Smoking ANYTHING is harmful, this should be obvious to anyone but a hardcore liberal.

MelonCollie on November 28, 2012 at 9:04 PM

One of the first things you hear out of the mouthes of leftist defenders of POT regarding how harmful it is….

(in best liberal voice) “What? No way…man….POT cures Asthma!”

I tell him that POT basically cures every single disease/ailment that there is cause once you smoke it you are so completely out of it you never even know you have the disease/ailment….

But that doesn’t mean you don’t.

It’s like bumping your head….but then someone pinches your arm…..Your mind focuses on the ARM pain forgetting about the HEAD pain…. But eventually you realize your head hurts…cause you still did in fact bump it.

You are still in fact Asthmatic….But you forget about your trouble breathing cause your mind is in DAZE.

The truth is it never impaired my driving, in fact I believe it made me a more cautious driver. You don’t have to believe me but I’m telling you it’s the truth.

steel guy on November 28, 2012 at 7:12 PM

Same here with Vodka. It actually made me a better driver. I’m telling you it’s the truth. /

sharrukin on November 28, 2012 at 8:45 PM

Same here when I put on a Blindfold, tie my hands behind my back, and lean my head out the window… I become a much better driver!

I just don’t need anyone telling me what to do, as long as I’m not hurting anyone. I’m old enough to make my own choices, and the government ought not infringe on my liberties.

Also, home brewed wine and beer are just as good as anything you can buy in a store if you know what you are doing and homegrown pot is not as easy as you think

steel guy on November 28, 2012 at 7:02 PM

How in the heck are you not hurting someone each and every time you smoke POT????!!!!?????

Unless you are a complete and total recluse, single, make ZERO contact with any human being beyond typing on your keyboard in a forum such as this.

The reality is we have a substance that changes people’s behavior when smoked…..far more severe than simply smoking cigs or cigars.

It is much like drinking Alcoholic beverages….Yes…Alcoholic beverages are legalized…..kinda….But they are BANNED when it comes to driving a vehicle while under the influence of alcohol.

I never see any language for the POT legalization proposals regarding operating machinery, or driving a car…or etc. after smoking POT.

I’ve seen plenty of people smoke POT and afterwards they are DAZED, in a FOG, slurring their words…..Eerily similar to an out and out drunk stumbling around.

Not sure what a SON or DAUGHTER thinks of his/her father or mother smoking POT…. Pretty sure it destroys families.

The truth is it never impaired my driving, in fact I believe it made me a more cautious driver. You don’t have to believe me but I’m telling you it’s the truth.

steel guy on November 28, 2012 at 7:12 PM

Same here with Vodka. It actually made me a better driver. I’m telling you it’s the truth. /

I’m not proud to admit it but back throughout my 20s (I’m in my 50s now) I would light up every morning on my way to work. It seems rather foolish as I think back on those days but it’s true, thousands of times. The truth is it never impaired my driving, in fact I believe it made me a more cautious driver. You don’t have to believe me but I’m telling you it’s the truth.

steel guy on November 28, 2012 at 7:12 PM

The truth is, you believe it never impaired your driving because those under the influence don’t think it impairs them. Alcohol or drugs, that’s why they do it.

I just don’t need anyone telling me what to do, as long as I’m not hurting anyone. I’m old enough to make my own choices, and the government ought not infringe on my liberties.

The victimless crime. If only there were such a thing. There will always be people who argue they can work, drive, be a student, and do everything on drugs just as well as someone else who isn’t on drugs. Given the choice, an employer, a teacher, and other drivers will pick the drug free person every time. They just aren’t given the choice.

There is no island where drug addicts live where they only harm themselves.

Libertarians are not anarchists we believe in laws like anyone else. Personal liberty is important even if you happen to disagree with how another choses to exercise it.

steel guy on November 28, 2012 at 7:20 PM

I realize that.
My only point was in sharing an observation that seemed to have a blind spot in your stated belief system.
For your position to be consistent, not only would you turn a blind eye to someone practicing the mentioned behaviors..kicking the dog, etc, but you would have to come to the defense of the person if someone else tried to alter that persons choice to kick the dog.
Would you?

Mimzey on November 28, 2012 at 7:10 PM

Libertarians are not anarchists we believe in laws like anyone else. Personal liberty is important even if you happen to disagree with how another choses to exercise it.

Give me a break. I don’t care if you want to smoke MJ. Just don’t drive until you are no longer under the influence of the drug. The person you kill just might be yourself.

SC.Charlie on November 28, 2012 at 6:39 PM

I’m not proud to admit it but back throughout my 20s (I’m in my 50s now) I would light up every morning on my way to work. It seems rather foolish as I think back on those days but it’s true, thousands of times. The truth is it never impaired my driving, in fact I believe it made me a more cautious driver. You don’t have to believe me but I’m telling you it’s the truth.

Also, home brewed wine and beer are just as good as anything you can buy in a store if you know what you are doing and homegrown pot is not as easy as you think

steel guy on November 28, 2012 at 7:02 PM

Kicking the dog for fun..cooking meth in the kitchen and defrauding an insurance company is also none of anyone business. So I take it you wouldn’t stick your nose into the business of those who do those things?

I’ve had much home brewed beer and wine. Wouldn’t buy it when a good IPA is available at a reasonable price.
Growing pot would be like being able to product the best single malt scotch and sell it for a premium price every 6 months. And it would sell.

I know exactly how hard it is to grow quality pot…not very. It is all genetics..good soil, air exchange and light exposure.

And how many of those who die from alcohol poisoning were also smoking pot (an anti-nausea aid)? Overiding the body’s natural defense of vomiting out excessive alcohol. – Mitoch55 on November 28, 2012 at 6:51 PM

Conclusion, all drugs are dangerous. Common sense is a necessity when using any drug.

If you want to attempt to kill yourself go get a bottle of aspirin and take the whole bottle. It is a horrible way to die, if you die. And, if you don’t die your liver and kidneys will be forever damaged.

You can always get a feel good doctor who will prescribe you legal drugs that will accomplish the same damn thing.

I take Lipitor and my doctor just loves to monitor my liver function, which always comes back fine.

People who use MJ are not really bad drivers, less dangerous than say a tired driver or someone on a cell phone. The myth of the high on pot danger on the highway drivers is just not true. – steel guy on November 28, 2012 at 6:27 PM

What are you basing that claim on?

The “danger” exposure of a person on a cell phone is limited by the length of the call..A “danger” exposure of a person high on pot extends for the duration of the drive.
How about a person on a cell phone who is also stoned.
How about a tired person who is also high?

But you think it’s no ones business to do those things right? Simply because you think they are harmful doesn’t really apply when using your own value system.

The comparison to brewing beer or wine is self limiting. Few people would buy home brewed alcohol.
The highest quality pot can be grown by a doofus with the right seeds and a bedroom.

Mimzey on November 28, 2012 at 6:38 PM

I just don’t need anyone telling me what to do, as long as I’m not hurting anyone. I’m old enough to make my own choices, and the government ought not infringe on my liberties.

Also, home brewed wine and beer are just as good as anything you can buy in a store if you know what you are doing and homegrown pot is not as easy as you think

A vile substance being taxed out of exsistance… to be replaced by one with no regulations or as much testing.. classic.

No, I mean from just smoking too much pot. You can certainly die from the ingestion of too much alcohol at one time, its called alcohol-poisoning.

SC.Charlie on November 28, 2012 at 5:46 PM

And how many of those who die from alcohol poisoning were also smoking pot (an anti-nausea aid)? Overiding the body’s natural defense of vomiting out excessive alcohol.

Look, here is the truth of the matter, I know you won’t believe me but I’ll say it anyway. People who use MJ are not really bad drivers, less dangerous than say a tired driver or someone on a cell phone. The myth of the high on pot danger on the highway drivers is just not true. – steel guy on November 28, 2012 at 6:27 PM

Give me a break. I don’t care if you want to smoke MJ. Just don’t drive until you are no longer under the influence of the drug. The person you kill just might be yourself.

No I don’t believe that hurt animals is OK. I think that cooking meth is dangerous and could hurt someone. I believe that voter fraud hurts everyone. I thing that growing pot ought to be just the same as growing tobacco or brewing beer or wine.

steel guy on November 28, 2012 at 6:33 PM

But you think it’s no ones business to do those things right? Simply because you think they are harmful doesn’t really apply when using your own value system.

The comparison to brewing beer or wine is self limiting. Few people would buy home brewed alcohol.
The highest quality pot can be grown by a doofus with the right seeds and a bedroom.

A person can easily gauge the level of intoxication with alcohol..it can take hours and many sips off a glass of wine or beer before one arrives at the decision to slow down, and then…slow down. The effects of high potency pot can overtake one in a minute with as little as one toke.
Thats a drastic effect on the mind. – Mimzey on November 28, 2012 at 6:21 PM

I suspect that you are correct. Its been about forty years since I have taken a toke. And, at the time I was in college and already drunk. I only used it a couple of times.

So you have no problem with your neighbor cooking meth in the kitchen?
Kicking their dog for fun?
Getting on the disability dole so they don’t have to work?
Voting 2 or 3 times? Who does that “hurt”?
Insurance fraud..why not?
How about growing pot and selling it for cash?
Aw hell…sell any drug. Why not?

Mimzey on November 28, 2012 at 6:26 PM

No I don’t believe that hurt animals is OK. I think that cooking meth is dangerous and could hurt someone. I believe that voter fraud hurts everyone. I thing that growing pot ought to be just the same as growing tobacco or brewing beer or wine.

I am 61 and see idiots, young and old, in heavy traffic with cell phones crammed in their damn ears. I come from the another age. When you are on the road pay attention to road and all cars around you. Thankfully, I’ve never had a wreck …………. yet.

SC.Charlie on November 28, 2012 at 6:22 PM

I’m of the same vintage as you..about 6 weeks from another click.

I don’t want to deal with impaired drivers either. My point is simply that pot smokers have a special right in more ways than one. Not only is there no way to “on the spot” test for the presence of the drug, there are no standards for what the amount of active ingredient would even be to prove impairment.

Mimzey on November 28, 2012 at 6:17 PM

Look, here is the truth of the matter, I know you won’t believe me but I’ll say it anyway. People who use MJ are not really bad drivers, less dangerous than say a tired driver or someone on a cell phone. The myth of the high on pot danger on the highway drivers is just not true.

No, I’m a proud libertarian. As long as you aren’t hurting anyone you can do as you please.

steel guy on November 28, 2012 at 6:18 PM

So you have no problem with your neighbor cooking meth in the kitchen?
Kicking their dog for fun?
Getting on the disability dole so they don’t have to work?
Voting 2 or 3 times? Who does that “hurt”?
Insurance fraud..why not?
How about growing pot and selling it for cash?
Aw hell…sell any drug. Why not?

How did death become the measure?
It might be hard to “death” overdose on LSD and similar drugs, but who wants those people driving a truck or operating on your gizzard? – Mimzey on November 28, 2012 at 6:06 PM

I don’t want anyone driving under the influence of any drug to the extent that it impairs their driving ability, period. I am 61 and see idiots, young and old, in heavy traffic with cell phones crammed in their damn ears. I come from the another age. When you are on the road pay attention to road and all cars around you. Thankfully, I’ve never had a wreck …………. yet.

It is nearly impossible to die from an overdose of cannabis. Google it and look it up. From what I have read it would take an enormous amount to do the job. Alcohol also has drastic effects on the mind. I suppose it would be just best to avoid both.

SC.Charlie on November 28, 2012 at 6:16 PM

My point was that overdose does not equal death in order to be a bad result of the use of a substance.

If you want to talk about ‘drastic’ effect on the mind..an argument could be made that it is exactly the opposite.
A person can easily gauge the level of intoxication with alcohol..it can take hours and many sips off a glass of wine or beer before one arrives at the decision to slow down, and then…slow down.
The effects of high potency pot can overtake one in a minute with as little as one toke.
Thats a drastic effect on the mind.

And most likely, so do you.

Mimzey on November 28, 2012 at 6:07 PM

No, I’m a proud libertarian. As long as you aren’t hurting anyone you can do as you please.

One can refuse to blow in a tube, that is why here in my part of Texas the laws empower a judge to issue a warrant for a blood sample immediately. You can cool your heals while the lab work is being done.

brtex on November 28, 2012 at 6:07 PM

That is still a benefit to the pot smoker.
Even if and when you run into an stubborn person impaired on alcohol, that has already failed the physical portion of the sobriety test, they are most likely a minority of the people.
A pot smoker would required ALL situations to get a judge to issue a warrant..get a doctor to draw blood and lab test it. All have a dollar amount and effort in police manpower and paperwork.

Until there is a field test to test for amounts of active ingredients of pot, the special right of cannabis users benefits them against the similarly impaired alcohol user.

Yes..and hospitals have to deal with people who overdose on cannibals also.

Overdose does not have to = death to be a bad thing. – Mimzey on November 28, 2012 at 6:02 PM

It is nearly impossible to die from an overdose of cannabis. Google it and look it up. From what I have read it would take an enormous amount to do the job. Alcohol also has drastic effects on the mind. I suppose it would be just best to avoid both.

Field sobriety test are performed during traffic stops on a regular basis. When the driver is found to be physically impaired in my area the LEO gets a warrant and has blood drawn immediately. A test for drugs in the system is as easy to test as alcohol at that point brtex on November 28, 2012 at 5:33 PM

One can refuse to blow in a tube, that is why here in my part of Texas the laws empower a judge to issue a warrant for a blood sample immediately. You can cool your heals while the lab work is being done.

I am not suggesting that it is ok to enter into an activity that may harm other people if you are physically impaired or be allowed to work while physically impaired. That is a no-brainer.

Everybody just loves telling everyone else how they ought to be living there lives.

steel guy on November 28, 2012 at 5:40 PM

And most likely, so do you.

No, I mean from just smoking too much pot. You can certainly die from the ingestion of too much alcohol at one time, its called alcohol-poisoning.

SC.Charlie on November 28, 2012 at 5:46 PM

How did death become the measure?
It might be hard to “death” overdose on LSD and similar drugs, but who wants those people driving a truck or operating on your gizzard?

cannibals

Cannabis*

Damn spellcheck.

Very funny to a serious question. Have you every heard of alcohol poisoning?

SC.Charlie on November 28, 2012 at 5:55 PM

Yes..and hospitals have to deal with people who overdose on cannibals also.

Overdose does not have to = death to be a bad thing.

So how is this any different than many perscription pill abusers out there who are far more dangerous behind the wheel than pot smokers in my opinion.

steel guy on November 28, 2012 at 5:54 PM

The potential abuse is the same..one of the differences is that the prescription drugs have a valid use in treating physical conditions…but they are being abused. Becoming impaired is the sole reason to get high on pot. Another difference is that legal prescription drugs are still illegal without a prescription. Even the possession of these legal drugs is illegal without a prescription.

You know no one’s ever died from cyanide, they died of respiratory failure.
No one’s ever dies from ecstasy they died of dehydration.
No one ever dies from huffing glue they die from anoxia.
No one ever dies from smoking they die from lung cancer.

LincolntheHun on November 28, 2012 at 5:34 PM

Very funny to a serious question. Have you every heard of alcohol poisoning?

I agree. I’ve seen a lot of folks really mess up their health and lives abusing alcohol. I’ve known quite a few potheads but none that destroyed their health. Thats not to say it is harmless but there is really no comparison to booze.

steel guy on November 28, 2012 at 5:47 PM

That too may be a statistical quirk. The number of people who drink vs the number of people who smoke and the odd of negative consequences. Also, how is one to know the people are exclusive users of the two substances? Maybe pot reacts with alcohol in a bad way..maybe alcohol limits pot use, etc.
Nothing is that clear cut as to be able to draw conclusions from observations of people one knows little about.

Mimzey on November 28, 2012 at 5:47 PM

So how is this any different than many perscription pill abusers out there who are far more dangerous behind the wheel than pot smokers in my opinion.