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Re: Slate and why Obama can get away with saying what Rubio said

posted at 8:00 pm on November 20, 2012 by

You’re right, MK, that the Slate piece is surprisingly fair but I don’t think it’ll give liberals a moment’s pause, just like it didn’t bother them that he ostensibly opposed gay marriage for years. In both cases I think they just assume that he’s lying about his true beliefs for electoral advantage and they’re happy to go along with his charade for the benefit of the bitter-clingers in the interest of advancing The Cause. I don’t think they’re wrong either. For all the media navel-gazing about Obama being a “blank screen,” his identity has always seemed pretty plain to me — he’s a doctrinaire upper-middle-class liberal intellectual. Doctrinaire liberal intellectuals don’t oppose gay marriage, and they certainly don’t think there’s a “legitimate” debate about whether the Bible should be read literally. So yeah, this is a rare case where I’m right in line with mainstream left-wing opinion. I think he’s lying his ass off because he doesn’t want the political headaches that would come with professing his real feelings about certain core religious/cultural sensitivities. If he declared tomorrow that he thinks the Earth is 10,000 years old and that cavemen rode Triceratops to work, the media class would giggle, slap him on the back, and say, “That’ll really help Hillary in western Pennsylvania in 2016.”

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We hang our heads in shame before the rest of the world and our founding fathers.

ultracon on November 20, 2012 at 8:30 PM

Exactly. I think Rubio mostly likely believes in evolution and doesn’t think the Earth was created in seven days, but equivocated for the same reasons Obama did. Unfortunately for Rubio, the Republican party is actually filled with people who think the Earth was created in seven days and who believe evolution is just another liberal conspiracy akin to “global warming” and “Obama is ahead in the polls.”

Tom_Shipley on November 20, 2012 at 8:39 PM

the Republican party is actually filled with people who think the Earth was created in seven days and who believe evolution is just another liberal conspiracy akin to “global warming” and “Obama is ahead in the polls.”

I don’t remember where it was posted, but the parties are not that far apart in polling on religious belief. It’s just that the far left uses religion to build a caricature of their opponent which they can then attack rather than the actual arguments. They equate denial of whatever politically expedient pop-”science” is in vogue (which now is “climate change” not “global warming” as the models fell apart on that) to denial of theories that are actually falsifiable and long standing. In fact I’m starting to suspect that being a left winger requires a degree of Freudian projection that could nearly spawn a completely functional twin if focused into an empty space rather than an opponent.

MechanicalBill on November 20, 2012 at 9:05 PM

I actually think Rubio believes the opposite, but is afraid to run foul of the religious right nuts in IA. I can’t see Ryan, Rubio, or Jindal playing with that.;

Illinidiva on November 20, 2012 at 9:25 PM

In fact I’m starting to suspect that being a left winger requires a degree of Freudian projection that could nearly spawn a completely functional twin if focused into an empty space rather than an opponent.

MechanicalBill on November 20, 2012 at 9:05 PM

Mmmm, I dig your analogy.

Jeddite on November 20, 2012 at 9:31 PM

Allahpundit says about 0dumba, “I think he’s lying his ass off”. I disagree, as I find 0dumba to be a more complex human being than a mere “doctrinaire upper-middle-class liberal intellectual”; I don’t accept that the attraction he appears to have for religion is only an affect he puts on.

I’d agree that many leftists do believe what you do about him, however, but that’s not the only reason he will get a pass on this from them – they automatically will be less critical of him, even if they were to grant that his sentiment was sincere, because he is one of their own.

Anti-Control on November 20, 2012 at 10:02 PM

I don’t get it. He was asked how old the earth was not how long it took for the world to be created. I’m not religious and I knew it was in the billions of years but I couldn’t quote you the latest estimate from scientists. And I’m sure neither could 99% of the population including congress. We are making a bigger deal about this than it is/

eaglephin on November 20, 2012 at 10:07 PM

The whole point of the GQ kerfuffle, and what’s going to come over the next three-plus years is that — in the minds of the Democrats — the Republicans cannot have the first Hispanic president.

They cannot have the first woman president.

They cannot have the first Asian-American president, whether it be East Asia or South Asian descent.

They can’t have it because the Democrats see the racial playbook as having worked twice with Barack Obama, and they want to use it again, and again and again, whether it be other races, the female gender or any other options (though I’d bet they put up the first openly LGBT nominee before they put up the first aggressively outright atheist). They want to anoint Hillary, or their Hispanic candidate, or their Asian-American candidate, with the same Absolute Moral Authority that they and the media bestowed on Obama in 2008.

That’s why Marco Rubio has to be destroyed and why if the numbers start looking better for Bobby Jindal, he’ll face the same kind of treatment going into the 2016 election. For a party that lives identity politics, the Democrats can’t allow one of their future options to be lost from the race-and-gender card deck.

jon1979 on November 20, 2012 at 11:19 PM

Mary Katherine Ham is cogent and honest – and interested in doing the right thing.

YOU – are NOT!

williamg on November 20, 2012 at 11:37 PM

he’s a doctrinaire upper-middle-class liberal intellectual

It must be true. If you tell a lie often enough, it becomes he truth.

Alabama Infidel on November 21, 2012 at 12:19 AM

If he declared tomorrow that he thinks the Earth is 10,000 years old and that cavemen rode Triceratops to work, the media class would giggle, slap him on the back, and say, “That’ll really help Hillary in western Pennsylvania in 2016.”

Not to mention shoring up support with the Fred & Wilma and Betty & Barney voters…

Bruno Strozek on November 21, 2012 at 1:07 AM

Tom_Shipley on November 20, 2012 at 8:39 PM

Do you ever speak to Christians or just assume to know what they believe?

jawkneemusic on November 21, 2012 at 2:03 AM

Obama: left wing, yes; intellectual, most definitely NOT.

senrex on November 21, 2012 at 7:21 AM

Obama is a pseudo pseudo intellectual: He’s not even good at being a pseudo intellectual …

Frank_D on November 21, 2012 at 7:30 AM

I think that Jindal has been toast for years.

Believe what you will, folks, but “bizarre” is hardly too strong a word to describe this. And you can be assured that it will thoroughly disqualify him from ever becoming the leading light of a revitalized conservative Republican Party, no matter whether you think that’s right or wrong. He’ll never live it down, and any future run for higher office he may attempt will have this clanking and groaning along behind him every step of the way like Marley’s ghost rattling its spectral chains.

Physics Geek on November 21, 2012 at 7:53 AM

Obama did. Unfortunately for Rubio, the Republican party is actually filled with people who think the Earth was created in seven days and who believe evolution is just another liberal conspiracy akin to “global warming” and “Obama is ahead in the polls.”

Unfortunately for democrats, the democrat party is actually filled with people who think that Guam will capsize any minute now, that food stamps produce wealth, who believe that “Cryogenian ice age” was produced by inadequate use of apple ipads, and that “mob rule” is enshrined in the US Constitution.

runner on November 21, 2012 at 8:39 AM

The Hebrew word for “day” used by the writer of Genesis and we will for the moment assume that was Moses, can mean a 24-hour day or an in-determinant amount of time. You can look it up. So go ahead and read the creation account literally. But don’t assume Moses was talking a 24 hour day, which they didn’t have at that time either, not having clocks and all that.

IdrilofGondolin on November 21, 2012 at 8:52 AM

Rubio is saying that it’s no one’s business what he thinks about religion, and that any discussion of religion is too complex for a sound byte.

Susan Lee

Susan Lee on November 21, 2012 at 8:55 AM

Allahpundit: the point is not that Obama said the same thing; it’s that the press knows Obama said the same thing but he gets a pass while Rubio gets spat upon.

And the Genesis thing – the sun and moon and stars were not created until the fourth day. No way to measure the first three days, and nothing to measure them against. So, what did “day” mean for those first three “days”?

Does this support a universe that is billions of years old? I dunno; it might or might not – depends on what you believe.

And that is the fundamental dispute between science and a Creator God: what do you believe? I believe in the Creator God, and I believe in science. It is when science adopts belief and advocacy instead of scientific proof that the fights happen.

ss396 on November 21, 2012 at 10:01 AM

You do realize he wears a ring on his wedding finger since before he was married that says “There is no god but Allah” in Arabic.

SirGawain on November 21, 2012 at 11:35 AM

This isn’t complicated.

If you support the Democratic Party, and help it gain power, you get a pass. That’s the entire extent of the calculation.

It’s why fundamentalist, anti-abortion Democrats get a pass. It’s why billionaire hedge-fund Democrats get a pass. It’s why Democrats who abuse women, commit crimes, and make dozens of gaffes a week get a pass.

tbrosz on November 21, 2012 at 1:00 PM

If you want to strike fear in the hearts of the Iranian radicals, remove the aircraft carrier groups from the Straights of Hurmuz and surrounding areas. Why? Because moving those ships means they are repositioning away from a close in threat and the missiles can hit from any redeployed position.

If you want to strike fear in the hearts of the radial left media, simply disengage from them. No more interviews on “The View” or with Brian Williams or that moron who hosts Meet the Press. This means no more ‘gotcha’ questions or opportunity to spin answers from dupe republicans on the spot. The left can conjecture whats up with the GOP but will have nothing other than to spin BS out of whole cloth

The GOP needs a media machine that bypasses the left media. Reposition themselves. Seeing that Gingrich went on “The View” was the absolute wrong thing to do. Let em bring on the echo chamber guests the same way Pravda did with members of the politboro. We all know how that eventually turned out.

kens on November 21, 2012 at 1:12 PM