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The awkward moment for NBC reporters

posted at 9:17 pm on November 5, 2012 by

This comes pretty far down into a pox-upon-both-houses piece from the New York Times on shrill partisanship at Fox and MSNBC during the election cycle.  The article starts by hitting Fox but quickly notes that MSNBC is even worse, and at least Fox has been forcing other media outlets to cover the questions about Benghazi that they seemed happy to ignore.  The NYT doesn’t even credit MSNBC for any news value at all, and describes the apparent embarrassment of their network colleagues across the virtual hallway:

MSNBC, whose programs are hosted by a new crop of extravagant partisans like Mr. Bashir, Mr. Sharpton and Lawrence O’Donnell, has tested the limits of good taste this year. Mr. O’Donnell was forced to apologize in April after describing the Mormon Church as nothing more than a scheme cooked up by a man who “got caught having sex with the maid and explained to his wife that God told him to do it.”

The channel’s hosts recycle talking points handed out by the Obama campaign, even using them as titles for program segments, like Mr. Bashir did recently with a segment he called “Romnesia,” referring to Mr. Obama’s term to explain his opponent’s shifting positions.

The hosts insult and mock, like Alex Wagner did in recently describing Mr. Romney’s trip overseas as “National Lampoon’s European Vacation” — a line she borrowed from an Obama spokeswoman. Mr. Romney was not only hapless, Ms. Wagner said, he also looked “disheveled” and “a little bit sweaty” in a recent appearance….

Such stridency has put NBC News journalists who cover Republicans in awkward and compromised positions, several people who work for the network said. To distance themselves from their sister channel, they have started taking steps to reassure Republican sources, like pointing out that they are reporting for NBC programs like “Today” and “Nightly News” — not for MSNBC.

If NBC reporters recognize that MSNBC hurts their credibility as journalists, why can’t the NBC News division figure it out?

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Such stridency has put NBC News journalists who cover Republicans in awkward and compromised positions, several people who work for the network said. To distance themselves from their sister channel, they have started taking steps to reassure Republican sources, like pointing out that they are reporting for NBC programs like “Today” and “Nightly News” — not for MSNBC.

Well I hope no one in the GOP falls for that shit. They may “report” for those other shows, but you can be CERTAIN they are loony leftists just the same as their peers on MS-DNC. There isn’t a person at that network one could call a “journalist” with a straight face. I wouldn’t talk to a single one of them. Ever. Screw ‘em.

Rational Thought on November 5, 2012 at 9:27 PM

The NYT is in an already cracked glass house to be throwing stones at anybody.

As for NBC and MSNBC, they are one in the same and should be treated as such.

Daemonocracy on November 5, 2012 at 9:27 PM

This comes pretty far down into a pox-upon-both-houses piece from the New York Times

If – Heaven forbid – you’re ever interred in a concentration camp, and the only “news” sources available to you are propaganda, ignore the headlines and the first and last few paragraphs.

The middle of an article is called the “graveyard,” that’s where where they bury the critical stuff that proves their meme wrong. If anybody questions them they can always draw big red arrows pointing to it, but it’s never presented in a way that will ever penetrate the skulls of their target audience.

logis on November 5, 2012 at 9:34 PM

Such stridency has put NBC News journalists who cover Republicans in awkward and compromised positions, several people who work for the network said. To distance themselves from their sister channel, they have started taking steps to reassure Republican sources, like pointing out that they are reporting for NBC programs like “Today” and “Nightly News” — not for MSNBC.

And Republicans said in unison, they’re only slightly better.

hawkdriver on November 5, 2012 at 9:36 PM

Such stridency has put NBC News journalists who cover Republicans in awkward and compromised positions, several people who work for the network said. To distance themselves from their sister channel, they have started taking steps to reassure Republican sources, like pointing out that they are reporting for NBC programs like “Today” and “Nightly News” — not for MSNBC.

If NBC reporters recognize that MSNBC hurts their credibility as journalists, why can’t the NBC News division figure it out?

Because MSNBC embodies exactly what the NBC News division believes in – everyone from Brian Williams to Matt Laurer to Chuck Todd. Credibility be damned – MSNBC is a part of Comcast’s worthless “trash TV” cable net division, alongside E! and Bravo.

Even Microsoft saw how poisonous the MSNBC brand is, and forced NBC News to re-brand msnbc.com to nbcnews.com earlier this year. They want no part of 30 Pravda Rock.

Myron Falwell on November 5, 2012 at 9:42 PM

Wow the NY Times, with the stones to point fingers at other “News” organisations.

Kjeil on November 5, 2012 at 9:42 PM

Last night was a real doozy on MSBNC. The theme of the day was Paul Ryan avoiding local interviews the past month. Rather than draw the obvious conclusion, that he has no time given the huge rallies he is speaking at, they spent the whole night talking about one crappy interview he did with a very partisan reporter. On top of this Maddow went on about some nonexistent rift between the Romney and Ryan “camps” that even Steve Schmidt called ridiculous to Maddow’s consternation.

Rocks on November 5, 2012 at 9:42 PM

Bless their hearts, the New York Times is whining about media partisanship like they’re some disinterested observer standing outside of it.

I just threw up a little.

Gator Country on November 5, 2012 at 9:51 PM

Don’t watch 24hr cable news anymore. So much junk.

lexhamfox on November 5, 2012 at 10:15 PM

Such stridency has put NBC News journalists who cover Republicans in awkward and compromised positions, several people who work for the network said. To distance themselves from their sister channel, they have started taking steps to reassure Republican sources, like pointing out that they are reporting for NBC programs like “Today” and “Nightly News” — not for MSNBC.

All the proof you need to know Romney will win. Otherwise, why bother making the distinction?

“Oh, we’re not part of them, you see. We’ve always been fair and balanced…”

BobMbx on November 5, 2012 at 10:18 PM

If NBC reporters recognize that MSNBC hurts their credibility as journalists, why can’t the NBC News division figure it out?

Because the bigwigs realize it’s PART OF THEIR BASE.

GarandFan on November 5, 2012 at 10:19 PM

To distance themselves from their sister channel, they have started taking steps to reassure Republican sources, like pointing out that they are reporting for NBC programs like “Today” and “Nightly News” — not for MSNBC.

Hopefully Fox News reporters are just as embarrassed by Fox entertainment programming.

They ought to be.

itsnotaboutme on November 5, 2012 at 10:21 PM

Well I hope no one in the GOP falls for that shit. They may “report” for those other shows, but you can be CERTAIN they are loony leftists just the same as their peers on MS-DNC. There isn’t a person at that network one could call a “journalist” with a straight face. I wouldn’t talk to a single one of them. Ever. Screw ‘em.

Rational Thought on November 5, 2012 at 9:27 PM

That’s some fairly rational thinking there.

HiJack on November 5, 2012 at 10:27 PM

“It wasn’t us…….. It was those guys over there………… We’re the good guys- hey sorry about that Benghazi coverup thingy”

Hmmm………

FlaMurph on November 5, 2012 at 10:38 PM

If – Heaven forbid – you’re ever interred in a concentration camp

If I’m interred, I don’t really think I’ll be doing much reading – unless the Dems try to reanimate me and give me a ballot to cast.

mrsknightley on November 5, 2012 at 10:45 PM

Doesn’t Comcast own NBC now ?

J_Crater on November 5, 2012 at 10:53 PM

Maybe the Stalinists at the NYT should look in the mirror before they throw bricks. If they think they will get credit form a wayward mention of what every thinking person already knows is going on, they are wrong.

woodNfish on November 5, 2012 at 11:31 PM

Hopefully Fox News reporters are just as embarrassed by Fox entertainment programming.

They ought to be.

itsnotaboutme on November 5, 2012 at 10:21 PM

Who on FOX is crazy as O’DOnnell, challenging one of the candidate’s children to a fist fight? You have Maddow, who is respectable, and Schultz, who is sort of like Hannity on the left. The others are insane.

Ted Torgerson on November 5, 2012 at 11:31 PM

NBC News is not overt about it, but their coverage is absolutely as biased. When contempt was filed on Eric Holder over withholding subpoenaed documents for nearly a year in the Fast & Furious investigation, those who get their news only from NBC said, “What?” because in all that time the scandal had been mentioned once in a 20-second report.

Benghazi? What’s that?

MSNBC just doesn’t bother to hide their beliefs.

Myron Falwell on November 5, 2012 at 9:42 PM

Just so.

Adjoran on November 5, 2012 at 11:45 PM

All the proof you need to know Romney will win. Otherwise, why bother making the distinction?

“Oh, we’re not part of them, you see. We’ve always been fair and balanced…”

BobMbx on November 5, 2012 at 10:18 PM

Roger that, Bob.

DevilsPrinciple on November 5, 2012 at 11:54 PM

Brian Williams and Matt Lauer and other NBC “reporters” (Is that an oxymoron?) are only a half step away in their covering for Obama from their MSNBC counterparts. They’re just more subtle about it.

Christian Conservative on November 6, 2012 at 12:00 AM

Who on FOX is crazy as O’DOnnell, challenging one of the candidate’s children to a fist fight? You have Maddow, who is respectable, and Schultz, who is sort of like Hannity on the left. The others are insane.

Ted Torgerson on November 5, 2012 at 11:31 PM

Madcow respectable?? hahahaha

Schultz like Hannity of the LEFT? When was the last time Hannity wished a Democrat would die of cancer or a heart attack?

Or suggest democrats want to make money on dead bodies?

Or call a liberal a “whore?”

Raquel Pinkbullet on November 6, 2012 at 12:05 AM

Hopefully Fox News reporters are just as embarrassed by Fox entertainment programming.

They ought to be.

itsnotaboutme on November 5, 2012 at 10:21 PM

You mean like the Simpsons, Family Guy?? That are far left hate fests?

Raquel Pinkbullet on November 6, 2012 at 12:06 AM

I hope they all get fired. Every last one of the treasonous b@st@rds and b!tches. They ‘re as complicit in the murders of those Americans in Benghazi as Obama is with Hillary. And if you believe that they’re not, notice the response from the American government or lack thereof.

Lord knows I shouldn’t hate them, but……..

Unforgivable…despicable….evil incarnate

DevilsPrinciple on November 6, 2012 at 12:06 AM

These people who criticize FOX as being partisan obviously never watch the channel bcuz I can’t even watch it half the time especially in prime time. They’ve never seen all the partisan boorish leftie hacks FOX viewers have to put up with like Bob Beckel, Juahiny Williams, Alan Colmes, Tamara Holder, Kirsten Powers (and she is a leftist partisan), Joe Trippi–shall I continue? And I’m sure I’m leaving out some real sniveling partisan leftist that I can’t stand to listen who can’t shut up and let others guests talk or who’s so lame I say what they’re going to say when they’re being introduced and lo and behold, they then say it. And I get tired of some of same old lame old righties they have on as well.

stukinIL4now on November 6, 2012 at 12:28 AM

Roger that, Bob.

DevilsPrinciple on November 5, 2012 at 11:54 PM

By Jove, I think I see what you did there, old chap…

Mary in LA on November 6, 2012 at 1:47 AM

To distance themselves from their sister channel, they have started taking steps to reassure Republican sources, like pointing out that they are reporting for NBC programs like “Today” and “Nightly News” — not for MSNBC.

Hopefully Fox News reporters are just as embarrassed by Fox entertainment programming.

They ought to be.

itsnotaboutme on November 5, 2012 at 10:21 PM

You mean like the Simpsons, Family Guy?? That are far left hate fests?

Raquel Pinkbullet on November 6, 2012 at 12:06 AM

Besides that, so much celebration of fornication, profanity, homosexuality, rebellion, lust, narcissism, & hostility to Christianity.

itsnotaboutme on November 6, 2012 at 6:10 AM

Even Microsoft saw how poisonous the MSNBC brand is, and forced NBC News to re-brand msnbc.com to nbcnews.com earlier this year. They want no part of 30 Pravda Rock.

Myron Falwell on November 5, 2012 at 9:42 PM

You know you’re really bad when the slimy bastards that run Microsoft don’t want to be associated with you.

Wasn’t it NBC that staged that phony truck fire years ago? I went looking for the video of the “journalists” having to apologize on the air (because it does my heart good to see it) but I could not find it.

Odysseus on November 6, 2012 at 7:12 AM

Fox started with a great vision – appeal to the conservative base that is American
Fox strayed from that and does need to tone it down just a hair
so that independants don’t tune them out
the news portion is balanced
some of the talking shows are not

I watch a lot of Fox

I’d take Tucker Carlson over Sean Hannity any day
Sean is a blow hard – too black and white extremist
He sensationalizes everything for his ratings
if I hear “dirty air and dirty water, kids with down syndrome” again I am going to puke
Almost as bad as “the worst recession since the great depression”

O’Reilly is full of himself
much prefer when Laura Ingram is on

Greta gives too much credence to irrelevant sources
Donald Trump anyone?

The Five rocks except they need to replace the two liberal blowhards Beckel and Juan Williams with objective liberals who can make their points without shouting over everyone

Huckabee – very conservative but not an attack dog

at least they cover the news
Fast and Furious
Benghazi
Debt Crisis

audiotom on November 6, 2012 at 8:16 AM

stukinIL4now on November 6, 2012 at 12:28 AM

You left out Geraldo and the most embarrassing, although not far Left, Shep Smith.
Fox does lean Right no doubt but they do try to present some of the other side which is way more than MSNBC and NBC. ABC makes an attempt as does CNN…once in a while. And even CBS has its moments, after they seemed to see the light a bit.

Deanna on November 6, 2012 at 8:23 AM

To distance themselves from their sister channel, they have started taking steps to reassure Republican sources, like pointing out that they are reporting for NBC programs like “Today” and “Nightly News” — not for MSNBC.

Hopefully Fox News reporters are just as embarrassed by Fox entertainment programming.

They ought to be.

itsnotaboutme on November 5, 2012 at 10:21 PM

At least Fox has seperate News and Entertainment divisions. At NBC the News and Entertainment divisions are one and the same.

Nomas on November 6, 2012 at 8:29 AM

they have started taking steps to reassure Republican sources, like pointing out that they are reporting for NBC programs like “Today-ish” and “Nightly Slightly News”

That seems a bit more accurate. Truth be told I dumped my cable package months ago and have not suffered one whit. I can get all of the programming I enjoy online and usually skip all commercials.

I used to get mad at having to pay a fee that allowed them to dump in the channels nobody would agree to pay for on their own. I figure I’d rather pay for the whole internet and then add the subscriptions I want.

Happy election day everyone. Keep strong and keep positive. Something wonderful is going to happen in America today and you are all making it happen.

CitizenEgg on November 6, 2012 at 8:30 AM

Only fevered aholes watch MSNBC.

Bishop on November 6, 2012 at 8:30 AM

Just a reminder that it was NBC and Andrea Mitchell that doctored the video of Mitt’s WaWa’s comment, not MSNBC.

Flange on November 6, 2012 at 8:53 AM

Name ONE NBC reporter who’s CREDIBLE anymore.

Name ONE.

Brian Williams is no longer credible; he long ago jumped into the Obama Kool-Aid Pool. His most recent attacks on Rush Limbaugh don’t make him “credible” as a journalist; his most recent interview with Obama exposed his partisanship quite clearly; not that he hadn’t already exposed his lack of professionalism and ethics as a journalist. He had well and truly already revealed himself as not credible.

Who else is there at NBC? Anyone? Buehler?

So this qualifies as the ironic understatement of the year:

If NBC reporters recognize that MSNBC hurts their credibility as journalists, why can’t the NBC News division figure it out?

MSNBC IS NBC. NBC is COMCAST.

All three are loathesome, despicable and corrupt.

mountainaires on November 6, 2012 at 8:57 AM

stukinIL4now

This Nails It:

These people who criticize FOX as being partisan obviously never watch the channel bcuz I can’t even watch it half the time especially in prime time. They’ve never seen all the partisan boorish leftie hacks FOX viewers have to put up with like Bob Beckel, Juahiny Williams, Alan Colmes, Tamara Holder, Kirsten Powers (and she is a leftist partisan), Joe Trippi–shall I continue? And I’m sure I’m leaving out some real sniveling partisan leftist that I can’t stand to listen who can’t shut up and let others guests talk or who’s so lame I say what they’re going to say when they’re being introduced and lo and behold, they then say it. And I get tired of some of same old lame old righties they have on as well.

stukinIL4now on November 6, 2012 at 12:28 AM

Actually, I am fed up with Fox. Even Cavuto! Even O’Reilly–who talks like a damn leftist these days.

It’s clear that Aisles has implemented a new policy of “more lefties” and it’s really ruining Fox News. For the past few years, there has been so much coverage of Obama’s speeches, I thought I was watching MSNBC! And, they’re so “friendly” to leftists on Fox now that this morning, we were treated to Robert Gibbs for almost a full 10 minutes, spewing his lies.

As a former reporter, I realize what Aisles et. al is doing. They’re trying to draw in more independent viewers, and simultaneously steal viewers from CNN and MSNBC. Perhaps it’s working, but there is a POINT AT WHICH A TILT OCCURS and Fox starts losing conservative viewers [like me!] who aren’t willing to sit through the same crap we see on CNN and MSNBC.

When people decide to stop being force-fed LEFTIST TALKING POINTS at Fox News, they’ll desert Fox News.

It’s one thing to have a “fair and balanced” debate; it’s quite another to give air time to people like Robert Gibbs for their lies; or Barack Obama for his speeches. That’s more than some of us will put up with.

mountainaires on November 6, 2012 at 9:08 AM

Hopefully Fox News reporters are just as embarrassed by Fox entertainment programming.

They ought to be.

itsnotaboutme on November 5, 2012 at 10:21 PM

Wow, if you don’t can’t tell the difference between NBC/MSNBC and FNC/Fox, maybe you should change your name to itsnotaboutminds.

Nutstuyu on November 6, 2012 at 10:01 AM

And I’m sure I’m leaving out some real sniveling partisan leftist that I can’t stand to listen who can’t shut up and let others guests talk or who’s so lame I say what they’re going to say when they’re being introduced and lo and behold, they then say it. And I get tired of some of same old lame old righties they have on as well.

stukinIL4now on November 6, 2012 at 12:28 AM

Don’t forget the lovely and talented “Dr.” Lamont Hill who acts like a billigerant 5 year old every time he’s on O’Reilly’s show.

Nutstuyu on November 6, 2012 at 10:03 AM

NBC News has already been fatally wounded by MSNBC; there is no possibility of regaining the reputation it had before the death of Tim Russert.

Tom Brokaw may understand this; but Brian Williams is part of the suicide pact.

I will put a bullet or at least a shoe through my TV screen before I watch NBC News. I almost decided not to watch the London Olympics because it was on NBC. I do not even watch the local news on the NBC affiliate in my city.

J Baustian on November 6, 2012 at 12:50 PM