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MTV’s Teen Abortion Sales Pitch: It’s Just “A Ball of Cells”

posted at 9:30 pm on December 30, 2010 by

Originally posted at NewsReal

In July of this year, leftist Feminists were openly, and proudly, rooting for an abortion to be portrayed on prime-time television. And in April of this year, leftist Feminists like Jessica Valenti of Feministing were grossly bemoaning the fact that Mtv’s show, 16 and Pregnant, did not portray any teenage girls having abortions. They wanted sixteen year old girls to have abortions. On television.  Way to be pro-woman and For The Children ™, faux feminists! By For The Children, I of course mean totally not at all for the children – unless they can be used and exploited to further an agenda, natch. You see, it’s never actually about women nor children to them; it’s always about an agenda and an ideology that treats motherhood as a yoke around a woman’s neck. Motherhood is so old school and oppressive and stuff! What with those pesky children wanting to be nurtured and loved, while providing a joy that fills one’s heart so full that it cannot be adequately put into words. Well, and wanting to, you know, live. Who do they think they are?

On Tuesday night, they got their wish. Mtv ran a special called “No Easy Decision”, in which Markai, a girl who had previously appeared on 16 and Pregnant, learned that she was pregnant again.

And she terminated the pregnancy baby’s life.

I watched the “special”, even though I didn’t think that I needed to do so in order to point out how wrong such a show is on so many levels. But, unlike Ana Marie Cox, I don’t like to talk about things that I have neither read nor watched, nor do I like to do things half-assedly. And, it turns out, the show was even worse than I suspected it would be. It was infuriating and horrifying, almost beyond words. It was also heartbreaking beyond belief. My heart aches for Markai, and for the other girls (Natalia and Katie) who appeared in the discussion portion of the show.

The pro-abortion rah-rah sisterhood, of course, praised it immediately, which should indicate just how strong the show’s bias was. If you needed any further proof than the fact that the show was aired commercial-free, in partnership with Exhale, a group who says that they wish to raise awareness that abortion “is normal in the reproductive lives of women and girls.” Yes, every woman’s “reproductive life” (love the fancy-pants euphemism) includes the killing of an unborn child. You women who don’t have abortions? Total abnormal freaks! Just look at Sarah Palin, for cripes sake. Wingnuts!

The show was entirely agenda-driven and these young girls were sickly used and exploited for that purpose only. The token nod to a pro-life position was a quick question in the discussion panel: “Did you consider adoption?” One of the girls said that wouldn’t have been an option because it wasn’t the baby part that was scary; it was that pregnancy is icky. She had an abortion to avoid pregnancy symptoms. Another one spoke of the sacrifices (her word) that she had to make to pay the $750.00 abortion fee. Her prom ticket, for one.

Sacrifice was a running theme, except it appears that the word has lost any real meaning. The girls spoke of not wanting to sacrifice their college plans. Or of not wanting their partners to sacrifice by having to work two jobs to support another child. And  Markai spoke of not wanting her living infant child to “sacrifice for my mistake.” Such rationales were among the most heartbreaking because it’s what we’ve been teaching our youth with society’s insidious entitlement mentality. There is no right to life, but there is a right to college and a right to not be poor. We can’t put a child through going without food or losing electricity for a few days; losing one’s LIFE is far preferable.

It’s also another example of how leftist feminists actually think very little of women and how pervasive their disturbing mindset has become. To them, a woman is incapable of having it all. A pregnant woman or a mother is incapacitated to the point where she can’t even read a book or attend classes, apparently. They’ve turned college into a need; one can’t meet their twisted ideas of equality without it. They’ve placed a higher value on an increasingly meaningless piece of paper than on life itself and are trying to teach our daughters the same. Plus, why is college a make or break situation? Is a woman somehow lesser if she doesn’t get a college degree? They must think I’m a third class citizen!

The incredibly harmful lies propagated during “No Easy Decision” were matched only by the awful truths about the pro-abortion agenda that the show unintentionally unmasked. Pro-abortionist Lynn Harris, at Salon, exposed one such awful truth and, worse, actually praised it:

Here’s Dr. Drew opening the show — and racking up stunned “FTW!”s (For The Win!) on Twitter right out of the gate: “About 750,000 girls in the U.S. get pregnant every year. And although nearly a third of these teen pregnancies result in abortion, we’ve never shown this choice on ’16 and Pregnant’ up until now. It can be a polarizing topic, and there’s quite frankly no way to talk about this and please everyone. Although controversial to some, abortion is one of the three viable options, and it’s among the safest, most common medical procedures in the U.S., so we thought it was important for us to discuss.”

Among the most common “medical procedures” in the United States. So much for that safe, legal and rare thing, huh? That lie has been completely exposed already and there are over 50 million dead fetuses that attest to that fact.  They don’t want it to be rare; they want it to be the default option as No Easy Decision, and the glee-ridden leftist feminist response to it, clearly shows. In fact, they want it to be “normal” and common. And will outright lie in order to accomplish this. Markai was told by the abortion clinic counselor as she was being prepped for the abortion, “do not think of ‘it’ as ten fingers and ten toes or anything like that or you will get too depressed. Think of ‘it’ as what ‘it’ is: a ball of cells.” I suppose that’s why children are not even allowed in the waiting room of the clinic; don’t want any of those pesky balls of cells running around confusing people.

A ball of cells. Also,wait a minute? Why would one ever risk feeling depressed? According to pro-abortionists, it’s no big whoop and there is nothing sad about it. It’s a relief, you see! Dr. Drew himself told the girls that they may be confused and stuff, but no big whoop. In two years most women realize it was the right decision. There’s a time frame and everything! In two years, all will be hunky-dory. That didn’t appear to be the case with the girls on the show, particularly Markai. Her confusion, and her pain, were palpable. Her boyfriend, the father of her living child as well, took her out to dinner after the abortion and referred to the unborn baby that was aborted as “a thing.” Markai became extremely upset and said “that thing could have turned out to be her” and pointed to their living infant child. I guess the lie about the “ball of cells” didn’t work for her. I don’t think it ever will; I ache for Markai.

Much was also made about how terrible it is that sometimes an abortion is made slightly more difficult to obtain. During the panel discussion, Natalia complained about how hard it is to have to “beg a judge for permission to make your own decision”, due to parental consent laws. She did receive a judicial bypass. The reason? She didn’t want to tell her parents and disappoint them. How on earth does that constitute a reason for a judicial bypass of parental consent? How does it supersede parental rights? That judge should be thrown off the bench. Worse, Natalia went without the love and support of her family in a time when she needed it most. Where is the compassion there? Where is the “informed” choice? Salon jumped right on the parental consent laws, calling them cruel. They also went onto say this:

(In an extended interview available online, Natalia also describes the cruelty of being legally forced to view the pre-procedure ultrasound.)

Cruelty? If actual informed choice, instead of lip service informed choice, is cruel. See, that whole ball of cells lie won’t work if a woman sees the actual baby. Of course, to Lynn Harris at Salon and pro-abortionists like her, that is cruel, yet there’s nothing cruel about making life expendable nor about disposing of a life before he or she even had a chance at A life. That matters naught to leftists. The only people who think the fear of being grounded by their parents is more important than a life itself are people who remain immature and child-like their entire lives. To wit, leftists. They never grew up, they never stopped rebelling against their parents. And they are attempting to teach the same to each subsequent generation. Don’t tell your parents! A super awesome nanny state judge will let you do whatever you want, decency be damned. It’s funny how much they dislike mommies and daddies, but they love them some Nannies.

They also love to give lip service without actually doing anything. Exhale set up a site called 16 and Loved. It was set-up to allegedly shield the girls from those wingnutty people who, you know, don’t rejoice over abortion. How cuckoo pants! Meanwhile, the whole 16 and loved website is all about praising the girls for “outing” their abortions. Because, empowerment.

What the girls really need is actual support.  They’ve been lied to and now, on top of that, they’ve been used and exploited, even if with their consent, to push an agenda. I don’t wish to do them further harm. My heart breaks for them. When they realize what they have done, and they will, the pain of their regret, remorse and guilt will be compounded by the knowledge that they did this all publicly and on display. This is the mentality the girls have been taught. In a way, they are actually victims themselves and now that they’ve served their purpose to the left, they’ll just be tossed aside.

You see, it’s pro-life people who don’t judge and who provide meaningful support. It’s pro-life people who acknowledge the pain and harm abortion also causes to women and who seek ways to embrace them and help them. Pro-abortionists deny their very existence. They deny, always, the trauma that abortion may also cause to the woman. They deny the life-long guilt and pain those women bear. They deny the very fact that a life was sucked from his or her mother’s womb, mercilessly. Never once feeling a loving touch. Never once gazing into his mother’s eyes. Never once raising a tiny hand to touch his mommy’s cheek with a love that cannot even truly be expressed.

That’s your legacy, Gloria Steinem, and that of your fellow travelers. A legacy that is a stain on the heart and soul of our country. A legacy that we must not let continue onto yet another generation. You do not “empower” girls by telling them the life they create can be tossed aside for college. You do not empower girls by telling them a sacrifice is giving up a prom ticket to pay for the aborting of the life they created. You do not empower girls by turning motherhood into a burden to be avoided at all costs; even at the cost of that life itself. You do not empower girls by exploiting them to further your agendas.

Abortion will not, and should not, ever be “normal.” Because, Motherhood is normal to humans and so is nurturing. Rejoicing in the miracle of giving life yourself and then nurturing that life once given. That is within us; it’s instinct and female human nature. It is something of which to be proud and it should be honored, not diminished. It is an attribute and a gift, not a punishment.

If Markai, Natalia and Katie realize this one day, I fear that their pain and guilt will be nearly unbearable. Not only were lives lost, but other lives were potentially traumatized forever. Somehow, I don’t think MTv, nor 16 and Loved will be there for them then. And that’s yet another horrifying aspect of No Easy Decision.

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Adults are balls of cells too. Just bigger, more a-holey ones….

mjk on December 31, 2010 at 12:09 AM

I would like to see, just once, the story of a lady who made up her mind one way or the other without going through a bunch of drama lama sob-story bullcr@p to get to her decision, and without trying to ‘send a message’ with all the subtlety of an atomic bomb!

MTV is not being helpful in the slightest by acting like a snotty kindergartener going “nah nanny boo-boo!” to their opponents. It cheapens the debate in general and their side in particular.

Dark-Star on December 31, 2010 at 12:44 AM

very sad state of affairs…

evil has won

cmsinaz on December 31, 2010 at 7:03 AM

very sad state of affairs…

evil has won

cmsinaz on December 31, 2010 at 7:03 AM

That ship sailed a long time ago. I hope you’re not just noticing now.

gryphon202 on December 31, 2010 at 9:31 AM

Liberals always bemoan “Big Business.”

Heh, Abortion Mills are a huge business.

And lemme’ tell ya’, business is-a-boomin’!

blatantblue on December 31, 2010 at 10:13 AM

No, this act just clarifies it even more

cmsinaz on December 31, 2010 at 10:15 AM

evil has won

cmsinaz on December 31, 2010 at 7:03 AM

Not yet. Plus, it’s always been with us.

darwin on December 31, 2010 at 10:18 AM

So MTV is now doing ads for Planned Butchers?

darwin on December 31, 2010 at 10:19 AM

A ball of cells.

You know, even if one believes it is simply a ball of cells, without a soul, etc…

…one should realize that ball of cells has a potential to be so much more, and that should be enough to keep it.

blatantblue on December 31, 2010 at 10:21 AM

How do you sell the theory that they are a ball of cells when it is inconvenient but the miracle of life when you are ready to be a parent. Do these people explore adoption in these shows at all?

Cindy Munford on December 31, 2010 at 10:21 AM

I am the father of a child that we chose to abort 39 years ago. The memory of that awful decision has never left me. I am only comfortable in the fact that my child went to heaven.

rockerpeople on December 31, 2010 at 10:23 AM

I would like to see, just once, the story of a lady who made up her mind one way or the other without going through a bunch of drama lama sob-story bullcr@p to get to her decision, and without trying to ‘send a message’ with all the subtlety of an atomic bomb!

MTV is not being helpful in the slightest by acting like a snotty kindergartener going “nah nanny boo-boo!” to their opponents. It cheapens the debate in general and their side in particular.

Dark-Star on December 31, 2010 at 12:44 AM

Two women already did that. They are Sarah & Bristol Palin. You see what happened to them when they made their choices, right?

mizflame98 on December 31, 2010 at 10:32 AM

I was going to write that liberals and their ilk are nothing but a culture of death. But I can’t because it’s not the truth.

The truth: liberals and their ilk are a DEATH CULT.

Dominion on December 31, 2010 at 10:45 AM

MTV’s Teen Abortion Sales Pitch: It’s Just “A Ball of Cells”

Video was supposed to kill the radio star. It failed.

Now it has turned its’ attention to the defenseless – the unborn.

rukiddingme on December 31, 2010 at 10:48 AM

You really can’t blame them. Everyone under the age of 37 has grown up in the “abortion generation”. Every last one of them could have had their lives snuffed out before they had a chance to begin.

Is it any wonder they’re jaded, pessimistic and hold few meaningful values. All they have ever been shown is how cheep life is and that they’re just lucky to be here. To me it’s a wonder any babies are born at all in the western world.

The liberals have the right idea. If you control the flow of information, you control the people.

Tommy_G on December 31, 2010 at 10:51 AM

Brilliantly written, Lori! Unfortunately, too many self-described conservatives are really half liberal, half conservative. Only fiscal matters deserve conservative logic, to many HA readers (and, it seems lately, our hosts). That’s why most HA readers will see your title & skip over this. It would be too inconvenient to think about this issue, let alone do anything about it.

itsnotaboutme on December 31, 2010 at 11:07 AM

Call it a puppy. Then they’ll freak out and carry it to term.

John the Libertarian on December 31, 2010 at 11:08 AM

Call it a puppy. Then they’ll freak out and carry it to term.

John the Libertarian on December 31, 2010 at 11:08 AM

Good point. Start calling for partial birth abortion for pregnant dogs, cats, dolphins … whatever. Just say the squirming little creature is just a ball of cells.

darwin on December 31, 2010 at 11:18 AM

MTV=Monstrous TV.

PattyJ on December 31, 2010 at 11:19 AM

itsnotaboutme on December 31, 2010 at 11:07 AM

It is surprising how strongly some people argue on here to shut down any debate on abortion. Mostly it’s just guys who want to keep their money but don’t care about abortion because it conflicts with their personal lives. The best thing is the culture is changing about abortion. It’s now down to only a 25% rate, instead of 33%. In my age group, people don’t care if you’re pro-life and are even positive about it. But talk about discrimination of gays and you’ll get an earful.

TimTebowSavesAmerica on December 31, 2010 at 11:25 AM

Call it a puppy. Then they’ll freak out and carry it to term.

John the Libertarian on December 31, 2010 at 11:08 AM

Aye, something like “womb kittens” should do the trick. As we all know, animal life is more precious than human life.

Lori, very nice essay. It would be easy to let my blood pressure go through the roof while reading this horrific account, but we’ve all got to stay rational if we ever want to have a shot at rolling back the culture of death the left has imposed on our world.

KGB on December 31, 2010 at 11:49 AM

Call it a puppy. Then they’ll freak out and carry it to term.

John the Libertarian on December 31, 2010 at 11:08 AM

We can go further and call it an eagle egg and then they will go to jail if they kill it.

mizflame98 on December 31, 2010 at 12:07 PM

I am the father of a child that we chose to abort 39 years ago. The memory of that awful decision has never left me. I am only comfortable in the fact that my child went to heaven.

rockerpeople on December 31, 2010 at 10:23 AM

First: I will pray for you.

Second: This, THIS is what is hidden–while I have only a small sample (n=3), EACH of the women *I* know personally who have had abortions as teens/college students are not only STILL MESSED UP about it, but it has become the CENTRAL pain of their lives.

Clearly, G-d/Darwin/Etc. did not design women (at least not ALL women)–or, heck, all PROGENITORS (regardless of sex)–to abort. That it is aggressively suppressed that for SOME percentage (and likely not an insignificant percentage) abortion is clearly the wrong, wrong WRONGITY-WRONG “choice” is another piece of the Feminist (dare I say it?) hysteria.

One other point: given that pregnancy is relatively safe today, most especially for the younger set, it is even MORE of a shame (if not a crime) that their healthy offspring are not given to a loving, desirous, and deserving family. Infertile couples would LINE UP to take on and take in their unwanted baby.

Hieronymus on December 31, 2010 at 12:12 PM

Brilliantly written, Lori! Unfortunately, too many self-described conservatives are really half liberal, half conservative. Only fiscal matters deserve conservative logic, to many HA readers (and, it seems lately, our hosts). That’s why most HA readers will see your title & skip over this. It would be too inconvenient to think about this issue, let alone do anything about it.

itsnotaboutme on December 31, 2010 at 11:07 AM

True, but not comprehensive enough at ratting them out. Fiscal Conservatism can be influenced by status and means while Moral Conservatism can only come from the heart.

ericdijon on December 31, 2010 at 12:17 PM

I would like to see, just once, the story of a lady who made up her mind one way or the other without going through a bunch of drama lama sob-story bullcr@p to get to her decision, and without trying to ‘send a message’ with all the subtlety of an atomic bomb!

MTV is not being helpful in the slightest by acting like a snotty kindergartener going “nah nanny boo-boo!” to their opponents. It cheapens the debate in general and their side in particular.

Dark-Star on December 31, 2010 at 12:44 AM

I agree. I think feminist like women to face a “difficult choice” because it makes women into victims. Yeah! a victim card for the ladies!

The women who have told me about their abortions tell me that they never felt the slightest qualm about their abortions, but my view of abortion prompts women with that experience to talk to me about it. The women who want to feel guilt and enjoy the victimhood of making a “tough choice” aren’t going to talk to me about their experiences, since I’m not a sympathetic listener to such rhetoric. When it comes to abortion, you can find women who tell what story you want them to tell, from deep guilt and conflict to the utter lack of both.

thuja on December 31, 2010 at 12:18 PM

darwin on December 31, 2010 at 10:18 AM

it’s definitely in our face…big time

remember when MTV used to show videos….those were the days…

cmsinaz on December 31, 2010 at 12:37 PM

What do Muslims think about abortion? I mean, aren’t the lefties always so overtly concerned about their culture?

yubley on December 31, 2010 at 12:47 PM

So a school nurse can give a kid Tylenol without parental consent (what if the kid is allergic?), but abortions – no consent required. Sick society we live in.

redfoxbluestate on December 31, 2010 at 1:29 PM

Call it a puppy. Then they’ll freak out and carry it to term.

John the Libertarian on December 31, 2010 at 11:08 AM

Sea kitten.

These stupid evil bastards piss and moan about Sarah Palin [and others] clubbing the sh!t out of halibut and hunting caribou, while at the same time they have Planned Parenthood on their speed dials.

No words are strong enough to adequately convey just how evil these sub-human bastards are.

gary4205 on December 31, 2010 at 1:41 PM

I watched the episode online and it was painful to watch. MTV can call unborn babies a ball of cells, but anyone with a heart knows it’s a baby. My heart goes out to each of these girls. This was and is a painful decision these girls made. Each one is still haunted by what they “chose” to do. If abortion was no big deal, these girls would be beaming with excitement, sharing how wonderful their lives are because they terminated a pregnancy. But instead, each had tears streaming down their cheeks. Who knew anyone would cry over a “ball of cells?”

BTW, I’m sick of being told a baby will limit your life and ruin your chance for a successful, prosperous life. And, I’m sick of being told that because I’m a woman I’m an automatic victim.

I’m thankful for my two “ball of cells.”

Conservative Bambina on December 31, 2010 at 1:58 PM

The Exale website is worse than I had feared. It has stories of women and their abortion. The stories are all refracted though the leftosphere. One woman who wrote about having an abortion is described like this:

Patricia Justine Tumang is Co-editor of the Seal Press anthology Homelands: Women’s Journeys Across Race, Place, and Time (www.homelandsanthology.com). She is a Queer Filipina American writer and activist who lives in Oakland, CA.

If she is so queer, why did she get pregnant?

thuja on December 31, 2010 at 2:02 PM

I’ll never understand the objection to parental notification laws. We live in country where a teenager can be expelled from high school for taking a Tylenol without a note from Mommy on file in the nurse’s office, but it’s perfectly alright for them to go to a clinic and have an invasive procedure involving local anesthetic that will have likely have lasting effects with no parental consent whatsoever. Even if you ARE pro-choice, I don’t know how you justify this. If my teenager had an abortion without my knowledge, I would be incensed.

NoLeftTurn on December 31, 2010 at 2:03 PM

These stupid evil bastards piss and moan about Sarah Palin [and others] clubbing the sh!t out of halibut and hunting caribou, while at the same time they have Planned Parenthood on their speed dials.

gary4205 on December 31, 2010 at 1:41 PM

No kidding, I was showing my brother’s new wife video of my recent vacation at a cattle ranch and she was squealing at the poor calves who got branded and castrated and how cruel it was … meanwhile she’s thinks I’m backwards for being pro-life. It really boggles the mind….

CityFish on December 31, 2010 at 3:25 PM

I’ve never understood how abortion could be described as a “safe” procedure. It seems to me that there are two patients: the survival rate for one is consistently zero and the other is some number less than 100.

BKeyser on December 31, 2010 at 3:41 PM

This is a great post, sad though it may be.

You will be reviled by the militantly feminist crowd until the end of time. That, my friend, is better than a Pulitzer.

hillbillyjim on December 31, 2010 at 4:31 PM

Great review. I love your writing on this topic. It’s passionate, clear and full of zingers.

John on December 31, 2010 at 5:15 PM

thuja on December 31, 2010 at 12:18 PM

Meh. Maybe I’ve been a bit overwhelmed by the drama queens and celebrities on both sides.

Dark-Star on December 31, 2010 at 5:51 PM

Dark-Tard : don’t let that whole human life thing get in the way. /

CWforFreedom on December 31, 2010 at 6:45 PM

Think of ‘it’ as what ‘it’ is: a ball of cells.”

As one commenter pointed out, we are all clumps of cells. Or, put another way, that ball of cells is still an individual, living, human being. There is no sane way to justify killing one human life for another’s convenience. Those who are pro-abortion try to come up with various ways to classify the unborn as “less than human”, but look at slavery or the holocaust; the darkest episodes in human history have always followed when we decided that one group of humans was somehow “less than” the rest of us.

bitsy on December 31, 2010 at 7:01 PM

Horrible. Those poor, exploited girls.

OmahaConservative on January 2, 2011 at 9:14 AM

CrazyWingnutfor’Freedom’: don’t let logic get in the way of your ranting.

Dark-Star on January 2, 2011 at 1:13 PM

…one should realize that ball of cells has a potential to be so much more, and that should be enough to keep it.

blatantblue on December 31, 2010 at 10:21 AM

You are on the slippery slope heading downward. Everything, including the uncombined sperm and egg, has potential. It’s what that clump of cells is from a science standpoint — a separate human being — which should give it all the rights of humanity.

That states recognize fetal homicide in some cases but not in carefully crafted other cases is a true indication that the other side understands the humanity of the embryo/fetus/unborn child yet chooses to ignore it.

There was a similar situation 150 years ago in which one person had the power of life or death over another — and we fought a war to either keep or stop it. There won’t be a war this time, for the enemy is us.

unclesmrgol on January 3, 2011 at 2:42 AM

This, THIS is what is hidden–while I have only a small sample (n=3), EACH of the women *I* know personally who have had abortions as teens/college students are not only STILL MESSED UP about it, but it has become the CENTRAL pain of their lives.

Hieronymus on December 31, 2010 at 12:12 PM

So many capital letters and italics in this article and the comments section! Sorry, your small sample kind of negates your argument. I know two women who have had abortions and while they would prefer to go back and not get pregnant, they are by no means “MESSED UP” about it and it’s not the “CENTRAL” pain of their lives.

I really feel the need to address this idea that pro-choice conservatives aren’t “true conservatives”. Conservative has lost all meaning for me over the last few years. I have many “conservative” views and some “liberal” views. I’m for gun rights and gay rights. I want drugs and trans fats legalized. I’m OK with killing for food and with abortion. I have some very real issues with abortions later in pregnancy, but I also believe that fetuses (particularly early in pregnancy) are not the same as children. Maybe it’s because I’m an atheist.

As for MTV, we’re all aware that they have a hard liberal bent to them. Whether they’re advocating abortion is a debate that can be had. But even if they are, abortion is a legal procedure. I’m not sure what the aim is here. Are you wanting MTV to not be allowed to show this program? If not, are you just blustering to feel like you’re “doing something”? Sorry, but abortion is very unlikely to be banned in our lifetime, and I’m glad. So no, I’m probably not a “true conservative”, but whatever side you’re on, shrill screeds against the horrors of MTV accomplish little besides pushing yourselves to the margins of the debate.

sobincorporated on January 5, 2011 at 3:42 PM

@ sobincorporated, at 3:42 PM – - –

From your lengthy attempt to justify abortion, one bit jumped out: in the analogies you chose, you equated being ok with killing for food as being ok with abortion.

I’m trying to decide whether there’s some vague hope for you in that you do apparently realize that abortion IS killing – or whether there’s little hope for you because you apparently see killing as a matter-of-fact-solution to an inconvenient problem.

The abortion side of your “killing” analogy would seem to take survival-of-the-fittest to the extreme.

But, then – because abortion is so common, and so commonly revered – perhaps it is merely pecking-order taken to the extreme, as in “looking out for number one”.

P.S.: belief in God isn’t a prerequisite for discerning right from wrong

GGMac on January 5, 2011 at 6:34 PM

This nonchalant attitude being instilled by MTV and liberals into the minds of teens – and pre-teens – is really disturbing, and what’s more disturbing is the indifference to the present and future well-being of the emotionally ill-equipped girls residing within women’s bodies. Therer are tears streaming down their faces because they know in their hearts that what they’re doing is wrong.
To achieve their agenda, liberals tell these vunerable girls it’s all about freedom of choice. We who would tell them the truth are denigrated – we who tell them freedom of choice is not about abortion; who tell them freedom of choice is about whether or not pregnancy is invited – and that no birth control means pregnancy is being invited.
And the awful truth – the politically incorrect, awful truth is that the only freedom abortion is about is freedom of selfishness.

GGMac on January 5, 2011 at 9:22 PM

If they had really wanted to watch an abortion they could have gone to http://www.abortionNO.org I doubt they would be willing to watch a regular ultrasound much less an ultrasound of a live action abortion. I doubt they have the stomach to even look at still pictures of bloody aborted babies and compare the lies they’ve been told to the truth. Again, http://www.abortionNO.org showes videos, pictures, and age / development pictures. Abortionist survive in the dark; shine a light on them and show how horrible it really is.

AnotherOpinion on January 6, 2011 at 9:50 PM