that “extreme” in power,but the left can have maobama, pelosi, and reid!

This is exactly why the GOP is in the crapper and for that matter the entire country!

LevinFan on December 22, 2012 at 3:28 PM

If Boehner had any integrity, he’d resign.

JPeterman on December 22, 2012 at 3:28 PM

Boehner isn’t going anywhere. Nobody wants that job. It’s a lot easier to piss, moan and obstruct then it is to govern. If I was Boehner I would call their bluff. Offer to resign. Let’s see if Huelskamp or Amash or any of those jackoffs come forward.

Mark1971 on December 22, 2012 at 3:22 PM

You wouldn’t be defending Boner now would you?

He’s an absolute disgrace. What’s so tough about his job? All he’s ever done is cave. Don’t kid yourself, he loves the power and that’s all he cares about.

BOner could care less about looking out for the Tea Party who is responsible for him becoming speaker in 2010!

LevinFan on December 22, 2012 at 3:30 PM

Isn’t Paul Ryan the guy who lost to Joe Biden?

Mr. Arrogant on December 22, 2012 at 3:35 PM

Wouldn’t it be nice to have someone with a spine, a real conservative such as Bachmann or even Louie Ghomart as Speaker?

I would support either.

Mr. Arrogant on December 22, 2012 at 3:36 PM

If Boehner cant get 218, no one can. Certainly the whiney, troublemaking backbenchers. This is just a futile, self-destructive excercise.

swamp_yankee on December 22, 2012 at 3:38 PM

If Boehner cant get 218, no one can. Certainly the whiney, troublemaking backbenchers. This is just a futile, self-destructive excercise.

swamp_yankee on December 22, 2012 at 3:38 PM

Is that the main goal, just to get the votes?

What about standing on principle, like when Boner got elected and promised not to raise taxes on ANYONE?

If that leads to not getting 218 and having gridlock, then good!

LevinFan on December 22, 2012 at 3:40 PM

Yeah.. I mentioned that in the headlines. Ryan has absolutely no incentive on this one. He is already a household name because of 2012. He is probably going to inherit Romney’s money guys. (It would be tacky if Romney didn’t throw his full support behind Ryan in 2016 considering how loyal Ryan has been to him). Being Speaker does nothing to help him become President and could hurt his image as a congenial Midwestern neighbor.

It would probably be a net positive for the Republicans because Ryan is a more effective politician than Boehner. And the icy relationship between Obama and Ryan would make for great political theatre. But conservatives should be looking in the long run here. A Ryan Presidency would be much better than a Christie Presidency.

Illinidiva on December 22, 2012 at 3:43 PM

LevinFan I know.. It is shocking that a politician would be worried about his political career.. eyes roll. As a conservative.. doesn’t Ryan as the Republican nominee sound better than the loudmouth fatty from New Jersey or Dubya’s brother.

Illinidiva on December 22, 2012 at 3:49 PM

Great. The guy who rode Mitt Romney’s coattails to failure is being considered for a leadship position in an utterly impotent political body. Good luck with that, Paul.

gryphon202 on December 22, 2012 at 3:49 PM

LevinFan I know.. It is shocking that a politician would be worried about his political career.. eyes roll. As a conservative.. doesn’t Ryan as the Republican nominee sound better than the loudmouth fatty from New Jersey or Dubya’s brother.

Illinidiva on December 22, 2012 at 3:49 PM

So that’s the only thing that matters, is their own poltical careers?

Are there no good conservatives who will actually do the right thing instead of looking out for their own selfish self interests?

Anyone is better than Krispy Kreme Kristy, so the bar is pretty low there.

Ryan supporting Boehner’s plan B is disgraceful. Since you obvioulsy havne’t noticed we need someone who’s actually willing to make some serious cuts instead of only minor changes to the status quo.

Stop making excuses for RINO Ryan, it’s disgusting.

LevinFan on December 22, 2012 at 3:54 PM

The fact that nobody blames Ryan for this and we’re getting the same Ryan should be in charge rumors that popped up in 2008 and 2012 should tell you that the 2012 defeat did nothing to diminish Ryan’s influence.

Illinidiva on December 22, 2012 at 3:55 PM

I know.. shocking that Ryan is looking out for his career considering that he has been aiming for the Presidency since his 20s. I’m not sure why conservatives would be opposed to this since Ryan is preferable to most of the other possible nominees. And yes Ryan supported Plan B because he lives in the real world, not the alternative universe where Romney is President-Elect. In this universe Ryan would have resigned his House seat already as VP-Elect.

Illinidiva on December 22, 2012 at 4:43 PM

Stop making excuses for RINO Ryan, it’s disgusting.

LevinFan on December 22, 2012 at 3:54 PM

Ryan is a RINO? That’s quite a low bar for RINO, as compared to Snowe or Hagel.

thebrokenrattle on December 22, 2012 at 4:47 PM

Ryan is a RINO? That’s quite a low bar for RINO, as compared to Snowe or Hagel.

thebrokenrattle on December 22, 2012 at 4:47 PM

Yes he is. Talks a big game but his voting record is pretty bad.

Look it up.

Medicare Part D

Voted to raise the debt ceiling.

Supporting Boner’s plan B and is a Boner loyalist.

LevinFan on December 22, 2012 at 4:51 PM

Paul Ryan? He can talk a good game but his voting record doesn’t match his rhetoric.

RedRobin145 on December 22, 2012 at 4:55 PM

Medicare Part D

Voted to raise the debt ceiling.

Supporting Boner’s plan B and is a Boner loyalist.

LevinFan on December 22, 2012 at 4:51 PM

That’s it? The man gets a lifetime rating of 91.69 for his 13 years by the ACU and he’s still a RINO? What do you need to score to avoid that label?

thebrokenrattle on December 22, 2012 at 4:57 PM

And yes Ryan supported Plan B because he lives in the real world

Illinidiva on December 22, 2012 at 4:43 PM

Is that the same reason he voted for the raising of the debt ceiling? And the auto bailout?

topdawg on December 22, 2012 at 4:59 PM

Yes… Grown ups tend to live in the real world.

Illinidiva on December 22, 2012 at 5:03 PM

I know.. shocking that Ryan is looking out for his career considering that he has been aiming for the Presidency since his 20s. I’m not sure why conservatives would be opposed to this since Ryan is preferable to most of the other possible nominees. And yes Ryan supported Plan B because he lives in the real world, not the alternative universe where Romney is President-Elect. In this universe Ryan would have resigned his House seat already as VP-Elect.

Illinidiva on December 22, 2012 at 4:43 PM

Looks like you and Ryan both need a refresher on the Constitution.

All spending bills originate in the House. They do not have to compromise and go back on their word by raising taxes on those making more than a million.

You think if the situation was reversed that Pelosi would be bending over for a GOP president?

At least the Left has a backbone and sticks to their principles unlike so called conservatives like yourself.

LevinFan on December 22, 2012 at 5:07 PM

That’s it? The man gets a lifetime rating of 91.69 for his 13 years by the ACU and he’s still a RINO? What do you need to score to avoid that label?

thebrokenrattle on December 22, 2012 at 4:57 PM

Those by themselves are pretty bad.

Medicare Part D: Huge unfunded entitlement. Is that what a real conservative supports?

Raising the debt ceiling: This is even worse. Ryan can’t use the excuse that he was supporting a GOP PResident. Most of us conservatives realize how dire the fiscal situation is yet Ryan votes to raise the debt ceiling??? WTF??

Also voted for TARP and the auto bailout.

And this is to mention just a few things. He has plenty of other bad votes, look it up.

LevinFan on December 22, 2012 at 5:17 PM

And you need a refresher on the Constitution and politics. Bills need to be passed by the Senate and signed by the President. The full tax cut isn’t going to happen. Barry will get his pound of flesh so that his leeches err voters can feel better about the fact that they’re losers. The Rs are going to be able to block any Barry excesses but entitlement reform and spending cuts won’t come. The only way that entitlement reform passes.. President Paul Ryan or extremely influential VP Paul Ryan. You think Butterball is going to pass serious Medicare reform..

Illinidiva on December 22, 2012 at 5:23 PM

Apparently there is a ditch waiting for him somewhere.

Go find a ditch to die in.

lostmotherland on December 21, 2012 at 6:49 PM

Must be true, I still see it posted here at HA.

Bmore on December 22, 2012 at 5:30 PM

Compromise bills will thus have to be a bit more liberal than they are now in hopes of getting to 218 with some combination of House progressives and centrist Republicans.

Exactly the point I have been trying to make. The more the “conservative” Republicans dig in their heels, the more it pushes things to the LEFT. They get the opposite result of what they are trying to accomplish. Rather than engaging and trying to steer things more to the right, they are demanding full right rudder or nothing, and they end up getting nothing while the ship moves more to the left.

It is this pig-headed behavior that is actually making things worse. So lets say the knucleheads get their way. Say the entire House votes eleventy zillion to zero for some far right spending bill. It dies in the Senate. The people start DEMANDING that the House produce something that can be passed to at least reduce the pain. They refuse. 2014 comes along, the Republicans are thrown out of the House, the Democrats now hold all three seats of power and things move even FARTHER to the left.

I am starting to think that is their plan all along. I am seriously starting to believe that many of these people acting like “hard core” conservatives are actually Democrats. They are doing this on purpose to ensure the Republicans can’t get anything done and the House is given to the Democrats. They are sabotaging the Republican party and helping the Democrats.

crosspatch on December 22, 2012 at 5:44 PM

LevinFan on December 22, 2012 at 5:17 PM

Who’s your candidate to replace Boehner if Ryan is so terrible?

thebrokenrattle on December 22, 2012 at 5:47 PM

Speaker Ryan would be forever torn between tea-party-driven standoffs with Obama over the budget, which are always risky given the public’s penchant for blaming Republicans, and demoralizing caves to the left by making deals with Pelosi to push stuff through.

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Does the public automatically blame republicans or does the liberal media do this? Republicans should stop worrying what the liberal media is going to write. Someone needs to tell the american people the truth.

philrat on December 22, 2012 at 5:53 PM

crosspatch on December 22, 2012 at 5:44 PM

As far as I’m concerned the time for your ways have passed. Time to rid the party of the squishes. Heels firmly in the ground. Better that I guess than up the ass. I’ll still be thinking of you and yours come Inauguration Day though. ; )

Bmore on December 22, 2012 at 6:24 PM

Middle ground just ain’t that cool. The rhinos love to grow gov.

Bmore on December 22, 2012 at 6:26 PM

And you need a refresher on the Constitution and politics. Bills need to be passed by the Senate and signed by the President. The full tax cut isn’t going to happen. Barry will get his pound of flesh so that his leeches err voters can feel better about the fact that they’re losers. The Rs are going to be able to block any Barry excesses but entitlement reform and spending cuts won’t come. The only way that entitlement reform passes.. President Paul Ryan or extremely influential VP Paul Ryan. You think Butterball is going to pass serious Medicare reform..

Illinidiva on December 22, 2012 at 5:23 PM

You got it bass ackwards as usual.

You don’t pass watered down garbage just for the sake of passing something and being “bipartisan”.

Boner’s plans are exactly that: pure garbage. Raising taxes now with the promise of making some cuts in the future? How could anyone be that stupid to think that’s going to work?

You sound like the type that supported Mittens in the primary because we needed a moderate who wasn’t too polarizing. Good job.

LevinFan on December 22, 2012 at 6:49 PM

Who’s your candidate to replace Boehner if Ryan is so terrible?

thebrokenrattle on December 22, 2012 at 5:47 PM

Michele Bachmann – who Boner has been stabbing in the back for the last 6+ months.

LevinFan on December 22, 2012 at 6:51 PM

If Boehner had any integrity, he’d resign.

JPeterman on December 22, 2012 at 3:28 PM

Truth. He lost a vote of no confidence.

Michele Bachmann would be a disaster as speaker. We need someone to keep both tea party and establishment GOP together. What about that Tom Price fellow, could he do it? It won’t be easy.

alwaysfiredup on December 22, 2012 at 6:58 PM

Who’s your candidate to replace Boehner if Ryan is so terrible?

thebrokenrattle on December 22, 2012 at 5:47 PM

Rep. Jim Jordan

RedRobin145 on December 22, 2012 at 7:11 PM

Michele Bachmann would be a disaster as speaker. We need someone to keep both tea party and establishment GOP together. What about that Tom Price fellow, could he do it? It won’t be easy.

alwaysfiredup on December 22, 2012 at 6:58 PM

More like we need to defeat the Establishment. Seriously what are they good for?

LevinFan on December 22, 2012 at 7:32 PM

Here’s another good replacement for Boner:

LevinFan on December 22, 2012 at 7:38 PM

While I like Ryan better than Boehner, Ryan is still too…wimpy. We don’t need wimpy. We need someone with convictions, for which s/he is willing to go to the mat. Neither Boehner nor Ryan seem to have the right stuff.

TXJenny on December 22, 2012 at 7:41 PM

There are two ascendant governing philosophies for the next 2-4 years that represent almost all conservatives: Stand Your Ground and Let It Burn.

Boehner is a total failure at both. You can block Obama, or give him what he wants and make him own it. Boehner is on track to somehow do what should have been almost impossible: make the GOP responsible for Obama’s policies. But that’s OK because – uh oh! – otherwise there might be a recession!

Hey Boehner, there was an election a couple months ago. The economy lost. Get off the train tracks.

HitNRun on December 22, 2012 at 8:13 PM

Swamp Yankee is an establishment cocktail Beltway plant, folks. He’s sent to Hot Air directly from Boehner’s office to discredit everybody on the right and defend Boehner’s feckless, indefensible and cowardly record to the hilt.

Boehner and his mouthpieces like Swamp Yankee despise conservatism and embrace ruling-power control of those they view as the unwashed proletariat.

Right Mover on December 22, 2012 at 8:16 PM

I was for the passage of Plan B only because I don’t think it mattered one way or the other…It was not getting pass the Senate anyway so who cares. I don’t understand why Boehner and his supporters are getting so bent out of shape over those who opposed it. It might have gained a little good temporary PR, but nothing worth throwing people off committees and starting a civil war over. I understand why they opposed also, some of those who opposed also were not willing to sacrifice their political chips in something so meaningless (in the grand scheme) as Plan B. If it was for something that was more meaningful some of them might have.

The real problem is not the good and bad of Plan B, but Boehner’s constant need to negotiate with Obama with hopes trying to find some grand bargain. That has been shown time and again to be a complete waste of time. I could stomach Boehner trying to work with Reid, but not Obama who is just not a serious person.

Boehner has got to go, I am not saying Ryan is the answer either, but we now know what Boehner brings to the table and he is just not leadership material. We need to find someone at least who sees the futility of talking to Obama. Either talk to the senate (Reid) or just pass something that will make most Republicans happy and call it a day. But Obama, who now is running around Hawaii, is just not a serious politician, leader or person, and you need someone serious to negotiate with if you are trying to find a compromise that is worth people putting their political asses on the line over.

William Eaton on December 22, 2012 at 8:21 PM

Speaker is the most thankless job possible, and right now it’s a job where the deck is totally stacked against you. At this point anyone who wants to have a political future should stay as far away from the gavel as possible.

dczombie on December 22, 2012 at 10:53 PM

Stop using the hand creme in the men’s room at the House. Democrats have apparently replaced it with estrogen creme and everyone knows, except the republicans in Congress.

BruthaMan on December 22, 2012 at 10:54 PM

Ryan would be good..:)

Dire Straits on December 22, 2012 at 10:57 PM

William Eaton on December 22, 2012 at 8:21 PM

This!

txhsmom on December 22, 2012 at 10:58 PM

Ryan has much bigger ambitions than Speaker. However, I think that even among politicians with those ambitions (Cantor.. Price..), they don’t want Boehner’s job. Why not wait until 2014 or better 2016 when there may be an R President. I’m sure that Cantor wouldn’t mind a President Ryan and Speaker Cantor scenario.

Illinidiva on December 22, 2012 at 11:08 PM

I am starting to think that is their plan all along. I am seriously starting to believe that many of these people acting like “hard core” conservatives are actually Democrats. They are doing this on purpose to ensure the Republicans can’t get anything done and the House is given to the Democrats. They are sabotaging the Republican party and helping the Democrats.
crosspatch on December 22, 2012 at 5:44 PM

I agree. It’s getting old and they aren’t helping.

bluegill on December 22, 2012 at 11:13 PM

I think Ryan would make an excellent Speaker. I am not impressed with Boehner or Cantor.

terryannonline on December 23, 2012 at 12:17 AM

Each and every time I hear some deservedly anonymous online yip-yop intimating dourly that Republican control of the House in ’14 is (magically; somehow) contingent upon Ol’ Weepy retaining control of the sippy cup he’s currently using as a gavel: I simply can’t help but to start giggling, uncontrollably.

Kent18 on December 23, 2012 at 5:45 AM

Michele Bachmann would be a disaster as speaker.

alwaysfiredup on December 22, 2012 at 6:58 PM

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listens2glenn on December 23, 2012 at 8:17 AM

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