Abortion Butchers Women, Both Pre- and Post-Roe

posted at 1:08 pm on August 23, 2010 by
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Originally posted at David Horowitz’s Newsreal:

It’s long been predicted by the pro-abortion extremists that if Roe v. Wade is overturned, women will have to go back to being butchered by seedy abortions in back alleys. There are hysterical stories consisting of coat hangers and women bleeding out because evil right-wingers wouldn’t let the kindly abortionists practice out in the open. The truth, of course, is much less hysterical. But what pro-abortion feminazi with an agenda to push would ever admit to that? Well, Amanda Marcotte, femisogynist extraordinaire, let the truth slip in a recent column written for pro-abortion website RH Reality Check.

Marcotte was applauding the television series Mad Men for featuring a character, Joan, who had gotten two abortions in the 1960s. These abortions were illegal at the time. And, says Marcotte, this is historically accurate, because the back alley abortionist myth is just not true.

In your usual overly dramatic Hollywood fare, this would have been an occasion for raising the stakes by implying that Joan was subject to a mythical back alley butcher who left her infertile for life. But instead, the doctor shrugs and suggests that the odds are that the midwife did a good job, and certainly everything that he could see was in good working order. He points out that she got pregnant after the first abortion, and so he has every reason to believe she’s fine.

Believe it or not, this was historically accurate. In the sixties, many doctors performed abortions for their regular patients and charted them as something else. If you got an abortion from someone who wasn’t your regular doctor, odds are that it was still a safe abortion. And, as I’ve written about before, the myth of the back alley butcher is mostly inaccurate. It’s tempting for pro-choicers to invoke it in an attempt to remind people of the high human cost of banning abortion, but in the end, portraying abortion providers as “butchers” mostly helps the anti-choice cause by stigmatizing the compassionate, hard-working people who have helped women in need, whether or not that help was legal.

So pro-abortion fanatics are twisting the truth to push their pro-abortion agenda? Not so fast, says Marcotte. She quickly reverts back to the typical pro-abortion hysteria, assuring us that before abortion was legal, women were indeed mutilated from botched abortions.

Which isn’t to deny that illegal abortion meant the mutilation and often death of countless women. It’s both true that when abortion was a crime most providers were professional and that hospitals had an overwhelming number of septic abortion cases. As historian Rickie Solinger points out in her book Beggars and Choosers, this is because women who didn’t know where to find a black-market abortion provider often resorted to trying to abort themselves, causing injury or even death. The coathanger is the symbol of women’s desperation when they have no access to abortion.

And Marcotte is not alone in pushing the hysteria.

Salon’s resident feminazi, Tracy Clark-Flory, was pushing the same story earlier this week about pre-Roe abortion butchery. Apparently, LAPD found the remains of some dead babies in a basement in Los Angeles. This, of course, must be evidence of back alley abortions gone wrong! (Even though organizations like NARAL insist that they aren’t babies, just clusters of cells.)

So which is it? Pre-Roe abortions were safely performed by kindly law-breaking abortionists or women were dying from botched, self-induced abortions? Funny how she can’t quite keep her story straight. Of course, it’s not like it really matters. Either way you slice it, abortions must be kept legal, according to the pro-abortion radicals like Amanda Marcotte. Whatever the narrative, whatever the facts, the agenda is the same: abortion must be legal and widespread. Femisogynists will argue up and down that pre-Roe abortions were just so dangerous, but now that it’s legal, abortion is somehow “safe”. Unfortunately, the reality is quite different. Even today, with abortion legalized, there is no such thing as a “safe” abortion.

It’s interesting that pro-abortion advocates decided to call themselves pro-choice. If it was really about choice, and not about being specifically pro-abortion, then the feminazis wouldn’t be OK with the blatant lies and manipulation that are so commonplace in the abortion movement. If it was about being pro-woman, then one might think that the femisogynists would want women to be completely informed about the risks associated and where they were with the pregnancy. Planned Parenthood, for example, has been caught multiple times lying to women about whether or not the heart has started beating yet and how developed the baby is. Even worse is the evidence of Planned Parenthood’s willingness to cover up the statutory rape and sexual abuse of minors in order to sell abortions. Does this bother the femisogynists? Nope — there’s been not a peep about it. They don’t care as long as women are getting abortions. It isn’t about choice, because for them there’s only one choice, and that’s abortion. Any amount of lies and manipulation is allowable for them if it leads to more abortions.

Yet pro-lifers are the ones labeled anti-woman.

OK, you might be thinking. So women are sometimes tricked into abortions. Surely abortion isn’t harmful to women who know the facts and aren’t lied to, right? Not so much. There are myriads of risks associated with abortions that femisogynists just don’t want women to know about. It triples the risk of breast cancer, and increases the risk of future miscarriages. Women who have abortions have higher rates of depression and substance abuse, and are also more likely to commit suicide. One organization, Operation Rescue, launched a program called Abortion Whistleblower to document botched abortions and abortion abuses. They’ve found that botched abortions have become an epidemic. They also were able to compile a list of what they call abortion’s bad boys, abortionists convicted of crimes ranging from rape and sexual abuse to murder, manslaughter, fraud, and corruption. There were filthy clinics, falsified medical records, and even one instance of cannibalism.

Safe, legal, and rare, huh? It doesn’t exactly seem like we’ve come all that far from the pre-Roe days that the abortion extremists warn us about. And it doesn’t seem like being pro-abortion equals being pro-woman. In fact, the truth seems clear: you’d be hard-pressed to find something more harmful to women than abortion, but what does an abortion extremist like Amanda Marcotte care about that? There’s an agenda to push. Abortions were either perfectly safe pre-Roe or they left women butchered out of desperation, depending on what works better to sell abortion. It’s pathetic how far the femisogynists will go to further the cause of abortion. It’s even more pathetic how they claim to be doing it in the name of women — the very people who end up getting hurt the most.

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coat hangers

Whether or not this was the murder weapon of choice pre-Roe, it’s still far better to make abortion illegal & save thousands of children, even though a few persistent abortion-minded women would get injured.

Either way you slice it, abortions must be kept legal, according to the pro-abortion radicals

Painful choice of words there.

itsnotaboutme on August 23, 2010 at 1:38 PM

Surely abortion isn’t harmful to women who know the facts and aren’t lied to, right? Not so much. There are myriads of risks associated with abortions that femisogynists just don’t want women to know about. It triples the risk of breast cancer, and increases the risk of future miscarriages. Women who have abortions have higher rates of depression and substance abuse, and are also more likely to commit suicide.

It’s possible that the same life choices that lead an individual to have an abortion may lead to some (not all) of these health risks rather than abortion itself being a cause.

thequeball on August 23, 2010 at 3:10 PM

Whether or not this was the murder weapon of choice pre-Roe, it’s still far better to make abortion illegal & save thousands of children, even though a few persistent abortion-minded women would get injured.

itsnotaboutme on August 23, 2010 at 1:38 PM

I’d personally rather come to a compromise, because I don’t feel making it illegal is possible any longer, but I do agree with your point. Even with abortion legal, one woman decided to shoot her own stomach to end her pregnancy, so clearly women will do stupid things regardless of the law.

Esthier on August 23, 2010 at 3:14 PM

…Even with abortion legal, one woman decided to shoot her own stomach to end her pregnancy, so clearly women will do stupid things regardless of the law.

Esthier on August 23, 2010 at 3:14 PM

Collie has just two words for any woman THIS stupid.

My collie says:

Mandatory sterilization.

CyberCipher on August 23, 2010 at 3:53 PM

There are myriads of risks associated with abortions that femisogynists just don’t want women to know about. It triples the risk of breast cancer, and increases the risk of future miscarriages. Women who have abortions have higher rates of depression and substance abuse, and are also more likely to commit suicide. One organization, Operation Rescue, launched a program called Abortion Whistleblower to document botched abortions and abortion abuses. They’ve found that botched abortions have become an epidemic.

Oh please….

Abortion is nine times safer than delivering. It’s a stupid argument for or against abortion and adds nothing to the debate.

lexhamfox on August 23, 2010 at 9:23 PM

Yeah, I thought that too until I was in the bowels of the UCSF Medical Center Library looking at forensic pathology book and saw all the crime scene photos of women who died from illegal abortions. It was not a pretty sight. Yes, I know it is not going to fit your anti-abortion meme and the usual suspects will attack me, but I am not going to lie about the horror of how those women died.

Blake on August 23, 2010 at 9:36 PM

I should have said “books” and those abortions were back alley abortions and not performed by medical personnel.

Blake on August 23, 2010 at 9:37 PM

So which is it? Pre-Roe abortions were safely performed by kindly law-breaking abortionists or women were dying from botched, self-induced abortions?

When you take a hateful, irrational stance like Cassy does, it does matter what the question is. You can always find some contradiction, if you strain hard enough and truly want to find it. I’m not saying that there aren’t contradiction in the Bible, but when atheists go hunting for contradictions in the Bible, the worst case is that they find contradictions just about as underwhelming as what Cassy suggests here.

thuja on August 23, 2010 at 10:51 PM

Actually there are more mistakes, harm, and botches now thant here was then because the practice is so much more frequent. Va is attempting to make abortion practitioners follow the same guidelines as any other medical practitioner of minor surgery, i.e. record keeping, sanitation, licensing, et al. The abortion lovers are having a fit saying that 17 out of 21 clinics would have to close down. That begs the question..What exactly are you doing that you can’t keep records and minimum medical standards.

Haunches on August 23, 2010 at 11:35 PM

When you take a hateful, irrational stance like Cassy does, it does matter what the question is.

You think a stance that is against murdering babies hateful and irrational? It is the opposite. I can just barely see why some women and men would appreciate the convenience of abortion on demand and be able to ignore the absolute horror of it but thinking that those who can’t come to that souless, selfish and radical conclusion are not the ones who are doing the hating or being irrational.

Haunches on August 23, 2010 at 11:40 PM

lexhamfox on August 23, 2010 at 9:23 PM

How can you possibly call abortion “safe,” fool? Someone dies almost every time it happens.
(It is rare for me to use such a harsh word, but you earned it)

itsnotaboutme on August 24, 2010 at 12:08 AM

You think a stance that is against murdering babies hateful and irrational? It is the opposite. I can just barely see why some women and men would appreciate the convenience of abortion on demand and be able to ignore the absolute horror of it but thinking that those who can’t come to that souless, selfish and radical conclusion are not the ones who are doing the hating or being irrational.

If most women truly agreed with you, and weren’t paying lip service to so-called “pro-life” values, there weren’t be much abortion. So obviously, when many women make choices they disagree with “pro-life” values, which I think is truly excellent. I see no more horror in abortion than I see in the everyday practices of killing that we all do: eating meat, using insecticides, and mowing a lawn. If given the choice between mowing a lawn and helping with an abortion, I’d go with the option that takes the less time.

Of course, “pro-life” isn’t about life at all, it’s a human fetus uber alles value that disregards almost all life. And that sentence is an inarguable fact. Why would any rational person think human fetuses are so important? I would urge anyone to worry more about the extinction of the pygmy chimpanzee in Zaire.

thuja on August 24, 2010 at 12:09 AM

thuja,

Are you for real? Your comment sounds like the rantings of a sociopath. An abortion is no different than cutting grass? Really?! Extinguishing the life of a genetically unique human being is like eating a steak? You clearly have never been pregnant or been a father or you wouldn’t make such absurd and ignorant statements. God forgive you.

drflykilla on August 24, 2010 at 12:58 AM

lexhamfox on August 23, 2010 at 9:23 PM

How can you possibly call abortion “safe,” fool? Someone dies almost every time it happens.
(It is rare for me to use such a harsh word, but you earned it)

itsnotaboutme on August 24, 2010 at 12:08 AM

You know why. Nearly 90% of abortions take place in the first twelve weeks of gestation. Some of us don’t believe that an early fetus is a fully formed human being. We are not fools as you suggest. I understand and respect your point of view and I would be happier if no abortions took place at all.

The article you and I both commented on suggests that abortions are dangerous for women. That’s poppycock nonsense.

lexhamfox on August 24, 2010 at 9:10 AM

You know why. Nearly 90% of abortions take place in the first twelve weeks of gestation. Some of us don’t believe that an early fetus is a fully formed human being. We are not fools as you suggest. I understand and respect your point of view and I would be happier if no abortions took place at all.

The article you and I both commented on suggests that abortions are dangerous for women. That’s poppycock nonsense.

lexhamfox on August 24, 2010 at 9:10 AM

As the saying goes, there’s no such thing as “minor” surgery. Since the claims here are supported by studies (regardless of your opinion of them), could you please add the link that states abortions are 9 times safer than pregnancy?

itsspideyman on August 24, 2010 at 3:12 PM

excuse me, 9 times safer than delivery… my bad. :)

itsspideyman on August 24, 2010 at 3:13 PM

My wife just happens to be 5 weeks pregnant. We saw the ultrasound of the fetus baby inside her, complete with his or her own heartbeat. Only a fool would reject the fact that this child is alive.

itsnotaboutme on August 24, 2010 at 6:13 PM

itsspideyman on August 24, 2010 at 3:12 PM

Bartlett LA et al., Risk factors for legal induced abortion-related mortality in the United States, Obstetrics & Gynecology, 2004, 103(4):729–737.

Or you can look up mortality rates for birth and compare them directly yourself. I see if I can find something on the net with both.

lexhamfox on August 24, 2010 at 9:49 PM

CDC stats are here:

http://www.religioustolerance.org/abo_fact.htm

lexhamfox on August 24, 2010 at 10:05 PM

This is from the CDC…

http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/ss5713a1.htm?s_cid=ss5713a1_e#tab19

The rates are very low. Childbirth deaths in the US were 13.3 per 100,000 in 2006.

lexhamfox on August 24, 2010 at 10:15 PM

lexhamfox

You sure do love your child-sacrifice, don’t cha?

Inanemergencydial on August 25, 2010 at 5:13 PM

lexhamfox

You sure do love your child-sacrifice, don’t cha?

Inanemergencydial on August 25, 2010 at 5:13 PM

Piss off. My views on abortion are clear. I think it is awful.

lexhamfox on August 25, 2010 at 5:55 PM

Abortion results in death 100% of the time. Birth does not.

Haunches on August 25, 2010 at 6:33 PM