Newt Gingrich: The Party’s Over?
posted at 10:26 am on January 25, 2012 by Karl
Jazz Shaw notes that Andrew Sullivan and Dr. James Joyner are getting a bit overwrought over the possibility that Newt Gingrich might become the GOP presidential nominee. First, Sullivan:
This now is the party of Palin and Gingrich, animated primarily by hatred of elites, angry at the new shape and color of America, befuddled by a suddenly more complicated world, and dedicated primarily to emotion rather than reason. That party is simply not one that can rally behind a Mitt Romney.
Then Joyner:
If Newt Gingrich wins the Republican nomination–a notion that seemed absurd to anyone not named Newt Gingrich two weeks ago–the trend will have reached its logical conclusion. And the GOP will be where the Democratic Party was during the period from 1968 to 1988, a niche party out of touch with America and unable to win the presidency in anything but the most exceptional circumstances. Obama-Gingrich would likely be a landslide akin to 1984 and 1988.
Jazz does a nice job of explaining why the fight over the direction of a political party never really ends. However, what struck me was how superficial the complaints are in the first instance.
Granted, Sullivan’s intellect has been decaying for a long time. Even so, one would think it might have occurred to him that his basic indictment of the GOP sounds pretty much like every Democratic hack’s indictment of the GOP in every election cycle since the Sixties. Perhaps Sullivan would argue that every Democratic hack has been correct about the GOP since the Sixties, but even that lazy assumption would be problematic. In the immediate term, it destroys his argument that the prominence of figures like Palin or Gingrich represent something new for the GOP. More broadly, the notion that the right has some monopoly on populist anger is absurd, given the portion of the newshole given over to the Occupy movement over the past several months. Similarly, the notion that liberals are immune from magical thinking is more magical thinking from Sullivan. Indeed, the notion that Andrew Sullivan, one of the most high-profile and hysterical conspiracy cranks on the Internet, has the gall to throw stones in this context is a laugher.
Joyner, generally a more sane voice than Sullivan, unfortunately lapses into some flawed history. The Democrats were far from a niche party from 1968-88, having controlled the House of Representatives for that entire period, and the Senate for most of the period. Granted, the presidency is the big national office. However, even accepting that premise, I would again note that the GOP during this period was the subject of the same types of critiques being leveled today. The GOP’s populist streak arguably started with Nixon’s campaign against judicial activism and his reliance on the “silent majority,” which was historically much less silent than the typical academic would have us believe. And for all of that, the American people — as opposed to political activists — are not as polarized as Joyner fears.
Moreover, it is quite unlikely that nominating Gingrich would result in a loss anywhere near the Dukakis loss in 1988, let alone the Mondale loss in 1984. Although campaigns and candidate certainly matter, post-WWII elections suggest that the incumbent party will generally lose when the economy is bad and win when it is good. The performances of the Dems in ’84 and ’88 are easily explained by economic factors. Currently, the economic climate does not favor Obama’s reelection. Accordingly, even if you think Gingrich would be a losing candidate, the odds of a blowout seem rather low.
Of course, this could be the year in which the typical post-WWII model breaks. Given that the 2008 meltdown was in some ways the worst since the Great Depression, perhaps voters will be more forgiving of Obama’s failed economic policies. But once we start “This Time Is Different” arguments, they can be invoked on Newt’s behalf as well.
The point here is not to praise Newt or bury him. Rather, it is to note that if he should somehow become the GOP nominee it would not signal certain disaster in the general election or mark a fundamental shift in the nature of the party. Indeed, it might say nothing more than Republican voters looking at the political environment of 2012 and deciding — rightly or wrongly — that “abrasive loose cannon” is a marginally better brand than “animatronic plutocrat.”









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Now, THERE’s a benchmark to achieve to!
Lourdes on January 25, 2012 at 10:49 AM
Sneaky, sneaky, sneaky…
As in, yeah, Sullivan really represents the average voter who doesn’t want Gingrich in the Presidency.
I have higher standards than that but it has nothing to do with any association with or comparison to Sullivan. Yuch.
Lourdes on January 25, 2012 at 10:51 AM
The abrasive loose cannon does not have the temperament to sit in the Oval Office.
Newt spells general election disaster, from the top of the ticket to the bottom.
If Newt is the nominee, Obama will have the Rose Garden, Newt the tabloids.
matthew8787 on January 25, 2012 at 11:17 AM
Obama can stay in the Rose Garden, while Newt will take the White House. Maybe Newt’ll take pity on Mitt and give him a cabinet post.
Look, if Romney can’t beat someone who is as “unstable” as Newt is (according to you), then he’ll never beat Obama. Whiners don’t get nominations, fighters do.
Gladtobehere on January 25, 2012 at 12:01 PM
Reagan was castigated by Republican elites just as much as Newt is. So what if Newt has a little of a temper? That merely makes him human, and he’s wicked smart, too. If you’re looking for a perfect candidate, you will be looking for a long time.
College Prof on January 25, 2012 at 12:29 PM
Reagan was also an honest, good man. Newt is a hypocritical loudmouthed scumbag who lies like a rug and spends years lying in his wifes bed with other women.
The Republican party will never again be able to call itself the party of American Values if they nominate Newt. He takes that off the table and hands it to the democrats who will happily take up the mantle while destroying the country.
Swerve22 on January 25, 2012 at 1:06 PM
It’s been the stupid meme of this site for a while now…”Anyone but Romney”. And its been slowly changing into “It has to be Newt” even as Gingrich dives into race baiting and full membership into the occupy movement. Gingrich is damaging Romney and himself so much it might be left to Santorum to salvage the situation, sheesh.
Zybalto on January 25, 2012 at 1:06 PM
Newt may lose. But with Romney we lose even if Romney wins. Romney through his surrogates is already backing quietly away from his
boldfalse claims about whether he will rescind ObamaCare: Romney Advisor: No ObamaCare RepealLook, friends and well wishers, I’m not saying that Willard Romney is the worst GOP candidate in the history of GOP candidates without hedge or qualification, I’m ONLY saying that all the data support that conclusion.
casuist on January 25, 2012 at 1:08 PM
I could live with that. A Willard nomination would be a problem, however.
casuist on January 25, 2012 at 1:09 PM
Newt has a much greater chance of undoing Obama’s policies then Romney, so frankly we should accept a lower chance of winning the election with him – the latter a debatable proposition.
Of course Santorum is even more likely then Newt to fight to overturn Obama’s policies and he also probably has the easiest road to winning the general election of all the remaining Republicans.
18-1 on January 25, 2012 at 1:10 PM
More to the point from my perspective, Romney will at best better manage the Washington he would inherit from Obama without making serious changes. So if you believe we can wait until 2020 to actually starting doing something about the structural problems we face, then by all means vote for Romney as a “least worst” placeholder for now.
If, as I believe, we don’t have that time window to make serious changes, you cannot in good conscience vote for Romney in the primaries or the general election. Your choices are Newt or Santorum.
18-1 on January 25, 2012 at 1:13 PM
I love the smell of RINO fear in the morning … it smells like … victory!
ShainS on January 25, 2012 at 1:14 PM
Newt is a disaster period. I’m still trying to understand why people don’t realize he’s at least 50% big gov’t liberal.
aniptofar on January 25, 2012 at 1:17 PM
ROTFLMAO… This implies that Sullivan ever had an intellect, Sullivan’s p3nis does all of his thinking for him, it always has.
SWalker on January 25, 2012 at 1:19 PM
It’s all relative. Gingrich becomes a fire-breathing Tea Partier when you stand him next to a progressive like Willard Romney, the failed former governor who ruled as a progressive, and whose only accomplishment is a program of policy functionally identical to ObamaCare, viz: RomneyCare. Obama too benefits by comparison to Romney as Obama could never deliver a public option–but Romney did.
casuist on January 25, 2012 at 1:22 PM
Glad, you are missing my point.
Romney can get the votes that Gingrich cannot.
In the final analysis it will be much easier (and cheaper) to get conservatives to vote for Romney than moderates and independents for Gingrich.
matthew8787 on January 25, 2012 at 1:26 PM
Based on what, exactly? the current polls don’t support that. And Romney’s abysmal campaign thus far does not indicate he has the ability to go out and get anyone to vote for him. Unless you are claiming that the 70% of the GOP electorate that is not voting for Romney is all hard-core conservative?
I love the fallacies that people pushing Romney live under. First, nobody can win in the general except someone who could just as easily run as a democrat!! We hear that every year. I, for one, am sick of it.
Romney can’t even attract his own party’s voters and you are telling us he is going to go out and get independents and democrats? Well, maybe he is in the wrong party then. Maybe that is the problem.
Monkeytoe on January 25, 2012 at 1:31 PM
No…don’t hold back…tell us how you REALLY FEEL…
RedLizard64 on January 25, 2012 at 1:34 PM
No, Reagan wasn’t castigated by Republican elites. Former governor of California and one-time movie star, Reagan was a Republican elite by any definition of the term. His record as governor was also relatively moderate. And what’s with this blanket ‘elites’ and ‘Establishment’ nonsense, anyway? No one is more Establishment than Gingrich and certainly no one considers himself more elite.
No, I don’t think most people are waiting for the perfect candidate to magically appear. Speaking for myself, I would like a candidate who isn’t a former lobbyist and influence peddler, laden with personal baggage and character defects, and reminiscent of that obnoxious fat kid know-it-all who sat two seats ahead of me in Biology class.
If the GOP nominates Gingrich, we lose no matter how badly President Obama performs between now and election day. What are you people thinking?
troyriser_gopftw on January 25, 2012 at 1:35 PM
SPOT ON!
RedLizard64 on January 25, 2012 at 1:35 PM
Newt Gingrich can’t even get my vote, and I’ve been going to bed every night since Obama’s inauguration thanking God to be one day closer to putting him out of a job.
Of course the authors in question appear to be clueless as to why Gingrich is a problem… but he’s a problem nonetheless.
Murf76 on January 25, 2012 at 1:36 PM
Re-write history much? How about all the polls that should Carter winning right up until the actual election–and then woomph, landslide loss. Try going back and reading the editorials and comments of “insiders” about Reagan–they treated him like Palin (or I suppose Newt) is treated today.
Nutstuyu on January 25, 2012 at 2:00 PM
I was an Independent for 20 years. Then in the 90s I joined the Republican party and very much supported Newt and defended him. We had thousands of issues a day it seemed. There was no consistent messages just anger, anger, anger. I’m really not looking forward to defending Newt again and after hearing class warfare and amnesty tosseed around just to beat a rich guy, I don’t think the party stands for much of anything any more which is why I was an Independent in the first place.
rhombus on January 25, 2012 at 2:18 PM
No, I’m not re-writing history. What I’m challenging are the use of the words ‘elites’ and ‘Republican Establishment’. George H. W. Bush referred to Reagan’s economic policy ideas as ‘voodoo economics’. That isn’t Reagan being unfairly castigated by ‘Republican elites’, that’s Reagan being challenged by an opponent in a hard-fought primary campaign. Get it straight.
This Us Versus Them nonsense, where ‘Us’ = ‘plain simple folk making an honest living by the sweat of our patriotic brow’ and where ‘Them’ = ‘Evil elites who rake in the dough and think they’re better than everybody else’ gets us nowhere.
Newt Gingrich is not a conservative, if his supposed conservativism your sole rationale for supporting him. He sometimes has conservative-sounding ideas but then again, since the man has the intellectual attention span and rigor of a mayfly, Gingrich is also sometimes siezed by the occasional far-Left liberal idea. People seem to forget, but the whole point of his famous moment on the couch with Nancy Pelosi was to promote the idea of cap-and-trade and other governmental measures to address the impending doom that is climate change.
troyriser_gopftw on January 25, 2012 at 2:22 PM
Mister Mets on January 25, 2012 at 2:40 PM
Newt or Obama? Hard choice. I know if it is Romney or Obama I’ll vote for Romney and even drive the seniors by my house to the polls. Newt is an unstable windbag. I hope he loses big in Florida.
ObamatheMessiah on January 25, 2012 at 2:44 PM
um hate to break it to you pal but you can name any issue and see that train left the station long ago, I guess you missed it. Every time.
DanMan on January 25, 2012 at 2:47 PM
Newt is brilliant as a thinking on his feet debater. But winning debates does not translate to winning elections.
Newt has so much baggage with his house ethics, home ethics, and home mortgage lobbyist that Obama will chew him up politically, ensuring an Obama re-election.
Should Newt win, as improbable at that appears to be today, he cannot lead, if you go by his past.
We’ve already elected someone in 2008 who was a good campaigner but turned out unable to govern. Obama turned out to have great ideas as long as they were big ideas, but Obama never came through with practical ideas. Newt looks to be much of the same. Washington people talk of his one idea a minute.
We need a person with one big idea, stick to it, and get it done. We don’t need a thousand ideas none of which go anywhere.
I want to see Obama defeated, but if Newt gets the nomination or the office, his reign will be so disastrous as to ruin the conservative movement in the mind of independents for a generation.
If Newt is the nominee, I’ll sit out this election. Might as well run McCain again.
billrowe on January 25, 2012 at 3:01 PM
All I can say, if the party nominates the so called Georgian conservative, is a quote from a fictional Georgian: “stupid is as stupid does”
tbrickert on January 25, 2012 at 3:24 PM
Or was Gump from Alabama?
tbrickert on January 25, 2012 at 3:29 PM
Newt is Like Reagan in several ways : Both are talented actors (called hypocrites) who put on the act that will win the white working class voters (called the swing voters) in Ohio, Florida, North Carolina and Wisconsin.
And Newt connects with those middle class and lower middle class voters with ease. He acts the act they like to see and they cheer for him.
Romney was raised by an Automobile Tychoon from Detroit in the glory days of the American Auto industry. That made his world view hostile to the UAW men and other wage workers who are the white working class. He cannot change that mindset. All he can do is brag about how rich he made himself with out working for dumb wages for soon to fail companies that are all headed for China and India anyway.
So only Newt take advantage of a win among that segment of the voters who have been so graciously abandoned to him by Obama’s campaign.
It’s Arithmatic. How many white working class folks vote in the swing states? Then compare that number with how many investors with Harvard mba’s vote in the swing states.
jimw on January 25, 2012 at 3:42 PM
Newt is a hybrid of Yankee and southern influence. He was an Army brat raised mostly in Pennsylvania, but graduated from a Columbus, Georgia HS because in his senior year daddy was reassigned to Ft Benning.
From there he was smart enough to be accepted and earn a History degree at a fine liberal arts college in Atlanta (Emory U.), and then get accepted to do graduate work at Tulane U. in New Orleans.
He was offered a Professor’s job at West Georgia in Carollton, Ga which is 20 miles from the Alabama line.
He started to run for a House seat in 1974 in a 90% rural district of rednecks from the Alabama border over to the southside of metro Atlanta.
He lost. He ran again. He lost. He ran again the year the longtime incumbent quit, and he won.
So Newt was molded more by the Army and by Higher Education than was by Georgia’s redneck culture that surrounds the Yankee outpost of Atlanta.(Incidentally his District contained the homes of Lewis Grizzard and Jeff Foxworthy, so he relates well to rednecks.)
jimw on January 25, 2012 at 4:04 PM
A mirror image of a left wing jerk is a right wing jerk not a conservative. It’s more like a populist and that is a vile and nasty thing that thinks Jimmy Swaggart was sincere, that pro wrestling is a sport and that porn is real sex. Newt’s base.
aloysiusmiller on January 25, 2012 at 8:27 PM