ObamaCare: Odds, anyone?

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Before Saturday’s Senate vote to proceed to debate on HarryCare, the Senate GOP pointed to a Congressional Research Service study showing that 97% of bills subject to a cloture vote to begin debate ultimately pass. In reality, over time, cloture motions have been increasing and spreading to relatively routine bills. The exception in the study dealt with gun rights, and the Democrats’ attempted takeover of the US healthcare system is just as much a hot-button issue. Moreover, George Mitchell managed to get ClintonCare to the Senate floor in 1994, only to be forced into retreat weeks later. By buying nto the hype over Saturday’s procedural vote, the Senate GOP hopes to hang it around the necks of vulnerable Dems in 2010, but they also risked demoralizing the rank-and-file.

Outside Congress, Keith Hennessey updated his odds last week:

I am lowering from 60% to 50% my projection for the success of comprehensive health care reform.

1. Pass a partisan comprehensive bill through the House and through the regular Senate process with 60, leading to a law; (was 40% –> 30%)

2. Pass a partisan comprehensive bill through the House and through the reconciliation process with 51 Senate Democrats, leading to a law; (steady at 20%)

3. Fall back to a much more limited bill that becomes law; (was 20% –> 15%)

4. No bill becomes law this Congress. (was 20% –> 35%)

I think there is zero chance a bill makes it to the President’s desk before 2010. If a bill were to become law, I would anticipate completion in late January or even February.

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I have lowered my projection of Leader Reid succeeding for three reasons:

1. Pretty much everything has to go right for him to win on cloture in mid-December. He has no more wiggle room on the schedule, and new intra-Democrat policy fights are popping up.

2. I think his members are going to get beat up about health care and jobs over Thanksgiving recess, then return to Washington to face another bad jobs day Friday the 4th.

3. If moderates demand large substantive concessions for their votes, liberals like Senators Rockefeller and Boxer may refuse. They may tell Reid they will oppose cloture if the bill moves toward the center, and instead advocate abandoning regular order and starting a clean reconciliation process in January. House liberals might join this effort.

I have long thought ObamaCare to be a 50/50 proposition at best, so I am heartened that a former insider like Hennessey has dialed back his odds. I still would quibble with a few of his assessments.

My primary quibble would be with his assessment of reconciliation as an option. Reid has currently taken reconciliation off the table. That in itself would not be a big deal, but we are also starting to hear lefties like Sen. Tom Harkin explain why reconciliation would not be a good thing for liberals. I also think that Hennessey underestimates how bad it would look politically if — after several weeks of normal debate — the Democrats tried to shift to reconciliation. Even the establishment media would be unable to avoid the narrative that Democrats were trying to ram an unpopular bill through the Senate after failing under the normal rules. Public opinion polling consistently shows very bad numbers for a “go it alone” approach. It is hard to think of anything the Democrats could do that would instantly make ObamaCare 10-20% more unpopular than to try passing it via reconciliation.

My secondary quibble would be with the notion that no bill is more likely than a minor bill. If the Democrats fail on a comprehensive bill, they will (imho) fall back to a minor bill of some sort. The reasons for this merit their own post, but we can start with the Democrats’ perception that they will be punished (at least by their base) if they fail to pass something.

As Byron York noted, the extraordinary part of Saturday’s vote was that it was as tough as it was for Reid to get debate started. The path gets no easier from here.

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At the end this will be Obama/Rahm/Ax against of those that waver. All politeness finished. Bribes and threats will be the game (if they bring a knife, we’ll bring a gun)

It after all about Obama. He’s failed in China, KSM will be an embarrassment, he’s afraid of his left on gays in the military, so he’ll go with them on that.

Everything but healthcare is problematic…and now this becomes a problem? Somehow, I don’t think so.

Tricks and triggers, the pro-abortion people will hold their nose expecting the SOCTUS to rule against.

At the end of the day, they will pass something, maybe with a trigger…but largely intact and ugly.

r keller on November 23, 2009 at 2:01 AM

50/50? I don’t know. The way the left goes down like bowling pins over the mere whiff of a pay-off….in fact, others, who pretended to be anti, or at least, (to the t.v. viewers) brow-knitting skeptics, just fall into absolute
O-pods…and you can see it in their eyes….a filmy glassiness. What in the heck is said, promised, or threatened to these people, who, all of a sudden go against their own territory, go against their own inner sense of morality and ethics….just blow it off altogether…. are all of a sudden, out of the blue, obviously so convinced this is the right thing to do????

I am not a conspirator theorist. I believe we landed on the moon, Lee Harvey Oswald was the lone assassin, and that the Jews did not orchestrate the 9/11 attacks. Sorry.

betsyz on November 23, 2009 at 2:23 AM

FWIW … at Intrade the Healthcare Bill has been trading very bearishly for weeks. http://tinyurl.com/n6vaya

YehuditTX on November 23, 2009 at 4:27 AM

The InTrade contract refers to the “public option,” not to ObamaCare as a whole.

Karl on November 23, 2009 at 10:41 AM

I’ll play.

100%.

People have been saying at every step along the way that it won’t happen, yet DC keeps pulling out the stops to do whatever it takes to *make* it happen.

They’ll continue to do so, even if it means they have to start ratcheting up the bribe money from $300million (thanks, Mary) to even more astronomical amounts.

Hey, when you can spend whatever you want, print however much it takes, no price is too high – and the Democrats are ‘buyable’.

Reid will find their price, and we will pay it.

This is going to pass, whether we like it or not.

Midas on November 23, 2009 at 1:53 PM

Oh..something will pass…100% chance…unless Byrd dies or Lautenburg dies (but, please, only after Chris Christie is in office). It’s sad when our only hope is death.

SouthernGent on November 23, 2009 at 3:11 PM

Midas on November 23, 2009 at 1:53 PM

You read my mind.

100% probability of passage. Passage of ANY type of government health care is a passage of big government, more spending, more debt, more taxes and more control.

catmman on November 23, 2009 at 3:17 PM

the whole enchillada hinges on Joe Lieberman. the Dems stuck a knife in his back last year and now he gets his revenge.

and as we know, revenge is best served cold.

joe don’t need the dough or prestige the Donks are certain to offer, so for starters, the public option is dead.

when that becomes completely certain to the leftists, there will be a cataclysm in San Fran Nan’s office.

popcorn..get yer popcorn.

DrW on November 23, 2009 at 3:21 PM

There is no doubt in my mind that it will pass. The effective date will be pushed back a number of years so everyone will forget by then who voted for it and health care will only incrementally become more crappy as time goes on. Our only hope is that the next congress and president can undo the damage before it becomes unfixable.

pitythefool on November 23, 2009 at 3:21 PM

60/40…

Wyznowski on November 23, 2009 at 3:37 PM

Midas on November 23, 2009 at 1:53 PM
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While I think the Dems almost have to pass something and then try to pass it off as what’s wanted, I don’t know if passing the bill can accurately be described as the end game.

The end game, seems to me, is building new bureaucratic organs that will take time for the Conservatives (not RINOs) to tear down. (RINOs seek to take the bureaucracy and use it for their own ends, not realizing it is a corrosive thing…)

Gather more power to D.C. Gather more ability to dictate to D.C. Then, wait for another 10-20 years and try again.

Mew

acat on November 23, 2009 at 3:42 PM

100% some type of ObamaCare will pass.

Even if it is to drop major parts only to add them at a later date. (As in the Democrats keep a majority in 2010 and 2012.)

albill on November 23, 2009 at 3:47 PM

I’ll play optimist and give you 2 to 5.

russcote on November 23, 2009 at 3:50 PM

Too many naysayers here. This thing is still a VERY long way from Obama’s pen as there are many procedural hurdles left to navigate. Lawrence O’Donnell on Morning Joe this morning said that amendments alone for a bill this large could take 2-3 months (!) as each sentence is dissected and quibbled over; and that’s just to get a bill to the Senate floor, not to mention passage. Few realize that the House and Senate bills are the complete opposite of each other in terms of increased taxation so that would have to be reconciled after (and if) the Senate passes their version. Time is on our side here because UE will keep going up in December and into 1Q ’10. Also remember that the jobs not NHC meme is starting to take hold.

volnation on November 23, 2009 at 4:14 PM

There is no doubt in my mind that it will pass. The effective date will be pushed back a number of years so everyone will forget by then who voted for it and health care will only incrementally become more crappy as time goes on.

pitythefool on November 23, 2009 at 3:21 PM

Won’t work – the taxes to pay and make this “deficit neutral” kick in immediately; so there will be 2-3 years where we get hosed for a benefit that doesn’t exist yet. No way that the Dems push the delivery date for NHC out farther. How long do you think that voters will give the Dems a pass on that turkey?

volnation on November 23, 2009 at 4:17 PM

Saturday’s vote wasn’t for cloture but for overture, the willingness to OPEN, not CLOSE, debate.

Senator Blanche Lincoln made it clear that she would not vote for cloture on a bill including the public option, and Ben Nelson, Joe Lieberman, and Mary Landrieu probably wouldn’t vote for it either. Other Red-State Democrats might get an earful from voters over Thanksgiving recess, when Rasmussen has support down to 38%, with 56% against–that gets MIGHTY SCARY for any Senator up for re-election.

How many of them will commit political Hara Kiri for Harrycare?

Steve Z on November 23, 2009 at 4:31 PM

100% probability.

Bribery works. It will pass.

ROCnPhilly on November 23, 2009 at 4:57 PM

Most Americans haven’t a clue about reconciliation. You have to remember most Americans think that if they get a tax refund, it means they pay $0 taxes. Americans are idiots and they will be bamboozled in 2009 as they were in 2008.

angryed on November 23, 2009 at 4:59 PM

They will commit suicide for their ideology,,,not all of them,,but enough that know they do not have a chance at being re-elected anyway[ie Bennet fromCO]. This is their big chance,,even if they do not get the whole enchilada,,,they will set up enough bureaucracies to strangle us and continue the downfall of the USA.

retiredeagle on November 23, 2009 at 5:00 PM

How many of them will commit political Hara Kiri for Harrycare?

Steve Z on November 23, 2009 at 4:31 PM

I am not sure they really believe it is Hara Kiri. I think they feel they need to get this done so they can move on and make a show of how concerned they are about unemployment and the economy. I think they’re deluding themselves.

It’s almost like watching a B movie watching the unsuspecting fool carry on as usual not realizing the monster is standing right behind them.

msmveritas on November 23, 2009 at 5:09 PM

When the cream dream of the fascist is dead…and I mean D E A D, will I rest. Not a single real citizen should either.

jukin on November 23, 2009 at 6:46 PM

100% probability.

Bribery works. It will pass.

ROCnPhilly on November 23, 2009 at 4:57 PM

So we see that they & their supposed bleeding heart liberal backers don’t care that this bill will shut down the DSH hospitals, and other providers to the poor. They don’t care about any of the destruction this bill will bring on their voting block or the rest of the country. All that discussion we had was for naught.

Karl there will be some bill – they see this as a money maker for the government & themselves. This has never been about healthcare & this out & out bribery proves it, it is about money & power. They are too close to tapping into a blood-line of money. Is there a shred of decency left in any of the D’s, the Maine sisters & Lieberman? Can they stand up & say “If you have to bribe anyone to vote for this I will not vote for it!”?

Now the big question is will the R’s or I’s be able to resist the blood money? Will anyone introduce an amendment that all the taxes collected will be put into a proverbial “lock-box”? Because we all know that the money won’t be there when 2013 comes around. And if the “savings” are not generated as promised it dies and the taxpayers are refunded? Will anyone suggest that amendment?

Will bribery be the undoing of our healthcare system? Bribery?

batterup on November 23, 2009 at 8:30 PM