Flying While Fat

posted at 11:38 am on February 16, 2010 by

Kevin Smith suffered an outrageously outrageous outrage!!1 when he was asked to disembark from his Southwest flight on the grounds that he was too large to fit “safely and comfortably” in the seat.  His original booking included two seats, but he instead tried to catch a different flight on standby and only one seat was available.  He was furious:

“I’m legit! I’ve passed the stinkin’ armrest-test. And still, the lady asks me to get up and come with her off the plane,” Smith wrote on his Twitter page yesterday.

“I get up without a fuss at all, quietly grab my bag, make eye contact with a fellow Fatty who was praying he’d pass, and leave.”

At her popular “fat acceptance” blog, Kate Harding worries,

But there are still probably millions of fat people who dread getting on flights — and not just on Southwest — because they don’t know if they’ll actually be allowed to use the tickets they paid for, or if they’ll be removed from the plane like criminals, forced to fly standby and in some cases, forced to fly standby and pay twice as much for it.

Praying he’d pass,” and verbiage like dread, criminals, and forced, certainly do evoke a sense of victimhood.  It’s true that since most households don’t possess an airline seat, a true “armrest test” is impossible to complete until you actually board the plane, thus subjecting yourself to possible humiliation if you don’t fit comfortably.  If only there were some way for people to take responsibility for themselves and find out in advance if they’re too large for one seat!  Wait, perhaps there is.

It’s possible to look up the size of seats on airplanes in advance!  You can call the airline and ask, or you can look it up online.  Now that you know Southwest’s seat is 17 inches wide, grab a roll of tape and go sit down.  Put pieces of tape on either side of yourself.  Measure the distance between the pieces of tape.  If the result is greater than 17″, definitely get two seats.  If it’s close to 17″, think about getting two seats so you don’t have to worry about being asked to disembark.  It’s a crazy idea, but it just might work!

If Kevin Smith passed the “armrest test,” his seatmates weren’t complaining, and the other “Fatty” was permitted to fly, then, yes, Southwest has a problem with arbitrary enforcement and they should tighten that up and enforce the policy all the time. Southwest actually has a pretty clear “Customer of Size” policy, and I think it’s really decent of them to refund the cost of the extra seat if it turns out the flight is not full.

It should be noted that although Smith says his seatmates did not complain, the Southwest rep noted they were both leaning away from him.  Smith said they were already like that when he sat down, and that he spoke to them both and said they had no problem with him.  I will accept both of those things as true: Smith’s seatmates had no problem with him and were already leaning away, and Southwest staff documented their leaning.  And now I’ll speculate that the Southwest staff concluded, from that leaning, that Smith’s seatmates felt encroached upon, and acted on it.

“Fatties” aren’t the only ones who feel victimized in this situation.  I used to fly a lot for business and when I had a really large seatmate I always leaned away.  I do not like strangers touching me, and often even when the armrests are down, a large passenger can “ooze” (as one of Kate’s commenter’s admitted she did) into the next seat.  I wished – in my younger years I lacked the courage to say anything about it – that someone in a position of authority would make this person get the two seats they obviously needed, so that I wouldn’t have to spend the entire flight contorting myself to get away from them.  But most people want to be nice, and not hurt anyone’s feelings. In the meantime you’ve got someone annexing space you’ve paid for and causing you emotional stress and physical pain as you try to get away when there’s no place to go.  It’s bad enough to try to sleep on a hotel bed; it’s worse to do so after having to rigidly hold yourself in some unnatural position for a three hour flight.

The airline seat width remains completely unaffected by anyone’s feelings about it.  Nor do they stretch, no matter how much we all might wish it.  So while you folks in the “fat acceptance” crowd are perfectly entitled to seek rights, privileges and/or entitlements related to your size, as long as the seat size remains about 17″ wide, it is you who must adjust, and not the other passengers.

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A gentle and balanced post on a sore issue. When I get stuck in an economy seat next to a very large, “oozing” passenger, I try to keep in mind, as I contort myself and hold an uncomfortable position for 3+ hours, that at the end of the flight, I can get up, stretch, and walk off the plane without 100 pounds of extra flesh to carry around. The oozing seatmate doesn’t have that option.

And I know how hard it is to keep weight off. Man, do I know. I also know that buying two seats at $350 each costs $700, and most of us, large or average or small, aren’t running around with cash to burn.

But that sinking feeling is unavoidable when you end up next to someone really large on a plane. It certainly makes you appreciate the times when the plane is only half full, the flight attendants are cheerful, and sleep comes easily.

J.E. Dyer on February 16, 2010 at 12:29 PM

On a long flight I was sandwiched between two huge fatsoes who were married to each other, so not only did I have their spill over thighs from both sides, I also had their passing back and forth of food and chatter.

Per the flight attendant, there were no other seats, so when the fatso sitting next to the window got up to go the bathroom, I moved over, put my pocketbook on the side of the seat so her thigh fat couldn’t reach me. When she came back, she had a fit, but I wouldn’t move and as we were in the air, there was nothing they could do short of physically picking me up. That was before 9/11 when things were a little looser.

When we landed, I complained but was told there is nothing airlnes can do about this kind of situation. I’m glad things have changed since then.

erp on February 16, 2010 at 12:43 PM

the only ray a hope is that people who are fatties like me can work really hard to try to lose the weight, whereas people like erp will, most likely, always be Aholes.

Dr Gymll on February 16, 2010 at 1:25 PM

Anybody else miss watching “Airline”? I’m not a huge reality genre fan, but that one was fun and IMHO, Southwest works hard to be one of the good guys in the industry.

I think it was one of the few shows that people could probably identify and see their own behaviors in bad situations and have something to think about. I know I’m a little less likely to over-react; although overbooking still makes me want to rip someone a new one!

2nd Ammendment Mother on February 16, 2010 at 1:43 PM

Dr Gymll. Just exactly what kind of behavior would in your opinion have absolved me of aholehood?

erp on February 16, 2010 at 2:17 PM

This is why I prefer to drive. And if I ever get some money, I’m going to get my own plane and learn to fly it. There is nothing in the world I hate more than flying on a commercial airline.

joe_doufu on February 16, 2010 at 3:03 PM

Dr Gymll. Just exactly what kind of behavior would in your opinion have absolved me of aholehood?

Well Gee ERP,maybe not referring to your fellow passengers as the Huge Fatsos and not shoving your purse so that “her fat thigh wouldn’t touch you” would put you on the right side of the Lord.
I understand the concern with feeling that your seat space is compromised, but you don’t necessarily have to show such disgust for people.

Dr Gymll on February 16, 2010 at 7:11 PM

What about being 6′ 2″ and not a fatty and if sitting in a window seat, at a very comfortable unnatural angle, you can’t help but ingratiate your stature into the seat next to yours? The thing that makes this twice as much a pleasure is the charge for checked luggage is -0- if you slime your fat ass footlocker up into the overhead bin sideways so I need to put my briefcase under the window seat ahead of me that is on half as wide due to the curvature of the fuselage. This adds to the comfortable angle as I try to absorb my legs into my body.

ericdijon on February 16, 2010 at 9:35 PM

Ah, the joys of air travel, Eric. I sympathize with overweight people (I have often been overweight) and I sympathize with tall folk because my husband is 6’2″, and I know the challenges he has to deal with. But I don’t really care how uncomfortable someone else is, I don’t want them touching me or invading my space. In fact, I don’t want strangers close enough even to feel their body heat.

And I don’t like nobody touching my stuff. So just keep your meat-hooks off. If I catch any of you guys in my stuff, I’ll kill you. Also, I don’t like nobody touching me. Now, any of you homos touch me, and I’ll kill you.

Laura on February 16, 2010 at 11:16 PM

An airplane is one of the very few places where it’s better to be short. In the rest of life it mostly sucks. No way I will ever feel sorry guys who are 6′ 2″. Cry me a river, buddy.

Pervygrin on February 17, 2010 at 12:09 AM

Perhaps the flight attendant had a bad experience while watching Chasing Amy?


And I know how hard it is to keep weight off. Man, do I know. I also know that buying two seats at $350 each costs $700, and most of us, large or average or small, aren’t running around with cash to burn.

J.E. Dyer on February 16, 2010 at 12:29 PM

The obvious remedy to running around burning cash in this manner would be to run around burning calories.

hicsuget on February 17, 2010 at 5:12 PM

This is the guy that lured me to sit in very confined and crowded conditions while he showed me simulated sex between a man and a donkey. Karma’s a bitch.

Chris_Balsz on February 17, 2010 at 7:38 PM

Whaaat?!

I come back in here and everyone has their “in-flight” personality goin’ on? Just one gentle reminder about that flight personna, ya’ll still act like cattle when a bell goes on and off.

ericdijon on February 17, 2010 at 9:37 PM

Chris :-D

Eric, I’m only like Francis (from Stripes) with strangers in claustrophobic conditions. The rest of the time I’m pretty easygoing.

Laura on February 18, 2010 at 8:06 AM