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Jane Hamsher’s Bad Day With the Marines

posted at 11:35 am on January 24, 2011 by

On Sunday, during the run-up to what was already destined to be a pretty disappointing evening for Jets fans, one of the oddest tales ever seen from the “strange but true” files began to unfold in my Twitter stream. Jane Hamsher, blogger at Fire Dog Lake, began frantically firing off tweets describing a situation where she was being detained, if not arrested, by the United States Marines at their base at Quantico.

You’re to be excused if you find yourself wondering what Jane was doing at the Marine base in the first place, but there were a couple of reasons offered. First, she was in the company of a gentleman named David House, who is on the approved visitor list for accused traitor Bradley Manning, currently a guest of the government at the Quantico brig. House has apparently been visiting Manning on a regular basis, driven by Jane, and she would wait at the on base McDonalds while he went in to see the prisoner. Nothing too unusual so far, right? But might there be a bit more to the story than that?

As described in their somewhat sanitized version of events at Fire Dog Lake, there was a second mission involved.

House and Hamsher also planned to deliver a 42,000-signature strong petition calling for an end to the inhumane conditions that Manning is being held. Upon arriving at the main entrance at Quantico, House and Hamsher were stopped and detained by military police who provided no explanation for detainment aside from a statement from one MP that his orders to detain had “come from the top.”

The real time descriptions and explanations from Hamsher’s Twitter feed were, however, far more instructive and – if I may be forgiven for saying it – entertaining. Manning’s visitors grew increasingly outraged at being subjected to a variety of indignities which included demands that they provide proper identification and being made to wait outside in the 28 degree weather. The event concluded two hours later with Hamsher’s vehicle being towed away and impounded after she failed to provide suitable proof of insurance. By that time, visiting hours for Private Manning were over.

The visitors, of course, are smelling a conspiracy, since Mr. House had been able to visit Manning in the past without undue impediment.

Ya think?

Jane tweeted that she had previously called “as courtesy to say we were coming” to give them a heads up.

Here’s a free tip for those who are obviously not terribly familiar with the military. You don’t give the military a courtesy call to tell them you are coming. You ask their permission. It’s a military base, not a theme park. And when you tell them in advance that you’re coming to their turf to pull off a media stunt intended to make them look bad and challenge their authority, they’re going to mess with you. Further, even if one of you is on the approved visitor list, (Hamsher is not) when you arrive at a United States Military facility, you are there as their guest. They may choose to suffer your presence, but from the moment you pass through those gates you’re playing by their rules.

Perhaps even more amazing than the other complaints and accusations was this puzzling, cryptic statement.

Nobody knows why Marines are holding Bradley Manning who is in the Army anyway. Manning attorney unable to get an answer.

If there’s any truth to that, Manning needs to fire his attorney. The Marines handle security duty at numerous military facilities around the world, including the brigs on larger Navy ships. Quantico’s brig, which is staffed by both Marine and Navy personnel, is famous as a secure destination for suspects and convicts in transition, particularly in high profile cases. It has housed a variety of notorious figures ranging from wannabe presidential assassin John Hinkley to convicted traitor and spy Clayton J. Lonetree. There is absolutely nothing unusual about a suspect like Manning winding up there.

In the end, this stunt was just the next phase in Hamsher’s relentless campaign to lionize both Bradley Manning and Julian Assange as some sort of heroes. It’s an effort which has been regularly abetted by Glenn Greenwald, who jumped into the brewing Twitter storm almost immediately. At one point I asked him if he thought Manning might actually be guilty of releasing all those documents and if that made him some sort of hero in Glenn’s eyes. His response was refreshingly honest.

I have no idea – we wait until what’s called a “verdict” before imposing punishment on people. And yeah, I think it’s heroic.

I’m sure we’re all anxious to find out where this story goes next. Will more visitors take on the U.S. Marines? Will Private Manning have his cable TV access reduced to even more barbaric levels less than six hours per day? Will Jane get her car back and find her insurance card? Tune in next time on, As the World of Manning Turns.

Now you can yell at Jazz for being a stupid, wrong-headed RINO even faster than by leaving a comment. Follow him on Twitter! @JazzShaw

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Sounds like Hamsher thought she was protesting a recruiting station. Oops.

Patrick Ishmael on January 24, 2011 at 11:48 AM

I can hardly wait until tonight when frequent
Countdown guest Jane tells her side to Keef…..
Waaaaaait a minute.

mrt721 on January 24, 2011 at 12:04 PM

I just love this! There are just some folks you do not mess with and the Maines are among this group. I look forward to updates on this. Thanks Jazz.
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letget on January 24, 2011 at 12:10 PM

Couldn’t have happened to a nicer leftist bimbazoid!

JamesLee on January 24, 2011 at 12:15 PM

Did Jane throw in any tweets amid her screaming about her evil, Gitmo-like treatment from the Marines wondering how the Jets’ run defense could look as bad as they did in the first half against Mendenhall?

jon1979 on January 24, 2011 at 12:26 PM

Did Jane throw in any tweets amid her screaming about her evil, Gitmo-like treatment from the Marines wondering how the Jets’ run defense could look as bad as they did in the first half against Mendenhall?

Oh, dude. That’s seriously cold.

Jazz Shaw on January 24, 2011 at 12:40 PM

Jane should just paint all the Marines in black-face, like she did Lieberman(D), and post it on her website, like she did Lieberman(D), ’cause that’ll show ‘em.

DANEgerus on January 24, 2011 at 12:46 PM

Wow, what an idiot! And the nutjobs over at her website are wetting themselves in pity for poor Bradley. Pathetic.

JayVee on January 24, 2011 at 1:17 PM

Hahaha! Yesterday, I read some other loon’s retweet that they were going to present the petition. Why do leftards think anybody cares about these petitions, especially when the target of their petition is in the klink?

This is what happens if you want to enter secure facilities and/or prisons. Hammie was treated like everyone else. And isn’t that what really bugs her? Get over it, princess.

Blake on January 24, 2011 at 3:15 PM

Well I guess they could transfer him to Detention Facility, not a Brig, like the one at Diego!

Oh that’s Diego Garcia, not San Diego.

Diego Garcia is approximately 1,800 nautical miles (3,300 km) east of the African coast and 1,200 nautical miles (2,200 km) south of the southern tip of India.

Not sure if they have HBO or Cable, or TV reception, but hey, he would have the same stuff as our troops stationed there!

DSchoen on January 24, 2011 at 3:34 PM

The Marines handle security duty at numerous military facilities around the world, including the brigs on larger Navy ships.

Including military Nuke facilities. Serious men handling serious tasks.

BigAlSouth on January 25, 2011 at 5:59 AM

Hey, now, Hamsher is a serious person. Seriously stupid, seriously uninformed and seriously in need of a keeper.

mchristian on January 25, 2011 at 11:18 AM

Yeah. On the principles of Firedoglake World, everyone would get to go after anyone he didn’t like, in any manner he felt was justified, with no regard for the rule of law.

The MSNBC report at the heart of Hamsher’s developing case is a masterpiece of misdirection. It goes on and on about how there’s no evidence of a direct link between Manning and Assange. But that’s irrelevant to prosecuting Manning.

Manning’s release of documents was a felony regardless of which unauthorized recipient they went to. A direct link with Assange would allow more charges to be brought, and might give the US a pretext for prosecuting Assange (I’m not convinced of the latter myself, since Assange isn’t a US citizen). But that link is not necessary for prosecuting and incarcerating Manning.

J.E. Dyer on January 25, 2011 at 3:10 PM

After 25 years of working around and with Marines, I know not to piss off those guys and gals. Ya stay on their good side and you’re “good to go”. Step over the line and you’re forever persona non grata. They’re a great bunch, overall, so I do my best to treat them with deference.

odat on January 25, 2011 at 6:21 PM

Yeah. On the principles of Firedoglake World, everyone would get to go after anyone he didn’t like, in any manner he felt was justified, with no regard for the rule of law.

J E Dyer

yeah, they’re unwilling to recognize the law when it conflicts with their desires.
they have that in common with the people who defended Americans torturing people in their custody.

audiculous on January 25, 2011 at 6:23 PM

Don’t feed the troll

odat on January 25, 2011 at 6:27 PM

Manning’s visitors grew increasingly outraged at being subjected to a variety of indignities which included demands that they provide proper identification and being made to wait outside in the 28 degree weather

ZOMFG ZOMFG 28 degrees? That’s just so cruel! (God I wish I could walk outside and be forced to wait in 28 degree weather.)

Oh, dude. That’s seriously cold.

Jazz Shaw on January 24, 2011 at 12:40 PM

Not as cold as the 28 degree weather she had to wait outside in.

RINO in Name Only on January 25, 2011 at 7:19 PM

The idea that anyone would treat Jane Hamsher in a rude and disrespectful manner is …. oddly gratifying.

short fuse and nasty mouth on her sometimes.

audiculous on January 25, 2011 at 7:35 PM

When I worked for ABC news(as a motorcycle courier) a genius correspondant missed the Press Pool bus to travel w/then President Bush. I gave him a ride to the gate at Andrews AFB and of course I wasnt cleared in through security with 30 minutes notice. He was on the list and allowed on the base; but he had to walk. He almost got arrested for his “dont you know who I am?” attitude. The last I saw he was moving at a good clip, somewhere between a jog and a sprint. Those guys dont take no crap from anybody. Hamsher was lucky to be treated as well as she was. Courtesy call? Thats a laugh in and of itself.

Lunkinator on January 25, 2011 at 8:57 PM

I occasionally visit a base near Big Sur, Ft. Hunter Ligget, to hike where you can drive on from the Big Sur side without even going through the gate. However, at the main gate they are very fussy about current registration and proof of insurance. In any case, it’s a military base, not a public park, and they don’t have to provide stage facilities for asinine, left-wing political theater.

Heck, I was borne at Quantico and I can’t get on without my dad and his stickers and ID.

kd6rxl on January 26, 2011 at 10:49 AM

Yesterday I went to the coming home of fallen hero SPC Jose Torre at Los Alamitos Reserve Base in CA. The sign at the base main gate said “100% ID Check”, and they meant it. The driver was required to state our business, produce his driver’s license and proof of insurance; I had to produce my driver’s license. The guard actually read them, too. Did the same for the 100+ Patriot Guard Riders.

Jane Hamsher should be ecstatic that everyone is treated the same – whether you are a citizen going to pay your respects to someone who sacrificed their life for this nation, or a petty grandstanding media blowhard. Or, is she actually more for that whole elitist class thingy where she is more equal than the others?

in_awe on January 26, 2011 at 4:21 PM

Or, is she actually more for that whole elitist class thingy where she is more equal than the others?

in_awe on January 26, 2011 at 4:21 PM

Yes.

Blake on January 27, 2011 at 10:47 AM