The Cain Sexual Harassment Journey (Part 2)

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The day after this story broke, I published the first piece in this series, Early Thoughts on the Herman Cain Sexual Harassment Story. In it, I pointed out that there were still a lot of questions to be answered and it wasn’t going to evaporate overnight. Now we have some of those answers, but keep your seatbelts fastened and your tray back tables in the full upright position, because this ride is still far from over. We have, however, obtained enough information to confirm some of our initial speculations, answer a few questions and get a good idea of what’s left that we need to know. The biggest shift at this point is that the real debate may turn out to be less about what Cain is alleged to have done more than a decade ago – at least for now – and more about the incredibly poor response to the story by the candidate and his staff.

First, to the original facts of the case. At the conclusion of my original piece, I asked the question as to whether or not Politico “had the goods” on this and I posited that they did. This question is now definitively settled and has been confirmed – repeatedly – by the candidate himself. There was at least one woman – and nearly certainly two – who made accusations of sexual harassment. This led to to charges being raised, an investigation and a payment being made which included a non-disclosure agreement. These were the items that Politico reported, and their original article went to great lengths to point out that they were “allegations” and that they involved gestures, comments, etc., and not physical contact or any sort of affair. What they reported has turned out to be the facts.

If you are one of the people still clinging to blaming Politico for this, describing it as a “smear” and the rest of the responses I’m seeing, you’re off base. When a person runs for the presidency, if there are documents such as these lurking out there – particularly involving a case where a payout resulted from it – that’s news. It’s going to be reported. To deny this you have to either be such a partisan supporter of the candidate that you won’t allow any non-positive reporting or so new to this process that all I can say is, “Welcome to politics. Hope you enjoy your stay.”

Calling what Politico did a “smear” would be no different than Democrats saying the press “smeared” Eliot Spitzer for noting that he cavorted with prostitutes. It’s not a nice thing to say about anyone, but if it happened… it’s news.

But as I alluded earlier, the bigger story for the time being is really the response by the candidate and his staff. (I specify “for the time being” because this wound could still be ripped open further if any new developments or additional allegations emerge on the heels of this.) The handling of this by Team Cain over the first 36 hours has been nothing short of abysmal, and the candidate himself has probably done the most damage.

In a very short period of time, Herman Cain did what can only fairly be called a complete reversal in his story, contrary to the well intentioned protests from his supporters. The candidate went from saying that he had no knowledge of any such settlement, and he “hoped” that the payout wasn’t very large, to saying that he was aware of some sort of payment, to providing details of what he thought the payment might have been. (This was all in the same day after he’d been given ten days notice to prepare, but more on that below.) This culminated on Tuesday morning with an interview with Robin Meade on CNN Headline News Morning Express where he made a truly floundering attempt to claim that he was answering the questions correctly based on the difference between a “settlement” and an “agreement.”

This was one of the most transparently evasive moments of the entire saga. Even for those of you claiming that Cain is such a keen legal eagle that he was drawing a proper legal distinction between the terms, (and it’s already starting) the problem should be clear. Were that the case, Cain knew that he was talking to reporters feeding a general audience, not grading somebody’s LSAT essay. Even under those circumstances, the proper answer might have been, “There was no settlement that I know of, but there was an agreement by the board which resulted in a payment to end this matter, even though the complaint had no merit.”

By failing to point that out, Cain demonstrated that he was uncomfortable with the answer and was attempting to hide the facts of the case. It was a bad move, and Herman Cain emerged from the exchange carrying a lot of wounds, mostly self-inflicted.

That’s less than weak tea. It comes across as a stereotypical politician trying to parse words to cover up what he didn’t want to say previously. It doesn’t rise quite to the level of “it depends what you mean by is” but it’s not far off. In fact, Ed Morrissey touched on this briefly this morning, but as I told him earlier, that seems like a bit of a whitewash to me. Cain may not have recalled all of the details the moment he heard it, but over the last week and a half he certainly could have dredged them up rather than acting like all of these memories came flooding back in a four-hour period on Monday. Cain has also attempted to make precisely that “memory loss” defense, but it rings completely hollow in my ears.

One of the other defenses being foisted is that Cain “isn’t a politician” and should therefore not be held to the same standards. (For reference, see Chris Barron’s piece today where he makes precisely this charge, as well as sticking to the “smear” line of attack and the memory loss defense.) Perhaps so. But he has hired professionals including Mark Block. Block was on TV two hours before Cain on Monday morning peddling a story saying he was “not personally aware” of any such charges ever being raised. This was obviously a clearly calculated defense strategy which had been worked out and they both wound up looking incompetent and shifty when Cain scuttled his assertions a mere two hours later. Perhaps Cain didn’t know any better, but Block absolutely should have. The man should be fired for – if nothing else – complete incompetence in handling this response. (Unless, of course, he was overruled by the candidate, in which case Herman Cain carries all the weight for it himself.)

All of these botched responses, stonewalling and arguing over semantics make Cain look shifty and evasive. Given ten days notice, if he had simply come out Monday morning and said that yes, in fact, a scurrilous suit had been brought against him a decade ago and had been rapidly debunked and dispatched with a small severance payment, the matter would be dead and gone. Instead, this amateurish handling of a breaking story which they knew about ages before it hit has damaged his credibility and raised suspicions where none need have been found.

And if all of this isn’t enough for Cain to show Mark Block the door, the already unfolding story of his non-profit and it’s alleged financial ties to the campaign should finish the job. That story isn’t getting nearly as much play yet because campaign finance charges aren’t as sexy as the current tale, but it’s in progress and could get very serious. Block seems to have been nothing but trouble for Cain thus far.

I don’t think this will be the final installment in the series. There are still a number of whispers out there and there may be additional details on the investigative agenda which are still too green to pick from the tree. Time alone will tell, and this may not sway enough of Cain’s supporter to derail his run at the nomination, but none of this looks good.

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When a person runs for the presidency, if there are documents such as these lurking out there – particularly involving a case where a payout resulted from it – that’s news. It’s going to be reported.

Unless you are Barack Obama.

But yes, it is news, how big the news remains to be seen. The women have not come forward with specific charges, and Politico isn’t saying. If Jonathan Martin had the goods, he should have laid out all the charges, named names, dates and places. Yes, there is something to the story, I’m just not convinced how much something is there.

simkeith on November 1, 2011 at 2:18 PM

It’s “news if it happened.” And all we have to make that assertion now is a story that is so poorly sourced as to be practically unsourced — a bit of journalistic malpractice that doesn’t even qualify as thin gruel as far as I’m concerned. Until we know as much about Cain’s supposed “indiscretions” as we discovered about Client #9, that story doesn’t mentioned to be deserved alongside ANYTHING about Herman Cain.

gryphon202 on November 1, 2011 at 3:36 PM

Yes, there is something to the story, I’m just not convinced how much something is there.

simkeith on November 1, 2011 at 2:18 PM

That “something to the story” may have been no more than Politico’s desire to bring down a GOP presidential candidate. If they don’t come forward with details because the details don’t support their narrative, guess what? It’s STILL Herman Cain’s reputation on the line! It’s still Herman Cain’s candidacy that they attempted to stymie.

So what I’d like to know is this:

How come I don’t hear more people questiong Politico’s methods and motivations?

gryphon202 on November 1, 2011 at 3:40 PM

Jazz Shaw says this is not a smear; I disagree. It may be news but it is indeed a smear. 2 settlements where it has been acknowledged that there was a gesture made but it wasn’t sexual; it made them uncomfortable. They’re pushing it as a sexual harassment story even though they acknowledge it wasn’t really a sexual gesture. That’s a smear. They’re trying to create a perception; their reporting may be technically accurate but their intention and innuendo is definitely a smear. If you don’t see that JS, you’re dipping into ‘serious of the charge’ territory. And no, this is not like the Eliot Spitzer case at all; Spitzer committed a crime; Cain was sued for a gesture and a settlement was reached..quite possibly a nuisance settlement.
Yes, it happened; yes, they’ve handled it poorly. It is nothing but a smear however; that’s all that was intended with it; and what enrages many people I think is that you don’t get this level of scrutiny of current charges of this nature made against Democrats. You want to pretend this is journalism, go ahead, but you’re not doing the profession any favors by trying to protect their reporting.

austinnelly on November 1, 2011 at 4:11 PM

This whole affair brings to mind the phrase, “Straining out gnats while swallowing a camel.”

RedRedRice on November 1, 2011 at 4:23 PM

Except that the Cain camp did deny the report, as we pointed out at the time. In fact, they denied the report within three days of hearing about it. (And not the ten days that we constantly hear.)

Again quoting from the Politico’s first story: “After several days of not responding to the question, Gordon emailed on Oct. 24 that any dispute about Cain’s conduct at the restaurant association “was settled amicably among all parties many years ago.” “These are old and tired allegations that never stood up to the facts,” Gordon said in an email response.”

LINK

The blog deconstructs other aspects of the spin too many on the right are eager to push.

Cindy Cooper on November 1, 2011 at 4:54 PM

For most of the firms I have worked for I would compile the annual claims disclosure which detailed these types of claims for a number of purposes. Normally a CEO would merely sign off on these. Cain likely knew the details since he would have been asked by corporate counsel for his version of the story to determine if the claim was valid or not.

As I have said before I could care less about this, affairs, and other fluff which seldom determines effective leadership. Cain is lucky that the media is focusing on this junk rather than his absurd policies and statements. He is not fit for any office let alone President of the United States.

lexhamfox on November 1, 2011 at 5:07 PM

Cain is lucky that the media is focusing on this junk rather than his absurd policies and statements. He is not fit for any office let alone President of the United States.

lexhamfox on November 1, 2011 at 5:07 PM

I disagree on that point, but at least it’s his policies and substantive statements that bother you. You have my respect if not my agreement, Lex.

gryphon202 on November 1, 2011 at 5:15 PM

WTF? Not a smear. Obviously your head is so far up someone’s ass at Politico that you are delusional.

Exactly what did Cain do? What gesture did he make? Is making someone uncomfortable sexual harassment? They are unfounded accusations period. So what was this hatchet job about…rumor and innuendo.

BTW I accuse you of being in bed with Jonathan Martin. Let’s run a story on that since this “was not a smear.”

jmell7 on November 1, 2011 at 5:45 PM

Calling what Politico did a “smear” would be no different than Democrats saying the press “smeared” Eliot Spitzer for noting that he cavorted with prostitutes. It’s not a nice thing to say about anyone, but if it happened… it’s news.

Going Godwin doesn’t help your case.

batterup on November 1, 2011 at 6:13 PM

When a person runs for the presidency, if there are documents such as these lurking out there – particularly involving a case where a payout resulted from it – that’s news. It’s going to be reported.

Jazz,

Per Fox News 5 minutes ago, the 2 “unnamed ladies” are restricted from speaking about this due to the settlement agreement that was made when this so called incident happened. Those agreements were made between the ladies and the NRA, not Herman Cain. It’s the discretion of the NRA whether they want to release the documentation and lift the confidentiality agreement these ladies are under, not Herman Cain.

I don’t think this will be the final installment in the series.

In other words, you’re hoping there’s more to come because a story from left leaning Politico, 2 unnamed ladies and how many unnamed sources is so much fun and you can keep beating it like a dead horse instead of going after the real story of who leaked this and why?

More immature, reckless and over the top crap innuendo and speculation from HotAir. Shame on you Jazz for not going after the real story.

Knucklehead on November 1, 2011 at 6:32 PM

Former President of National Restaurant Association has Ties to the Mitt Romney Campaign

Are we just going to ignore this stuff and continue to tear down Herman Cain? Who planted the story is the story.

Knucklehead on November 1, 2011 at 8:32 PM

It’s important for everyone here to realize that there is hardly an American business executive that hasn’t been hit with a sexual harrassment claim at one time or another.

Usually these claims end with a small payout and no admission of wrong doing. It usually happens when a woman loses her job. A quick trip to an attorney’s office and a totally fabricated claim (backed up by a best friend) ends up in a settlement conference.

The fact is that it’s cheaper to settle these nuisances than it is to fight them. Also, fighting them is a no-win because it always ends up as he said-she said.

Whenever we are faced with letting a female employee go, we plan for the inevitable harrassment claim.

California is especially bad because under our laws, harrassment is in the eye of the beholder. To make matters worse, judges don’t want these garbage claims clogging their court rooms so they force the employer to go to binding arbitration.

In CA about 30% of all terminated female employees make a harrassment claim. The number is much higher among white-collar workers, but I’m sure it’s common among blue coller as well.

It sucks, but its reality.

Moose Dung on November 1, 2011 at 8:43 PM

Cain is lucky that the media is focusing on this junk rather than his absurd policies and statements. He is not fit for any office let alone President of the United States.

lexhamfox on November 1, 2011 at 5:07 PM

I disagree on that point, but at least it’s his policies and substantive statements that bother you. You have my respect if not my agreement, Lex.

gryphon202 on November 1, 2011 at 5:15 PM

I will happily accept any respect on offer from folk here but his comments on China this afternoon seem to prove my point but I doubt they will get the same level of coverage.

lexhamfox on November 1, 2011 at 9:29 PM

It’s important for everyone here to realize that there is hardly an American business executive that hasn’t been hit with a sexual harrassment claim at one time or another.

Usually these claims end with a small payout and no admission of wrong doing. It usually happens when a woman loses her job. A quick trip to an attorney’s office and a totally fabricated claim (backed up by a best friend) ends up in a settlement conference.

The fact is that it’s cheaper to settle these nuisances than it is to fight them. Also, fighting them is a no-win because it always ends up as he said-she said.

Whenever we are faced with letting a female employee go, we plan for the inevitable harrassment claim.

California is especially bad because under our laws, harrassment is in the eye of the beholder. To make matters worse, judges don’t want these garbage claims clogging their court rooms so they force the employer to go to binding arbitration.

In CA about 30% of all terminated female employees make a harrassment claim. The number is much higher among white-collar workers, but I’m sure it’s common among blue coller as well.

It sucks, but its reality.

Moose Dung on November 1, 2011 at 8:43 PM

I work on these kind of claims in various capacities. They aren’t all frivolous and it is rare that any officer manages to attract two under one employer. Without the details and knowing his interpersonal style it is hard to say but the fact that there are two of them is troubling.

lexhamfox on November 1, 2011 at 9:33 PM

it is rare that any officer manages to attract two under one employer.

Nonsense. The more employees, the longer the tenure, the concentration of deadwood employees, the level of permissive behavior permitted under a previous manager, etc., all lead to a greater probability of claims.

A new manager that comes into a disfunctional department and cleans house can unleash a tidal wave of BS claims.

Unless the settlements exceeded $200k they are probably junk.

Moose Dung on November 1, 2011 at 9:52 PM

I will happily accept any respect on offer from folk here but his comments on China this afternoon seem to prove my point but I doubt they will get the same level of coverage.

lexhamfox on November 1, 2011 at 9:29 PM

They won’t. Right or wrong, for better or for worse, his gaffes and misstatements haven’t sunk his poll numbers yet. Someone somewhere must have decided they couldn’t gamble that Herman Cain might actually not self destruct at all.

gryphon202 on November 1, 2011 at 9:58 PM

Nonsense. The more employees, the longer the tenure, the concentration of deadwood employees, the level of permissive behavior permitted under a previous manager, etc., all lead to a greater probability of claims.

A new manager that comes into a disfunctional department and cleans house can unleash a tidal wave of BS claims.

Unless the settlements exceeded $200k they are probably junk.

Moose Dung on November 1, 2011 at 9:52 PM

All my former employers in CA used standard at will employment contracts. I only know of one employee who had multiple complaints made against him and the claims did not result in any monetary payouts. Those claims were genuine and we modified his work so he was not in contact with the people he harassed. I had one bogus claim made against myself… no payout. I had seen multiple discrimination claims in departments and against certain managers but harassment claims were rare. Perhaps because it was the tech industry or because of the high number of non-US employees… the claims were few and far in between. There were plenty of boozy nights and weekly parties but very few claims so I guess I’ve just been lucky with employers here over the years. I will check with my insurance contacts to see if multiple harassment claims are common for officers but I haven’t seen that in my experience.

lexhamfox on November 2, 2011 at 12:20 AM

Hmmm. Well, I agree that Cain and/or his staff should have been better prepared for this to become public. That said, we are a people of colossal stupidity, weak-mindedness, and irrelevance if we judge a man’s fitness for the office of president by his ability to spin this kind of BS.

It’s just possible that Cain never expected this to become public because the agreement with the complaining parties was confidential. One can call that naive, but to conclude that naivete in this regard is evidence of general foolishness or incompetence is invalid reasoning.
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his is about our character. Are we dumb and easily led or do we think for ourselves? Let’s strengthen our minds, folks. The MSM attacks on the GOP candidates are, virtually in their entirety, irrelevant, spurious, meaningless, petty, and absurd. The media can make anyone look bad. At some point, an independent thinker has to steel his mind against the endless barrage of tendentious innuendo and Just Say No.

I don’t care who thinks it’s stupid to simply reject the whole business outright and say “That’s not what I’m judging Herman Cain on.” In a time when ham sandwiches are being indicted left and right, innuendo is worth less than nothing. Innuendo and how one responds to it have nothing to do with the actual decisions a president faces: the things he will have to do that matter. In fact, a ham sandwich can look like Righteous Superpig if it’s got the media on its side, but that doesn’t mean we should consider it not only handsome but a powerful man, or that we should vote for it.

Bottom line: we don’t have to buy into the idea that facing down a hostile media gauntlet, while looking like George Clooney trouncing the fang-toothed capitalists in excellent lighting, is a prerequisite for an effective president. That’s a lie we are under no obligation to believe. The day we figure that out, the MSM are going to be left holding the bag and looking like the herd of rabid jackals they too often are.

J.E. Dyer on November 2, 2011 at 12:44 AM

More immature, reckless and over the top crap innuendo and speculation from HotAir. Shame on you Jazz for not going after the real story.
Knucklehead on November 1, 2011 at 6:32 PM

Get a grip, Knucklehead. It is Cain’s response to this story, a response filled with contradictory statement, that is being criticized.

Former President of National Restaurant Association has Ties to the Mitt Romney Campaign
Are we just going to ignore this stuff and continue to tear down Herman Cain? Who planted the story is the story.
Knucklehead on November 1, 2011 at 8:32 PM

It must be Irony Day. When I called out Cain for implying Romney was behind the Politico story, you attacked me the same way you are attacking Jazz. I was even told that Cain didn’t imply Romney was behind it, and how dare I say he did! Now here you are making comments disparaging innuendo and reckless charges while pushing a story based on nothing but… innuendo, and you’re alleging Romney was behind it.

Buy Danish on November 2, 2011 at 8:04 AM

Like I said; a href=”http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/02/us/politics/herman-cain-accuser-got-a-years-salary-in-severance-pay.htm”>Garbage.

Moose Dung on November 2, 2011 at 11:21 AM

Garbase with a dash of innuendo.

The NYT implies there is something sinister behind the non-disclosure clause. The problem is that without the NDA, she wouldn’t have gotten even the $35k and the NDA likely requires her to return the money if she goes public.

Two of them said that other factors had been involved in her severance, and that other workplace issues had been making her unhappy at the association as well. But they said the encounter with Mr. Cain had added an emotional charge and contributed to the size of her payment.

Yep, nothing like a tasty accusation to push up the settlement amount!

Dispite the NYT report, $35k is an easy score. The fact that she didn’t have a big salary is meaningless. Settlements are NOT based on the accusers base salary.

Moose Dung on November 2, 2011 at 12:15 PM

Former President of National Restaurant Association has Ties to the Mitt Romney Campaign
Knucklehead on November 1, 2011 at 8:32 PM

Update! Via El Rushbo, you know who else the former prez of the NRA donated to? Herman Cain.

BTW, To say that someone is “tied to” a candidate merely because they made a donation is ridiculous. I have made many donations to candidates over the years. I am not in any way “tied” to any of them. Indeed, some of them are now on my “do not call” list (like Michele Bachmann).

Buy Danish on November 2, 2011 at 1:07 PM

Read Taranto’s treatment of the Politico story on the WSJ. Taranto, who is not known for being overly-partisan, presents a good case that it’s not journalism.

So I think your litmus tests fails. “Smear” still sounds right to me.

Axeman on November 3, 2011 at 6:50 PM

Yep, nothing like a tasty accusation to push up the settlement amount!

Moose Dung on November 2, 2011 at 12:15 PM

That’s precisely what I thought. Of course thinking things is too low impact for people around here these days, so I should declare that she was ONLY pushing up the settlement amount and anybody who thinks different has some sort of defect–and in general sound like a liberal (argue by demand, as they do).

Axeman on November 3, 2011 at 6:53 PM