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College Football Open Thread ~ Championship Weekend UPDATE: LSU Wins SEC, Southern Miss Upsets #6 Houston

posted at 12:12 pm on December 3, 2011 by

While there’s several conference championships today, one game still has potential National Championship implications—#10 Oklahoma vs. #3 Oklahoma State.  LSU can actually lose to Georgia, and will still play in the big game, and #2 Alabama can’t lose another game because, aaaahhh, errrrrr, they’re NOT PLAYING IN A CONFERENCE CHAMPIONSHIP GAME, but don’t even try to tell the Coach’s Polling or the BCS that it might be significant to achieving the coveted number two spot.  One thing’s for certain, the BCS/PLAYOFFS controversy’s back into full tilt throttle mode.

(I’ve been working on a separate post all week to argue against an LSU/BAMA REMATCH, but I might just work in the potent parts into this thread so everyone can pile on.  In the meantime, read  Mark Bradley’s “SEC Title Game Moot” in the AJC to get the anti-bama juices flowing.)

SI Top 25 Scorboard Link          ESPN Scoreboard Link

Congrats to Southern Mississippi Golden Eagles—Winners of the CONFERENCE USA CHAMPIONSHIP GAME 49-28 over previously unbeaten Houston Cougars.

Congrats to the still undefeated No. 1 ranked LSU Tigers—Winners of the SEC CHAMPIONSHIP GAME over the Georgia Bulldogs 42-10.

Congrats to the Oregon Ducks—First PAC-12 CHAPIONSHIP Winners over the UCLA Bruins 49-31.

Update:  Two* Championship games in progress.  In the ACC Clemson’s shading Tech 10-7 late in the second quarter.  In the Big Ten Wiconsin and Michigan State are tearing it up in the first half 21-14 Badgers.  In the “other Championship Possibilites” game Oklahoma State pushed out early to a 10-0 lead with eight minutes left in the half. Correction; make that 17-0, as the Cowboys are knockin’ on LSU’s doors…..

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While we’re waiting for things to get going; how about UCLA scoring 31 on Oregon last night… As much of a fan of the PAC 12 I am, I must admit that LSU & Alabama are much better than Oregon or any other PAC 12 team right now. Oklahoma St & Oklahoma should be an epic game to watch today…

More later.

Keemo on December 3, 2011 at 12:37 PM

I’m ready to pile on.

In spite of the fact that I think it’s pretty clear that LSU and Alabama are the best two teams in college football this year, I’d rather see LSU take on OK State in the big game. The chances of beating Alabama twice in one season are slim. It rarely happens. It would be a shame to see the Tigers lose out on a perfect season. It’s selfish, I know.

But I can’t see OK State jumping over Alabama to No. 2 – too many BCS points to overcome. They’ll have to really smush OK and get some really big sympathy in the coaches poll.

And what if OK State loses? You know Stanford will be whining about being No. 3 and demanding that they should be crowned National Champions simply by virtue of the fact that they’re in the Pac10 or the Pac12 or whatever it is now.

SlaveDog on December 3, 2011 at 12:45 PM

SlaveDog on December 3, 2011 at 12:45 PM

Stanford lost any “whining rights” when they were pummeled by Oregon. But let’s start with some statistics prepared by a fellow named HolyGuacamole: (which I did not fact check)

Let’s compare the 4 schools ranked 2-5 in the BCS:

Record vs. Division 1 FBS schools with a winning record:
Oklahoma State 6-1
Virginia Tech 4-1
Stanford 4-1
Alabama 3-1

Road wins vs. Division 1 FBS schools with a winning record:
Oklahoma State 3
Virginia Tech 2
Alabama 2
Stanford 1

Wins vs. teams in the current BCS Top 25
Oklahoma State 4
Alabama 2
Stanford 0
Virginia Tech 0
* Stanford has a win over USC who would be in BCS Top 25 if they qualified

Wins vs. Division 1 FBS schools with at least 8 wins
Oklahoma State 4
Virginia Tech 3
Stanford 2
Alabama 2

Winning % of Division 1 FBS schools each team beat
Oklahoma State (64-53) 54.7%
Virginia Tech (62-57) 52.1%
Alabama (60-59) 50.4%
Stanford (60-73) 45.1%

Wins vs. non-D1 FBS schools or D1 FBS schools with .500 or below record
Alabama 8
Stanford 7
Virginia Tech 7
Oklahoma State 4

Winner of their conference:
Oklahoma State Maybe
Virginia Tech Maybe
Alabama No
Stanford No

Guacamole added:

It’s unfortunate that so many schools are rewarded for playing such easy schedules because so many human voters are too lazy to do the research that it should take to cast such a meaningful vote.

The sad fact is that if all school names were removed from the equation and voters were only allowed to look at statistics, there is no doubt that Oklahoma State would easily be the best of this bunch. Now, if there was just some way we could get the voters to open their eyes.

Of course if Ok.St loses to Ok. it’s all moot for the most part.

Rovin on December 3, 2011 at 1:07 PM

Rovin on December 3, 2011 at 1:07 PM

Nice stats. How about this one:

Wins against SEC teams:

Alabama 7
Oklahoma State 0
Stanford 0
Virginia Tech 0

It’s snobbish, I know, but still…

Plus, Oklahoma State hasn’t played any tough out-of-conference teams. At least Alabama has Penn State. Oklahoma has Tulsa.

But, as you stated, could be a moot point.

SlaveDog on December 3, 2011 at 1:22 PM

Wins against SEC teams:

Alabama 7
Oklahoma State 0
Stanford 0
Virginia Tech 0

Alabama’s quality SEC Victories:

Vandy 6-6 (2-6 in the SEC)
Ole Miss 2-10 (0-8 in the SEC)
Mississippi State 6-6 (2-6 in the SEC)
Tennessee 5-7 (1-7 in the SEC)
Florida 6-6 (3-5 in the SEC)
Auburn 7-5 (4-4 in the SEC)

Oh yeah, they did beat the all powerful Arkansas too:

The ascension of Arkansas by the Coach’s Poll (USA Today) and the BCS was a joke: After losing to Alabama on fourth week of the season 38-14, the Razorbacks are sent to #18 in these polls. After beating Ole Miss, (0-8 in the conference) by five points and Vandy, (2-6), by three points, they defeat South Carolina to go 8-1, and the Coach’s poll puts them at #8. Two weeks later—after defeating Tennessee and Mississippi State, (1-7, 2-6 in the SEC), the Coach’s poll, the Harris Poll, and the BCS rewards them with a #3 ranking. NUMBER THREE IN THE COUNTRY—UP FIVE SPOTS by defeating two completely anemic “SEC“ teams! Granted, they were 10-1 in this powerful SEC Conference, right before LSU blasted them back into reality 41-17, sending the Razorbacks back to their #8 position.

With the exception of LSU, this year the SEC is the biggest joke in College Football.

Rovin on December 3, 2011 at 3:01 PM

Houston getting routed by Southern Miss. in the Conference USA championship game.

Routed.Crushed.Man-Handled.Beaten.Embarrassed.

SouthernGent on December 3, 2011 at 3:01 PM

With the exception of LSU, this year the SEC is the biggest joke in College Football.

Rovin on December 3, 2011 at 3:01 PM

Heh. I can see you aren’t an SEC fan. But please, Dude, the biggest joke in college football is the Big 10 and has been for years. You know it’s true.

And too bad about Houston.

SlaveDog on December 3, 2011 at 3:55 PM

Almost time for kick off. I love college football. On any day, anyone can win.

SlaveDog on December 3, 2011 at 4:05 PM

I’d still pit USC against either LSU or Bama.

But man oh man do I want Georgia for the upset!

John the Libertarian on December 3, 2011 at 4:33 PM

You know Stanford will be whining

SlaveDog on December 3, 2011 at 12:45 PM

While it’s hard to contain that hurry-up offense, I agree with Rovin — they lost to Oregon.

John the Libertarian on December 3, 2011 at 4:41 PM

Rovin on December 3, 2011 at 1:07 PM

Quite a bit of good data.

Still waiting for someone proficient in Quantum Algebra to develop the best formula to figure this all out.

listens2glenn on December 3, 2011 at 4:51 PM

Looks like the Tigers are really shook up about Herman Cain dropping out. Georgia, not so much.

SlaveDog on December 3, 2011 at 5:20 PM

If LSU loses and still goes to the championship, why play football? Regular season doesn’t matter, championship games don’t matter only opinions and computers matter.

Not one first down in the first half and you want to tell me this is the best team in the country?

odannyboy on December 3, 2011 at 6:04 PM

Wow, Mathieu is definitely showing Heismann abilities.

John the Libertarian on December 3, 2011 at 6:41 PM

Honey Badger gets what he wants.

SlaveDog on December 3, 2011 at 6:41 PM

Not pulling for LSU as such, but that punt return I just witnessed is one for the archives.

listens2glenn on December 3, 2011 at 6:41 PM

Heh. I can see you aren’t an SEC fan

Been lovin’ College Football for over 50 years SD, and my disdain for the SEC isn’t against the fans, as much as it’s against the sports media and the system that lags so far behind when rating/ranking the SEC from year to year. (I remember when an UNDEFEATED AUBURN got screwed out a National Championship bid, and I was the first one to scream bloody murder). Over the past 10-12 years the SEC has gone from an over-rated conference to an undisputed powerhouse, and now back to over-rated THIS YEAR. Yes, LSU is the best team in the country, (although you might not know it so far today with 12 total yards in the first half), but I still think much of the rest of the conference is weak compared to years past.

listens2glenn on December 3, 2011 at 6:41 PM

Agree, hell of a runback….Georgia is looking over-matched here in the second half, again the sign of a strong LSU team that can regroup after looking so terrible in the first half.

Rovin on December 3, 2011 at 7:07 PM

T-I-G-E-R-S

Tigerzzzzz!

SlaveDog on December 3, 2011 at 7:08 PM

Now 10 – 28, LSU.

Well, a Georgia comeback is not impossible, but it’s sure gonna be an uphill climb.

listens2glenn on December 3, 2011 at 7:11 PM

Rovin on December 3, 2011 at 7:07 PM

Good points. You must be as old as I am.

And, yes, Auburn was really screwed. They haven’t forgotten it, either.

SlaveDog on December 3, 2011 at 7:11 PM

I remember when an UNDEFEATED AUBURN got screwed out a National Championship bid, and I was the first one to scream bloody murder.
Rovin on December 3, 2011 at 7:07 PM

I believe that’s happened to PSU three times, maybe four
in the last 31 years. All before the BCS was established.
A true play-off system for NCAA football is logistically near impossible, so we’re stuck with a compromise.

listens2glenn on December 3, 2011 at 7:18 PM

Over the past 10-12 years the SEC has gone from an over-rated conference to an undisputed powerhouse

Rovin on December 3, 2011 at 7:07 PM

Good thing they got that troublesome USC out of the way.
(I’m shocked — shocked! — that money traded hands!)

Gut the Pac-10/12, and the SEC prima donnas get to retain their dominance. btw, USC has been cheated out of title bouts, too.

John the Libertarian on December 3, 2011 at 7:46 PM

T-I-G-E-R-S

Tigerzzzzzz!

SlaveDog on December 3, 2011 at 7:47 PM

12 yards in the first half. Go figure.

SlaveDog on December 3, 2011 at 7:56 PM

Wow, did not expect that much scoring this soon in the Big Ten game.
Really thought it was going to be more of a defensive struggle in the first half.

The two OK’s game going about as expected.

listens2glenn on December 3, 2011 at 9:04 PM

The idea of a playoff in FBS football is not that hard to imagine. At most, it would require there to be two less regularly scheduled game,(and cupcake directional schools will be hardest hit as they get ignored by major schools again.) and the Big 10+2 would need to have an ironclad way of determining a conf. champ without a Championship game.

Two weeks after the end of the season, you have a round of playoffs, say 16 teams in 8 games, major conference winners get byes. Next week, you have another 8 games. Break for Christmas. Then 4 games the week after, 2 games the week of New Years and the Championship happening the week after that.

No more beauty contests. No more BS about how ‘tough’ the schedule of a school is. No more absolute crap about a team NOT EVEN PLAYING for its conference championship being #2 team in the nation.

MunDane68 on December 3, 2011 at 9:12 PM

Ho – ly BALLS.

Michigan State “apparently” ties it up, then successfully goes for two, taking the lead.

listens2glenn on December 3, 2011 at 9:24 PM

The idea of a playoff in FBS football is not that hard to imagine. At most, it would require there to be two less regularly scheduled game,(and cupcake directional schools will be hardest hit as they get ignored by major schools again.) and the Big 10+2 would need to have an ironclad way of determining a conf. champ without a Championship game.

MunDane68 on December 3, 2011 at 9:12 PM

Start the season a week, or two sooner? Just a thought.

listens2glenn on December 3, 2011 at 9:27 PM

OSU is on their way to smushing OU. A really convincing win might help convince the human polls to try to demote Alabama. I dunno.

BCS intrigue, I guess.

SlaveDog on December 3, 2011 at 9:56 PM

Halftime.

Didn’t think the Big Ten score would have gone as high in the first half as it did.

Also didn’t think the Sooners would be (almost) shut-out in the first half. Lopsided game there.

Another 30 minutes of game-clock to go!

listens2glenn on December 3, 2011 at 10:02 PM

VT and Clemson just started their second half, tied up.

listens2glenn on December 3, 2011 at 10:07 PM

That was a very strange Sooner fumble. Disaster.

SlaveDog on December 3, 2011 at 10:20 PM

OSU is making a statement. They’re looking at No. 2.

SlaveDog on December 3, 2011 at 10:37 PM

Good Grief! VT losing to Clemson by three touchdowns, six minutes to go in the third quarter. 31 – 10, Clemson over VT looks like a collapse unless Beamer has the Tigers right where he wants them, feeling victorious and unstoppable.
.
Sheese, I never would have expected this after the tie score at halftime…

ExpressoBold on December 3, 2011 at 10:39 PM

Definitely did not expect this outcome with VT and Clemson.

Figured the OSU-OU score would be much closer.

Big 10 game actually exciting.

Nice job by Southern Miss.

Anybody see North Texas beat Middle Tennessee 59-7? I mean, North Texas. Awesome, dudes!

J.E. Dyer on December 3, 2011 at 11:21 PM

Well, for crying out loud! VT loses to Clemson twice in the same season and gets snuffed by no less than 23 points both times.
.
Clemson 38 <— ACC football champions
VT 10

ExpressoBold on December 3, 2011 at 11:24 PM

Wisconsin… Michigan State… did either team bring a defense?

J.E. Dyer on December 3, 2011 at 11:33 PM

Big 10 game actually exciting.
J.E. Dyer on December 3, 2011 at 11:21 PM

Big Ten game just got MORE exciting as Badgers take the lead.

listens2glenn on December 3, 2011 at 11:34 PM

Wisconsin… Michigan State… did either team bring a defense?

J.E. Dyer on December 3, 2011 at 11:33 PM

I think I’ve seen both teams, on both sides of the ball, make great plays in this game.
The offenses are both just that good.

listens2glenn on December 3, 2011 at 11:40 PM

That Spartan receiver couldn’t have stretched that leg any further than he did. Valiant try.

listens2glenn on December 3, 2011 at 11:46 PM

Now the Spartan D shows up.

J.E. Dyer on December 3, 2011 at 11:49 PM

Academy Award for the Wisconsin punter.

J.E. Dyer on December 3, 2011 at 11:51 PM

But for that penalty, MSU could almost certainly have sent it to OT, if not won outright in regulation. Ouch.

Congrats to the Badgers.

J.E. Dyer on December 3, 2011 at 11:54 PM

That makes twice the Spartans hit the Badger punter; the second time definetly cost the game.

Both defenses looked much better to me in the last few minutes of the game.

listens2glenn on December 3, 2011 at 11:55 PM

Oh yeah, I almost forgot.

HEY GOPHER GIRL, I just remembered how much you ‘love’ the Badgers, so . . . . . . my condolences.

listens2glenn on December 4, 2011 at 12:00 AM

. . . . . .In the meantime, read Mark Bradley’s “SEC Title Game Moot” in the AJC to get the anti-bama juices flowing. . . . . .

Alabama is the ONLY team to push LSU into OT.
That game went three OTs, to be exact.

If another team plays LSU in the Championship Bowl, it’s fine with me. I just don’t understand all the anti-’Bama sentiment.

listens2glenn on December 4, 2011 at 12:35 AM

Southern Miss!!!!!!!

SMTTT!!!!!!

itsspideyman on December 4, 2011 at 8:25 AM

LSU only played half the game and beat the SEC East Champ Jawja, Crown the Tigers and let Ala and OSU play for 2nd best. I hate LSU but recognize they are the best this year.

Kissmygrits on December 4, 2011 at 8:43 AM