Burning Korans? I’m Agin It, Too (Plus Additional Thoughts)
posted at 4:46 pm on September 6, 2010 by Howard Portnoy
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Following up on a post by my learned colleague and friend, J.E. Dyer on the announced plans of a church in Florida to burn a copy of the Koran on the ninth anniversary of the 9/11 attacks, I would like to comment on the reaction of Afghans to the annoucement.
This morning, several hundred of them, mostly students, rallied outside a mosque in Kabul. The protesters were well within their rights and morally justified to boot. The desecration planned by Dove World Outreach Center, of Gainesville, Florida, is hateful and unwarranted and has correctly been condemned by religious and political leaders in this country.
Now it is the turn of religious and political leaders in Afghanistan to do the same regarding the demonstrators, who chanted “Death to America” – an action that is equally over-the-top and uncalled for. For a religion that is purportedly one of peace, Islam’s practitioners seem a little trigger happy with the death threats any time they perceive even the hint of a threat.
One of the more level-headed protesters was a student by the name of Wahidullah Nori, who is quoted by Reuters as saying, “We call on America to stop desecrating our Holy Koran.” To him I would say, “Not America, friend, but a handful of people among the 308 million who make their home within the country’s borders.” Singling out the entire nation for the actions of a tiny segment of its population is like – well, singling out an entire religion for the actions of a tiny segment of its adherents that express their “piety” by commandeering jet planes and flying them into buildings.
If Afghanistan’s leaders need help with their statement condemning the ugly remarks by the protesters, here’s a model they can use. It is part of the statement issued this morning by the U.S. Embassy in Kabul, and it reads “Americans from all religious and ethnic backgrounds reject this offensive initiative by this small group in Florida.” It should be fairly easy to plug in the right references.
Since the death threats against America became a reality for 3,000 of our civilians on September, 2001, I would in general expect a little more tolerance from Muslims when these exchanges occur.
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Then we agree, which you’ve said already before seemingly disagreeing with me. I agree with both, though I’d disagree some with Frank J. I’d still rather this didn’t happen.
I’d like to see Muslims get over themselves and be able to laugh off insults, but I personally wouldn’t want to laugh off a Bible burning. I don’t feel OK about Piss Christ. So I understand why they might be too offended to see the larger point on this one, which is why I favor “forcing” them to get a sense of humor through actual humor, hence my support of Everybody Draw Mohamed Day.
The Danish cartoonists had the right idea, but I don’t think this church does.
Esthier on September 8, 2010 at 12:29 PM
The difference is we get offended by anyone desecrating Christian symbols but we don’t go out and blow up innocents, condemn an entire people, or expose our own hypocrisy by constantly burning Western symbols to express a particular viewpoint yet demand no one respond in kind or we’ll kill you.
You and I can have a debate, disagree on minor points, still agree on the larger point, yet neither one of us wants the other dead.
catmman on September 8, 2010 at 12:56 PM
We’ve already agreed on this. I’ve said that their actions aren’t justified. I’m only saying that their actions don’t justify the book burning either.
That’s why I’d rather stay consistent in the kind of insults I support. Jokes are one thing. I can laugh at jokes about Christianity or at least tolerate them. But I don’t even want to be OK with Piss Christ, and so I wouldn’t condone Koran burning. Yes, Muslims need to get over it, but I understand the protesting (peacefully), as that’s consistent with what I expect from Christians when they are egregiously insulted.
Esthier on September 8, 2010 at 1:12 PM
That’s the fly in the proverbial ointment.
KinleyArdal on September 8, 2010 at 3:42 PM
I think it’s wrong, but I think that the Muslims of the world should shut up and give it a rest. What a bunch of cry-babies.
griv on September 9, 2010 at 11:55 AM
That’s their problem, not ours. Those who can’t behave like adults shouldn’t be treated like them.
Esthier on September 9, 2010 at 1:01 PM
If it weren’t also our problem, why are we worried about it?
Of course they shouldn’t be treated like adults, yet that is exactly what they (Muslims) are demanding, isn’t it?
catmman on September 9, 2010 at 4:07 PM
I’m not sure who “we” is here, but I’m not worried about it and you don’t seem to be worried about it either.
Depends on which Muslims you’re talking about. The ones who will react violently like this may say they want to be treated like adults, but the consequence of their actions is that they won’t be. We don’t assume adults will riot over a simple insult, and we don’t cave to their tantrums the way we do to shut infants up. And we also don’t punish them with a serious “spanking” when they fail to fall in line.
As to the Muslims who don’t act like children, there’s no reason they shouldn’t be treated like adults.
Esthier on September 9, 2010 at 4:41 PM
And to clarify, for the “it” in “worried about it” I mean the violence. I don’t care that people will become violent because of this. That has nothing to do with why I oppose it, and I don’t think it should be a consideration.
Esthier on September 9, 2010 at 4:44 PM
Its a bigger question of just burning the book
How about Kurt Westergaard ?
Does drawing a cartoon make it ok for people to try adn kill you ?
How about the Atheists in this country ?
ITS A CROCK .
If they believe in their God what could anyone say or do to make it bad enough to kill a human being ?
America keep sleeping and soon it will be here as it is in London and we will dispatch Police to ASK the MUSLIMS to be nice and peaceful .
Its just like immigrants to me , if you are here illegally you are breaking the law and should be punished , likewise if you believe your religion , any religion gives you the RIGHT to kill people then you a re a sick puppy
come on could burning a book be a bigger incentive to kill US soldiers than the $1,000.00 USD IRAN gives the Taliban for killing our Soldiers ?
The mere fact we are Christians is MORE than enough
NEVER FORGET 911 or those who ” in the name of religion ” killed our innocent citizens “
ELMO Q on September 9, 2010 at 5:26 PM
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