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Great Britain Outlaws Christianity

posted at 5:48 am on May 3, 2010 by

Or so it appears, if this story from the Daily Telegraph is accurate. Ministers in Jolly Olde E. are being arrested under the Public Order Act of 1986 — for saying out loud that Christianity dubs gay sex a sin:

Dale McAlpine was charged with causing “harassment, alarm or distress” after a homosexual police community support officer (PCSO) overheard him reciting a number of “sins” referred to in the Bible, including blasphemy, drunkenness and same sex relationships….

Police officers are alleging that he made the remark in a voice loud enough to be overheard by others and have charged him with using abusive or insulting language, contrary to the Public Order Act.

Evidently, it’s legal to preach the Christian faith (or the Jewish faith, for that matter)… so long as you whisper inaudibly.

Christian campaigners have expressed alarm that the Public Order Act, introduced in 1986 to tackle violent rioters and football hooligans, is being used to curb religious free speech.

Sam Webster, a solicitor-advocate for the Christian Institute, which is supporting Mr McAlpine, said it is not a crime to express the belief that homosexual conduct is a sin.

“The police have a duty to maintain public order but they also have a duty to defend the lawful free speech of citizens,” he said.

“Case law has ruled that the orthodox Christian belief that homosexual conduct is sinful is a belief worthy of respect in a democratic society.”

Unless you run into “the Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual and Transgender liaison officer for Cumbria police;” in which case, thousands of years of religious teaching are swept into the dustbin of history, along with free speech, to make way for acceptable speech that doesn’t offend anyone — rather, anyone opposed to Western civilization. (You’re allowed to offend Western civ. itself, of course; soon it may become mandatory.)

This is our future if we continue down the route of “hate-speech” laws and codes. The busts may start out restricted to clearly repugnant speech that is deliberate and intended to inflict emotional distress; but inevitably, their scope will expand to cut off controversial political opinions… where “controversial” is tendentiously redefined to mean “bucking the secular leftist trend in the European Union.” Thus the anti-Judeo-Christian argument becomes a paradigm of “Shut up,” he explained. Give ‘em an itch, and they take a snarl.

Oh… did I forget to mention until now that I personally find nothing at all sinful or criminal about homosexual activity; and that I completely support Lawrence v. Texas, the Supreme Court ruling that overturned all so-called anti-sodomy laws nationwide? It’s irrelevant to my point; but I suspect that liberals who started this post already stopped reading long ago; and they’re now busily telling their friends that I’m a right-wing, fascist, homophobic bigot who wants all gays arrested, branded, and send to concentration camps.

The point is that I have a number of crabbed and cranky opinions of my own that flout in the face of conventional wisdom, so I have a vested interest in seeing that everybody gets to exercise his freedom of speech. An almighty State big enough to take that fundamental liberty away from a Bible-thumping religious zealot like McAlpine — is big enough to take away my fundamental right to say that Barack H. Obama is a national socialist.

So I make common cause with people who reject probably 75% of my core beliefs… because within the remaining 25% lurks the most sacred creed in my generally secular worldview, my own rewrite of the slogan of the French revolution: “Liberty, Accountability, Individualism!”

I reckon that’s no longer fashionable in the United Kingdom — and is rapidly becoming quaint and déclassé in my own land as well.

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Right on the money! If you want to see Obama’s plan for America, just look at England. The only speech worth protecting is speech that offends people or governments or interest groups. If it’s not offensive to someone, it won’t need protection.

gordo on May 3, 2010 at 7:40 AM

I was listening to Bill Bennett this morning, and an Author, Melanie Phillips? from the UK has written a Book entitled, The World Turned Upside Down, I think this book would help us understand exactly what is taking place, not only in the UK, but here also…although they are light years ahead, we need to know what it is that is taking place here…

Lies become truth and the truth is perported to be lies.
That’s “progressive’ thinking for you…

RoxanneH on May 3, 2010 at 8:36 AM

So the homosexual population has it’s own personal group identity police in England. Those ‘poor sods’ that have to live there. But, they’ve done it to themselves by electing the Gordon Brown’s of the political sector decade after decade. Will they ever wake up? Question to be pondered.

jeanie on May 3, 2010 at 8:50 AM

Quote:

In The World Turned Upside Down, Melanie Phillips explains that the basic cause of this explosion of irrationality is the slow but steady marginalization of religion. We tell ourselves that faith and reason are incompatible, but the opposite is the case. It was Christianity and the Hebrew Bible, Phillips asserts, that gave us our concepts of reason, progress, and an orderly world on which science and modernity are based.

Without its religious traditions, the West has drifted into mass derangement where truth and lies, right and wrong, victim and aggressor are all turned upside down. Scientists skeptical of global warming are hounded from their posts, Israel is demonized, and the US is vilified over the war on terror—all on the basis of blatant falsehoods and obscene propaganda.

Worst of all, asserts Phillips, this abandonment of rationality leaves the West vulnerable to its legitimate threats. Faced with the very real challenges of spiraling demographics and violent, confrontational Islamism, the West is no longer willing or able to defend the modernity and rationalism that it once brought into being.

In order for Western Civilization to survive, it is vital that we think rationally about the problems we face. Many do not know how to think rationally. Part of the blame lies with our university professors, who often teach dogma instead of rationality. This book clarifies these issues. Individuals must learn how not to trust our leaders, and how to think critically. Unquote.

It is essential that we know about the nonsense we hear from everywhere and how we can fight it.

RoxanneH on May 3, 2010 at 8:57 AM

He can call homosexuality a sin all day. If he’s not advocating violence, why get all wounded?

Gays have it tough growing up. I get that. But folks have it tough all over. What makes you a strong person is how you respond to the tough things you have to deal with. That preacher has no power over any known homosexual person. All he can do is say words. Words you don’t believe in anymore.

Persecuting a man who has no power over you for the words he speaks makes you a bully, and no better a person than those who may have bullied you growing up. Becoming the persecutor is no way to deal with persecution.

Sekhmet on May 3, 2010 at 9:09 AM

This right here is already very scary:

“Case law has ruled that the orthodox Christian belief that homosexual conduct is sinful is a belief worthy of respect in a democratic society.”

The fact that there is case law on this indicates that prosecutors have already attempted to silence Christian preaching about homosexuality. This is where all “hate speech” statutes lead, to overzealous prosecutors going after Christians for their supposedly intolerant and hateful religious beliefs.

rockmom on May 3, 2010 at 9:22 AM

Satan is loose upon the earth and he thinks he is winning.

odannyboy on May 3, 2010 at 9:30 AM

And they are working on getting hate speech laws as odorous as the British Laws on the books here in the US.

Canada already has its laws on the books.

Unless there is some awakening, some shaking the populace out of its stupor, in the name of being “fair”, an entire class of people will have their basic right of free speech as well as the right of freedom of religion removed from them.

Duncan Khuver on May 3, 2010 at 9:31 AM

Will be bringing this up to my pastor. Can’t be long now before my British brothers and sisters in Christ simply have to ‘go underground’.

I’ve already asked him if our church has plans for same…we don’t yet, but I do hope they’re at least being thought about.

Dark-Star on May 3, 2010 at 9:49 AM

Can’t be long now before my British brothers and sisters in Christ simply have to ‘go underground’.

The area where Turkey is was once more Christian than the US & the UK are today.
In some places the Church makes progress, & in some places the Church recedes. But we are now closer than ever to the fulfillment of a prophecy made 2000 yrs ago by a certain itinerant Jewish preacher with a few hundred followers, that one day his teaching would cover the Earth.

itsnotaboutme on May 3, 2010 at 10:34 AM

Beat me to it… this is why I’m so heartily opposed to Obama’s EEOC pick, Chai Feldblum. She has been very open about her view that religious rights are subordinate to sexual rights. In other countries – pastors in Canada and Sweden have been charged for preaching/writing that homosexuality is a sin. I do think that Christians go bananas over teh ghey because it’s a convenient way to avoid dealing with our own, more ‘socially acceptable’ sins… I think sermons on gossip and tithing would do people more good. But the idea that government shall impose restrictions… not no, but he!! no.

If you haven’t heard Ezra Levant take on his human rights commissar, don’t miss it… Roark lives!

Laura on May 3, 2010 at 10:45 AM

a homosexual police community support officer (PCSO)

It’s good to know that, even in these troubled economic times, the UK has plenty of money to pay the salaries of a cadre of homosexual police community support officers.

I’m trying to parse that title. Is it a “police community support officer” who happens to be homosexual, or is it a “support officer” for the “homosexual police community”, or does it break down some other way?

joe_doufu on May 3, 2010 at 12:14 PM

The law being used to charge this preacher, it’s important to note, was originally written to combat football hooligans who were using abusive or insulting words or behaviour.

It’s also important to note that many British people are furious about this but that Tory politicians are no different than Labour ones when it comes to political correctness.

One other point- while a preacher can be arrested for saying Christianity states that homosexuality is a sin, a Muslim man can spray paint “Osama is coming”, “Islam will dominate the world” and “kill Gordon Brown” on a war memorial and he will not be charged to the full effect of the law because a judge stated that his vandalism was “not motivated by religion“.

We live in a nation governed by left wing judges, lawyers and a political class to frightened of being labelled racist, homophobic or intolerant to do anything about it.

Watch out America this is exactly the same path your nation is already walking along- and you might be further along it than you realise. Seemingly innocuous laws written now can be extending in the most surprising ways by a judiciary with an agenda later.

Jay Mac on May 3, 2010 at 12:17 PM

It’s all about being ‘politically correct’ well f**k it and the stupid Unicorn it rode in on.

I am appalled…

I am hanging my head and praying that people will wake the he!! up and soon and be quick damn it!!

Watch out America this is exactly the same path your nation is already walking along – and you might be further along it than you realise. Seemingly innocuous laws written now can be extending in the most surprising ways by a judiciary with an agenda later.

Jay Mac on May 3, 2010 at 12:17 PM

I see it and you see it, how come others don’t see what is happening??

Open your eyes…do not go blindly into the darkness of night, light it up like the day and see it for what it is.

A travesty…plain and simple.

RoxanneH on May 3, 2010 at 2:49 PM

is big enough to take away my fundamental right to say that Barack H. Obama is a national socialist.

Noooooh! The Etiquette Master-in-Chief decreed in his speech to the University of Michigan grads that to describe him as a “Socialist” could incite violence.

I gather that since our Constitution is “imperfect” he wants to usher in a more perfect, perfect union, and that requires ignoring the First Amendment and stifling debate.

Of course it’s raaacist to note the fact that Al Sharpton said he’s a Socialist. It’s also seditious to note that Newsweek said “we are all Socialists now” (apparently they meant everyone BUT Obama). It’s also Un-American to note that the paragon of civility himself calls people names (like “Fat Cats”). And don’t pay any attention to rioting anarchists/open borders activists. Or S.E.I.U. union thugs beating up bystanders (who cares if they collectively donated $75 mill to his campaign?). Pay no attention to Code Pink, and Big Bundler Jodie Evans. Ignore agitating agitators like Bill Ayers and Bernadine Dohrn, ACORN, and Jeremiah Wright. They work for the greater good, by any means necessary, while we are ignorant, selfish individuals who must be silenced.

Buy Danish on May 3, 2010 at 4:01 PM

At some point, Christians, Jews, Buddhists, Catholics, B’hai, Latter Day Saints, Zoroastrians, Hindu must work together to preserve our religious freedoms.

If they can go after Christians, what’s them to prevent them from silencing any other faith they choose?

Conservative Samizdat on May 4, 2010 at 1:58 AM