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“Republicans are so screwed”

posted at 11:52 am on November 30, 2012 by

It’s difficult to argue with Matt Lewis on this point:

Democrats control the presidency, the senate, and the mainstream media. Elections have consequences; they hold the cards. Republicans control the House — just enough levers of power to allow them to be blamed for obstruction.

Republicans are so screwed.

The best way out of the trap is to hold out for a deal which delivers on real entitlement and tax reform, but that depends on getting concessions from Barack Obama.  His opening bid was so laughable that it might be the GOP’s only hope; even some in the media scolded Obama for it.

Unfortunately, even a deal won’t help Republicans in the short term, in part because the base seems to think that Republicans still have trump cards to play in this game:

This hasn’t stopped some conservative pundits from acting as if Republicans hold all the cards. But the notion that Republicans have leverage is silly. It’s the same kind of happy thinking that led some to boldly predict a Romney victory.

Look at it from Obama’s perspective. Would allowing the sequestration cuts to kick in be that bad? It would allow him to cut the U.S. military (and blame Republicans), make some much-needed spending cuts (without taking heat from his base), and — as a bonus – raise taxes!

You can understand why some people think the best way out is to vote “present” and let Obama get everything he wants — and then own the consequences.  And it may still come down to that.

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And you know what, the time for ‘practical’ is lost past. This IS a war for the country, and we’re losing by attrition. If the economy and the nation attrit much more, there’ll be nothing left to fight over or for. There’s really no more time to pick a battle.

If the REpublicans get blamed, so be it. Take the stand, make the point, and pay the price. THEN, if they lose in 2 years and things go to hell it won’t be blamed on the Republicans.

These insane policies of the Democrats are as intolerable as any acts of the King.

WashingtonsWake on November 30, 2012 at 1:01 PM

Ok ok, last one, I promise -

The Republicans are NOT screwed. They are afraid. They are timid. They are cowardly, but they are not screwed. If they think they’re screwed because they might get blamed for bad things, well poor them. They’re idiots.

The only people screwed in this whole disaster are the American People who have been so completely lied to and deceived, so completely dis-educated, that they can not tell right from wrong and what is cause and what is effect.

But the Republicans aren’t screwed at all. Unless by ‘screwed’ you mean they have to make a hard decision and fight a fight they’ll probably lose in the short run. I don’t consider that screwed at all, I consider that being elected to congress.

WashingtonsWake on November 30, 2012 at 1:04 PM

I don’t care anymore. The media can rot in hell and they can take their overlords in the government with them.

jawkneemusic on November 30, 2012 at 1:13 PM

WashingtonsWake on November 30, 2012 at 1:04 PM

I say keep posting. Do you really think the Republicans can leverage their House victories in any meaningful way?

David on November 30, 2012 at 1:14 PM

The problem with this is that it takes a long time to “fall apart”.

Japan has been “falling apart” for almost 25 years because they can, like the U.S., print their own money.

Greece, which doesn’t have that luxury, has been “falling apart” for over five years and still haven’t made serious cuts in spending.

Everyone thinks the economy will collapse like a burst damn. Not the case. It’s more like the Chinese water tourture..drip..drip..drip.

WisRich on November 30, 2012 at 12:10 PM

Japan financed their deficit for decades with huge trade surpluses, although that dam is finally bursting as we speak. The US doesn’t have that luxury. THere is no way we could sustain current levels of deficit spending more than 2-3 years max without a major collapse in the bond market.

Greece has already fallen apart, and it will get much worse. Same with much of continental Europe. We will get the ultimate “reset” moment sometime in our lifetime.

That being said, maybe the GOP should attempt to negotiate a deal, however loopsided it might be. Things will get much worse soon, and the GOP will be blamed regardless.

Might as well give us a few extra months to prepare for the inevitable.

Norwegian on November 30, 2012 at 1:15 PM

Toss Boehner out of the leadership, elect some leaders with balls. Then fight like the 300 and at least die with honor.

David on November 30, 2012 at 1:15 PM

You can understand why some people think the best way out is to vote “present” and let Obama get everything he wants — and then own the consequences. And it may still come down to that.

I can’t understand that at all, because it pretty much contradicts the very argument they make in favor of adopting this strategy. Who is going to make him own it, the same media that has been providing cover for his fluke ups since before he was elected? Bwaaaa ha ha ha ha ha ha ha…..

xblade on November 30, 2012 at 1:26 PM

I was at the grocery store the other day, and there was a guy ahead of me in line who looked like a homeless person. For no discernable reason, he kept repeating to the checkout lady that the economy would be a lot better off if Republicans didn’t control the House of Representatives.

This guy probably couldn’t tie his own shoelaces without help. But by God, he knew that Republicans are destroying the world.

He had a lady with him who was helping him shop. The people who used to be institutionalized now have their own personal assistants, personal shoppers, personal chauffers, and full-time political indoctrinators.

The Chicago Daley Machine has now been fully implemented nationwide. Democrat apparatchiks gleefully refer to their brain-damaged voters as “meat puppets.”

logis on November 30, 2012 at 1:26 PM

Republicans will be blamed for any and all things that go wrong and stupid Americans will believe it. If we’re going to be blamed either way, I say we go down swinging and try to fight as long and as hard as possible.

If the tables were turned and Dems only controlled the house, would they be entertaining any option other than fighting for every last part of their agenda? Of course not. At what point to we admit they have outmaneuvered us at every turn and begin to take pages out of their playbook?

Kataklysmic on November 30, 2012 at 12:13 PM

You vote your beliefs. That’s what you were elected for. If some squishes in the House allow bad bills to pass then so be it. If we have gridlock and everything goes to heck, then so be it. Gridlock is good. The Bush tax cuts expire, so what. Voting present only shows that you are a politician with no spine.

Vince on November 30, 2012 at 1:27 PM

Obama’s dream, like every liberal’s, is to raise taxes on everyone and cut military spending dramatically. Republicans got in this mess b/c of the deals they’ve made before. But now that they’re in it they have to deal with it.

Obama is intentionally asking for WAY more than he ever proposed during the election and ever before. He wants to go over the cliff and WILL effectively blame Republicans for it.

Republicans need to give him what he wants, then let him own it. Give 53% of America what they voted for. Vote present and let them own the damage.

FreeManOtis on November 30, 2012 at 1:41 PM

The Dems are playing the win/win game for themselves. They are looking toward the 2014 mid-terms and will villify Republicans for agreeing to tax hikes (if Republicans agree). They will pound Republicans in 2014 for breaking their no tax increase pledge.

If the country goes over the fiscal cliff, the Dems will say it’s all the Republicans fault. That villifying has already started:

http://money.msn.com/business-news/article.aspx?feed=OBR&date=20121130&id=15850623

Quote from Obamasite:

“It’s not acceptable to me and I don’t think it’s acceptable to you for just a handful of Republicans in Congress to hold middle-class tax cuts hostage simply because they don’t want tax rates on upper income folks to go up,” Obama said.

So the villifying has begun. Is resistance futile?

rsherwd65 on November 30, 2012 at 1:42 PM

So what do the Republicans do? Nominate for VP the one guy that people feared more than Obamacare. Brilliant.

Dreadnought on November 30, 2012 at 1:01 PM

The public’s fear was, as usual, a result of effective Democrat propaganda. Paul Ryan is not a problem. His nomination for VP was a good decision. You are making excuses for the ignorant electorate and that time is past. As was written elsewhere here, pain is a very effective teacher. We should allow the tax cuts of the evil George Bush to expire and go back to the tax rates we had during the care free years of the Clinton Administration. When the guy on the street discovers that those care free days are not returning some long overdue reflection will be in order on his part.

DaveDief on November 30, 2012 at 1:43 PM

vote “present” and let Obama get everything he wants — and then own the consequences

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. There are 2 options. One is to give that thing everything it wants and let it own it. Second, is to shut it all down and wait for the next election. In either case, I would tell the American people, several times a day, elections have consequences and this is what they voted for. I’m good with either option…over the cliff and let it burn…

RedInMD on November 30, 2012 at 1:43 PM

WashingtonsWake on November 30, 2012 at 12:59 PM

Yeah, that’ll happen.

Capitalist Hog on November 30, 2012 at 1:01 PM

HAHAHA!!!

Maybe in some alternate universe with a bearded spock.

WashingtonsWake on November 30, 2012 at 1:44 PM

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. There are 2 options. One is to give that thing everything it wants and let it own it. Second, is to shut it all down and wait for the next election. In either case, I would tell the American people, several times a day, elections have consequences and this is what they voted for. I’m good with either option…over the cliff and let it burn…

RedInMD on November 30, 2012 at 1:43 PM

You do realize what happened the last few times government was shut down, right?

Oh well – we’re terminally boned anyway.

Steve Eggleston on November 30, 2012 at 1:46 PM

I find it really shocking how dumb are supposed “pundits” are. Hold the line on taxes, or let the country go over the cliff. Elections do have consequences, and if you put the party of no tax increases in charge of the House of Representatives, you should expect them to vote against tax increases, every time.

Progressive Heretic on November 30, 2012 at 1:49 PM

Democrat apparatchiks gleefully refer to their brain-damaged voters as “meat puppets.”

logis on November 30, 2012 at 1:26 PM

A very apt description, if I may say so.

UltimateBob on November 30, 2012 at 1:49 PM

Vote present! Make a deal that r can get whatever be wants except the power to raise the debt ceiling whenever he wants then vote present. Either way republicans will be blamed. I say do what has the least damage to the country and that’s voting present. It will be a nightmare if they go over the cliff. Goodbye republicans if so because they’ll be to blame and will never have a majority again.

mrscullen on November 30, 2012 at 1:50 PM

I should probably run out and buy some gold huh

mrscullen on November 30, 2012 at 1:52 PM

Hey Ed,

Fxxx Yxx!!!

You would have surrendered at the Battle of the Bulge!!! You wuss!!!

patch on November 30, 2012 at 1:52 PM

And Allahpundit probably thinks Dunkirk was an Allied defeat!!!

Bring back Michelle Malkin; she had more bxxxs than the two of you!!!

patch on November 30, 2012 at 1:56 PM

republicans need to counter using Obama’s own ration. If he wants 1.6 trillion in tax hikes, he needs to cut 4 trillion (concrete cuts) over the same time frame as the tax hikes. That needs to be the GOP rebuttal.

Zaggs on November 30, 2012 at 2:38 PM

Boehner hasn’t the cojones or the smarts to force Obama to make decisions and own the fallout.

Obama is the WORST PRESIDENT EVER, and the Republicans lose at every turn.

Says more about the hapless and moribund Republican Party than a President who perennially votes “present” and who has no executive experience!

Sparky5253 on November 30, 2012 at 3:01 PM

The GOP is Dead! – Long Live the GOP!
The GOP is dead, finished, all-she-wrote in Washington DC. That is to say, in Congress.
They’re dead because the GOP are in a no-win situation proven by the Six Point ActionAgenda from Dick Morris–our famous prognosticator–laid out in his recent video.
Why? Because the agenda Morris sets out for the GOP must be done primarily from Washington and that agenda will be impossible to implement. As a matter of fact, some of the Republicans in Congress are sounding like they will go back on their principles to avoid the fiscal cliff.
They have to if they want to see themselves re-elected in two years.
If the GOP in Congress holds firm on taxes and cuts to the Federal budget and we go over the cliff, then the Republican controlled Congress will get the blame–egged on with the MSM–and the GOP will lose control of Congress and we are back to one party rule.
Again. I see the GOP in a no-win situation on a national level.
But there is hope for the preservation of our conservative principles and constitutional values in government. That hope is providing examples of how these same principles and values, stimulating the local economy, cutting taxes and spending, providing jobs, that will be impossible to implement by Congress can, in no uncertain terms, work.
Theseprinciples and values are working in the GOP controlled red states like Texas and purple states like New Jersey led by conservative or near conservative governors and legislatures–Republican governorships and legislatures that have grown in numbers with the last election.
In those states that represent the Democrat agenda, the worst of the blue states like California, are failing miserably. Of course, Obama will bail out those states with the tax revenues from the successful red states but that’s to be expected and hopefully the worst of what would happen.
The worst?
The blue state population see the success of the red state next door and leaves the cesspool of the liberal utopia and move to the red states–and infect the body politic there with their liberal ideology, unrepentant from their blue state experience.
The GOP and the principles and values it represents can survive and thrive in the red states and act as proven examples of conservative and constitutional principles–and that’s where money and support should be channeled. Forget Washington DC. Forget Congress. The future of the GOP is on the state level.
Hear that Dick?

WC on November 30, 2012 at 3:24 PM

The Republicans are NOT screwed. They are afraid. They are timid. They are cowardly, but they are not screwed. If they think they’re screwed because they might get blamed for bad things, well poor them. They’re idiots.

The only people screwed in this whole disaster are the American People who have been so completely lied to and deceived, so completely dis-educated, that they can not tell right from wrong and what is cause and what is effect.
But the Republicans aren’t screwed at all. Unless by ‘screwed’ you mean they have to make a hard decision and fight a fight they’ll probably lose in the short run. I don’t consider that screwed at all, I consider that being elected to congress.

WashingtonsWake on November 30, 2012 at 1:04 PM

You are living in a fantasy world. The GOP is screwed. And they’re idiots. And they won’t/don’t fight. And wont nominate a presidential who will propose and promote free market principles and solutions to try to reverse that “dis-education.” So, yeah. We Americans are all screwed.

besser tot als rot on November 30, 2012 at 3:24 PM

republicans need to counter using Obama’s own ration. If he wants 1.6 trillion in tax hikes, he needs to cut 4 trillion (concrete cuts) over the same time frame as the tax hikes. That needs to be the GOP rebuttal.

Zaggs on November 30, 2012 at 2:38 PM

That would take a non-brain dead Republican Party. So, I won’t hold my breath.

besser tot als rot on November 30, 2012 at 3:26 PM

I say keep posting. Do you really think the Republicans can leverage their House victories in any meaningful way?

David on November 30, 2012 at 1:14 PM

Yes. Into meaningful and lucrative lobbying positions.

besser tot als rot on November 30, 2012 at 3:28 PM

Man am I tired of the stupidity of this “vote present” and “let it burn” BS. House GOP have an easy way forward – pass a bill that has tax hikes for “millionaires and billionaires” but based on spending cut benchmarks. For example, restore the pre-Bush tax rates on incomes over $1M but *only if* spending decreases at least $200B year-on-year. Then memorize a few talking points:

- We’ve passed a bill. When the Democrat Senate passes a bill we’ll hash it out in conference as is traditional. Why can’t the Dog Eater get his Dem controlled Senate to pass his bill?

- We picked $1M because we don’t want to raise taxes on the middle class and small business owners. Why do Dems hate them so?

- $200B is only 5% of federal spending, surely in these lean times the feds can tighten their belts that much. It’s far less than regular folks already have.

And otherwise, STFU about it and talk about Benghazi etc. instead.

edshepp on November 30, 2012 at 3:56 PM

And otherwise, STFU about it and talk about Benghazi etc. instead.

edshepp on November 30, 2012 at 3:56 PM

They won’t do that, or talk about it, or talk about Benghazi. Instead, they will cry, piss themselves, and cower in a corner.

besser tot als rot on November 30, 2012 at 4:06 PM

Whenever tax increases and spending cuts have been part of a budget deal, the tax increases always come but for some odd reason the spending cuts never do.
Why would Republicans think they would get them this time?

dverplank on November 30, 2012 at 4:16 PM

The problem with defense cuts….is boom.

BOOM!

And it won’t come far enough away for 0bama to obscure evidence as he has for Benghazi.

Sekhmet on November 30, 2012 at 4:23 PM

You can understand why some people think the best way out is to vote “present” and let Obama get everything he wants — and then own the consequences. And it may still come down to that.

It already *has* come to that, Ed. The question is whether pundits and pols will figure that out in time.

GWB on November 30, 2012 at 4:26 PM

The democrats have institutionalized theft, and a moral person should have no business in assisting or being involved in such a morally reprehensible position especially if that involvement is a lose-lose situation for them in this zero sum game we call DC. With the cards stacked against them, voting present and letting Obama and the Democrats own the results, they will set themselves up to not only gain in the House, but take the Senate in the mid-terms. And if they threaten to do so, even going to far as to sign a pledge, you can be some Democrats will be tap dancing faster than bare-footed Michael Flatley on a hot bed of coals and suddenly find Jesus and walk back from the insanity that is Barack Obama.

This is the way to win this game. Quit playing it. Two years of pain, many years of gain.

gmerits on November 30, 2012 at 5:10 PM

They need to walk away and give the Socialist pig and every moron who voted for him what they want.We will be blamed but will also be the ones who pick up the pieces to restore America.Unfortunately the craven GOP will go along and be blamed when it falls apart,and it will,just as badly as the Dems will.

redware on November 30, 2012 at 6:08 PM

You vote your beliefs. That’s what you were elected for. If some squishes in the House allow bad bills to pass then so be it. If we have gridlock and everything goes to heck, then so be it. Gridlock is good. The Bush tax cuts expire, so what. Voting present only shows that you are a politician with no spine.

Vince on November 30, 2012 at 1:27 PM

True. Everyone knows the GOP doesn’t want the tax cuts to expire. They’ll of course blame us for being obstructionist, but at least we’re consistent. And the fact that it is such a given that the GOP will be blamed might help the meme to die quickly anyway. We push back, it’s all we can do.

Also, we are capable of changing the narrative if we try. Papers are on their way out. There’s an untapped potential in the dextrosphere if only DC republicans would listen to/engage us. Maybe they’ve learned from this election that old campaign tactics don’t work as well anymore and are ready to give us a chance. We are a great message distribution machine. They just have to learn how to talk online.

alwaysfiredup on November 30, 2012 at 7:02 PM

Democrats control the presidency, the senate, and the mainstream media and half of the Republicans.

Fixed that for you.

Alabama Infidel on November 30, 2012 at 7:15 PM

The GOP will receive blame because they deserve blame. They are the ones that got themselves into this idiotic situation. All they’ve done is fund Obama’s massive spending. And you expect them to hold to principle now?

The GOP will betray you

True_King on November 30, 2012 at 7:39 PM

All this panic is premature.

OK, the D’s have the sympathetic press, but they had that before the election, nothing new about that.

And the Senate — that ain’t worth much. The House can be controlled, the Senate can’t. Reid has to work some with Senate R’s; House R’s can generally ignore House D’s.

The President has to play a passive role legislatively until Congress sends something — he can try to frame the public debate and wield his veto pen but he can’t legislate. And he has NO positive experience getting bipartisan legislation through. He rammed through the 2009 stimulus law and the 2010 health care law with D majorities, and managed to lose the PR debate even on those.

There’s no reason House R’s should be rolling over. Anything that moves has to move through conference and there face the House R position.

Chuckles3 on November 30, 2012 at 7:57 PM

so screwed indeed. Obama doesn’t have to agree to anything and the government doesn’t shut down, and the public blames the Republicans for not redistributing wealth to the 47% with the Bush/Kennedy tax cuts. So much for equal opportunity favorable tax rates for everyone.

mdetlh on November 30, 2012 at 8:17 PM

Republicans are nicer, more mature, cleaner, employed or employable, patient, play by the rules, tend not to get upset when they lose, respect life, limb and property and aren’t schmucks. Are we screwed? Nah, just waiting for the others to eff it up…and they will…and we’ll know who did it.

LizardLips on November 30, 2012 at 9:40 PM

The GOP will betray you

True_King on November 30, 2012 at 7:39 PM

You have all the answers./

You’re useless.

CW on November 30, 2012 at 11:18 PM

so screwed indeed. Obama doesn’t have to agree to anything and the government doesn’t shut down, and the public blames the Republicans for not redistributing wealth to the 47%

mdetlh on November 30, 2012 at 8:17 PM

.
We are o screwed because………
Democrites are irresponsible in nature, They will own NOTHING.

Republicans WILL BE BLAMED FROR ANY AND ALL ILLS – Regardless of any deal outcome

Wise up- and let’s go cliff diving.

FlaMurph on December 1, 2012 at 8:10 AM

The reckoning will come whether we want it to or not. There is no such thing as a free lunch and if the American people, Barack Obama and the Pelosi/Reid crowd insist on defying reality they will suffer. Obama will not be on the ballot again and anybody who thinks the American people will put Clinton or Biden in to fix it is delusional. How is Clinton going to argue that taxes at rates that were in effect during her husband’s term are at fault? How is Biden going to argue that after eight years of his team’s policies he should be in charge? We are in a world of hurt, but trying to fix it by agreeing with the other side is not going to fix it. Politicians can’t or won’t do what is necessary, only reality will.

txmomof6 on December 1, 2012 at 8:48 AM

The REPUBLIC is so screwed, not just a political wing.

Nathan_OH on December 1, 2012 at 9:19 AM

The REPUBLIC is so screwed, not just a political wing.

Nathan_OH on December 1, 2012 at 9:19 AM

I agree.. :(

Dire Straits on December 1, 2012 at 9:39 AM

I’m useless.

CW on November 30, 2012 at 11:18 PM

Fixed.

Tell me again oh great genius, how much of the liberal agenda has the Rebumblican party managed to repeal? NONE AT ALL, you say? Oh dear…

MelonCollie on December 3, 2012 at 10:46 AM

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