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For All You Fans Of Getting To The Bottom Of Benghazi…

posted at 4:45 pm on November 9, 2012 by

You’ve just been dealt a blow. CIA director David Petraeus has submitted his resignation, effective immediately, after it was learned that he engaged in an extra-marital affair. We certainly do not relish what he and his family will be going through now on a personal level, and we will always esteem him for the service he has given to this country, both here and abroad.

But what is disappointing, apart from discovering that another great American that was put on a pedestal by us has human failings after all, is that he will not be testifying before the Senate Intelligence Committee about his role in the Benghazi affair. This is curious and troubling. From the outset of the Benghazi scandal, the intelligence community was blamed and thrown under the bus by Team Obama, and General Petraeus was one of the few who seemed to fight back, issuing a carefully worded statement that indicated no decision in the intelligence community chain was made, and no order was given, to stand down, essentially leading people to look elsewhere in Obama’s government for who may have given that order. I was among the early proponents of getting General Petraeus under oath, not because I believe he was complicit in the disaster that was our response to the terrorist attack on September 11th, 2012, but because the information he could share would be the lynch pin to learning the truth of who screwed up and why.

Now that General Petraeus has called it a career, and especially in this light, one of the star witnesses we were looking forward to in the weeks ahead is no longer an option. I’m not a conspiracy theorist. I think chasing conspiracies are counterproductive. But I know our side, and where this is going to lead. The calls that this is all part of the cover-up, that Petraeus didn’t really cheat on his wife, this was all a calculated way of driving him out in order to keep him from making Obama look bad, all the nefarious reasons why this happened now and in this way, are going to spin this story in a very unhealthy direction. And that will be tragic.

What happened in Benghazi is not, and should not be able to be turned into the equivalence of birtherism and trutherism. Four Americans died under circumstances that aren’t yet fully known, and the American government, right up to the president of the United States, is on record for weeks afterward lying about those circumstances. The American people deserve better. The families of the dead deserve to know the truth. I’m just souring on the prospects that will ever happen without becoming marginalized as nutters.

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What happened in Benghazi is not, and should not be able to be turned into the equivalence of birtherism and trutherism.

I agree Duane, but there sure are alot of coincidences with this Administration.

forest on November 9, 2012 at 4:50 PM

I”m curious. Why would his resignation in any way affect Congress subpoenaing him for the information he has about this incident?

Al-Ozarka on November 9, 2012 at 4:51 PM

Can someone explain why Petraeus not testifying is not an option? Simply resigning doesn’t alleviate that. The senate could still call him if they chose. The house most definitely can call him.

Zaggs on November 9, 2012 at 4:51 PM

I swear Obama must get help from below.

portlandon on November 9, 2012 at 4:53 PM

one of the star witnesses we were looking forward to in the weeks ahead is no longer an option

Why isn’t it an option?

sharrukin on November 9, 2012 at 4:54 PM

Al-Ozarka on November 9, 2012 at 4:51 PM

Good question. I didn’t think quitting could get somebody out of a subpoena like this. Maybe since it’s not criminal and only involves government employees, no nonger being in the government gets him out.

A convenient coincidence this is. Not that I’m a paranoid conspiracy freak or anything. I mean suspicious stuff like this only happens every week or so.

forest on November 9, 2012 at 4:55 PM

The Fox News Radio update at the top of the hour (3:00) specifically said that Petraeus was “looking forward” to testifying before the committee.

MississippiMom on November 9, 2012 at 4:57 PM

He’ll be subpoenaed. No way does Congress let him off the hook.

Doughboy on November 9, 2012 at 5:01 PM

Patraeus is now a private citizen.

I’m pretty sure the rules and procedures governing the testimony of private citizens before Congress are different.

For example, I assume he is now entitled to have an attorney present.

At a minimum the process of getting him to testify just got longer.

farsighted on November 9, 2012 at 5:03 PM

Patraeus is now a private citizen.

I’m pretty sure the rules and procedures governing the testimony of private citizens before Congress are different.

For example, I assume he is now entitled to have an attorney present.

At a minimum the process of getting him to testify just got longer.

farsighted on November 9, 2012 at 5:03 PM

Yeah, but if they subpoena him and he takes the fifth, that’s gonna stink worse than this conveniently timed resignation.

Doughboy on November 9, 2012 at 5:06 PM

What happens in Benghazi…stays in Benghazi…

right2bright on November 9, 2012 at 5:13 PM

Yeah, but if they subpoena him and he takes the fifth, that’s gonna stink worse than this conveniently timed resignation.

Doughboy on November 9, 2012 at 5:06 PM

But no court martial and he retains his retirement and benefits…

right2bright on November 9, 2012 at 5:13 PM

I”m curious. Why would his resignation in any way affect Congress subpoenaing him for the information he has about this incident?

Al-Ozarka on November 9, 2012 at 4:51 PM

It doesn’t. Congress can subpoena anybody it wants to.

TarheelBen on November 9, 2012 at 5:15 PM

Let’s say the full facts were to come out about Benghazi and it was as bad as we all fear. Then what? The American people have shown they cannot be bothered to care about these things anymore. Unless they can text in their vote for a Kardashian with the possibility of winning an Amazon gift card they couldn’t give an eff less.

Kataklysmic on November 9, 2012 at 5:15 PM

Congress can subpoena a civilian, but now he won’t be a spokesperson for the administration. He will be a fact witness, and as a civilian it is possible he may be prohibited from discussing information that he left behind in his former position.

This may be a chess move by him to limit his own ability to speak out. Makes me wonder if the CIA bungled something (like a bad money-for-ManPads deal) and he knows it happemned on his watch. Now they’re out the money and we’ve got a dead ambassador. Sounds like a movie plot.

2ndMAW68 on November 9, 2012 at 5:16 PM

Patraeus is now a private citizen.

I’m pretty sure the rules and procedures governing the testimony of private citizens before Congress are different.

For example, I assume he is now entitled to have an attorney present.

At a minimum the process of getting him to testify just got longer.

farsighted on November 9, 2012 at 5:03 PM

He’s entitled to have an attorney present regardless of his status.

TarheelBen on November 9, 2012 at 5:17 PM

Well, it doesn’t make any sense to me why his testimony is canceled, no matter what his status is. He can take the Fifth as a civilian or military.

Personally, I think he was being blackmailed with this affair. Why else would he feel the need to disclose it like that?

Wow – this happens a few days after the election, CIA, real cloak & dagger stuff.

TarheelBen on November 9, 2012 at 5:21 PM

You think if you are the head of the CIA you could figure out how to hide an affair. Jeez.

hazchic on November 9, 2012 at 5:26 PM

Let’s say the full facts were to come out about Benghazi and it was as bad as we all fear. Then what? The American people have shown they cannot be bothered to care about these things anymore. Unless they can text in their vote for a Kardashian with the possibility of winning an Amazon gift card they couldn’t give an eff less.

Kataklysmic on November 9, 2012 at 5:15 PM

Can’t argue with you. The only way to get their attention would be to take away the shiny things.

kim roy on November 9, 2012 at 5:29 PM

Like anyone with a security clearance who resigns or retires from the Government, I’m sure Petraeus will have to sign a non-disclosure agreement (NDA) which prohibits him from revealing classified or sensitive information which he learned on the job. If you violate an NDA, the Government can go after you civilly or criminally (as the former SEAL who wrote the Bin Laden tell-all is in the process of discovering). If Petraeus is subpoenaed as a private citizen, could he tell Congress that the NDA prohibits him from answering the questions they are asking without prior clearance from the Administration? I don’t know; I’m not a lawyer, but it seems plausible.

/Okay, tin foil hat off…

Hayabusa on November 9, 2012 at 5:33 PM

Can’t argue with you. The only way to get their attention would be to take away the shiny things.

kim roy on November 9, 2012 at 5:29 PM

That would get their attention. But the media would then lie and blame the evil rethuglikkan party of no obstuctionism in the house and the masses would believe them. So yes they would be suffering but with no awareness of cause and effect.

Kataklysmic on November 9, 2012 at 5:37 PM

I”m curious. Why would his resignation in any way affect Congress subpoenaing him for the information he has about this incident?

Al-Ozarka on November 9, 2012 at 4:51 PM

Because the Senate was calling the Director of the CIA to testify, not David Petraeus.

For those of you expecting the Senate to call David Petraeus, private citizen to testify, I have a few bridges to sell you.

Steve Eggleston on November 9, 2012 at 5:39 PM

McCain is holding DP in his back pocket. McCain knows what really went down.

Mr. Arrogant on November 9, 2012 at 5:41 PM

Until I see him shagging that mistress in person I will not believe it. Patreaus is not that kind of guy. He’s CIA!! He knows that kind of thing would always get out.

leftnomore on November 9, 2012 at 5:43 PM

Now that I think about it, Obama knew Petreaus was having some on the side. In fact, he probably arranged a hottie to work with him and get in bed. That way he always had something on him so he’d do his bidding.

leftnomore on November 9, 2012 at 5:45 PM

Can’t argue with you. The only way to get their attention would be to take away the shiny things.

kim roy on November 9, 2012 at 5:29 PM

That would get their attention. But the media would then lie and blame the evil rethuglikkan party of no obstuctionism in the house and the masses would believe them. So yes they would be suffering but with no awareness of cause and effect.

Kataklysmic on November 9, 2012 at 5:37 PM

I bow to your superior logic. ;)

kim roy on November 9, 2012 at 5:47 PM

There are a few different scenarios. None of which involve him escaping testimony. One that I can think of is that he was either having this held over his head or it was threatened, so he premptively put it out there and quit. Thus, freeing him up to be completely honest. After all, what does he have to lose now? He has already said that the order to not support the mission at Benghazi did NOT come from the CIA. It may take a few extra days and some extra paperwork, but he will more than likely testify. BTW, I bet there are staffers working on this as we speak.

Jeffriesboys on November 9, 2012 at 5:48 PM

His resignation has no bearing whatsoever on his ability to answer questions about Benghazi in Congress.

I think many people here at Hot Air will be disappointed when the report comes out.

lexhamfox on November 9, 2012 at 5:50 PM

I’m just souring on the prospects that will ever happen without becoming marginalized as nutters.

The techniques for marginalizing people as nutters have been established by Saul Alinsky. Those techniques work so well that the people who use them are finding that they can get away with murder.

86 on November 9, 2012 at 5:55 PM

What happened in Benghazi is not, and should not be able to be turned into the equivalence of birtherism and trutherism.

-Duane

This has got to be the most idiotic thing I’ve heard since Boehner delivered his “this is your moment” ode to The New Boss. It really doesn’t warrant a response. With an “opposition” as pathetic as this, it’s no wonder the White House has felt free to run rampant as they have over the last four years. There will be no reckoning.

sartana on November 10, 2012 at 2:12 AM

According to Michael Yon’s Facebook page there were rumours of an affair for a long time- the timing of this revelation, right after the election and just before he was due to testify, is highly suspicious. If an independent reporter embedded with a military unit in Afghanistan knew of this affair then I’m sure pretty much the entire press corps knew it too.

Birtherism and trutherism has nothing whatsoever to do with asking why such a poorly guarded secret happened to emerge at such a critical time.

Four Americans are dead, military units were on stand-by ready to be put into harm’s way (in fact, such a unit exists purely for events like this) and yet no help was sent until hours after the attack was over. The people of America need and deserve answers NOW.

Demanding the truth over the failure to send help to Americans in desperate need is no conspiracy theory.

Makes me nostalgic for the days when the press were hungry to expose scandal and cover-up in government, rather than being complicit in keeping it quiet.

Jay Mac on November 10, 2012 at 5:34 AM

CIA director David Petraeus has submitted his resignation, effective immediately, after it was learned that he engaged in an extra-marital affair.

Hope you won’t think me a nutter for not believing he resigned immediately after it was known:) This has been known for a very long time and no one can convince me BO didn’t know until Petraeus personally informed him and tendered his resignation. I’m also highly skeptical that BO urged him not to resign.

Buy Danish on November 10, 2012 at 7:36 AM

Mere coincidence!” said the journalist. To which the veteran detective said “There’s no such thing as coincidence.”

soghornetgunner on November 10, 2012 at 7:56 AM

Makes me nostalgic for the days when the press were hungry to expose scandal and cover-up in government, rather than being complicit in keeping it quiet.

Jay Mac on November 10, 2012 at 5:34 AM

They are hungry if it is an R. Why are there no reporters willing to go there? Why is there ‘no story there’ always now? Until we turn that ship around, we are doomed.

hazchic on November 10, 2012 at 8:49 AM

What happened in Benghazi is not, and should not be able to be turned into the equivalence of birtherism and trutherism.

No, and there were rational debunkings of both.

The murder of an ambassador, the sudden relief of 2 flag officers in that theater, and the resignation of the head of the CIA within a short time of Benghazi is curious though.

There is quite clearly an interesting story here. Unfortunately I am with you DP. The story will come out, but it will take at least a decade.

CorporatePiggy on November 10, 2012 at 11:04 AM

The General will be locked into the security laws and forbidden to comment along with Hillary and do you honestly think the Democratic Senate would do what’s correct? Hillary’s been through this BS before with Bill and knows the ropes. If I was the General I would disappear for awhile or he is liable to appear with Vince Foster. There’s a powerful government within our government that’s denied to the death but some know better.

mixplix on November 10, 2012 at 11:08 AM

Ho-hum. Another shiny object for the media to chase, while Benghazi goes down the memory hole.

This is the new normal, and 49.9% of us are Emmanuel Goldstein. God Bless (the memory of) America.

Kenz on November 10, 2012 at 3:04 PM