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Obamaholics Anonymous

posted at 2:41 pm on November 7, 2012 by

The country’s fiscal and international problems were not solved with last night’s narrow re-election of Barack Obama. But thanks in large part to the unceasing work of a sympathetic media serving as an unpaid arm of the Democratic Party, a majority of voters chose the path for which far too many alcoholics opt that invariably leads to their own destruction, and to the destruction of those around them. They fail to take the first step, which is to admit we have a problem.

A majority of voters last night do not recognize, yet, and probably will not, at least until a majority see the impact of Obamacare, the debt crisis, coming stagflation, and an increase in threats around the world due to our weakened foreign policy and emaciated military capacity. In short, we haven’t hit rock bottom. Unfortunately, the impact of the President’s policies the last four years may make that abundantly clear in 2016. But we as conservatives can’t count on that. We do have to take the first step to recovery in our own right, which is admit we have a problem, and that is messaging.

Whomever our standard-bearer in the next election cycle might be, that individual will face enormous challenges, besides what damage the Democrats do to the country on policy. The simple message of individual responsibility and achievement is no longer a winning message. It’s the right idea, but too many people are now rejecting it because they’re addicted to government handouts, and they’re convinced of a false promise that the rich carrying a bigger burden will lower theirs. But that’s not all. We have to face a demograhic reality that Mark Steyn has warned about, and go back to the drawing board on outreach.

The Democratic party will not run Joe Biden as the nominee in 2016. It will either be a Latino or a woman. We have to field a candidate who shares our common beliefs as a movement, but who would feel equally at home on Univision as they do on Fox News. We need to field candidate, at all levels of national office, who will not be so undisciplined in their messaging, they deliver a bludgeon to be used against them with women on the abortion front. We simply have to get smarter and better. The mainstream media will never clean up our mess. We will only get one chance.

I am not here to say here’s all the solutions to what ails the conservative movement. All I can say is I’m Duane Patterson, and I am a conservative. Or should be be Yo me llamo Duane Patterson, y yo soy conservador.

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I am not here to say here’s all the solutions to what ails the conservative movement. All I can say is I’m Duane Patterson, and I am a conservative. Or should be be Yo me llamo Duane Patterson, y yo soy conservador.

Unfortunately I took four years of French in high school.

Myron Falwell on November 7, 2012 at 2:45 PM

Lulz @ people discussing 2016.

Let’s try and surive 2012/2013 first.

Norwegian on November 7, 2012 at 2:47 PM

Well, we could rubberstamp everything he wants and let it all fail dramatically. :(

People will suffer.

DeathtotheSwiss on November 7, 2012 at 2:49 PM

The Democratic party will not run Joe Biden as the nominee in 2016.

Do you have to crush our hopes already?

HitNRun on November 7, 2012 at 3:06 PM

PS, these are all positive steps that we should take, but the premise that it will help make significant inroads with Latinos is nonsense.

Some Latinos are as dumb as their white counterparts – see: the half of Cubans who voted for Obama – but more specifically Latinos are just a bad political culture that produces bad results.

Note when I say “bad” I’m not making a value judgment, I’m speaking objectively about the entire steaming pile of continent between the Rio Grand and Antarctica.

You may say then that we’re doomed. To which I say: so we are. There’s no sense in pandering any further (besides common sense outreach) though. The only thing GOP pandering does is stretch out the consequences and ensure that Republican officeholders take the blame for them.

HitNRun on November 7, 2012 at 3:13 PM

Um, could you say that in Chinese please?

Perhaps we should have run Hunstman?

kringeesmom on November 7, 2012 at 3:21 PM

Best case scenario is they run HRC in 2016. But getting control of the Senate in 2014 must be the #1 priority, and we need to start now.

alwaysfiredup on November 7, 2012 at 3:35 PM

Like I said before. Have the House GOP give Obama everything he wants. Everything. Let him burn the country to the ground and have liberalism laid bare for all to see. Mock the coal miners in Pennsylvania who lose their jobs. Laugh at the gays who are unemployed and can’t afford a marriage ceremony. Point at those still on welfare 3 years on who complain that they cannot get a job. Ignore seniors who complain they cannot get the treatment they need because of IPAB. Shrug at the parents when they complain about their kids still not getting an education.

Zaggs on November 7, 2012 at 3:55 PM

The polls
The media
The Bureau of Labor Statistics
The weather
The 47%
Demographics

plewis on November 7, 2012 at 3:59 PM

Zaggs on November 7, 2012 at 3:55 PM

based on yesterday’s results, blame for doing that will only fall back on the GOP…

the GOP has 3 years to analyze and correct…trying to stick to facts and avoiding the “duck/dodge/weave” apparently doesn’t work with our electorate.

teejk on November 7, 2012 at 4:53 PM

The Idea that is America is no longer popular here.

We’re dealing with youth that never rode a bike without a helmet, never drank water that wasn’t in a bottle, never got a spanking because the school told them they could call the police on their parents.

Essentially were dealing with a generation that cannot fend for themselves anymore.

Natural Selection has been bypassed and we now have the Terminally Stupid surviving and even receiving documentation declaring them smart. (See an Xxxxx Studies Degree for an explanation of this.)

For the last 236 years we have argued over which route to take going to the Same Destination.
Last Night’s vote was a declaration to go to Somewhere Else.

jaydee_007 on November 7, 2012 at 5:05 PM

Well, we could rubberstamp everything he wants and let it all fail dramatically. :(

People will suffer.

DeathtotheSwiss on November 7, 2012 at 2:49 PM

And, strictly politically, that would be awful because the Dems could then say, “But this was bipartisan! We ALL thought it would work!”

Washington Nearsider on November 7, 2012 at 5:15 PM

Well, we could rubberstamp everything he wants and let it all fail dramatically. :(

People will suffer.

DeathtotheSwiss on November 7, 2012 at 2:49 PM

So we should be enablers of Cloward-Piven? CP is what they want, and they will be the ones promising to save the populace when it all falls down. “Burn, baby, burn” does nothing to help our cause–quite the opposite.

stvnscott on November 7, 2012 at 5:17 PM

Good point.

DeathtotheSwiss on November 7, 2012 at 5:18 PM

Points.I dunno. Aside from trying to treat this like Bill Clinton and Newt Gingrich, I dunno what to do.

DeathtotheSwiss on November 7, 2012 at 5:19 PM

Like I said before. Have the House GOP give Obama everything he wants. Everything. Let him burn the country to the ground and have liberalism laid bare for all to see. Mock the coal miners in Pennsylvania who lose their jobs. Laugh at the gays who are unemployed and can’t afford a marriage ceremony. Point at those still on welfare 3 years on who complain that they cannot get a job. Ignore seniors who complain they cannot get the treatment they need because of IPAB. Shrug at the parents when they complain about their kids still not getting an education.

Zaggs on November 7, 2012 at 3:55 PM

Then the liberal media and the left will blame the House GOP. They will never allow liberalism or Obama to take the blame for anything.

TarheelBen on November 7, 2012 at 5:30 PM

Yo me llamo Duane Patterson, y yo soy conservador.

Very good column, and I agree. And just to demonstrate how much I agree (wouldn’t do this normally) here’s just a small help as we all (me included) continue to improve our outreach: the “yo”s are superfluous. This says “I am, me, Duane Patterson, and me, I am a conservative.”

Muchas gracias. Me llamo Eviva, y soy una conservadora también.

Eviva on November 7, 2012 at 5:34 PM

Like I said before. Have the House GOP give Obama everything he wants. Everything. Let him burn the country to the ground and have liberalism laid bare for all to see. Mock the coal miners in Pennsylvania who lose their jobs. Laugh at the gays who are unemployed and can’t afford a marriage ceremony. Point at those still on welfare 3 years on who complain that they cannot get a job. Ignore seniors who complain they cannot get the treatment they need because of IPAB. Shrug at the parents when they complain about their kids still not getting an education.

Zaggs on November 7, 2012 at 3:55 PM

Yes. I think every single time I can I’m going to remind people if they do or do not have to comply with Obamacare. Like hey, Chuck (brother/teacher/waiver/Obama supporter) it really stinks to hear mom has to find insurnance she can’t afford for two years before medicare kicks in, hey? Oh that’s right you don’t have to worry about that stuff. That’s peasent stuff. You teachers have waivers. Lucky. You’d have to pay that cadilac tax if you didn’t have the waiver. Good thing unions get special treatment from Obama.

If an Obama voter loses a job I’m gonna say go get yourself some SNAP and an Obama phone. You know he’s got your back. You don’t need to work.

If FEMA screws over the NYC and NJ crowd. Oh well, you don’t expect Barry to suck it up with a straw do you?

This might be fun in a purely evil and what’s that word… oh yeah, “revenge” sort of way.

magicbeans on November 7, 2012 at 5:38 PM

Under Obama, women and men will finally receive equal pay since we’ll all be unemployed.

Smoothies on November 7, 2012 at 5:40 PM

Then the liberal media and the left will blame the House GOP. They will never allow liberalism or Obama to take the blame for anything.

TarheelBen on November 7, 2012 at 5:30 PM

They can’t blame the GOP for letting them have what they ask for. They can blame them for obstruction and not letting them realise the full potential of all thier super duper ideas. Give them all of it and watch it burn. Then when they notice their house is on fire we bring a hose 2016.

magicbeans on November 7, 2012 at 5:44 PM

Yo, I agree.

faraway on November 7, 2012 at 5:46 PM

For the last 236 years we have argued over which route to take going to the Same Destination.
Last Night’s vote was a declaration to go to Somewhere Else.

jaydee_007 on November 7, 2012 at 5:05 PM

Sad to say I think this is correct.

SoRight on November 7, 2012 at 6:02 PM

For the last 236 years we have argued over which route to take going to the Same Destination.
Last Night’s vote was a declaration to go to Somewhere Else.

jaydee_007 on November 7, 2012 at 5:05 PM

We made this choice 4 years ago. You’re boiling now.

faraway on November 7, 2012 at 6:05 PM

The problem with the “let them have what they want” approach is that, as others have mentioned, the electorate, coaxed along by the MSM, will never connect those dots. All it will take is Barry constantly complaining about “Republican Obstructionism” to convince people that it’s still the right’s fault.

Remember, most people can’t identify the three branches of government. They don’t even know that the legislature is bicameral and they’re a damn sight away from knowing who’s in charge of anything. They believe what the media tells them, without question.

SoRight on November 7, 2012 at 6:05 PM

What we need is to go into cities and round up as many non-voters as the Democrats do and get them to the polls with Republican voting cards.

Count to 10 on November 7, 2012 at 6:48 PM

They can’t blame the GOP for letting them have what they ask for. They can blame them for obstruction and not letting them realise the full potential of all thier super duper ideas. Give them all of it and watch it burn. Then when they notice their house is on fire we bring a hose 2016.

magicbeans on November 7, 2012 at 5:44 PM

They can and they will.

the electorate, coaxed along by the MSM, will never connect those dots. All it will take is Barry constantly complaining about “Republican Obstructionism” to convince people that it’s still the right’s fault. Remember, most people can’t identify the three branches of government.
They believe what the media tells them, without question.

SoRight on November 7, 2012 at 6:05 PM

S. D. on November 7, 2012 at 6:59 PM

Then the liberal media and the left will blame the House GOP. They will never allow liberalism or Obama to take the blame for anything.

TarheelBen on November 7, 2012 at 5:30 PM

Rush has said that even if (ever) the time comes that the Dems throw Obama aside, they will do everything within their power to protect that liberal ideology at all costs.

PatriotGal2257 on November 7, 2012 at 7:11 PM

Who? Zero?

Who is John Galt on November 7, 2012 at 7:55 PM

Then the liberal media and the left will blame the House GOP. They will never allow liberalism or Obama to take the blame for anything.

TarheelBen

But thats the trap for the liberals. That can only happen at the very end. But before that, it will be about how Obama brought about bipartisanship. How the GOP decided to start working with him. But when it all goes wrong, it will be too late. People will remember.

Zaggs on November 7, 2012 at 7:57 PM

A quick note on Hispanics.

Yes, we CAN make real inroads among Hispanics. We probably cannot turn them into a swing vote in a single election cycle, but even a ten percent improvement would have made winning this election a lot easier.

Let me put it to you this way, we get up to 40% of the Hispanic vote in Texas, and we do pretty well with the Cuban American vote in Florida. This is proof that we, CAN improve among this demographic, and we must do so.

We’ve also got to improve our performance among young voters. Better integration of libertarian principals into the parties DNA would help immensely. Also we have to do something about universities, I have no idea what, but they essentially indoctrinate young voters, and it takes years to repair that damage.

WolvenOne on November 8, 2012 at 12:02 AM

They believe what the media tells them, without question.

SoRight on November 7, 2012 at 6:05 PM

bloody infuriating…

cmsinaz on November 8, 2012 at 6:56 AM

funny, the gop have more hispanic leaders in government than dems and we need to make inroads?

cmsinaz on November 8, 2012 at 6:57 AM

Fuggedaboudit.

There’s no hope now for the GOP, period.

The Supreme Court will be in liberal hands for the next generation. The 2nd amendment as well as the 1st Amendment will be history.

Don’t try denial; I know you will, but as we like to say, you are entitled to your own “opinion” but denial won’t change the facts. The Republican Party is officially dead, and no amount of “message” tweaks will change that one unassailable fact of life.

The only way we can “win” except in particular districts is to become the Democrats. And, what’s the point of that?

The Democrats have it; we’re a one party country now, and there’s no “making inroads” in a nation that is officially THE UNITED WELFARE STATES OF AMERICA.

We are GREECE, only bigger.

And, we will follow the very same trajectory that Greece is following; only we will suffer bigger because we will have to face the loss of the dollar as the world’s reserve currency.

Buckle up, it’s going to be a bumpy ride down off the cliff. And we’re all going for the ride, like it or not.

mountainaires on November 8, 2012 at 7:22 AM

WolvenOne on November 8, 2012 at 12:02 AM

The GOP has more party leaders who are hispanic/latino, and more women who are party leaders than the Democrats. They were on display at the GOP convention–which democrats didn’t watch so we were just singing to the choir.

Americans want their Obama Money.

That’s the bottom line.

So, either the GOP promises MORE STUFF to voters, or we will lose.

We are a welfare nation now; there’s a reason Obama made it so easy for people to get on welfare, unemployment and disability, you know. He spent our tax dollars to get himself re-elected. And it worked quite well.

What’s the GOP going to counter that with: Our Values?

In a CELEBRITY ADDICTED SOCIETY, where the President speaks to voters via Entertainment Tonite, and no one wants to hear about policy, only what color he likes, and voters are so dumbed down and low information, then “policy” doesn’t matter, it’s all about the optics. We’re shallow, stupid, and propagandized in this country by a media that is collaborating with ONE party in a criminal conspiracy to destroy our democratic republic and our Constitution.

It’s sickening. But it’s the reality.

Somebody said this country hasn’t suffered enough yet; the people haven’t hit bottom yet. I think that’s absolutely true; but it will take a very long time for that to happen, and when it does happen, it will happen in a flash, and no one can really predict a timeline.

We’re going to be spending $1 TRILLION a year on interest on our debt by the end of Obama’s 2nd term.

Maybe that will be the tipping point, but it will be too late for Republicans to make the case that we might have avoided it if only we’d acted earlier. People who are in shock and grief and loss don’t want to hear about austerity measures. Ask the greeks.

mountainaires on November 8, 2012 at 7:33 AM

Like I said before. Have the House GOP give Obama everything he wants. Everything. Let him burn the country to the ground and have liberalism laid bare for all to see. Mock the coal miners in Pennsylvania who lose their jobs. Laugh at the gays who are unemployed and can’t afford a marriage ceremony. Point at those still on welfare 3 years on who complain that they cannot get a job. Ignore seniors who complain they cannot get the treatment they need because of IPAB. Shrug at the parents when they complain about their kids still not getting an education.

Zaggs on November 7, 2012 at 3:55 PM

Well, the Republicans could put up some token resistance, leading to the impression that they were doing everything in their power to block Obama’s plans, then they could roll at the end and give him what he wants. Then Obama would have to own it.

Wait a minute…that plan sounds familiar…

moo on November 8, 2012 at 7:48 AM

Let’s throw this skunk out on the table. The thing that has changed and even made the country viable again after the civil war is race. Politics is one thing blood is another. There is no such thing as a melting pot that can blend it. We will inevitably Balkanize.

Look at history. Look at the present. Language is the one great uniting trait. We are beginning to lose that in a big way. It’s only a small step from there to enclaves and conflict. The U.S. as it exists now will not last another two generations.

bluesdoc70 on November 8, 2012 at 8:12 AM

Our future is like watching a smiling know it all teenager stepping into life and throwing you the finger as they step away and knowing they will be back, dirty, broke, and begging.

mixplix on November 8, 2012 at 8:25 AM

MSM – that’s got to be ground zero in the LONG TERM fight. And the key to that fight is corporate ownership. Fox News will always be demonized as the right-wing outsider so long as it’s the ONLY non-leftist major media outlet.

The next step has to be to get another major voice. The easiest way to do this is by a corporate takeover of one of the major networks. ABC and NBC would be too hard, but CBS is an independent corporation (technically, the network is owned by it’s parent – CBS Corp). Of course that includes the entertainment as well as news divisions.

happi on November 8, 2012 at 8:44 AM

We will now finally get to see what “Fundamental Change” means, and I don’t think it will be good. The left has set the House up so that if it fights ANYTHING Obamao wants, they will be seen as “obstructionist” (sounds vaguely Soviet, doesn’t it?) and the reason Obama can’t turn things around. The GOP is in a Catch-22.

The fact is, as others have said, that we are what we are as a country. Our culture will be tested. The only good thing I can see is that it took hippies to produce yuppies. But that hope’s tempered by the reality that the personal values that built this country are no longer popular, and popularity rules all.

Here in Missouri, the President won THREE COUNTIES and the City of St. Louis. That’s IT. Four out of 114! I think it’s time Red State America starts looking at a way to consolidate power. It’s a first step that needs to be made, if only to send a signal. We will continue to be marginalized by the Federal Government as our power continues to weaken. Some day, the Middle of the Country will probably have to stand on its own…they have the money, we have the food…and the USA will devolve into a Commonwealth of three nations; Hispania (NW, AZ, CA, WA, OR, NV) Megalopolis (NEeast), and the rest: Capitol City in St. Joseph, MO. Look at the map…WE no longer have a voice comensurate with our worth. I’m ready if you are!

Kenz on November 8, 2012 at 12:11 PM

blah,blah,blah

Admitting reality would be sucking up to the FACT that this country is already dead, and will be rolling over shortly.

And psst, dem and rep are just two heads of the same evil snake.

sablegsd on November 8, 2012 at 1:54 PM

Why Hispanics Don’t Vote for Republicans
By Heather Mac Donald
November 7, 2012 12:20 P.M.
National Review Online

The call for Republicans to discard their opposition to immigration amnesty will grow deafening in the wake of President Obama’s victory. Hispanics supported Obama by a margin of nearly 75 percent to 25 percent, and may have provided important margins in some swing states. If only Republicans relented on their Neanderthal views regarding the immigration rule of law, the message will run, they would release the inner Republican waiting to emerge in the Hispanic population.

If Republicans want to change their stance on immigration, they should do so on the merits, not out of a belief that only immigration policy stands between them and a Republican Hispanic majority. It is not immigration policy that creates the strong bond between Hispanics and the Democratic party, but the core Democratic principles of a more generous safety net, strong government intervention in the economy, and progressive taxation. Hispanics will prove to be even more decisive in the victory of Governor Jerry Brown’s Proposition 30, which raised upper-income taxes and the sales tax, than in the Obama election.

And California is the wave of the future. A March 2011 poll by Moore Information found that Republican economic policies were a stronger turn-off for Hispanic voters in California than Republican positions on illegal immigration. Twenty-nine percent of Hispanic voters were suspicious of the Republican party on class-warfare grounds — “it favors only the rich”; “Republicans are selfish and out for themselves”; “Republicans don’t represent the average person”– compared with 7 percent who objected to Republican immigration stances.

I spoke last year with John Echeveste, founder of the oldest Latino marketing firm in southern California, about Hispanic politics. “What Republicans mean by ‘family values’ and what Hispanics mean are two completely different things,” he said. “We are a very compassionate people, we care about other people and understand that government has a role to play in helping people.”

And a strong reason for that support for big government is that so many Hispanics use government programs. U.S.-born Hispanic households in California use welfare programs at twice the rate of native-born non-Hispanic households. And that is because nearly one-quarter of all Hispanics are poor in California, compared to a little over one-tenth of non-Hispanics. Nearly seven in ten poor children in the state are Hispanic, and one in three Hispanic children is poor, compared to less than one in six non-Hispanic children. One can see that disparity in classrooms across the state, which are chock full of social workers and teachers’ aides trying to boost Hispanic educational performance.

The idea of the “social issues” Hispanic voter is also a mirage. A majority of Hispanics now support gay marriage, a Pew Research Center poll from last month found. The Hispanic out-of-wedlock birth rate is 53 percent, about twice that of whites.

The demographic changes set into motion by official and de facto immigration policy favoring low-skilled over high-skilled immigrants mean that a Republican party that purports to stand for small government and free markets faces an uncertain future.

ConservativeLA on November 9, 2012 at 3:06 PM