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Elections Have Consequences

posted at 2:47 pm on November 8, 2012 by

As countless amounts of current workers in this economy are going to find out when they receive pink slips in the next few monthsWhether the company be small or large, the decision to gear up for the new American expansion or hunker down in cost-cutting survival mode for at least another four years is being made in boardrooms and offices all over the country.

A majority of voters decided on Tuesday they do not perceive the coming debt crisis and our short and long term economic health to be as big a concern as whether gays can marry, whether abortion on demand is in jeopardy, whether condoms should be free (and whether male porn stars should be forced to wear them),  and whether pot should be legalized. But business owners, being the successfully-demonized, greedy capitalists they are, their election season begins now.

 And their vote is really the one that people are going to feel in the months ahead.

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Let’s see how much the unemployment raises this next month.

mrscullen on November 8, 2012 at 3:11 PM

Let it burn

Ca97 on November 8, 2012 at 3:12 PM

I am in the let it burn category as well. Oh and by the way, when are the layoff notices going out to all those people working for defense contractors that were supposed to go out before the election?

IdrilofGondolin on November 8, 2012 at 3:17 PM

So in 2008 Obama mentioned how people who don’t have an agenda make elections about small things and now the voters think small things are actually big things. Aparently contraception and abortion is bigger than being able to eat. Oh that’s right if they don’t have money for food, they’ll just get food stamps.

MobileVideoEngineer on November 8, 2012 at 3:18 PM

let them eat cake

and make sure it’s free….if the food banks are still running

elclynn on November 8, 2012 at 3:20 PM

I am in the let it burn category as well. Oh and by the way, when are the layoff notices going out to all those people working for defense contractors that were supposed to go out before the election?

IdrilofGondolin on November 8, 2012 at 3:17 PM

Probably just in time for Christmas. Happy Holidays, O-bots. We have to hit rock bottom, folks. To paraphrase the Joker, this country needs an enema. A severe depression may finally wake people up that we’re broke, government can’t save them(you’d think Staten Island would be a big enough hint), and we better start electing some serious individuals to right this ship.

Doughboy on November 8, 2012 at 3:21 PM

I think what everyone is missing is that the takeaway of this election is that the electorate has successfully divorced cause from effect.

Therefore, no effect will be traceable to its cause.

Because of this, if unemployment goes up, it’s not Obama’s fault.
If the economy doesn’t recover, it’s not Obama’s fault.
If anything bad happens, it’s not Obama’s fault.

Because you cannot count on the electorate to see cause and effect anymore, any argument of ‘let it burn and pick up the pieces after it’s over’ will not work, because they will not attribute the failure to the appropriate causes.

Scott H on November 8, 2012 at 3:22 PM

Let it burn, let it burn, let it burn.

ramesees on November 8, 2012 at 3:23 PM

Because you cannot count on the electorate to see cause and effect anymore, any argument of ‘let it burn and pick up the pieces after it’s over’ will not work, because they will not attribute the failure to the appropriate causes.

You are right about that, but the Democrat/Union machine will be broken.

ramesees on November 8, 2012 at 3:24 PM

RedState picked up on it and we have a meme – pass it along.

The Keyeser Soze option. If you haven’t seen The Usual Suspects, a clip is in the link.

http://www.redstate.com/2012/11/08/the-fiscal-cliff-and-the-keyser-soze-option/

Ca97 on November 8, 2012 at 3:24 PM

I just hope that business owner try fire those employees they supsect that they voted for Obama…

mnjg on November 8, 2012 at 3:26 PM

ramesees: How? The glaring hole in Atlas Shrugged, an otherwise prophetic vision of this country, is that the ending is pure deux ex machina.

How, exactly, will the machine be broken? It may be starved, but that will not break it. It will simply wait for more input from the producers, and then go back to work.

Scott H on November 8, 2012 at 3:28 PM

I think what everyone is missing is that the takeaway of this election is that the electorate has successfully divorced cause from effect.

Therefore, no effect will be traceable to its cause.

Because of this, if unemployment goes up, it’s not Obama’s fault.
If the economy doesn’t recover, it’s not Obama’s fault.
If anything bad happens, it’s not Obama’s fault.

Because you cannot count on the electorate to see cause and effect anymore, any argument of ‘let it burn and pick up the pieces after it’s over’ will not work, because they will not attribute the failure to the appropriate causes.

Scott H on November 8, 2012 at 3:22 PM

I disagree. The financial collapse of 2008 was so sudden and dramatic and only a month and half before the election. Obama came into office not only with an historic win, but a hell of a grace period granted to him(courtesy in large part to a sycophantic media that never went after him).

While he won’t be on the ballot in 2016, his party will essentially be running for his 3rd term and whomever their nominee is will have to defend the state of the economy at that time. And there’s no way they can run against Bush 8 freaking years after he left office. Hell, most college aged voters in 2016 will likely have almost no passing knowledge of the Bush Presidency.

Doughboy on November 8, 2012 at 3:28 PM

Not to worry workers of America. The Executive Branch will declare and the Legislative Branch will mandate and the Judicial Branch will uphold and the IRS will enforce that private businesses must hire more people or be fined. Solved.

Borgcube on November 8, 2012 at 3:29 PM

And there’s no way they can run against Bush 8 freaking years after he left office.

Doughboy on November 8, 2012 at 3:28 PM

Ah, and here your mistake is fatal.

Think about what our country did just did. Our electorate specializes in the ignorant and unthinkable.

Ca97 on November 8, 2012 at 3:31 PM

Doughboy: The argument would be more persuasive if _just last week_ people were not arguing that the voters couldn’t be blaming Bush for the economy after an entire term of Obama in office.

The causal chain has been broken. If they don’t blame Bush, they’ll blame the GOP or ‘Wall Street fatcats’ or someone else. It doesn’t matter who they blame, as long as it’s not them.

Scott H on November 8, 2012 at 3:31 PM

There is a idea running through this thread that the Democrats are going to destroy the country with more debt, taxes, higher prices, runaway inflation and raids on your savings. Then the people will see what Liberalism means and will ‘come to their senses’.

Where in the world has this ever happened? Fiscal crashes
always lead to more Statism. Remember their motto, “Never let a good crisis go to waste.”

Uniblogger on November 8, 2012 at 3:41 PM

Doughboy: The argument would be more persuasive if _just last week_ people were not arguing that the voters couldn’t be blaming Bush for the economy after an entire term of Obama in office.

The causal chain has been broken. If they don’t blame Bush, they’ll blame the GOP or ‘Wall Street fatcats’ or someone else. It doesn’t matter who they blame, as long as it’s not them.

Scott H on November 8, 2012 at 3:31 PM

I’ll grant you that there will always be a segment of the electorate that engages in excuse making and buck passing. There’s a reason even in the most lopsided of landslides that the losing candidate will still garner at least 40% of the vote. The base will remain loyal even in the worst of times.

But that middle segment of the electorate(not to mention Republicans) is not gonna tolerate “blame Bush” in 2016. Obama may have won reelection, but his margin of victory shrank by 5 points in the popular vote and he won the 5 key swing states(FL, VA, OH, WI, and CO) by a total of half a million votes. That’s an extremely slim margin of error for the Democrats heading into 2016 and they think blaming a former President 8 years removed from office and not having been on a ballot for 12 years is their key to holding onto power, they’re in deep trouble.

Doughboy on November 8, 2012 at 3:42 PM

I think what everyone is missing is that the takeaway of this election is that the electorate has successfully divorced cause from effect.

Therefore, no effect will be traceable to its cause.

Because of this, if unemployment goes up, it’s not Obama’s fault.
If the economy doesn’t recover, it’s not Obama’s fault.
If anything bad happens, it’s not Obama’s fault.

Because you cannot count on the electorate to see cause and effect anymore, any argument of ‘let it burn and pick up the pieces after it’s over’ will not work, because they will not attribute the failure to the appropriate causes.

Scott H on November 8, 2012 at 3:22 PM

Sadly, this is probably true.

changer1701 on November 8, 2012 at 3:45 PM

Oh and by the way, when are the layoff notices going out to all those people working for defense contractors that were supposed to go out before the election?

IdrilofGondolin on November 8, 2012 at 3:17 PM

Boeing announced 30% cuts to management literally ONE DAY after the election. (MSNBC link)

Washington Nearsider on November 8, 2012 at 3:47 PM

Lockheed Martin also issued layoff notices on November 7, 2012.

Washington Nearsider on November 8, 2012 at 3:55 PM

This site will be extremely busy over the next years.

http://dailyjobcuts.com/

HumpBot Salvation on November 8, 2012 at 3:58 PM

Because of this, if unemployment goes up, it’s not Obama’s fault.
If the economy doesn’t recover, it’s not Obama’s fault.
If anything bad happens, it’s not Obama’s fault.

It will be the fault of the greedy businessmen for not expanding and going on a hiring spree November 7.

There is a idea running through this thread that the Democrats are going to destroy the country with more debt, taxes, higher prices, runaway inflation and raids on your savings. Then the people will see what Liberalism means and will ‘come to their senses’.

The Dems are going to collapse the economy. The mindless Obamunists won’t come to their senses though. They have no sense to come to.
They will, however, be enraged when the gravy train runs off the rails and will lash out at the groups that have been demonized by their manipulators.

This will end in blood – by design.

single stack on November 8, 2012 at 3:59 PM

Boeing announced 30% cuts to management literally ONE DAY after the election. (MSNBC link)

Washington Nearsider on November 8, 2012 at 3:47 PM

Just following King Obama’s orders

JPeterman on November 8, 2012 at 4:00 PM

We are all Marxists now.

faraway on November 8, 2012 at 4:01 PM

A majority of voters decided on Tuesday they do not perceive the coming debt crisis and our short and long term economic health to be as big a concern as whether gays can marry, whether abortion on demand is in jeopardy, whether condoms should be free (and whether male porn stars should be forced to wear them), and whether pot should be legalized. But business owners, being the successfully-demonized, greedy capitalists they are, their election season begins now.

Sour grapes Duane. Neither candidate had any concrete proposals to address the deficit and long term debt. Mitt distanced himself from Paul Ryan’s plan. And for all those see Ryan’s plan as the cure for our budget woes, under his proposal, which makes rosy GDP grow assumptions, the budget wouldn’t be balanced in 27 years. That’s some plan /s

So in other words, the deficit and ling term debt were non issues because there was nothing of any substance to debate to begin with.

antifederalist on November 8, 2012 at 4:03 PM

I get warm fuzzy feelings looking forward to jobs losses that are to come. Stupid people will learn the consequences of their actions. Does that make me a bad person?

sheikh of thornton on November 8, 2012 at 4:03 PM

Doughboy: So they blame the obstructionist Congress or Wall St.

And heaven forbid the GOP put up Jeb in 2016.

I think you’re missing the fact that these people have shown that they can claim that black is white and make it stick.

Once you do that, does it matter what they say?

“That wasn’t a death ray. You ignited swamp gas and were blinded by the reflection of the light off of Venus.”

That’s more plausible than some things that the Democrat machine said in this election, and it didn’t matter.

They could blame Reagan at this point, and they would be believed.

Scott H on November 8, 2012 at 4:05 PM

Because you cannot count on the electorate to see cause and effect anymore…

Scott H on November 8, 2012 at 3:22 PM

Nor can you expect the media or public schools to educate them.

tims472 on November 8, 2012 at 4:07 PM

sheikh: That’s just it. The stupid people _won’t_ learn.

Scott H on November 8, 2012 at 4:07 PM

Those that voted for Obama, both directly and (by staying at home or voting a 3rd party candidate) have sowed the wind. Now let them reap the whirlwind.

Not one f#@*ing iota of sympathy for any Obama voter that loses his job or suffers personally in the wake of this election. The choice was stark and was laid out in front of them. They have made their choice, now let them live with the consequences of that choice.

thirteen28 on November 8, 2012 at 4:08 PM

Because you cannot count on the electorate to see cause and effect anymore, any argument of ‘let it burn and pick up the pieces after it’s over’ will not work, because they will not attribute the failure to the appropriate causes.

Scott H on November 8, 2012 at 3:22 PM

You’re assuming these idiots will actually survive the pending crash. Many of them, quite literally, will not.

thirteen28 on November 8, 2012 at 4:13 PM

thirteen: As just as it would be to take your approach, I would prefer if they _learned_ from their mistake.

Unless they do, the country will not be righted.

Scott H on November 8, 2012 at 4:13 PM

sheikh: That’s just it. The stupid people _won’t_ learn.

Scott H on November 8, 2012 at 4:07 PM

Scary possibility. You are probably correct. Im still looking forward to their pain even if they dont know what is causing it. Its a bit like the strange enjoyment I get out of the melt down in Chicago and detroit.

sheikh of thornton on November 8, 2012 at 4:14 PM

Here’s what I’m sending out or saying over the phone when we receive those appeals in the mail and phone for charitable donations. Am I bitter – yes!

“Hello: We have donated many, many times to community organizations over the year. Food banks, police charitable organizations, Big Brothers, etc. etc. – giving ten, twenty-five even fifty dollars – whatever we could spare after our own bills have been paid. You must know our charitable nature since we are on your donor list. But we’re sad to say, that can no longer be the case. Due to the economic and social injustices that we seem to have committed by working hard and successfully creating a lifestyle better than the average person, we have to turn now to protecting our family and our assets from the onslaught of taxation and appropriation of what we have earned all our lives. So please do two things. First ask Mr. Obama to print you off some money that he will be more than willing to do. Second, save your organization the expense of contacting us in the future by removing us from your donor list.”

WC on November 8, 2012 at 4:15 PM

thirteen: Yes, of course I assume that. I cannot be happy or ‘hope’ that they won’t survive it.

You seem to assume that the producers will survive ‘better’ than the looters. I do not share that assumption.

Scott H on November 8, 2012 at 4:17 PM

sheikh: Did they learn from 2008 to 2012?

Unfortunately, I cannot enjoy another’s pain. I might enjoy their confusion if it was not a symptom of that disconnect I spoke of before.

Scott H on November 8, 2012 at 4:22 PM

Let it burn.

gdonovan on November 8, 2012 at 4:25 PM

reading comments around the blogesphere, too many were on the “let-it-burn” train on Tuesday… Of course the Inside the beltway GOP elite will take the election as a message to move to the center instead of getting leaders with a spine…

phreshone on November 8, 2012 at 4:30 PM

The stupid people will just move into Mommy’s basement and eat Cheetos.

faraway on November 8, 2012 at 4:30 PM

Not one f#@*ing iota of sympathy for any Obama voter that loses his job or suffers personally in the wake of this election. .

thirteen28 on November 8, 2012 at 4:08 PM

That will be my question to friends who complain about losing their jobs.

“Who did you vote for?”.

Sympathy or not is determined on that.

Ca97 on November 8, 2012 at 4:32 PM

Scott H, you are a better man than I.

sheikh of thornton on November 8, 2012 at 4:32 PM

There will be enough pain for everyone. No need or point in separating ‘us’ from ‘them’. I have no hope that it will be a learning experience, either.

No, ultimately the only things that will come of it are car fires, broken windows, police cordons, and tear gas.

ElectricPhase on November 8, 2012 at 4:44 PM

If you voted for Jugears, YOU BUILT THIS.

Common sense takes a holiday, or is it a permanent vacation?

hillbillyjim on November 8, 2012 at 4:48 PM

Cloward-Piven. All going according to plan.

zap-johnson on November 8, 2012 at 4:49 PM

This is going to be the conservative version of the Waats Riots.

Let it burn people.

Ted Torgerson on November 8, 2012 at 4:50 PM

Watts

Ted Torgerson on November 8, 2012 at 4:50 PM

There will be enough pain for everyone. No need or point in separating ‘us’ from ‘them’. I have no hope that it will be a learning experience, either.

No, ultimately the only things that will come of it are car fires, broken windows, police cordons, and tear gas.

ElectricPhase on November 8, 2012 at 4:44 PM

It can be a learning experience if we continually remind them that this is a direct and logical consequence of their vote and their unwillingness to face up to the problems this country has.

For all the messaging talk about what Republicans/conservatives must do over the next four years, one message that must be repeated constantly is that elections have consequences. With enough repetition, at least a few people might get it through their thick skulls that voting for the policies of Obama might be connected to the dire predicament they will eventually be in.

thirteen28 on November 8, 2012 at 4:53 PM

Oh the election results were frightful
But the fire will be delightful
And since we’ve no place else to turn
Let It Burn! Let It Burn! Let It Burn!

There’s no sign of destruction stopping
So I’ve bought some corn for popping
There’s just one way progressives learn
Let It Burn! Let It Burn! Let It Burn!

Now the country is slowly dying
Voters spoke, there’s no denying
Let the country get what it earned
Let It Burn! Let It Burn! Let It Burn!

The Rogue Tomato on November 8, 2012 at 4:54 PM

WC on November 8, 2012 at 4:15 PM

This. In spades.

NebCon on November 8, 2012 at 4:55 PM

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