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Video: Is marijuana harmless?

posted at 1:46 pm on November 28, 2012 by

People seem to be warming to the idea that the federal government should get out of marijuana prohibition — and there are good federalism arguments to make, Steven Crowder says in his latest video. However, it’s a mistake to say that marijuana is entirely harmless, either. Steven uses humor to make a serious argument about whether some legalization arguments are misguided:

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That said, what statistics are you basing those claims on…care to share?

Mimzey on November 28, 2012 at 4:08 PM

Um, the guns involved in the “Fast & Furious” scheme were going to … Mexican deer hunters? The hundreds of millions we send to Colombia are for … urban renewal? The murder rates in the minority areas of large American cities are due to young men fighting over … Twinkies?

How’s the light under that rock? Obviously, the ventilation ain’t so great.

M240H on November 28, 2012 at 4:17 PM

Trying to compare tobacco smoke to marijuana smoke is pretty stupid, actually.

if you say so, Einstein.

Nobody I know smokes them in the same quantities. I don’t think even Bob Marley would go through 50 joints a day, yet when I smoked, I’d regularly pound down two-and-a-half packs of Marlboros. I’d imagine that does far more health damage than splitting a doobie with a couple of friends.

notropis on November 28, 2012 at 4:05 PM

It’s not a matter of quantity, genius, as pot smoke is far harsher and more destructive than cigarette smoke. Further, you just don’t seem to know any real potheads, who smoke all through the day. Hacking among cigarette smokers is nothing compared to the hacking among pot smokers.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on November 28, 2012 at 4:20 PM

It’s not a matter of quantity, genius, as pot smoke is far harsher and more destructive than cigarette smoke. Further, you just don’t seem to know any real potheads, who smoke all through the day. Hacking among cigarette smokers is nothing compared to the hacking among pot smokers.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on November 28, 2012 at 4:20 PM

You will have to forgive me being one of them who never smoked anything. From my experiences most people some filtered cigarettes. Would a filter on a joint be effective to limit the more damaging smoke or would it filter out the “good” stuff?

Frank Enstine on November 28, 2012 at 4:35 PM

Um, the guns involved in the “Fast & Furious” scheme were going to … Mexican deer hunters? The hundreds of millions we send to Colombia are for … urban renewal? The murder rates in the minority areas of large American cities are due to young men fighting over … Twinkies?

How’s the light under that rock? Obviously, the ventilation ain’t so great.

M240H on November 28, 2012 at 4:17 PM

Nice non answer.

Pot profits make up a small percentage of the cartels profit. The last estimate I say was under 20%.

The money sent to South American countries are for many things..I don’t thing pot eradication is high up on the list. Domestic production has taken over a large part of the market. It doesn’t have to be smuggled….yet the price has gone up. Why is that?

Do you really think that the gang violence in urban areas is over pot?

But anyway, the original question had to do with your claim of the amount of people killed in wars and such being smaller than people killed over pot.
How did you get to that conclusion?

Mimzey on November 28, 2012 at 4:45 PM

So what does Mr. Crowder think of Glenn Greenwald’s (not a fan) paper for the Cato Institute detailing the success Portugal has had with complete decriminalization? Their rates of recreational drug use are fractions of what ours are.

M240H on November 28, 2012 at 4:05 PM

Don’t believe everything that you hear. Read these. Portugal has been a dysmal failure.

http://www.dpmp.unsw.edu.au/DPMPWeb.nsf/resources/Presentations+2/$file/HUGHES.pdf

http://www.drugfree.org.au/fileadmin/library/Policies__Legislation_and_law/ThePortugueseDrugFallacyReport.pdf

StevenCrowder on November 28, 2012 at 4:52 PM

*dismal

StevenCrowder on November 28, 2012 at 4:53 PM

If marijuana use is as ubiquitous as claimed we shouldn’t notice much of a difference whether it is legal or illegal.

Knott Buyinit on November 28, 2012 at 5:01 PM

Interesting to read the duplictious post on this thread from supposedly free market/limited government/personal freedom types.

While driving impaired is and should be illegal since you endanger others with your activity, what you do to yourself or another consenting adult in the privacy of your personal abode should be no business of anyone else in a free society.

brtex on November 28, 2012 at 5:02 PM

So what happens to the culture/society where legalized pot is marketed by corporations like alcohol? Is anyone ready for superbowl pot ads?

And for the lefties… what will they do when walmart puts all the mom and pop growers out of business?

rw on November 28, 2012 at 5:02 PM

rw on November 28, 2012 at 5:02 PM

Have cheaper pot grown in China???

brtex on November 28, 2012 at 5:04 PM

StevenCrowder on November 28, 2012 at 4:52 PM

Thank you for the response and links. I’ll look them over carefully; Glenn Greenwald has consistently demonstrated that his agenda trumps his scholarship.

M240H on November 28, 2012 at 5:06 PM

pot smoke is far harsher and more destructive than cigarette smoke. Further, you just don’t seem to know any real potheads, who smoke all through the day. Hacking among cigarette smokers is nothing compared to the hacking among pot smokers

Cigarettes smoke contains numerous chemicals that have been added to make the tobacco burn more slowly and evenly. Pot smoke contains none of these chemicals, so your contention may not be valid. Smoked correctly, pot should not cause you to hack that much. Personally, I smoked pot all day every day in college, and I now hold a PhD. So, pot doesn’t make you a slug. I never drank in college and still drink only an occasional glass of wine, but the people I knew who were the biggest slugs were the ones who drank a lot, not the ones who only smoked pot.

College Prof on November 28, 2012 at 5:08 PM

Mimzey on November 28, 2012 at 4:45 PM

I may not have been clear- I’m talking about decriminalizing possession of all recreational drugs. My opinion is that the “War on Drugs” has not lessened the availabllity, but has only raised the cost- in related crime, in lives, in health of addicts and their dependants, in tax dollars.

M240H on November 28, 2012 at 5:12 PM

Thank you for the response and links. I’ll look them over carefully; Glenn Greenwald has consistently demonstrated that his agenda trumps his scholarship.

M240H on November 28, 2012 at 5:06 PM

No problem. As Ed pointed out, I’m mostly in the camp of states rights, even on this issue.

I think that the truth is more important though, and there’s just too much misinformation out there regarding Marijuana and it’s effects.

StevenCrowder on November 28, 2012 at 5:13 PM

While driving impaired is and should be illegal since you endanger others with your activity, what you do to yourself or another consenting adult in the privacy of your personal abode should be no business of anyone else in a free society.

brtex on November 28, 2012 at 5:02 PM

Legal pot sets up a group of people with special rights.
You cannot field test for prohibitive concentrations od the active ingredient.
There is no need to go beyond this fact. It violates equal protection under the law.

The “privacy of your own home..nobody’s dirty business etc. is a strawman.

Mimzey on November 28, 2012 at 5:14 PM

Has anyone ever died from an overdose of pot? Certainly there are some dangers to it’s usage, but I think that the use of alcohol has far greater health consequences.

SC.Charlie on November 28, 2012 at 5:27 PM

StevenCrowder on November 28, 2012 at 4:52 PM

Why are you harshing the mellow with facts and rational thought?
Next you’ll be asking questions like “Who will pay for the emphysema and other lung problems that will come from dope smokers?” or “where has drug use ever decreased when legalized?” or “If we can’t keep minors from drinking alcohol how are going to prevent them from smoking dope?”

LincolntheHun on November 28, 2012 at 5:28 PM

Has anyone ever died from an overdose of pot? Certainly there are some dangers to it’s usage, but I think that the use of alcohol has far greater health consequences.

SC.Charlie on November 28, 2012 at 5:27 PM

Has one drink of alcohol ever induced early mental disorder as sometimes happens with one joint? See I can do it too.

Nobody is saying that alcohol is completely harmless. Many people are saying that MJ is.

StevenCrowder on November 28, 2012 at 5:28 PM

All the potheads I know are useless, sorry it is NOT harmless.

gdonovan on November 28, 2012 at 5:28 PM

Mimzey on November 28, 2012 at 5:14 PM

Your first statement is the true strawman.

Field sobriety test are performed during traffic stops on a regular basis. When the driver is found to be physically impaired in my area the LEO gets a warrant and has blood drawn immediately. A test for drugs in the system is as easy to test as alcohol at that point.

I find your assertion of my point regarding personal freedom to be a strawman offensive, racist and sexist. Well, maybe not racist or sexist but definitely offensive and hypocritical.

brtex on November 28, 2012 at 5:33 PM

SC.Charlie on November 28, 2012 at 5:27 PM

You know no one’s ever died from cyanide, they died of respiratory failure.
No one’s ever dies from ecstasy they died of dehydration.
No one ever dies from huffing glue they die from anoxia.
No one ever dies from smoking they die from lung cancer.

LincolntheHun on November 28, 2012 at 5:34 PM

Personally, I smoked pot all day every day in college, and I now hold a PhD. So, pot doesn’t make you a slug. I never drank in college and still drink only an occasional glass of wine, but the people I knew who were the biggest slugs were the ones who drank a lot, not the ones who only smoked pot.

College Prof on November 28, 2012 at 5:08 PM

What is your PhD in? What were the biggest slugs doing? You mean students?
Just curious.

Your observations of slug vs. non slug may have been skewed by the numbers of people involved. most college “partiers” I’ve known drank and smoked.

Mimzey on November 28, 2012 at 5:34 PM

Has anyone ever died from an overdose of pot? Certainly there are some dangers to it’s usage, but I think that the use of alcohol has far greater health consequences.

SC.Charlie on November 28, 2012 at 5:27 PM

You mean in an accident, traffic or otherwise? Most likely so.

Mimzey on November 28, 2012 at 5:39 PM

Everybody just loves telling everyone else how they ought to be living there lives.

steel guy on November 28, 2012 at 5:40 PM

Everybody just loves telling everyone else how they ought to be living there lives.

steel guy on November 28, 2012 at 5:40 PM

This!

brtex on November 28, 2012 at 5:45 PM

Has anyone ever died from an overdose of pot? Certainly there are some dangers to it’s usage, but I think that the use of alcohol has far greater health consequences. – SC.Charlie on November 28, 2012 at 5:27 PM

You mean in an accident, traffic or otherwise? Most likely so. – Mimzey on November 28, 2012 at 5:39 PM

No, I mean from just smoking too much pot. You can certainly die from the ingestion of too much alcohol at one time, its called alcohol-poisoning.

SC.Charlie on November 28, 2012 at 5:46 PM

Has anyone ever died from an overdose of pot? Certainly there are some dangers to it’s usage, but I think that the use of alcohol has far greater health consequences.

SC.Charlie on November 28, 2012 at 5:27 PM

I agree. I’ve seen a lot of folks really mess up their health and lives abusing alcohol. I’ve known quite a few potheads but none that destroyed their health. Thats not to say it is harmless but there is really no comparison to booze.

steel guy on November 28, 2012 at 5:47 PM

Your first statement is the true strawman.

Field sobriety test are performed during traffic stops on a regular basis. When the driver is found to be physically impaired in my area the LEO gets a warrant and has blood drawn immediately. A test for drugs in the system is as easy to test as alcohol at that point.

I find your assertion of my point regarding personal freedom to be a strawman offensive, racist and sexist. Well, maybe not racist or sexist but definitely offensive and hypocritical.

brtex on November 28, 2012 at 5:33 PM

Actually, it isn’t.
Once a person fails the physical part of a sobriety test there is no way to attribute it to pot without determining that exact substance to be causing the impairment. You can only do this with a blood test, which needs a warrant…and a doctor…and a lab.
With alcohol you simply blow in the tube with an instant readout of the results.
Pot smokers would be free of that possibility, giving them a special right of “legal” intoxication.

How is the claim that legal pot will have people only puffing at home ..presumably in front of the t.v. with popcorn or upstairs practicing your art?

The strawman was suggesting that is the case in most episodes of pot consumption, making it an easy argument for the innocence and “right” to do it.

Mimzey on November 28, 2012 at 5:47 PM

How is the claim that legal pot will have people only puffing at home ..presumably in front of the t.v. with popcorn or upstairs practicing your art?

….a strawman?

Mimzey on November 28, 2012 at 5:49 PM

Mimzey on November 28, 2012 at 5:47 PM

So how is this any different than many perscription pill abusers out there who are far more dangerous behind the wheel than pot smokers in my opinion.

steel guy on November 28, 2012 at 5:54 PM

I agree. I’ve seen a lot of folks really mess up their health and lives abusing alcohol. I’ve known quite a few potheads but none that destroyed their health. Thats not to say it is harmless but there is really no comparison to booze.

steel guy on November 28, 2012 at 5:47 PM

That too may be a statistical quirk. The number of people who drink vs the number of people who smoke and the odd of negative consequences. Also, how is one to know the people are exclusive users of the two substances? Maybe pot reacts with alcohol in a bad way..maybe alcohol limits pot use, etc.
Nothing is that clear cut as to be able to draw conclusions from observations of people one knows little about.

Mimzey on November 28, 2012 at 5:55 PM

You know no one’s ever died from cyanide, they died of respiratory failure.
No one’s ever dies from ecstasy they died of dehydration.
No one ever dies from huffing glue they die from anoxia.
No one ever dies from smoking they die from lung cancer.

LincolntheHun on November 28, 2012 at 5:34 PM

Very funny to a serious question. Have you every heard of alcohol poisoning?

SC.Charlie on November 28, 2012 at 5:55 PM

So how is this any different than many perscription pill abusers out there who are far more dangerous behind the wheel than pot smokers in my opinion.

steel guy on November 28, 2012 at 5:54 PM

The potential abuse is the same..one of the differences is that the prescription drugs have a valid use in treating physical conditions…but they are being abused. Becoming impaired is the sole reason to get high on pot. Another difference is that legal prescription drugs are still illegal without a prescription. Even the possession of these legal drugs is illegal without a prescription.

Mimzey on November 28, 2012 at 5:59 PM

Very funny to a serious question. Have you every heard of alcohol poisoning?

SC.Charlie on November 28, 2012 at 5:55 PM

Yes..and hospitals have to deal with people who overdose on cannibals also.

Overdose does not have to = death to be a bad thing.

Mimzey on November 28, 2012 at 6:02 PM

cannibals

Cannabis*

Damn spellcheck.

Mimzey on November 28, 2012 at 6:02 PM

No, I mean from just smoking too much pot. You can certainly die from the ingestion of too much alcohol at one time, its called alcohol-poisoning.

SC.Charlie on November 28, 2012 at 5:46 PM

How did death become the measure?
It might be hard to “death” overdose on LSD and similar drugs, but who wants those people driving a truck or operating on your gizzard?

Mimzey on November 28, 2012 at 6:06 PM

Everybody just loves telling everyone else how they ought to be living there lives.

steel guy on November 28, 2012 at 5:40 PM

And most likely, so do you.

Mimzey on November 28, 2012 at 6:07 PM

Field sobriety test are performed during traffic stops on a regular basis. When the driver is found to be physically impaired in my area the LEO gets a warrant and has blood drawn immediately. A test for drugs in the system is as easy to test as alcohol at that point brtex on November 28, 2012 at 5:33 PM

One can refuse to blow in a tube, that is why here in my part of Texas the laws empower a judge to issue a warrant for a blood sample immediately. You can cool your heals while the lab work is being done.

I am not suggesting that it is ok to enter into an activity that may harm other people if you are physically impaired or be allowed to work while physically impaired. That is a no-brainer.

brtex on November 28, 2012 at 6:07 PM

Yes..and hospitals have to deal with people who overdose on cannibals also.

Overdose does not have to = death to be a bad thing. – Mimzey on November 28, 2012 at 6:02 PM

It is nearly impossible to die from an overdose of cannabis. Google it and look it up. From what I have read it would take an enormous amount to do the job. Alcohol also has drastic effects on the mind. I suppose it would be just best to avoid both.

SC.Charlie on November 28, 2012 at 6:16 PM

One can refuse to blow in a tube, that is why here in my part of Texas the laws empower a judge to issue a warrant for a blood sample immediately. You can cool your heals while the lab work is being done.

brtex on November 28, 2012 at 6:07 PM

That is still a benefit to the pot smoker.
Even if and when you run into an stubborn person impaired on alcohol, that has already failed the physical portion of the sobriety test, they are most likely a minority of the people.
A pot smoker would required ALL situations to get a judge to issue a warrant..get a doctor to draw blood and lab test it. All have a dollar amount and effort in police manpower and paperwork.

Until there is a field test to test for amounts of active ingredients of pot, the special right of cannabis users benefits them against the similarly impaired alcohol user.

Mimzey on November 28, 2012 at 6:17 PM

And most likely, so do you.

Mimzey on November 28, 2012 at 6:07 PM

No, I’m a proud libertarian. As long as you aren’t hurting anyone you can do as you please.

steel guy on November 28, 2012 at 6:18 PM

The Joooos!

saus on November 28, 2012 at 6:20 PM

It is nearly impossible to die from an overdose of cannabis. Google it and look it up. From what I have read it would take an enormous amount to do the job. Alcohol also has drastic effects on the mind. I suppose it would be just best to avoid both.

SC.Charlie on November 28, 2012 at 6:16 PM

My point was that overdose does not equal death in order to be a bad result of the use of a substance.

If you want to talk about ‘drastic’ effect on the mind..an argument could be made that it is exactly the opposite.
A person can easily gauge the level of intoxication with alcohol..it can take hours and many sips off a glass of wine or beer before one arrives at the decision to slow down, and then…slow down.
The effects of high potency pot can overtake one in a minute with as little as one toke.
Thats a drastic effect on the mind.

Mimzey on November 28, 2012 at 6:21 PM

How did death become the measure?
It might be hard to “death” overdose on LSD and similar drugs, but who wants those people driving a truck or operating on your gizzard? – Mimzey on November 28, 2012 at 6:06 PM

I don’t want anyone driving under the influence of any drug to the extent that it impairs their driving ability, period. I am 61 and see idiots, young and old, in heavy traffic with cell phones crammed in their damn ears. I come from the another age. When you are on the road pay attention to road and all cars around you. Thankfully, I’ve never had a wreck …………. yet.

SC.Charlie on November 28, 2012 at 6:22 PM

No, I’m a proud libertarian. As long as you aren’t hurting anyone you can do as you please.

steel guy on November 28, 2012 at 6:18 PM

So you have no problem with your neighbor cooking meth in the kitchen?
Kicking their dog for fun?
Getting on the disability dole so they don’t have to work?
Voting 2 or 3 times? Who does that “hurt”?
Insurance fraud..why not?
How about growing pot and selling it for cash?
Aw hell…sell any drug. Why not?

Mimzey on November 28, 2012 at 6:26 PM

Mimzey on November 28, 2012 at 6:17 PM

Look, here is the truth of the matter, I know you won’t believe me but I’ll say it anyway. People who use MJ are not really bad drivers, less dangerous than say a tired driver or someone on a cell phone. The myth of the high on pot danger on the highway drivers is just not true.

steel guy on November 28, 2012 at 6:27 PM

I am 61 and see idiots, young and old, in heavy traffic with cell phones crammed in their damn ears. I come from the another age. When you are on the road pay attention to road and all cars around you. Thankfully, I’ve never had a wreck …………. yet.

SC.Charlie on November 28, 2012 at 6:22 PM

I’m of the same vintage as you..about 6 weeks from another click.

I don’t want to deal with impaired drivers either. My point is simply that pot smokers have a special right in more ways than one. Not only is there no way to “on the spot” test for the presence of the drug, there are no standards for what the amount of active ingredient would even be to prove impairment.

Mimzey on November 28, 2012 at 6:32 PM

So you have no problem with your neighbor cooking meth in the kitchen?
Kicking their dog for fun?
Getting on the disability dole so they don’t have to work?
Voting 2 or 3 times? Who does that “hurt”?
Insurance fraud..why not?
How about growing pot and selling it for cash?
Aw hell…sell any drug. Why not?

Mimzey on November 28, 2012 at 6:26 PM

No I don’t believe that hurt animals is OK. I think that cooking meth is dangerous and could hurt someone. I believe that voter fraud hurts everyone. I thing that growing pot ought to be just the same as growing tobacco or brewing beer or wine.

steel guy on November 28, 2012 at 6:33 PM

A person can easily gauge the level of intoxication with alcohol..it can take hours and many sips off a glass of wine or beer before one arrives at the decision to slow down, and then…slow down. The effects of high potency pot can overtake one in a minute with as little as one toke.
Thats a drastic effect on the mind. – Mimzey on November 28, 2012 at 6:21 PM

I suspect that you are correct. Its been about forty years since I have taken a toke. And, at the time I was in college and already drunk. I only used it a couple of times.

SC.Charlie on November 28, 2012 at 6:34 PM

No I don’t believe that hurt animals is OK. I think that cooking meth is dangerous and could hurt someone. I believe that voter fraud hurts everyone. I thing that growing pot ought to be just the same as growing tobacco or brewing beer or wine.

steel guy on November 28, 2012 at 6:33 PM

But you think it’s no ones business to do those things right? Simply because you think they are harmful doesn’t really apply when using your own value system.

The comparison to brewing beer or wine is self limiting. Few people would buy home brewed alcohol.
The highest quality pot can be grown by a doofus with the right seeds and a bedroom.

Mimzey on November 28, 2012 at 6:38 PM

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