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Bill Whittle: Why don’t Republicans commit to their own story?

posted at 10:18 am on November 25, 2012 by

I’m a few days late on this video, but as brilliant as Bill Whittle normally is, he’s even more so in this speech given at David Horowitz’ Restoration Weekend a week ago. If we can’t commit to our own message and defend it in the media, why would we expect voters to support it?

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and the growing viewpoint of the people of the nation as it is now, will only swing towards more liberalism.

lowandslow on November 25, 2012 at 4:48 PM

This is why a coalition with decentralization-minded liberals (like myself) could prove key to keeping the GOP alive nationally. Look to David Cameron’s coalition in England, which managed to co-opt the greenish lib-dems by throwing a few social bones and by getting them on board with giving more local control for social services, something any conservative would support.

As a liberal (practically dem-soc), I have zero problem with devolving the welfare state to the states. I’d feel badly for those residents who would suffer with sub-par schools and destitute retirements, but I have no problem with NY looking after its own and shifting the tax burden from federal to state taxes to cover it. This is where I feel there is room to make a place for the GOP in modern politics, which will have none of the xenophobia and bigotry of contemporary conservatism.

ernesto on November 25, 2012 at 4:57 PM

What difference does it make? Enough of this Reagan garbage, this is not the same nation as it was thirty years ago, not even close. Run the Reagan of thirty years ago and were still going to lose elections. Of course conservatism isn’t the problem but liberalism has still prevailed, and the growing viewpoint of the people of the nation as it is now, will only swing towards more liberalism.

lowandslow on November 25, 2012 at 4:48 PM

You sound like you’re willing to accept that now, if grudgingly. I’m not. I suggest that we all consider how to survive the collapse if indeed it is inevitable. I’m not ready to give up yet.

gryphon202 on November 25, 2012 at 4:57 PM

Isn’t that exactly what Reagan did, though? He embraced a compromising conservatism to win high office, and when he won it he promptly compromised all over the place. How is that not what the GOP has been doing to win this entire time? This is how Bush won. What the GOP has never done successfully is run some firebrand conservative who hates gays and immigrants and wants to bomb everyone.

ernesto on November 25, 2012 at 4:46 PM

There were certain areas on which Reagan compromise, sometimes to ill effect (immigration, tax hikes, Etc.). But nowhere did Reagan do anything that could have been construed, then or not, as selling out his party. He left no doubt that he believed in conservatism.

gryphon202 on November 25, 2012 at 5:00 PM

Romney won what argument? I don’t understand what you’re saying. He lostthe election. There’s no way to sugar coat that. He didn’t win shit when it came down to what was really important. If we’re going to engage in navel gazing for the next four years, we’d better at least come to the right conclusions. Otherwise, I honestly believe that the GOP doesn’t deserve to continue its existence as a political organism.

gryphon202 on November 25, 2012 at 10:54 AM

My order of importance FWIW:

1. Media
2. Conservatism
3. Voter fraud.

Until we deal with 1 and 3, 2 won’t matter.

IMHO, of course.

kim roy on November 25, 2012 at 5:01 PM

Valedictorian, 3.97 GPA in combined MBA and Law, gave his inheritance to his University to create a library in honor of his father, one wife, 5 productive kids, mission work, ministering to members of his faith, using his knowledge and industry to create a fortune for himself and those who invested in him, 7 years of public service without pay, untold acts of kindness, bountiful charitable giving, not one scandal.

And he wasn’t good enough? Nuts.

Basilsbest on November 25, 2012 at 3:10 PM

I don’t care if he was good enough for you or not. He lost to a guy who hasn’t made a single dime of honest money in his life, nor released a single page of his own college transcripts. And that’e leaving aside the arguably dubious circumstances of Obama’s birth and childhood. All that, and Romney still couldn’t seal the deal — and I took a nice long hot shower after pulling the lever for Romney, to boot.

To those who would accuse myself, Bill Whittle, and others of “wishcasting,” I would simply proffer this: Explain to me what you believe should be done differently to advance conservatism, or explain to me why you do not think anything should be done differently to advance conservatism.

gryphon202 on November 25, 2012 at 3:15 PM

Emphasis mine to respond to: And that doesn’t tell you something right there – that there’s something seriously sick and wrong with our society?

We can bicker about the hows and whys of the Romney loss and pick the nit to death about what we should do next time. However, none of it will change until we can do something about the sickness that has taken over our society. What to do? I don’t know. Perhaps some of us should start building arks.

These two posts juxtaposed together depresses the will out of me. I think I’ll go look at cat pictures. No, this isn’t a slam at either of these smart and thoughtful posters, just the realization that we may have reached a point of no return.

Later, fighters.

kim roy on November 25, 2012 at 5:11 PM

And for the record, the S.P. Link’s and people like myself are not defeatist or doomsayers or anything else. We just see the country for what it is. Liberalism has turned states into economic and fiscal disaster areas. It has turned major cities into something that now resemble crumbling third world cities, but the populations in those areas still reject conservatism and embrace statism. We still keep importing massive amounts of people into the country that have nothing cultural or politically in common with the nation of old. We will never be the same country again.
We’re just pointing out what should have been obvious before the last election. But as the election made clear, this nation isn’t even interested is slowing the tide of liberalism.

lowandslow on November 25, 2012 at 5:15 PM

@ S.P. Link on November 25, 2012 at 3:25 PM

I’ve read some of your comments in this thread and I can say with 100% confidence that you’re not a conservative. You sound like a liberal hack trying to diminish conservatism. Conservatism can win. Things are not getting better. Obama has lost 6 million voters or more. And as Whittle has said, with Republicans losing on the media front and the liberals accusing the Republican party of every nasty thing they can think of (and they can think of a lot just by looking at themselves), it’s still a 50/50 nation?

Conservatism will win. But it needs to be explained and lived in front of people’s eyes. I know with a fact that at least 50% of liberals are actually conservative but have not been told what true conservatism is because it cannot be described, but lived.

I had heard all the explanations. I had seen everything that conservatives were saying. But at the end of the day, I believed that conservatives were something like a cross between the Amish and rich businessmen. I talked to a few friends not long ago and they have an even weirder view of conservatism. They think it’s full on hatred and bigotry of everyone for selfish needs. That’s what they think individualism is about.

How do I know that there are liberals out there who are actually conservatives? Because I used to be one. And when they make movies, the heroes aren’t people who sit back and let government solve their problems. America loves a good comeback story and that is conservative to the core. Liberals won’t admit to it, but they gravitate towards it. It’s why the liberal elite must constantly denigrate and insult conservatism as “extreme”, “white”, “rich”, “bible thumping” and “out of touch”.

The country isn’t going more to the Left. They are going away from Bush. You have no idea how much people hate Bush. You go through 12 years of Obama and see if you feel like voting for that Party again. Obama is going to get 8 years. Trust me, he’s lost 6 million this time, they’ll lose more next election.

MrX on November 25, 2012 at 5:17 PM

I hope everyone on here follows this guy on Twitter, FB and Youtube. I hope you’ll do as I do and pass on everything he puts out there because it is usually 100% dead-on great analysis.

tdau1997 on November 25, 2012 at 5:20 PM

I will never again support a “moderate” GOP presidential nominee.

Norwegian on November 25, 2012 at 11:44 AM

My guess is that you’ll never again have the opportunity.

oldleprechaun on November 25, 2012 at 5:33 PM

Good luck selling the voting majority something they don’t want and have been trained to blame for all their problems.

S.P. Link on November 25, 2012 at 5:28 PM

Considering that the GOP doesn’t believe in what they’re selling, I don’t think your pessimism is entirely called-for.

gryphon202 on November 25, 2012 at 6:02 PM

What the GOP has never done successfully is run some firebrand conservative who hates gays and immigrants and wants to bomb everyone.

ernesto on November 25, 2012 at 4:46 PM

*sigh*
Typical liberal.

Millions of us oppose the homosexual agenda.
But almost no one outside Phelps’ little campsite hates homosexuals.

And we don’t hate immigrants.
Not even illegal immigrants.

Bomb everyone? You mean like Presidents Obama & Clinton have done?

Why are you so hateful?

itsnotaboutme on November 25, 2012 at 6:16 PM

Good luck selling the voting majority something they don’t want and have been trained to blame for all their problems.

S.P. Link on November 25, 2012 at 5:28 PM

That is RINOtastic! Good for you.

MrX on November 25, 2012 at 6:17 PM

I watched this yesterday. Mr. Whittle is a marvelous speaker.

Ladysmith CulchaVulcha on November 25, 2012 at 6:27 PM

I watched this yesterday. Mr. Whittle is a marvelous speaker.

Ladysmith CulchaVulcha on November 25, 2012 at 6:27 PM

But do you think there is any merit in the substance of his words?

gryphon202 on November 25, 2012 at 6:31 PM

I have a theory…it isn’t that the GOP is stuck on stupid, it’s that they’re just stuck. Even the GOP – for all its faults – realizes straight undiluted conservatism won’t sell to the growing class of people trained to be dependent in exchange for their votes. I suspect the GOP has known this for awhile but won’t dare say it out loud for obvious reasons. So they’re stuck with nowhere to go. Congressional republicans are the worst off, pissing off their own conservative base through inaction and compromise while being blamed by the media for everything that goes wrong or doesn’t happen.

They haven’t failed with “undiluted conservatism.” We haven’t run with “undiluted conservatism” since 1984. And yes, those are mocking quotes. I’m telling you, Mitt Romney lost because he peddled a line of bullshit he didn’t believe. For all his faults, you never have to wonder where Barack Obama stands — and Obama got the votes for it.

Of course, the only way to test this theory is if some here got their way: a candidate (several, actually) who will boldly go balls out, offensively, unapologetically but understandably for true, consistent conservatism in such a way that makes Reagan look moderate, because that’s what it’d take today.

If I believed that any particular candidate was a problem, or that any particular candidate could save us, I’d see merit in your assertion. In case I haven’t already made it clear, the problem as I see it is with the party — not any individual therein. Reagan’s choice of Bush 41 as a running mate was an olive branch to the wing of the GOP that hated Reagan with a burning passion. Somehow I don’t think that changed after 1988.

If nothing else, it would settle once and for all whether conservatism, preached correctly, will sway and convert the parasites among us. I wouldn’t bet a dime on that happening but I’m also very willing to be surprised.

Question is: Who is that person, and how could they possibly run unfettered by internal GOP opposition while gaining the face time needed which only the GOP’s money can buy them?

S.P. Link on November 25, 2012 at 7:10 PM

Let the party wither on the vine. No more donations. At all. On any level. The way to get rid of a systemic problem is with a systemic solution. True_King was right: The GOP has betrayed us. There’s no fixing it now.

gryphon202 on November 25, 2012 at 7:19 PM

You go, Bill!

onlineanalyst on November 25, 2012 at 7:41 PM

If anyone caught the namby-pamby McCain this morning, Whittle’s point is abundantly clear. The self-styled “maverick” in the Senate hasn’t a clue about what is important in the American vision and experience.

onlineanalyst on November 25, 2012 at 7:54 PM

Valedictorian, 3.97 GPA in combined MBA and Law, gave his inheritance to his University to create a library in honor of his father, one wife, 5 productive kids, mission work, ministering to members of his faith, using his knowledge and industry to create a fortune for himself and those who invested in him, 7 years of public service without pay, untold acts of kindness, bountiful charitable giving, not one scandal.

Is this an interview for a boyfriend, or a husband? That is what it sounds like.

Jimmy Carter was a neat guy too and had all sorts of great resume material. Veteran, self-made millionaire, good family man, helpful in his church, etc.

Carter was a terrible president.

The divorced guy who starred with Bonzo the chimp was a far superior president.

And he wasn’t good enough? Nuts.

Basilsbest on November 25, 2012 at 3:10 PM

The whole thing was about electing a president, and yet you never mentioned a single public issue.

sharrukin on November 25, 2012 at 8:01 PM

One of Glenn Beck’s earlier programs discussed the role that respect for private property relates to liberty and a citizen’s fundamental rights vis a vis government. The insidious rhetoric of Obysmal and the Left, which touts “economic justice” and the glories of collectivism trashes our individual rights to our persons and our property.

The rampant greed of literal looters (witness the theft in hurricane-ravaged communities, the wilding in malls) and the entitlement mentality of the takers (Obamaphones) are object lessons in the disregard for private property promulgated by our government “leaders.”

Whittle is correct that Romney should never be apologetic for his honestly earned wealth, where he gave value for service. What we should be irate about is the thieves who have picked our taxpaying pockets for failed boondoggles such as Solyndra, bank bailouts, UAW rewards, etc. and pretending that they have done so to “promote the general welfare.”

onlineanalyst on November 25, 2012 at 8:10 PM

Hey Bill Spittle, why don’t you write a story entitled “How to jump off a cliff” and commit to THAT?!?

MelonCollie on November 25, 2012 at 8:17 PM

..if you want to refashion this nation into a conservative one, start now with the parallel economy concept that Mr Whittle is describing and cede the rotting, antiquated vertical government to Obama and the libs and in about two decades (or two years) the whole rotting, antiquated government will collapse.

If you want to win elections then learn how to be better at cheating and giving other people’s money away.

That simple.

The War Planner on November 25, 2012 at 8:22 PM

You sound like a Relativist.
Objective to whom??? Seriously?? To no one. Reality is actually not subject to ideology. In fact the one overwhelming characteristic is that it doesn’t care one sh&t what someone thinks, or believes in. It is what it is.

Objective to the actual real world and the ways policies actually have panned out and pointing out the unintended consequences of past liberal failures..

Mimzey on November 25, 2012 at 2:58 PM

Your response to S. P. Link is correct.

Unfortunately (for us who understand objective reality), those who prefer to live in the deluded world that Obama followers embrace are relativists. They have no core to guide them. For them, perception is reality, and a narrative is truth. They are dupes of marketing who cannot distinguish between what is and what they wish it to be.

onlineanalyst on November 25, 2012 at 8:24 PM

Name me ONE OBJECTIVE THING you believe would sway the Free Obamaphone Lady to vote for a conservative.

Just one.

S.P. Link on November 25, 2012 at 3:15 PM

How about this: What government gives, government can take away… and there is nothing you can do about it.

onlineanalyst on November 25, 2012 at 8:31 PM

Unfortunately (for us who understand objective reality), those who prefer to live in the deluded world that Obama followers embrace are relativists. They have no core to guide them. For them, perception is reality, and a narrative is truth. They are dupes of marketing who cannot distinguish between what is and what they wish it to be.

onlineanalyst on November 25, 2012 at 8:24 PM

“Name me ONE OBJECTIVE THING you believe would sway the Free Obamaphone Lady to vote for a conservative.”

How about this: What government gives, government can take away… and there is nothing you can do about it.

onlineanalyst on November 25, 2012 at 8:31 PM

Do you see the disconnect in those two comments? It took you just seven minutes to refute yourself.

lowandslow on November 25, 2012 at 9:01 PM

MrX on November 25, 2012 at 5:17 PM

There is a lot of merit to your points. I have observed anecdotally many people who claim to be liberal in the Democrat’s sense of the word who actually live very conservative lives. They have a conservative sense of fiscal responsibility. They live morally upright lives, obeying the law. They expect justice to be blind. They don’t have their hands out, waiting for bailouts. They expect our national leaders to secure our borders and to protect us from enemies from without.

Unfortunately, they are exposed via our media and entertainment to accept the caricature of conservatives as bigoted rubes.

onlineanalyst on November 25, 2012 at 9:02 PM

He lost to a guy who hasn’t made a single dime of honest money in his life, nor released a single page of his own college transcripts. And that’e leaving aside the arguably dubious circumstances of Obama’s birth and childhood. All that, and Romney still couldn’t seal the deal

gryphon202

Emphasis mine to respond to: And that doesn’t tell you something right there – that there’s something seriously sick and wrong with our society?

kim roy

Problem is neither of our last 2 candidates pointed out either of those things to the American people. Sorry, but politics isn’t for nice guys, yet that’s exactly how McCain and Romney both tried to win. Obama has more baggage in his background than probably any candidate ever, and our side failed to call him on it…twice.

Look at the bright side though….we don’t have to worry about winning in the future, because it won’t matter one bit. This election was the absolute last chance to turn this ship around. There will be no coming back now, no matter how many times we win in the future.

xblade on November 25, 2012 at 9:04 PM

I have a theory…it isn’t that the GOP is stuck on stupid, it’s that they’re just stuck. Even the GOP – for all its faults – realizes straight undiluted conservatism won’t sell to the growing class of people trained to be dependent in exchange for their votes.

S.P. Link on November 25, 2012 at 7:10 PM

The GOP doesn’t sell conservatism at all. It’s NEVER sold conservatism. Even with Reagan, he didn’t sell conservatism all that well. He sold that Carter was a bad President and that liberalism was bad.

Who exactly sells conservatism as the Presidential nominee? McCain? Romney? Bush? Don’t make me laugh. None of them promoted conservatism.

So your argument boils down to this:
“People won’t buy into conservatism so we should give up even though no one has even bothered to try and promote it.”

This is why you are a hack liberal. You’re a walking contradiction.

MrX on November 25, 2012 at 9:07 PM

Where is the disconnect, lowandslow?

Go to any former Soviet bloc country and witness the destitution and helplessness of those who bought into the idea that the State would take care of them. When the Soviet bloc fell, the ones who recognized that what the State gave them was gone succeeded only if they recognized and took advantage of the opportunities that their newly found freedom gave them.

When Newt Gingrich’s “Contract with America” efforts eventually coerced Clinton to cut off the welfare spigot and get people to earn a living, prosperity came again. Did those people riot when the message was that the cupboard is bare for chronic slackers?

onlineanalyst on November 25, 2012 at 9:10 PM

So your argument boils down to this:
“People won’t buy into conservatism so we should give up even though no one has even bothered to try and promote it.”

This is why you are a hack liberal. You’re a walking contradiction.

MrX on November 25, 2012 at 9:07 PM

It’s so much easier just to invent a villain to argue with isn’t it?

lowandslow on November 25, 2012 at 9:16 PM

There is a lot of merit to your points. I have observed anecdotally many people who claim to be liberal in the Democrat’s sense of the word who actually live very conservative lives. They have a conservative sense of fiscal responsibility. They live morally upright lives, obeying the law. They expect justice to be blind. They don’t have their hands out, waiting for bailouts. They expect our national leaders to secure our borders and to protect us from enemies from without.

Unfortunately, they are exposed via our media and entertainment to accept the caricature of conservatives as bigoted rubes.

onlineanalyst on November 25, 2012 at 9:02 PM

EXACTLY!!! Your last sentence is SO spot on. Not only that, when things turn badly as they always do at some point in our lives, they tend to fall into rank and file liberal ideology where they blame the other side of the spectrum and the liberal elites feed on the hatred. Not all liberals succumb to this mind you, but it does happen quite a bit. This is why the lib elites don’t really care about a downturn in the economy. They know it feeds into that hatred. They blame the system “made by rich white people” and it’s a circlejerk of despair.

Breaking out of that cycle is very tough. There are tons of liberals who are leading successful lives despite self imposed obstacles. These people are the hardest to reach. Young people would be easier to reach as well as the poor. Yet, no attempt is made by the Republican Party.

I think Bill Whittle actually had a video once where he contradicts what I’m saying. He says that most all liberals are actually easy to convert. It was a brilliant video and shows the fragile platform that liberalism exists upon. My point is more that they are so sheltered away from different POV’s that no one does reach them.

MrX on November 25, 2012 at 9:23 PM

Go to any former Soviet bloc country and witness the destitution and helplessness of those who bought into the idea that the State would take care of them. When the Soviet bloc fell, the ones who recognized that what the State gave them was gone succeeded only if they recognized and took advantage of the opportunities that their newly found freedom gave them.

When Newt Gingrich’s “Contract with America” efforts eventually coerced Clinton to cut off the welfare spigot and get people to earn a living, prosperity came again. Did those people riot when the message was that the cupboard is bare for chronic slackers?

onlineanalyst on November 25, 2012 at 9:10 PM

So how does any of that relate to the current state of the country? Are we just like when the Soviet bloc fell or are we just like the America of 1994? I love how you guys accuse liberals of being disconnected from reality yet are unable to accurately assess the current cultural and ideological state of the nation right now.

lowandslow on November 25, 2012 at 9:25 PM

Obysmal’s message has always been that if someone is successful or has more material wealth than you that they have “cheated” you of something. The “social justice” model has focused on equality of outcomes.

Surely a persuasive conservative candidate can counter Obysmal’s message rooted in envy and greed, in perpetual dissatisfaction.

onlineanalyst on November 25, 2012 at 9:29 PM

It’s so much easier just to invent a villain to argue with isn’t it?

lowandslow on November 25, 2012 at 9:16 PM

No. I’m saying exactly what he meant. He’s saying that people aren’t buying something they’ve never heard of. How does it even begin to make sense to give up when there’s so much that can be done?

MrX on November 25, 2012 at 9:32 PM

How does it even begin to make sense to give up when there’s so much that can be done?

MrX on November 25, 2012 at 9:32 PM

It’s political fatigue. Many here believe that Romney was truly our best shot at taking America back from dark forces. Given that Romney failed, to soldier on would be an implicit admission that he was not, in fact, the GOP’s great white hope. A false belief is false no matter how sincerely it is held.

gryphon202 on November 25, 2012 at 9:44 PM

A false belief is false no matter how sincerely it is held.

Yeah, I love being lectured on false beliefs by people that think the problems in this country are just political. If we only had a true conservative running, if we only were as good at messaging as the Democrats or, the best one, if we just let the GOP fail we will have a new party rise from the ashes and save America.

lowandslow on November 25, 2012 at 10:08 PM

Someone on this thread said this was a day dream. Of course it is a day dream. It is a dream which we can make into reality.

A famous man once said, “I have a dream.”

Bill Whittle is a dreamer. So are we all. Bill is a prophet as well. We know there is a fiscal cliff looming. We know that we can not continue to enslave half our country in entitlements. Yes, they voted for them, but the money well will run dry.

It looks like we are the enslaved, but in truth, the exact opposite is happening. We, conservatives can do anything we want. The entitlement class can’t. It is limited and useless. Don’t hire them. Don’t waste your time on them. Don’t listen. OUR arguments can’t make a dent to their closed minds.

Instead of degrading or demeaning Bill, listen to what he has to say. His message is for conservatives and can only be understood by conservatives. Liberals will naturally dump on it. They won’t understand it. They are the perpetually whining group that we are stuck with. but we don’t have to listen to them. Except sometimes it is helpful, because they will tell you exactly why something won’t work. They would have and did trash the Wright Brother’s and their new invention. Listen carefully and do the exact opposite. It works.

Joel_The_Oneth on November 25, 2012 at 10:52 PM

Joel_The_Oneth on November 25, 2012 at 10:52 PM

Just to add to that, there was some discussion before about objective reality and facing facts and so on. Objective reality can be influenced and crafted to a degree. We’re not talking about election day only, but a year out, from early campaigning, through the primaries and post convention. This type of person Bill is talking about can change things in different ways than our past two nominees, through stronger grassroots support, stronger and more convincing debate performances and so on.

Yes, every candidate makes mistakes, but this type of person will never have to worry about accidentally playing the race card(Perry) or have to ignore or run away from his prior legislative work(Romney). To think he’ll have the same effect or no effect at all is just static thinking. Why not try it? We’ll lose? We’ve already been doing that.

Dongemaharu on November 26, 2012 at 12:47 AM

But almost no one outside Phelps’ little campsite hates homosexuals.
itsnotaboutme on November 25, 2012 at 6:16 PM

Phelps is a Democrat.

cptacek on November 26, 2012 at 12:53 AM

It’s political fatigue. Many here believe that Romney was truly our best shot at taking America back from dark forces. Given that Romney failed, to soldier on would be an implicit admission that he was not, in fact, the GOP’s great white hope. A false belief is false no matter how sincerely it is held.

gryphon202 on November 25, 2012 at 9:44 PM

That’s not why I advocated for him AFTER the primary. It’s because there is work to do and it could be done with lots of chaos or under the status quo. I had no illusions that Romney was going to change anything and if he did it would be a very pleasant surprise.

Now we have the work to do under more hostile and difficult conditions. It still can be done if people have the will.

kim roy on November 26, 2012 at 12:55 AM

Yeah, I love being lectured on false beliefs by people that think the problems in this country are just political. If we only had a true conservative running, if we only were as good at messaging as the Democrats or, the best one, if we just let the GOP fail we will have a new party rise from the ashes and save America.

lowandslow on November 25, 2012 at 10:08 PM

Really? Who’s lecturing who? You’re awfully thin on alternatives, yourself. Sounds to me like you’d just as soon let the whole nation burn as the Republican party. But enjoy your perch on that high horse, Butch.

gryphon202 on November 26, 2012 at 4:10 AM

The problem the Republicans have is they run on a conservative agenda in their home districts or state, but once they get into the “DC bubble” they vote Democrat-Lite. Just listen to Boehner. He can’t deliver a “conservative message” against Obama. When did he ever vote against raising the debt ceiling. When did he ever vote to reduce funding for Anything. He will make a “deal” with Obama because he’s a politician and can’t “draw a line in the sand” and just say no…about Anything.

RADIOONE on November 26, 2012 at 6:30 AM

You’re awfully thin on alternatives, yourself. Sounds to me like you’d just as soon let the whole nation burn as the Republican party. But enjoy your perch on that high horse, Butch.

Do you people live in some kind of bubble, isolated from everything? As of right now there are no alternatives, nominating the “right” candidate or building a new party from scratch doesn’t change anything. You sit and laugh at Europe but we are no longer any different, if fact we’re probably worse. And no candidate, party or campaign is going to change that.

lowandslow on November 26, 2012 at 7:57 AM

A grassroots true believer candidate with enthusiastic support from the base, or a grassroots movement finding and supporting a real, no doubt conservative is a place to start. You don’t make a comeback with a Romney. You don’t inspire change with a Romney. You certainly can’t even start with a candidate with Stockholm Syndrome, which is what we’ve done the past two times.

Dongemaharu on November 26, 2012 at 8:12 AM

The liberal media has a strangle-hold on our culture. Many of us would vote for Bill Whittle in a heartbeat, but he would be eviscerated. The conservative-living, liberal media-watching populus will be duped again. It’s a daunting problem that won’t be solved simply by having the right candidate.

I do love listening to Whittle… and Prager. If one of them had his own show on CBS I’d feel a lot better. :-)

MT on November 26, 2012 at 8:27 AM

Do you people live in some kind of bubble, isolated from everything? As of right now there are no alternatives, nominating the “right” candidate or building a new party from scratch doesn’t change anything. You sit and laugh at Europe but we are no longer any different, if fact we’re probably worse. And no candidate, party or campaign is going to change that.

lowandslow on November 26, 2012 at 7:57 AM

In case you haven’t noticed, I’m looking for alternatives outside the power structure that conservatives have depended on since the 1860′s. You’re giving up. And you’re mocking me for not giving up. Yeah, that sure looks really morally superior to me./

gryphon202 on November 26, 2012 at 8:51 AM

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