Today’s other Iowa poll
posted at 8:26 pm on December 13, 2011 by Karl
Commenters to my prior post about the PPP poll showing Ron Paul within a point of Newt Gingrich in Iowa pointed to the new Insider Advantage poll also released today:
Former House Speaker Newt Gingrich continues to hold a strong lead in Iowa, according to a new poll released Tuesday. Meanwhile, Texas Gov. Rick Perry has moved into third place ahead of former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney.
Gingrich leads the field with 27 percent support while Texas Rep. Ron Paul comes in second with 17 percent (up from 13 percent in an Insider Advantage poll released in late November). Perry has 13 percent, up from 7 percent in the November poll, and Romney has 12 percent.
What to make of two polls concurrently showing Gingrich +10 and Gingrich +1? And Romney in third or Romney in fourth? Not as much as you might think. Both polls are of a little over 500 likely GOP caucus voters, with corresponding margins of error of 4% or more. Looking at differences between the two polls, Insider has Gingrich +5 from the PPP number, Romney -4, Paul -4 and Perry +4 — so the two polls are broadly consistent.
At the NYT, Nate Silver has posted his first polling-based projection for Iowa, including these polls — and has the order as Gingrich, Paul, Romney, Perry. FWIW, he finds Newt and Mitt losing momentum, while Paul has some, though not as much as his rivals have lost. Even so, unless paul overtakes Newt, it’s bad news for Mitt. Regarding that point, Silver notes that he stuck purely to polling; on Twitter, he noted that “If looking at subjective factors I might consider Paul almost a co-favorite.”
I don’t know if I buy Silver’s methodology just yet, but I am intrigued with this comment (at the NYT):
What’s a little different about these forecasts is that one of these factors — how recently the poll was conducted — really dominates everything else. We’ve analyzed literally thousands of primary and caucus polls dating to 1972, and what we’ve found is that you optimize forecast accuracy by being extremely aggressive about trying to identify the current trend. In the late stages of a primary or caucus race, a week is an eternity and even a couple of days can be meaningful.
Moreover, he has become convinced that momentum matters in primaries (but not in general election polling).









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Have you seen the American Research Group poll? It also puts Perry at 13, like IA, and has Newt down by 5, as with the PPP poll.
David Marcoe on December 13, 2011 at 8:44 PM
PPP has a better reputation Than ARG or Insider advantage.
newsmax uses them and I always think there rigged.
I trust PPP most of the 3 but I think Rasmussen is the most reliable
gerrym51 on December 13, 2011 at 9:08 PM
Mark Twain said that there are three types of lies: Lies, Damned Lies, and Statistics. I believe that polls would be covered under Statistics. Let the candidates have at it, state their cases and positions, let the people go to the voting booths, and publish the result. All this commentary and angst on polls can have a detrimental effect.
Elric on December 13, 2011 at 9:10 PM
That is the whole point of them. To effect and not report.
astonerii on December 13, 2011 at 9:25 PM
Neil Stevens has a post up about PPP poll, they spun the numbers. Paul polls strong with “independents” and democrats and badly among republicans. Only Registered R’s can vote in the Iowa Caucuses
jp on December 14, 2011 at 8:40 AM
Iowans do not put a lot of stock in polls, they take pride in not being followers. Dean in 2004 was wayyyy ahead in the polls, followed by Gephardt. John Kerry won handily. Iowa does not really pick the winner of the primary, they separate the wheat from the chaff. We take our responsibility very seriously. Iowa probably has the highest percentage of activists per population in the USA. We personally ask the questions the MSM will not ask. A Caucus is a whole different animal then a primary, we come to a consensus. We do not place a vote and go home. You just can not poll that.
IowaWoman on December 14, 2011 at 10:52 AM