Alienating Muslims and calling it Conservatism … great.
posted at 1:39 pm on August 12, 2010 by Amy Ritter
Bryan Fischer took a shot at Muslim places of worship from his watchtower blog (Rightly Concerned, Cautiously Observing the Left, from the Right) Tuesday with a fiery “No more mosques, period” entry.
Advocating the denial of permission for a single additional mosque to be built here in the U.S., Fischer asserts that “each Islamic mosque is dedicated to the overthrow of the American government.” The mosque, he says, is simply too dangerous:
Each one is a potential jihadist recruitment and training center, and determined to implement the “Grand Jihad” of which Andy McCarthy has written.
Here is the strategy, in their own words, in the words of “An Explanatory Memorandum” circulated by the Muslim Brotherhood in 1991 which outlines “the General Strategic Goal” for the Islamic movement “in North America.”
Read it and shudder:
Muslims “must understand that their work in America is a kind of grand Jihad in eliminating and destroying the Western civilization from within and ‘sabotaging’ its miserable house by their hands and the hands of the believers so that it is eliminated and God’s religion is made victorious over all other religions…It is a Muslim’s destiny to perform Jihad and work wherever he is and wherever he lands until the final hour comes, and there is no escape from that destiny…” (emphasis mine)
Because of this subversive ideology, Muslims cannot claim religious freedom protections under the First Amendment. They are currently using First Amendment freedoms to make plans to destroy the First Amendment altogether. There is no such thing as freedom of religion in Islam, and it is sheer and utter folly for Americans to delude themselves into thinking otherwise.
Fischer is clearly out of line here, especially in speaking for conservative ideology.
He implies that all mosques are under the influence of the Muslim Brotherhood, whose overt agenda is, by the way, a dangerous one. He also implies that all Muslims are ruled by a “subversive ideology” which then disqualifies them from religious freedom in this country.
The terrorism of 2001 made Muslim Americans a suspicious target in a similar way that the bombing of Pearl Harbor incited mistrust of Japanese Americans. Of course, Muslims, and, namely Arab Americans are not being rounded into internment camps, but a proposal like Fischer’s would lead to a similar event: the hasty removal of rights from Americans without due process.
True conservatives stand for the constitutional rights of all Americans to be upheld.
In contrast to Fischer’s “no more mosque” strategy, a study released in January this year by professors from Duke University and the University of North Carolina claims that “a variety of practices of Muslim-American communities may be helping to prevent and address instances of radicalization”.
One study is not enough to form a solid opinion, but the information may be helpful.
While I don’t agree with Fischer on his main thesis, I do agree that caution about certain Islamic organizations, like the Muslim Brotherhood, is perfectly legitimate. These concerns however should be addressed by providing clear evidence and specific solutions. If there is a specific mosque or any gathering place where anti-American ideology or plots are formed, then consequences should follow.
Additionally, Fischer’s “facts” are propped up with loaded language and yet lacking in primary source material:
The Saudis already provide the funding for 80% of the mosques in America, sowing their seeds of subversion and violent overthrow on a weekly basis in one American city after another. And it’s not just in major metropolitan areas. Murfreesboro, Tennessee is engulfed in a community controversy over Muslim plans to build a jihadist recruitment center (aka a mosque) there.
One last thing to address with Fischer’s blog post is its connection with the American Family Association which claims to “communicate an outspoken, resolute, Christian voice throughout America.” Fischer is speaking for American Christians with a message that clearly generalizes and alienates Muslims.
As a regular reader of the Bible, friend of many Muslims in Minnesota and California, and student of Islamic religion and culture, I cannot agree with Fischer. And I would challenge anyone who is considering the “no more mosques” ideology to get to know at least one Muslim before they make a decision.









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So… does Islam call for the destruction of all non-Islamic culture, or doesn’t it? Somebody ought to read the Koran and find out. This doesn’t seem like something that needs to be “debated” incessantly by those of us who haven’t read the book.
joe_doufu on August 12, 2010 at 1:56 PM
…great. And this provides the fuel for idiots on the left(and sadly, some on the “right”) to dismiss us as hating all Muslims and all mosques, despite the fact that this is the first outrage against the building of a mosque since 9/11.
MadisonConservative on August 12, 2010 at 2:03 PM
The problem is, joe, that this is debated among Muslims themselves. The interpretation of verses in the Qur’an are varied. I have read passages like Surah 9:5 that some people claim proves Islam to be a dangerous religion, while many Muslims will explain it differently within context they have determined.
That is why a balance of caution and also openness is necessary.
Amy Ritter on August 12, 2010 at 2:23 PM
Open? How can the US be more open?
I agree that advocating for not building any further mosques is bit of a stretch. This is the US and the 1st Amendment means what it means – to everyone.
However, I cannot feel ‘outrageously outraged’ about this without seeing a blog post about the non-openess of Muslim countries in relation to Christian churches.
Without one, the perception is more “America needs to be more accommodating” of Muslims. I know that isn’t the gist of this post, but one could draw that conclusion.
catmman on August 12, 2010 at 2:44 PM
I studied the Koran a great deal. I came away from that study with the conviction there have been few religions in the world as deadly to men as that of Muhammad. So far as I can see, it is the principal cause of the decadence so visible today in the Muslim world and, though less absurd than the polytheism of old, its social and political tendencies are in my opinion to be feared, and I therefore regard it as a form of decadence rather than a form of progress in relation to paganism itself. Alexis de Tocqueville – Wikiquote
Well gee Alexis de Tocqueville sort of agrees with those of us who think that Islam is not like other religions.
If someone were to declare a set of beliefs that demanded murder and mayhem would it too be protected by the first amendment?
PierreLegrand on August 12, 2010 at 3:15 PM
Saw this on Newsbusters. It was unnerving to watch.
Fallon on August 12, 2010 at 3:15 PM
That is why a balance of caution and also openness is necessary.
Nonsense, the idea that we can survive with a strong Islam in our midst is crazy talk.
PierreLegrand on August 12, 2010 at 3:16 PM
Though I have not done the research, I doubt this is the first. But, let’s go with your unsubstantiated assertion. It’s the “first” — of many.
People are protesting mosques around the country. But you’re lamenting criticism from the right instead of the ugly-ethnic and religious rancor.
I get what protesters are saying decency, respect, gall of those who want the mosque built, which I don’t. But I have not, until now, heard any voices from the right seeking to quell the anti-Muslim haranguing.
I’ll listen to your snarky, dismissive retort off-air.
The Race Card on August 12, 2010 at 3:22 PM
Conservatives are bound by the adherence to Originalism to the Constitution.
The 1st Amendment isn’t just for Christians. “Or prohibiting the free exercise thereof” applies to ALL religions.
Bryan Fischer is toying with Facism.
All conservatives should reject his proposal soundly and shame him for such a disgusting affront to our founding principles and our sacred Constitutional rights.
Opposite Day on August 12, 2010 at 3:46 PM
It’s a shame that this needs to be pointed out.
lexhamfox on August 12, 2010 at 3:59 PM
Islam Delenda Est
Just sayn’ but howcome Islam has so many restrictions agains “infidels”? Having a little trouble with conversion?
Caststeel on August 12, 2010 at 4:03 PM
Aaarg. Gotta proof comments.
Caststeel on August 12, 2010 at 4:03 PM
When Islamic scholars SAY Islam will be the dominant religion and all others exist at its pleasure because the Koran says so, I’m pretty sure there will be trouble down the road.
Evidently Ms. Ritter is unaware of the hundreds of millions of dollars the Saudis pour into their religion in this country promoting strict adherence to the Koran.
gitarfan on August 12, 2010 at 4:04 PM
Maybe that’s because the biggest topic has been whether or not it’s automatically racist to think the mosque is a bad idea. But this certainly hasn’t been the first response to those who truly hate all Muslims, either as a post or a comment.
Esthier on August 12, 2010 at 4:20 PM
Until Islam is recognized not as a religion but as a political fraternity tightly controlled by a limited paternal hierarchy, there’s no hope of overcoming the violent edicts that propel it forward.
It’s NOT a religion, because its beliefs are based not on love of a spiritual living force, but upon a hatred for the OTHER in whatever personage that happens to be.
People can be salvaged, but Islam is a cancer that must be diagnosed before it can be excised. The mosque is the lifeblood of that cancers.
Muslims who react with violence only prove the point. And they do so a thousand times a day.
Western_Civ on August 12, 2010 at 5:00 PM
HotAir: From Blogging the Koran with Robert Spencer to Useful Idiocy with Amy Ritter.
(sigh)
Disturb the Universe on August 12, 2010 at 5:02 PM
How exactly are they supposed to when any criticism of Islam is dismissed by the media as Islamophobia? It’s a trap. Just like ernesto, the other douche who loves accusing anyone against this mosque of hating all Muslims, you’re creating an instance where opposition to the mosque is equated to actual hatred of all Muslims. Hence, if someone gives you what you want, it is announced that you actually denounce those who are against the mosque. Conflation f**ks up the dialogue, and you’re contributing to the clusterf**k.
MadisonConservative on August 12, 2010 at 5:19 PM
Oh, and might want to read my first comment on the issue, moron.
MadisonConservative on August 12, 2010 at 5:20 PM
Was this cross posted at Amy’s blog Shari’a in America Today?
Inanemergencydial on August 12, 2010 at 5:28 PM
This isn’t quite on topic but I have to vent.
it feels like it is 100 degrees in Madison today. I’m out running errands in a skirt and tank top sweating my butt off, and there is this poor women covered head to toe. Her face is even covered and I can barely see her eyes. She is holding her baby. Her husband is standing next to her in shorts and a f’ing t-shirt. Explain to me again how Islam respects women?
sammypants on August 12, 2010 at 5:29 PM
We’re worried about alienating muslims? How many “moderate muslims” danced in the street in the aftermath of 9-11?
“Muslims” can be moderate, but I don’t countenance anything moderate about “Islam.”
gryphon202 on August 12, 2010 at 5:39 PM
Underground parking and a short commute in this town are a must.
MadisonConservative on August 12, 2010 at 5:50 PM
1) I agree “no mosques, period” is extreme – overkill, even.
2) With that said, where is this groundswell of American Muslims who reject “Muslim Brotherhood”-style Islam?
There’s a pattern here: we get punched in the mouth by an adherent of Islam, and then, when we get upset about it, we get denounced as racists.
As a religion, Islam has a political agenda – there is no ‘render unto Caesar’ in Islam, in the absence of which reasonable people can believe we should be very wary of its influence spreading.
I have no doubt there are many good and decent American Muslims who reject Wahabism, terrorism, the subjugation of women, etc. As of yet, they have not driven the crazies out of their midst and it does not appear they will have either the numbers or influence to do so any time soon.
Until there are, their complaints about how non-Muslim America reacts to them should be directed at their fellow Muslims who are giving them a bad name.
BD57 on August 12, 2010 at 6:28 PM
fact, huh? sorry bub, but it’s far from the first outrageous bunch of crap that’s been bandied about. this site is full of raw hatred and fear and you wouldn’t know a fact if it was tied to a gerbil and physically introduced to you.
audiculous on August 12, 2010 at 7:58 PM
^^Ernesto without all the charm.
Inanemergencydial on August 12, 2010 at 8:00 PM
FACT: I hate and fear audiculous.
That is all.
gryphon202 on August 12, 2010 at 8:04 PM
gryphon202
if you’re willing to sit and chat with Robert Spencer, you might hate a few other things as well.
audiculous on August 12, 2010 at 8:23 PM
FACT: I hate and fear audiculous.
That is all.
gryphon202 on August 12, 2010 at 8:04 PM
Sort of curious do you think that Alexis de Tocqueville had it wrong about Islam?
PierreLegrand on August 12, 2010 at 8:42 PM
Just shut up already. I really don’t suffer douchebags well.
gryphon202 on August 12, 2010 at 8:50 PM
Just shut up already. I really don’t suffer douchebags well.
gryphon202 on August 12, 2010 at 8:50 PM
Well that is a powerful argument…learn that in diversity school?
PierreLegrand on August 12, 2010 at 8:53 PM
Not really familiar with de Tocqueville, but I will tell you what I believe about Islam, and you can tell me if it squares with his opinions:
The world, in Islamic worldview, is divided cleanly in two: There is Dar Es Al-Islam, the world of submission, and there is Dar Es Al-Harb, everything which is not Islam. The highest aspiration of practicing Islam is to convert everything that is Al-Harb into Al-Islam.
Even if a particular Muslim does not wish to kill me, he still sees me as part of Dar Es Al-Harb, because I am not Muslim. (cf. “dhimmi”) Not every weapon in the jihadi’s arsenal is necessarily lethal, and where violence and death does occur, it is a means to an end — the conversion of Al-Harb into Al-Islam.
Hope I covered my thoughts on the matter thoroughly enough.
gryphon202 on August 12, 2010 at 8:55 PM
I won’t be lectured on tolerance by the intolerance. Go away.
gryphon202 on August 12, 2010 at 8:56 PM
Feel free to tell us about the other mosques that sparked national outrage in the last decade. Otherwise, cut the crap.
MadisonConservative on August 12, 2010 at 9:02 PM
Tell me, how do Charles Johnson’s testicles taste?
MadisonConservative on August 12, 2010 at 9:03 PM
audiculous on August 12, 2010 at 9:06 PM
For all we really know, Audiculous could *be* Charles Johnson. For all we know, I mean.
gryphon202 on August 12, 2010 at 9:06 PM
MadisonConservative if you’re interested in the taste of testicles, it’s yet another difference between you and myself.
but feel free to live and enjoy.
audiculous on August 12, 2010 at 9:11 PM
AMY RITTER
thank you for printing this bit of sanity in the midst of this sad site and thank you for something sane thrown before these swine.
in a better world, the denizens of this sty would all be thanking you for the effort to wipe some of the much from them.
audiculous on August 12, 2010 at 9:14 PM
Amy, you have just been congratulated by one of the most blitheringly idiotic libtards at this site. Time to perhaps re-evaluate your stance on this matter.
gryphon202 on August 12, 2010 at 9:16 PM
gryphon202
stop drinking the douchewater. I’m not a liberal.
audiculous on August 12, 2010 at 9:22 PM
Well for someone who claims to be “tolerant,” you sure do seem pretty intolerant to me, libtard.
gryphon202 on August 12, 2010 at 9:23 PM
gryphon202
I’m tolerant of political and religious differences of opinion, not idiocy and ignorance.
I’m an admirer of the Constitution and unwilling to screw up the Bill of Rights needlessly.
audiculous on August 12, 2010 at 9:33 PM
Oh my gawd! It is Charles Johnson!
Let me explain something to you, Audi: Building a house of worship, mosque, church, or whatever, is not a protected act of worship.
There is no consitutional right for any “religion” to build anywhere. Now if you want to debate on whether Islam is a religion (and I don’t think it is), you can talk yourself blue in the face. But there isn’t a libtard around who will openly admit to hating the constitution (cf. Elena Kagan).
gryphon202 on August 12, 2010 at 9:36 PM
ya dope. there is a Constitutional right to enjoy equal protection of the law and to use one’s own property in any way that other citizens are free to use theirs.
only a dunce would assert that the use of a property as a mosque is illegitimate if that same property would be a legitimate space for a church.
audiculous on August 12, 2010 at 9:41 PM
That’s a determination to be made by local zoning boards. And said zoning boards are free to deny licensure to any building for any reason at any time.
As I said before, I don’t think Islam is a religion. I believe it is a political movement that seeks to overthrow the lawful government of the United States. Who was it that said the Constitution isn’t a suicide pact?
gryphon202 on August 12, 2010 at 9:43 PM
no, pal, it’s not. a zoning board can determine if a place of worship can be put there, not which religion may use the space to worship.
the rest of your argument is equally vapid. whether you, other fools, or zoning boards believe that it’s political movement seeking the overthrow of the US government is an opinion and, while opinions are generally protected by right, they’re not binding on more informed and rational people.
audiculous on August 12, 2010 at 9:53 PM
Indeed.
Cylor on August 12, 2010 at 10:43 PM
That is the language that is the problem. Most of us, including ex-Muslims, who attempt to educate the public about Islam separate the ideology from its believers. Muslim and lefty activists deliberately do not separate the two in order to make it personal, rather than a rational debate about the ideology itself. People can change their beliefs, and, in fact, do so all the time.
Connie on August 12, 2010 at 11:24 PM
Alienating Americans and calling it Shari’a
Inanemergencydial on August 12, 2010 at 11:33 PM
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