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GZ Imam: Ground Zero Is Not “Hallowed Ground”

posted at 3:29 pm on September 13, 2010 by

AP reports that Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf has said he is looking for a “resolution to the raging debate” over the proposed location of his Cordoda House mosque.

In a question-and-answer session following a speech before the Council on Foreign Relations, Rauf said, “We are exploring all options as we speak right now, and we are working to what will be a solution, God willing, that will resolve this crisis, diffuse it and not create any unforeseen or untoward circumstances that we do not want to see happen.”

So does that mean he’s amenable to finding another location? Not necessarily, though when asked whether the project was worth all the angst an bitterness that have arisen around it, he replied, “The answer is a categorical yes. Why? Because this center will be a place for all faiths to come together in mutual respect.”

But the highlight of the Q & A was Rauf’s claim that “[i]t is absolutely disingenuous as some have suggested that the block [on which he wants to build his cultural center] is hallowed ground.” The reason for his reaction? Because there are strip joints and betting parlors nearby.

There is a problem in the imam’s reasoning. Even assuming that the strip joints and betting parlors were built since September 11, 2001–and it is entirely conceivable they were already there–their addition in no way diminishes the sacred nature of the memorial to those so senselessly lost on that fateful day. It is perhaps in questionable taste to build a betting parlor across the street from a cemetery, but doing so does not prevent those wishing to pay their respects from making visits to the gravesites of lost loved ones.

But a question that seems to logically arise now is why the imam would choose to build his mosque across the street from extant strip joints and betting parlors. Wouldn’t he and his fellow worshipers feel more comfortable praying in a different location?

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Could it be this imam will see to it the ‘strip joints and betting parlors’ get the boot? Would dear bloomberg do a eminent domain on these businesses to make the rop type feel right at home? This imam is not getting the public to have a warm and fuzzy feeling about this. The more he talks the worse it gets.
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letget on September 13, 2010 at 3:39 PM

But in a larger sense we can not dedicate – we can not consecrate – we can not hallow this ground. The brave men, living and dead, who struggled, here, have consecrated it far above our poor power to add or detract. The world will little note, nor long remember, what we say here, but can never forget what they did here.

It is for us, the living, rather to be dedicated here to the unfinished work which they have, thus far, so nobly carried on. It is rather for us to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us – that from these honored dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which they here gave the last full measure of devotion – that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain; that this nation shall have a new birth of freedom; and that this government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth.

Abraham Lincoln

Chip on September 13, 2010 at 4:12 PM

How about Mecca, they have lots of empty land, that no one wants.

tarpon on September 13, 2010 at 4:17 PM

There is only one solution that is acceptable.

Move it away.

Anything less will result in more pressure to move it away.

It is time for this Imam to demonstrate his sensitivity, compassion and understanding.
It is time for him to submit, if you will, to the majority of this nation.

%70 or so of this nation draw the line here.

You shall not pass. This is not negotiable, move it away.

Give in to this one, simple clear demand, and you will have done a major deed to build bridges between faiths by making a noble sacrifice on behalf of the hearts of others.

Do not, and you do the opposite.
You inflame hostility, and reopen deep wounds of war.
That is the situation, and it will not change no matter how many words you string together.
Move it away.

The Abraham Lincoln quote was perfect.

Brian1972 on September 13, 2010 at 4:51 PM

One more thing.

You don’t get to decide what is hallowed ground.

The rest of the country, and the families of those who died have decided that question by nightfall of September 11, 2001.

You are treading on thin ice with that statement.

This is a tolerant nation, the most tolerant nation.

We will only take so much provocation, and this is pushing it beyond the limit.

Brian1972 on September 13, 2010 at 5:05 PM

Maybe his solution is to have the Cordoba House also be the known as the Cordoba Cathouse.

batterup on September 13, 2010 at 7:21 PM

This is a tolerant free nation, the most tolerant freedom-loving nation.

We will only take so much provocation, and this is pushing it beyond the limit.

Brian1972 on September 13, 2010 at 5:05 PM

There is a difference between tolerance and freedom. We no more have to “tolerate” Imam Rauf and his merry band of Islamists than I have to “tolerate” being punched in the face; your right to swing your fist ends at my nose.

gryphon202 on September 13, 2010 at 7:29 PM

This argument always drives me up the wall.

First of all, who is he to say what is hallowed and what isn’t?

Second of all, (and I’ve said this before, can’t remember if I’ve made this argument here though) if a bunch of rogue strippers hijacked some planes full of innocent people and flew those planes into buildings full of more innocent people then you know what–I would have a problem with strip joints being so close to Ground Zero.

Another example–a few years ago here in Rhode Island we had The Station Nightclub fire–a hundred people lost their lives that night due primarily to faulty pyrotechnics. Now, it would probably be legal for someone to set up a fireworks business within a block or two of the site, but would it be appropriate? Of course not, and the people against it would not have that position because they have a deep-seated hatred for fireworks salesmen.

The left has made this entire argument about “religious intolerance” when it’s purely about appropriateness, a point of view they refuse to acknowledge. To them, it’s all about religious bigotry and this Imam has done nothing but continue that disingenuous line of thinking.

Niere on September 13, 2010 at 7:39 PM

The mosque is without question a victory mosque, built in the tradition of Isalam to build a grand mosque at the location where they vanquished a foe. With Obama’s actions and deadlines for retreat, how can they not feel they have won. The same people; terroist and governments that were responsible for the attack on our nation are the same ones that are building the mosque, providing the money and the demand that it be built.

Can the Imam move the mosque? The more proper question is what would the consequences of his moving the mosque have at this point. Once Islam own something it is forever their and the Mosque now falls into that realm of ownership. They will not accept any compromise that does not build the victory mosque next to groud zero.

The Imam may approve of the mosque but realizes the situation that is building in America against it and incresingly against Islam. He should also be aware of the wished of those who want the mosque built and the terrorist they command. He is between a rock and a hard place and eitherway, Islam is in the fire. If he can move it, all will be well with Americans as we harbor no ill will against the more peaceful practice of the religion. However if he does move it, then the Islamic terroist will begin massived murderous suicide attacks against Americans in an attempt to force us into submission.

The Imam is probably more aware than us of the nature of Obama’s true religous beliefs and the conflicts an Islamic war against Americans will have for him. he is probably also aware of just how unprepared and restricted his government is to deal with terroist and protecting the nation from them.

It seems as if he is choosing to wait and see if he can find a way to get the American people to accept the mosque. Of the two sides, we are the only one that will not wage murder to get our way.

Obama has voted for the mosque to be built. He is trying to portray that there is no difference between a mosque and a christian church, aside from the fact that a muslim can enter a christian church, but a christian, or otherwise a non believer, can not enter a mosque. He is totally ignoring as if it has not been mentioned that a mosque in that location is not just a mosque, like the two others just blocks away, but it is victory mosque overlooking the ground where they struck America.

Obama professes to be a Christian and undoubtly his wife and children are, but we only see him in church when politics need for him to be there. There might be a good reason for this as well as inability to distiguish between a church and a mosque. He might be Islamic.

He was introduced to Islam when he was six and openly embraced it as his religion until he was ten. People tend to keep the religion they were exposed as a child. Obama never has denouced his first religion. He has no reason to do so and to the contray, seems to despertly need the acceptance of the muslims. His inner child as a narcissist probably has a lot to do with that need. Through his actions and words we see him favoring and otherwise protecting Islam and muslims when it is within his power to do so, and uniquely, not because they will vote for him. Amoung some of the signs of a belief are his speeches to muslims and what he has said in them, in the correct and expected venitular of a muslim. Amoung those could be said his claim to be president of the larges muslim nation in the world. Talk aside there are actions as well. When he went to Turkey his desire was to visit a very old mosque. When he did he removed his shoes and went inside, where only believers are allowed to enter. He then later bowed deeply in a manner of tribute to the Keeper of the two Mosque, otherwise known as the Saudi King. It must have been more telling that most realized as he went to pains to also bow to other world leaders, though not in the same manner of a tribute. Conjuncture it might be, but the eveidence is almost lacking entirely to the contrary.

Muslim or not, maybe he is hoping to someday stand at ground zero, looking up at that grand victory mosque while listening to the sweetest sound he says he knows, the song of the evening call to worship. He can even sing along with it, in arabic. Wonder if he can sing our national athem, not tht he would try, or recite the pledge of allegince, which he probably does not know without a teleprompter.

Franklyn on September 13, 2010 at 8:21 PM

Franklyn on September 13, 2010 at 8:21 PM

It can’t be seen from the WTC site. The tower will look down on it. You really don’t know what you are talking about.

lexhamfox on September 13, 2010 at 8:59 PM

It can’t be seen from the WTC site. The tower will look down on it. You really don’t know what you are talking about.

lexhamfox on September 13, 2010 at 8:59 PM

Who cares if it can be seen from the hole in the ground? Landing gear from the plane crashed through Park 51′s roof and went through several floors of the building. That makes it part of Ground 0-the site of the attack of the murderous islamo-facists. I’m sure this building could easily have been “seen” from the twin towers IF THEY HAD NOT COLLAPSED BECAUSE PASSENGER PLANES WERE FLOWN INTO THEM IN THE NAME OF ISLAM. The Mulim street celebrated, shot guns, sang, danced, lit fireworks, handed out candy when those towers fell–they celebrated a victory and they intend to build a victory mosque as close to the hole in the ground as they can to show the muslim street and the liberals that they won and that they should be appeased.

Haunches on September 13, 2010 at 9:13 PM

Well, last I checked, Strippers and gamblers did NOT fly planes into the World Trade Center. Muslims did.

The ol’ Imam is deliberately trying to cloud the actual problem.

mjk on September 13, 2010 at 9:20 PM

It can’t be seen from the WTC site. The tower will look down on it. You really don’t know what you are talking about.

lexhamfox on September 13, 2010 at 8:59 PM

The cremated remains followed the path of the landing gear that crashed into the roof. If one of your relatives was burned alive what would you like on their grave?

batterup on September 13, 2010 at 10:11 PM

batterup on September 13, 2010 at 10:11 PM

The cremated remains went all over Lower Manhattan and beyond. We Remember… but life goes on. There should be special memorials and places but not whole sections of town.

lexhamfox on September 14, 2010 at 11:14 AM

The cremated remains went all over Lower Manhattan and beyond. We Remember… but life goes on. There should be special memorials and places but not whole sections of town.

lexhamfox on September 14, 2010 at 11:14 AM

Too bad for you, but %70+ of America sees it differently.

It is hallowed ground, a National Memorial.

We will not tolerate this affront to our nation, period.

Brian1972 on September 14, 2010 at 12:11 PM

@lexhamfox:
I have asked pro-GZM people this question before but have received no answer–If it was proven that the GZM really is meant to be a Victory Mosque, perhaps by Rauf saying so on tape to one of his prospective donors, would you still think it’s cool to build it?

Pervygrin on September 14, 2010 at 6:59 PM

Pervygrin

If it was proven that the GZM really is meant to be a Victory Mosque

is that serious?

You’re asking if the thing was meant maliciously, would people like having it built?

Or are you asking if people are thinking bad thoughts should we prevent them from peacefully exercising their rights?

how about
1) no
2( no

audiculous on September 14, 2010 at 9:06 PM