ObamaCare: Nelson is Stupak all over again, but possibly worse
posted at 12:34 am on December 8, 2009 by Karl
Sen. Ben Nelson’s pro-life amendment for ObamaCare — based on the Stupak amendment that passed in the House — is generally being portrayed as a big showdown that threatens passage of the Senate bill.
Don’t bet on it.
Nelson has said he would join a GOP filibuster of the bill if strict abortion language is not adopted — but he always left himself wiggle room to accept less than the Stupak amendment.
No one seems to think Nelson’s amendment has 60 votes, though Sen. John Thune thinks it may get 50 votes. Thus, it is important to understand why the Nelson amendment needs 60 votes in the first place.
Nelson actually has two options. He could push his amendment, in which case his fellow Dems would have to mount a filibuster. Senate debate on the bill would grind to a halt. The other option is that Nelson could seek unanimous consent to bypass a cloture vote, but withdraw the amendment if it fails to get 60 votes. This has been the procedure for the amendments debated so far.
Thus, if Nelson really wanted to demand the Stupak language — and was willing to block the bill to get it — he could do so Tuesday. However, all of the press coverage, with its talk of the amendment not attracting 60 votes, suggests Nelson is not going to block the bill to get the Stupak language.
So what is the Nelson amendment really about? Sen. Tom Coburn probably has it nailed:
Even if the amendment goes down as expected, Coburn predicted Reid would be forced to include provisions similar to the Stupak amendment in the final bill via a manager’s amendment containing numerous changes agreed to by the Democratic caucus if he hopes to win 60 votes.
Reid is holding a vote on the Nelson amendment to provide Democrats on both sides of the abortion issue with political cover so they can say they fought for their principles, Coburn said.
“They’re going to allow a cover vote,” Coburn said, “so everybody can stake their position [and] say, ‘Well, I can’t control the manager’s amendment.’”
The language in the manager’s amendment, however, may well be less — a lot less — pro-life than the Stupak language. Moreover, it is possible (if still unlikely, given the size of the bill) that the manager’s amendment will be the de facto House-Senate conference committee, with the House then accepting the Senate bill in its entirety.
All of which ought to raise questions on the Right. For example, why is Nelson — a Democrat — the one offering the Stupak language? Where are the demands from supposed pro-life groups that Nelson not merely offer the amendment, but force the pro-choicers to filibuster it? The situation looks a lot like the Stupak amendment vote in the House, which provided CYA to faux-life Democrats in return for the temporary illusion of a victory by anti-abortion interest groups. Senators of all stripes get good marks on the scorecards of their favorite interest groups, while the takeover of the US healthcare system proceeds merrily along. Those already questioning the Senate GOP’s strategy on the bill can add those questions to their list.









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Its over. The Repubs don’t even get it. They have allowed the liberal left to set the terms of the battle. Even some of the closest we get get to “stop this bill” guys have lost focus. Now the talk seems to be more of the ..”Hey I know we have to pass something..how about throwing some of these vegetables in the stew?”..instead of KILL THE BILL!
Its over.
The current crop of professional politicians that we have, are lost in the fog of relativism. Their brains have been damaged. They need to go. Unfortunately, we may have trusted them for too long.. the damage is done, and the enemy is not only at the gates, they are writing the laws.
Itchee Dryback on December 8, 2009 at 9:40 AM
You’re right Itchee – this is a diversion play.
Nelson gets an overall 75 from the NRLC – that’s a “mixed record on abortion” -but it is the highest among the Dems – that’s why he is the one offering it, it’s supposed to look genuine.
Anti-abortion groups need to recognise that they are being drafted into the army of service of the Democrats in their takeover of healthcare.
batterup on December 8, 2009 at 11:20 AM
We need to elect people that aren’t stoopid
Jed_Eckert on December 8, 2009 at 4:05 PM
The more amendments, the more the delay into an election year in which Dems are not favored. And if the GOP is being sooooo helpful adding amendments to a bill it is unlikely they will vote for, you can’t close them off and get the vote going.
Sekhmet on December 8, 2009 at 4:12 PM
Congratulations to everyone who stayed home, refusing to vote for McCain because they wanted to send a message to Republicans. Happy now? How many years will it take to undo this damage? 15? 20? Ever?
JustTruth101 on December 8, 2009 at 4:21 PM
Itchee Dryback on December 8, 2009 at 9:40 AM
When Rush Limbaugh changes his rhetoric on Obamacare from “It’s the end of America as we know it!” to “Passing Obamacare is the Dems’ Waterloo.” (this was on yesterday’s program, folks), this would pretty much indicate to me that the Senate GOP has no moral authority to try delay tactics and “unanimous consent.”
Sekhmet on December 8, 2009 at 4:12 PM
Frankly, this sounds of “last ditch” tactics. Oh, if we can only stall until that magic date of 1/1/10, it will get better for us. The people aren’t buying it, and it’s long past time for conservatives to abandon such tactics.
BradSchwartze on December 8, 2009 at 4:22 PM
JustTruth101 on December 8, 2009 at 4:21 PM
Depending upon the right set of lobbyists, you’ll see certain changes in the next Congress. Regardless of whether or not the GOP takes over (close, but no cigar IMHO).
We need to stop the Apocalyptic talk, people. Nobody takes conservatives/Republicans/Teabaggers seriously, since they knew all they had to do was wait us out. Let them choke on their own healthplan that only 41% want.
BradSchwartze on December 8, 2009 at 4:25 PM
How does a decision by Rush Limbaugh, correct or not, indicate that GOP Senators have no moral authority?
I fail to see how an arbitrary decision by a third party has any bearing on whether Senators lose legitimacy to do what they had damned well better do.
applebutter on December 8, 2009 at 4:45 PM
Yup.
Itchee Dryback on December 8, 2009 at 5:01 PM
This I don’t understand. If Cao and Stupak and the others who voted for the Stupak amendment end up voting for a watered down version of the amendment in the final bill that amounts to federal funding of abortion, there is NO WAY they will get a pass from the pro life community. None. Zero. Nada. Zilch. They might think we’re idiots, and y’all might think we’re idiots. But we’re not.
jdp629 on December 8, 2009 at 5:06 PM
I’m not sure I know what you mean?? Wait us out, hows that workin out for them?
They won’t choke on the health care plan. The people will.
Kill The Bill.
Itchee Dryback on December 8, 2009 at 5:09 PM
Again, I think the point is to draw out debate, because the clock is on the GOP’s side. The longer it stews in the Senate, the more people get to read the bill. The more they read it, the less they like it. The more they read and less they like, the closer it gets to 2010. Democrats would love to get the vote over and done with, and count on the short memories of voters to save their butts. The less they are convinced this is how the whole thing will happen, the more likely they are to oppose the final bill out of self-preservation.
Sekhmet on December 8, 2009 at 5:26 PM
Absolutely. It’s smoke and mirrors, a way to shift attention from healthcare and the economy to abortion, a wedge issue that the socialists/fake “liberals” know they can succesfully use to isolate conservatives. And clueless conservatives always take the bait.
modifiedcontent on December 8, 2009 at 5:37 PM
I’m a right wing conservative and I am sicked by these spineless, incompetent rino republicans. Evidently the Republican party doesn’t get the fact that they are in deep shit as far as their constituents are concerned. Or should I say former constituents. An Independent party is brewing.
MCGIRV on December 8, 2009 at 6:26 PM
Could somebody kindly explain the Senate rules here? If a Senator offers an amendment it either gets 100% unanimous approval for a vote or it gets filibustered? Why do the democrats “have to filibuster” this amendment? They have – at least – two republicans who are abortion proponents. Nelson won’t filibuster his own amendment. So who’s going to make up the 41 votes for a filibuster on this amendment? If you get 56 pro-abortion democrats, plus Nelson, Hatch and the two Maine Senators, to insist on a vote on the amendment, you don’t have a filibuster, right? What am I missing? What’s the “smart play” here and how does it play out? It seems to me easy to say “Just stop the bill in it’s tracks by refusing to agree to anything!” But that doesn’t work (as far as I can see) with Snowe and Collins around and 60 Democrats free to vote for whatever they want.
So, if you say it, don’t just say it, show me how it works, with real names and numbers attached. Otherwise, it just seems to me that you’re making stuff up you wish were so.
jdp629 on December 8, 2009 at 6:35 PM
I wonder where the US Conference of Catholic Bishops are. They praised the House bill after Stupak went in. Did they get burned for it?
prophetsfather on December 8, 2009 at 6:46 PM