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“Republicans are so screwed”

posted at 11:52 am on November 30, 2012 by

It’s difficult to argue with Matt Lewis on this point:

Democrats control the presidency, the senate, and the mainstream media. Elections have consequences; they hold the cards. Republicans control the House — just enough levers of power to allow them to be blamed for obstruction.

Republicans are so screwed.

The best way out of the trap is to hold out for a deal which delivers on real entitlement and tax reform, but that depends on getting concessions from Barack Obama.  His opening bid was so laughable that it might be the GOP’s only hope; even some in the media scolded Obama for it.

Unfortunately, even a deal won’t help Republicans in the short term, in part because the base seems to think that Republicans still have trump cards to play in this game:

This hasn’t stopped some conservative pundits from acting as if Republicans hold all the cards. But the notion that Republicans have leverage is silly. It’s the same kind of happy thinking that led some to boldly predict a Romney victory.

Look at it from Obama’s perspective. Would allowing the sequestration cuts to kick in be that bad? It would allow him to cut the U.S. military (and blame Republicans), make some much-needed spending cuts (without taking heat from his base), and — as a bonus – raise taxes!

You can understand why some people think the best way out is to vote “present” and let Obama get everything he wants — and then own the consequences.  And it may still come down to that.

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You can understand why some people think the best way out is to vote “present” and let Obama get everything he wants — and then own the consequences. And it may still come down to that.

Politically, it’s by far the best option. The more Obama gets what he wants, the more he owns it. Of course he’ll blame the GOP when things go bad, but it’ll be very easy for Republicans to point out the obvious that it was Obama’s own policies that led to the disaster.

Doughboy on November 30, 2012 at 11:58 AM

Own it dear leader

cmsinaz on November 30, 2012 at 11:59 AM

When you know you’re gonna get blamed anyway then you have nothing to lose so you might as well get your money’s worth–like a baseball manager who goes on a rant before leaving the field after getting the heave-ho from the ump. I hope they do all vote present. In fact, I’m contacting my rep and urging him to do that (senators are a lost cause in my state).

stukinIL4now on November 30, 2012 at 12:01 PM

The best way out of the trap is to hold out for a deal which delivers on real entitlement and tax reform, but that depends on getting concessions from Barack Obama. His opening bid was so laughable that it might be the GOP’s only hope; even some in the media scolded Obama for it.

yeah, this is such a good idea that Joe Trippi was pushing. “make” the left increase taxes on the rich and then the right gets to Cut Medicare

yeah, Trippi actually said that. Yeah, he thinks that everyone has a two digit iq. (which, well, may be true for Rs).

this is the let mikey eat it strategy. The Left is the Hero of the People, the Right Cuts Medicare.

And Rs are just stupid enough to do this. Ryan was a big problem…i’m sorry to break the news…but Medicare and SS are the third rails of politics. Rs apparently are generally too dumb to know that

we do not have an educated electorate. We can’t float these theoretical concepts (lie npv of the net 75 years)..they want their h/c

r keller on November 30, 2012 at 12:02 PM

Let it burn.

We are screwed either way, our ‘negotiating’ for whatever slightly less crappy deal we can find will only lead to losses down the line and then we’ll be right back to square one. If we’re screwed, we need to hurry up and get it over with, not kick the can down the road.

Geraghty’s point is valid, the greater danger to the solvency and health of the country is a majority of voters who think they can rob producers blind for their own goodies. We should give the Dems everything they want, avoid the cliff, and watch it all fall apart.

I have no idea how many electoral cycles we’ll need to watch it burn, but I have no faith that we could avoid the burn with the present mindset of most voters.

John_Locke on November 30, 2012 at 12:03 PM

As long as he owns the press, we are done. Our press needs to be louder. And it’s sad to even say “our press”. These people have a responsibility and they ignore it.

Cindy Munford on November 30, 2012 at 12:03 PM

Letting Obama have everything he wants would be the best option at this point. The reason the GOP can’t do it is because of the backlash they would suffer from delusional conservatives and tea party types who can’t come to grips with the reality that Lewis is stating here.

Mark1971 on November 30, 2012 at 12:05 PM

we do not have an educated electorate. We can’t float these theoretical concepts (lie npv of the net 75 years)..they want their h/c

r keller on November 30, 2012 at 12:02 PM

Pain is the quickest education.

John_Locke on November 30, 2012 at 12:05 PM

Listen, the country could be invaded by the Chinese army, or the DJIA could collapse to zero, and the media would tell everybody it’s a good thing and a happy day.

DaydreamBeliever on November 30, 2012 at 12:05 PM

@mark

I actually think real conservatives and tea partiers don’t care at this point. We already know that Boehner is going to give Obama whatever he wants.

johnnyboy on November 30, 2012 at 12:09 PM

Geraghty’s point is valid, the greater danger to the solvency and health of the country is a majority of voters who think they can rob producers blind for their own goodies. We should give the Dems everything they want, avoid the cliff, and watch it all fall apart.

The problem with this is that it takes a long time to “fall apart”.

Japan has been “falling apart” for almost 25 years because they can, like the U.S., print their own money.

Greece, which doesn’t have that luxury, has been “falling apart” for over five years and still haven’t made serious cuts in spending.

Everyone thinks the economy will collapse like a burst damn. Not the case. It’s more like the Chinese water tourture..drip..drip..drip.

WisRich on November 30, 2012 at 12:10 PM

If we vote “present”, the meme will be that it is the Republican’s fault for not stopping Obama from doing something stupid.

If there is no solution implemented in the next month, what will happen when, come April 2013, the average person realizes that the simply don’t have the money to pay the increase in taxes? Especially when they have been used to getting a refund?

kurtzz3 on November 30, 2012 at 12:10 PM

Just. Give. Up.

thebrokenrattle on November 30, 2012 at 12:12 PM

Republicans will be blamed for any and all things that go wrong and stupid Americans will believe it. If we’re going to be blamed either way, I say we go down swinging and try to fight as long and as hard as possible.

If the tables were turned and Dems only controlled the house, would they be entertaining any option other than fighting for every last part of their agenda? Of course not. At what point to we admit they have outmaneuvered us at every turn and begin to take pages out of their playbook?

Kataklysmic on November 30, 2012 at 12:13 PM

I still think they should walk away. Agreeing to any deal where Obama gets supreme authority to raise the debt ceiling whenever he feels like it is insane. The GOP will be blamed either way…if we agree to anything with cuts, those will be placed at our feet. If we don’t and cuts go through anyway, those will be placed at our feet.

Given that, just give the Dems what they really want by going over the cliff. I am not convinced that voters will punish the Republican House for that…the bottom line is Obama won, and it is his economy. And, if the Dems get the House back? Then they truly own the results. I think it is far worse politically for the GOP to agree to deals designed as gifts to the Left…eventually, you’ll be left opposing nothing at all.

changer1701 on November 30, 2012 at 12:14 PM

The problem with this is that it takes a long time to “fall apart”.

Japan has been “falling apart” for almost 25 years because they can, like the U.S., print their own money.

Greece, which doesn’t have that luxury, has been “falling apart” for over five years and still haven’t made serious cuts in spending.

Everyone thinks the economy will collapse like a burst damn. Not the case. It’s more like the Chinese water tourture..drip..drip..drip.

WisRich on November 30, 2012 at 12:10 PM

We don’t have any other options really. Most of the ‘ideas’ coming from our party are suicide and will just turn us into a better manager of the leviathan.

I think it will take a while but I do have hope that a series of sharp downturns will have a much deeper (and quicker) impact in the US than Japan or Greece, partially due to the size of our country and economy, on top of the involvement we have worldwide.

John_Locke on November 30, 2012 at 12:14 PM

Hey, I’m all in favor of letting Obama get what he wants. The “Let it Burn” policy isn’t entirely all that bad– after all, it’s been burning since 2009. What’s another 2-4 more years of smoulder?

If Republicans take heat for “raising taxes”, simply walk them out and say, “America elected Obama and his policies. Evidently they didn’t realize how bad they were for the country, so they re-elected him in 2012. So we played along with what America wanted, even though we knew it would result in no improvements to our current economic desperation.

“Now it’s 2014, and we’re tired of the Democrats in the Senate not producing budgets. We’re tired of Obama’s insistence that his horrible policies have done anything to improve the country. Our strategy WILL work, but it will now take 12-16 years to fix the damage that Democratic policies have wrought.”

Make them own it. Be sure everyone knows it’s a Democratic plan. Then nail them to the wall when it fails. Again. But bigger.

Nethicus on November 30, 2012 at 12:15 PM

pass one stand alone bill extending the highest tax rate, and another extending all the other rates, and just walk away after that

commodore on November 30, 2012 at 12:25 PM

Since Republicans are going to get blamed anyway, they should stand on principle. Better to take the blame when you stand on principle than to take the blame by selling out on those principles.

thirteen28 on November 30, 2012 at 12:25 PM

The pubs will cave. Thats obvious. Being a realist, its inevitable. Especially after losing the elections.

tommy71 on November 30, 2012 at 12:28 PM

LET IT BURN At this time let Obozo owns it, anybody not convinced the Dems will fluke it up. So stand back , watch it fall, and blame them every chance you get. By the time they figure it out they own it. Stop playing the game, Repubs will be blamed, if you agree or if you don’t, vote present on everything.

stormridercx4 on November 30, 2012 at 12:29 PM

The best way out of the trap is to hold out for a deal which delivers on real entitlement and tax reform,

I’m sorry, but this is idiotic.

The ‘trap’ is set in order to win in 2014.

Your idea guarantees Dem victory in 2014.

faraway on November 30, 2012 at 12:29 PM

Since Republicans are going to get blamed anyway, they should stand on principle. Better to take the blame when you stand on principle than to take the blame by selling out on those principles.

thirteen28 on November 30, 2012 at 12:25 PM

Thanks, I needed a good laugh. What principles? Republican leadership and principles can’t even be considered in the same sentence.

John_Locke on November 30, 2012 at 12:29 PM

If we go over ‘the cliff’ our economy dies, if we don’t go over ‘the cliff’ our economy dies. I say, let Obama have his way…as the US goes, so goes the world. Since the US is propping up a large majority of the countries of the world… let’s bring equality and misery to all. (No more free stuff to anyone! Woo hoo!)

The sooner it happens, the sooner we can take actiona and right our ship of State and arrest and prosecute any associated with the government (It’ll take a while, but that’s what reality TV is for), we can include all members of the media as well… everyone will ‘have their day on court’ so to speak.

xmanvietnam on November 30, 2012 at 12:30 PM

Since Republicans are going to get blamed anyway, they should stand on principle. Better to take the blame when you stand on principle than to take the blame by selling out on those principles.

thirteen28 on November 30, 2012 at 12:25 PM

Agreed. Not only do you do what’s best for the country but you avoid alienating your base. They won’t stick with you if you sell out.

WisRich on November 30, 2012 at 12:31 PM

I would agree with this to a point. Long term though the Republicans can easily turn this around. Let’s go off the cliff. Then make Obama veto bills restoring most of the tax cuts and defense spending. Which he never will as both will receive significant Democrat support in Congress. Obama will get his higher tax on the wealthy. Republicans will get at least some minimal entitlement cuts in the sequester and the economy will still stink.

Rocks on November 30, 2012 at 12:33 PM

They should bring Geithner’s proposal to the floor of the House and insist on it going to the floor of the Senate, RIGHT NOW. Why negotiate?

rockmom on November 30, 2012 at 12:33 PM

Letting Obama have everything he wants would be the best option at this point. The reason the GOP can’t do it is because of the backlash they would suffer from delusional conservatives and tea party types who can’t come to grips with the reality that Lewis is stating here.

Mark1971 on November 30, 2012 at 12:05 PM

No. Because socialists NEVER LEARN! We could give Obama every single solitary thing he wants and when it doesn’t work, they still won’t learn. If anything, they’ll just insist upon more government power. More of other people’s money. More programs.

Giving up now just concedes we’re going to go full blown commie.

ButterflyDragon on November 30, 2012 at 12:35 PM

Sadly it does look like the let it burn strategy might be the only way out…

OK Mr. President – We wont get in the way, but you sure as hell wont get one vote. Your policies are bankrupting the country and it seems the only way to fix it is to let it happen. The voters have spoken and they shall get what the asked for and damn hard.

This is like watching a slow-motion train wreck.

Unfortunately it looking more and more like need to have a 2008-esque melt down for the US to come to their senses.

abnormal_1 on November 30, 2012 at 12:35 PM

And the Supreme court, very soon – the House will be irrelevant before it too falls under their control. DEVESTATION AWAITS

michaelthomas on November 30, 2012 at 12:40 PM

You can understand why some people think the best way out is to vote “present” and let Obama get everything he wants — and then own the consequences. And it may still come down to that.

They can not let him take the purse strings away from Congress with the unlimited debt ceiling!

Also, if he gets the tax cuts for the middle class without any entitlement reforms, they will never get them. Fool me once and all that…

The GOP needs to be hammering away at the other things that are going to affect low income taxpayers with Obama taking such an antagonistic stance. They also need to put forth a plan of their own to shut up the left. Whether it is as big of a non-starter as Obama’s or not, it doesn’t matter.

As others have said, I say let them expire if there is mo real reform offered by the left, and don’t just cut them next year right away either. Leave the rates there until real reform is on the table.

Patriot Vet on November 30, 2012 at 12:42 PM

They should bring Geithner’s proposal to the floor of the House and insist on it going to the floor of the Senate, RIGHT NOW. Why negotiate?

rockmom on November 30, 2012 at 12:33 PM

That would be great but Reid would never allow it, right?

Kataklysmic on November 30, 2012 at 12:42 PM

The R’s still have the debt limit card.

Do they have cojones to play it?

WisRich on November 30, 2012 at 12:42 PM

The best option may be to let the tax cuts expire for everyone. The media has convinced folks that Bush cut taxes for the rich.

Let the tax cuts expire, and watch what happens.

muckdog on November 30, 2012 at 12:44 PM

Thanks, I needed a good laugh. What principles? Republican leadership and principles can’t even be considered in the same sentence.

John_Locke on November 30, 2012 at 12:29 PM

How about “What’s mine is mine and what’s yours is yours”?

Is that a good start?

michaelthomas on November 30, 2012 at 12:44 PM

Oh…you were being sarcastic about Repubs with no backbone..

michaelthomas on November 30, 2012 at 12:45 PM

America voted stupidly when it re-elected Obama, so it’s time for the beatings to begin.

Let it burn.

DRayRaven on November 30, 2012 at 12:47 PM

What a bunch of quitters. You make me sick.

Thank God our founding fathers weren’t quitters.

Mycroft on November 30, 2012 at 12:48 PM

America is so screwed.

Right Mover on November 30, 2012 at 12:48 PM

We will be blamed for whatever happens. Too bad, so sad. But that should be, on one level at least, liberating. Let’s try just once to do the right thing and stop trying to be liked. Stop the (spending) madness. No more, no less.

No more Lucy and her football. Knock it off. Do the right thing for once. That is the only thing that will provide any thin shred of hope for the future of conservatism. Playing ProgressiveLite seals our doom.

ConservativeLA on November 30, 2012 at 12:49 PM

If we vote “present”, the meme will be that it is the Republican’s fault for not stopping Obama from doing something stupid.

If there is no solution implemented in the next month, what will happen when, come April 2013, the average person realizes that the simply don’t have the money to pay the increase in taxes? Especially when they have been used to getting a refund?

kurtzz3 on November 30, 2012 at 12:10 PM

That’s the “beauty” of withholding – even a large increase is small enough on a biweekly check to not really be noticed. Besides, the refund of overpayments won’t change much (well, except for those turned into moochers by Obama, but they’ll be taken off the hook by mid-January anyway).

Steve Eggleston on November 30, 2012 at 12:51 PM

Years ago I had a boss who cautioned me to never engage in a fight with someone who purchased ink by the barrel and newsprint by the truck-load. As long as the MainStreamMedia is willingly serving as the Ministry of Propaganda we – that is, Conservatives – will never see our values communicated unless it’s through the twisted prejudice of the Left.

Newspapers, budget, law, radio, film, theater, music, literature and visual arts are all controlled almost totally by the Left and are used to influence good little Marxists.

I’d love to hear some ideas for reclaiming the MSM. Any suggestions?

oldleprechaun on November 30, 2012 at 12:52 PM

I love the idea of voting present. Can’t accuse of obstructing and can’t take the blame either.

And I dare Obama to complain given his history of voting present.

I know…I know. A boy can dream though.

ChrisL on November 30, 2012 at 12:53 PM

I love the idea of voting present. Can’t accuse of obstructing and can’t take the blame either.

And I dare Obama to complain given his history of voting present.

I know…I know. A boy can dream though.

ChrisL on November 30, 2012 at 12:53 PM

The Dem’s give one iota about being hypocrites. Never have, never will. The Media has their backs.

WisRich on November 30, 2012 at 12:56 PM

Pass the Senate 98% plan; it is the only tax reduction plan out there with a prayer of passing. Pass an AMT fix since that would help many middle class voters. Pass a reduction in the $50 billion/year defense cut and pass Simpson Boles. Then the House should adjourn for the year and wait for the rest of the government to do something. These are all popular measures. Whatever the Dems do, the GOP has cover and the Dems may actually allow some of these to pass.

KW64 on November 30, 2012 at 12:57 PM

Thanks, I needed a good laugh. What principles? Republican leadership and principles can’t even be considered in the same sentence.

John_Locke on November 30, 2012 at 12:29 PM

Well, you do have a good point. I do have faith that there are a handful of Republicans that actually believe in all of the conservative talk they speak when running for office … but sadly, you are probably right about most of them. They’ll cave like the spineless p*ssies they are, Obama and the dems will have a huge PR win, and nothing will have been accomplished.

thirteen28 on November 30, 2012 at 12:57 PM

Ed,

This entire line of reasoning infuriates me. It makes me even madder because so many Republicans buy this rotgut.

The fact is, more republicans won elections than Democrats. The HOUSE, not the Senate, not the presidency, controls the purse strings.

Elections have consequences. If the president wants one damned dime, he better change his tune entirely.

Republicans should divide up the budget into 25-30 smaller parts. Immediately pass the entire thing and demand that the president pass the the parts that pertain to the funding the neediest, Social Security beneficiaries, military, and the like. These folks are not bargaining chips. The other 90% of government is shut down, and it’s shutdown until such a time as the president agrees to negotiate cuts.

If the president doesn’t act in good faith, then the Republicans can, rightly, call him and the senate obstructionist.

The Republicans should be asking HIM how HE is going to pay for his tax rate increases which will cost hundreds of billion of dollars in lost revenue.

The Republicans should asking HIM how HE is going to balance his unconscionable tax increases with meaningful spending cuts.

The Republicans should be asking HIM how he is going to justify the fraudulent “baseline budgeting’ that they want to end.

WashingtonsWake on November 30, 2012 at 12:59 PM

I actually think real conservatives and tea partiers don’t care at this point. We already know that Boehner is going to give Obama whatever he wants.

johnnyboy on November 30, 2012 at 12:09 PM

What is a “real conservative?” It seems to me that people who make this remark are often socons or evangelical. So let’s have it. You said, it. Now define it.

What is a “real conservative?”

Capitalist Hog on November 30, 2012 at 1:00 PM

The best way out of the trap is to hold out for a deal which delivers on real entitlement and tax reform, but that depends on getting concessions from Barack Obama. His opening bid was so laughable that it might be the GOP’s only hope; even some in the media scolded Obama for it.

yeah, this is such a good idea that Joe Trippi was pushing. “make” the left increase taxes on the rich and then the right gets to Cut Medicare

yeah, Trippi actually said that. Yeah, he thinks that everyone has a two digit iq. (which, well, may be true for Rs).

this is the let mikey eat it strategy. The Left is the Hero of the People, the Right Cuts Medicare.

And Rs are just stupid enough to do this. Ryan was a big problem…i’m sorry to break the news…but Medicare and SS are the third rails of politics. Rs apparently are generally too dumb to know that

we do not have an educated electorate. We can’t float these theoretical concepts (lie npv of the net 75 years)..they want their h/c

r keller on November 30, 2012 at 12:02 PM

+1.

One of the biggest political advantages Republicans had (and still have, incidentally) was fear of Obamacare, and its attendant cuts to Medicare.

So what do the Republicans do? Nominate for VP the one guy that people feared more than Obamacare. Brilliant.

Dreadnought on November 30, 2012 at 1:01 PM

WashingtonsWake on November 30, 2012 at 12:59 PM

Yeah, that’ll happen.

Capitalist Hog on November 30, 2012 at 1:01 PM

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