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Salon: Should bestiality be illegal?

posted at 12:41 pm on December 21, 2012 by

It’s important to note that Salon’s Tracy Clark-Flory doesn’t take a position on this difficult question.  Instead, she just offers the post-Lawrence case that it’s really none of our business:

The lawyers aren’t arguing that Romero necessarily has a right to sex with donkeys, or any other farm animals for that matter. They’re specifically targeting the language of Florida’s anti-bestiality law, which does not require proof that an animal has been harmed or “of the sexual activity being non-consensual,” or even of penetrative sexual contact.

The attorneys write, “Therefore, the only possible rational basis for the statute is a moral objection to sexual acts considered deviant or downright ‘disgusting.’” And that, they argue, is unconstitutional: “The personal morals of the majority, whether based on religion or traditions, cannot be used as a reason to deprive a person of their personal liberties.”

If, however, “the statute were to require sexual conduct with animals to be nonconsensual or to cause injury in order to be a crime, then perhaps the State would have a rational basis and legitimate state interest in enforcement,” they write.

It may be an opportunistic defense, sure, but it also brings up some interesting, if squirm-worthy, questions: Why should bestiality be illegal? Is it because it’s socially unacceptable or because it causes harm to animals? If it’s the latter, is it OK for people to have sexual contact with animals in cases where the animal isn’t harmed?

I look forward to the development of the “consenting critters” doctrine.

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Blue State America – where men are Leftist and the free-range goats are nervous.

JimLennon on December 21, 2012 at 12:56 PM

That made me laugh.

ButterflyDragon on December 21, 2012 at 3:55 PM

kaltes on December 21, 2012 at 12:57 PM

I pity your poor chicken

HotAirian on December 21, 2012 at 1:01 PM

That’s about the only good response to that.

Well done.

kim roy on December 21, 2012 at 3:57 PM

Don’t forget, Hollyweird director Nick Cassavetes asked earlier this year, what’s the big problem with incest?

http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2012/09/10/notebook-director-nick-cassavetes-says-incest-who-gives-damn/

Ward Cleaver on December 21, 2012 at 4:02 PM

ABSOLUTELY!!!

Beastiality with a Fer-de-lance should not only be legal, it should be encouraged!

WryTrvllr on December 21, 2012 at 4:10 PM

Salon: Should bestiality be illegal?

The verdict: No, if sleeping with animals were illegal, no one would ever sleep with Joan Walsh.

steebo77 on December 21, 2012 at 4:12 PM

In what perverted world is nonconsensual sex with an animal not harming the animal? I mean, really?

I’ll get flamed for this but as an agnostic this is why I love religion. When left to figure out morality on our own, we tend to fail miserably.

jhffmn on December 21, 2012 at 3:10 PM

Amen. Years ago, I had a screaming match with a lifelong friend about the 2005 Enumclaw case, in which a Boeing engineer bloodily lost his life after being sodomized by a horse. No animal cruelty charges were filed against the people who were responsible for setting up that situation (and others) for videotaping because there was, prosecutors said, no evidence that the horse was harmed.

I don’t understand why PETA – which gets its panties in a bunch when Ringling Bros. comes to town — hasn’t spoken up about this. Hippo-crites.

L.N. Smithee on December 21, 2012 at 4:23 PM

Viva Cleopatra!!!!

….oh, wait

WryTrvllr on December 21, 2012 at 4:25 PM

If it’s your animal it’s fine?
If it’s your animal you are free to torture it if that gives you pleasure?
If it’s your child, you are free to abuse it. Have sex with a baby.
It’s okay. You brought it into the world.
Just as long as you’re having fun and expressing your sexuality.
If these things are true now civil society needs a new definition courtesy of the left.
This is the point. Destroy morality, responsibility and restraint.
Destroy the notion of good and evil. Bread and circuses.

vityas on December 21, 2012 at 4:41 PM

And so the slide down the slippery slope begins!

redware on December 21, 2012 at 5:06 PM

And so the slide down the slippery slope begins! redware on December 21, 2012 at 5:06 PM

Yep, cougaring is now the “in” thing.

SC.Charlie on December 21, 2012 at 5:55 PM

Well, was it really beastiality-beastiality?

If not, then it’s OK.

Solaratov on December 21, 2012 at 6:11 PM

Remember when they said we were nuts for using the slippery slope argument concerning gay marriage?

Yeah, we’re nuts alright.. they’re already laying out the groundwork for making it legal.

ButterflyDragon on December 21, 2012 at 3:54 PM

And didn’t Gawker endorse pedophilia recently? And all the shows these days have a “consensual” incest story line, too.

Blake on December 21, 2012 at 6:17 PM

It had better be illegal or Obama will have to get a divorce.

The Rogue Tomato on December 21, 2012 at 6:52 PM

Prager predicted this.

ConservativeLA on December 21, 2012 at 6:53 PM

And didn’t Gawker endorse pedophilia recently? And all the shows these days have a “consensual” incest story line, too.

Blake on December 21, 2012 at 6:17 PM

Yeppers and an author at Queerty admitted that they wanted to “indoctrinate the children.”

melle1228 on December 21, 2012 at 6:59 PM

“of the sexual activity being non-consensual,”

Okay I know this is a dumb question but how would you know? Does the donkey have a cigarette afterwards so you know they enjoyed it?

But seriously, no animal is simply going to allow someone to do this, they would have to be tied or somehow restrained(the animal not the human.) So wouldn’t that be cruelty to the animal? I mean I doubt the donkey was asked and/or offered. And what is classified as harm or cruelty? But then again it’s done all the time, animal with animal, by breeders. So are these animals consenting?

Would there be a market for this if it is made legal? I mean, dating sites, match-ups, cruises?

Then there’s necrophilia…

Deanna on December 21, 2012 at 7:09 PM

I’m not all surprised (vide supra); the question is, what are we going to do about it.

avgjo on December 21, 2012 at 7:12 PM

And i might add that Michael Vick is apparently the anti Christ, but this freak and his miscreant lawyers will be hailed by the left as civil rights pioneers.

avgjo on December 21, 2012 at 7:14 PM

MOOOOoooooooOOOOoooo.

Mimzey on December 21, 2012 at 7:18 PM

None of those are victimless crimes either.

wildcat72 on December 21, 2012 at 1:55 PM

Yes, they are, because none of the so-called ‘victims’ involved are complaining. You are complaining on their behalf because you think you know what’s best for them.

Incest creates psychological damage

No moreso than any other consentual relationship, and putting them in jail is far more psychological damage. It isn’t your business what consenting adults do in private.

not to mention the prospect of the children of such a union bearing genetic scars their whole lives.

Im sure these kids will happily kill themselves once you tell them what abominations they are. /rolleyes

Bestiality harms animals.

How does a dog licking peanut butter from a woman’s crotch harm the dog?

Polygamy is an unstable union that also harms children.

It harms children? therefore… putting their father in prison is the smart way to cure that harm, right? /rolleyes

kaltes on December 21, 2012 at 8:08 PM

That’s about the only good response to that.

Well done.

kim roy on December 21, 2012 at 3:57 PM

Typical immaturity from the comments section here. Accuse anyone who disagrees with socialist government policies like filling the books with “morality” crimes if violating those laws himself. Typical.

kaltes on December 21, 2012 at 8:12 PM

Those wacky rightwingers, here they go again claiming that if people OK Gay marriage, then people would want to make things bestiality OK

Gwillie on December 21, 2012 at 8:15 PM

Those wacky rightwingers, here they go again claiming that if people OK Gay marriage, then people would want to make things like bestiality OK

Explain to me again the reason behind the “Preview” botton.

Gwillie on December 21, 2012 at 8:17 PM

“C’mon, that parrot was practically BEGGING for it!”

DarthBrooks on December 21, 2012 at 8:23 PM

I don’t want to play anymore.

Axe on December 21, 2012 at 8:32 PM

Hows ’bout Objectum Sexuals? People who fall in love with inanimate objects? National Geographic Channel had a whole hour on them, including an American woman who cuddled up to a chunk of the Berlin wall at night. Gives a whole new meaning to the country tune from back in my Army days:

I love my truck
It’s right outside
I ain’t got much luck
But I sho’ got a ride!

Ladysmith CulchaVulcha on December 21, 2012 at 8:35 PM

yeah, that sounds about right for you

WryTrvllr on December 21, 2012 at 8:35 PM

How are we going to wage the upcoming civil war without clear geographical boundaries?

Mason on December 21, 2012 at 2:47 PM

I’ve been wondering how this divorce is going to happen, too.

Axe on December 21, 2012 at 8:37 PM

That, and the fact that HIV came from monkeys.

WryTrvllr on December 21, 2012 at 8:49 PM

But this threads more fun

WryTrvllr on December 21, 2012 at 8:52 PM

I’ll reread it

WryTrvllr on December 21, 2012 at 8:53 PM

mixed answers at best

WryTrvllr on December 21, 2012 at 8:54 PM

And stigma or not, HIV came from monkeys.

WryTrvllr on December 21, 2012 at 9:02 PM

And stigma or not, HIV came from monkeys.

WryTrvllr on December 21, 2012 at 9:02 PM

Sure. It could be transmitted by a monkey biting someone.

Ladysmith CulchaVulcha on December 21, 2012 at 9:04 PM

When the Israelis came into the Promised Land with Joshua as their leader…..

Didn’t God tell them in the stories that they were to kill EVERY living thing because the tribes that lived there had sexually corrupted even the Animals?

If America ever gets to that point…..would ISLAM actually be saving mankind by destroying us?

PappyD61 on December 22, 2012 at 12:16 AM

PappyD61,

No, I really don’t think so. This is Romans 1:18-32 writ large. In those verses Paul repeats an action of God three times.

…they… exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images…
Therefore God gave them up…

…they exchanged the truth about God for a lie
and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator…
For this reason God gave them up…

And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God,
God gave them up…

A. T. Robertson wrote:

“[This is] not three stages in the giving over, but a repetition of the same withdrawal. The words sound to us like clods on a coffin as God leaves men to work their own wicked will.”

To what did God give them up?

…in the lusts of their hearts…

…dishonorable passions…

…to a debased mind…

In His wrath God gave them up to their own hearts and minds. And Paul lists observable, undeniable facts about man’s resultant behavior—in this behavior we see God’s wrath revealed. The behavior is both physical and metaphysical; it involves physical acts and mental thoughts and attitudes. Most of us would also admit the behavior can be described as moral behavior–morally reprehensible, evil behavior. God’s wrath is revealed…and we can see it in these acts and attitudes of man without restraint.

INC on December 22, 2012 at 3:01 AM

INC on December 22, 2012 at 3:01 AM

Interesting, INC.

Axe on December 22, 2012 at 5:07 AM

Another reason why the ACLU is “normalizing” beastiality, is that the UCMJ code that deals with sodomy also includes beastiality.
.
There are about 1500 pathogens that infect humans. About 900 of those came from another species.
This is a health issue.
Do we need yet another AIDS, or H1N1, or leshminasis outbreak potentially killing millions?

LincolntheHun on December 22, 2012 at 6:39 AM

Gosh. Haven’t Reagan Conservatives predicted this all along?

kingsjester on December 22, 2012 at 8:23 AM

When the Israelis came into the Promised Land with Joshua as their leader…..

Didn’t God tell them in the stories that they were to kill EVERY living thing because the tribes that lived there had sexually corrupted even the Animals?

If America ever gets to that point…..would ISLAM actually be saving mankind by destroying us?

PappyD61 on December 22, 2012 at 12:16 AM

When the Israelites entered the Promised Land Joshua was commanded to commit what we call ethnic cleansing. Everyone and everything thing was killed …………. that means men, women and children.

SC.Charlie on December 22, 2012 at 8:34 AM

Neigh means no!

soundingboard on December 22, 2012 at 8:45 AM

Why do shepherds wear robes?
C’os sheep can hear a zipper a mile away.

soundingboard on December 22, 2012 at 8:46 AM

Another reason why the ACLU is “normalizing” beastiality, is that the UCMJ code that deals with sodomy also includes beastiality.

– LincolntheHun on December 22, 2012 at 6:39 AM

And, all those “normal” folks in the military that were committing sodomy were greatly relieved. Oh, wait a second, they were never prosecuted.

SC.Charlie on December 22, 2012 at 9:24 AM

And people wonder why we have mass shootings. The left has worked hard to create a morally bankrupt country and then they have the nerve to wonder why people turn out to be loons.

The Notorious G.O.P on December 22, 2012 at 5:09 PM

evil. pure evil.

unseen on December 22, 2012 at 5:56 PM

This is why the difference between Communists and American Libertarians are only a few degrees apart; one believes in it as individual choice, while the other wishes to undermine decent society of which there are standards of adherence.

The result is the same. Therefore, all these “issues” boil down to whether or not some thing can be defined; in most cases the answer is in the affirmative.

If bestiality is a “choice” and “ok”, then what is not? Everything in life is choice; is everything “ok” by that standard? Again, answer is in the affirmative.

John Kettlewell on December 23, 2012 at 7:50 PM

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