Of course, of course. Which is why I find it so preposterous that Republicans couldn’t manage the tactical savvy to vote “present” on the Stupak Amendment in the first place. Sometimes I get the feeling that savvy is looked down……

Hmmm, wonder which way the wind is blowing.

The GOP needs to stick to principle and vote YES on the Pro-Life amendment.

Puts us in a good position … the majority of Americans are Pro-Life. On the final bill – we vote no. Most Americans are against PelosiCare.

Let the Democrats bury their heads in the sand. They are going to have very sore butts next November.

HondaV65 on November 7, 2009 at 5:43 PM

This is stupidity. I called Cong Linder’s office (R-GA)and told the office flunky that I considered a vote for the STupak amendment a vote for the PelosiCare bill and if he voted for either he would lose my support. Call yours now.

I agree that some R’s get it:

But I don’t see the R’s giving lots of detail. I understand that they are hunkered down under enemy fire now.

Everyone has always known that Dems want single payer. Everybody.

Have the R’s shown any desire to get down and dirty with healthcare groups…e.g. nurses, doctors, state regulators, and yes, community groups to try to work out something PROACTIVELY?????

No, it is easier to vote for your own narrow interests. Meanwhile the Left cobbles together a grand PLAN that is triggered at the first opportunity

The Left is cunning and works hard to do what it does. It has huge resources with which to do it.

But I’d like to think that conservatives/R’s have more that that, they have the power of ideas

r keller on November 7, 2009 at 5:50 PM

They haven’t failed – they seem to be playing this very well in fact. The GOP needs to go on record continuously for supporting LIFE – and so voting “yes” on Stupac is a good thing if for no other reason.

But … PelosiCare is not the final bill. If it fails tonight – then that’s it – basically the health care push is over. The Dems would have egg on their faces for a little while – but they’d possibly be able to escape the bloodbath we’re preparing for them at the polls next year.

Let PelosiCare pass. Let the BlueDogs support it. Tomorrow – people WILL read the 2,000 page bill and we can pick apart every Democrat who voted for it. This all makes for a stupendous train wreck for Democrats later on down the line.

Everything is progressing nicely … don’t sweat it. The GOP for once has their finger on the pulse.

1. Medicare/Medicaid are unsustainable. Eventually there will have to be a roll back in services. Someone is going to have to do it, either now or in the future.

2. Republicans have been weak on the whole subject. Aside from a few talking points (tort reform, insurance across state lines) they have never siezed the initiative (yes, I know they are terribly out gunned now, but what about under Bush?)

3. There are many creative ideas which fall short of nationalizing healthcare which would be extremely helpful. R’s do not bring these up, and generally do not show that they have any answers. Or, to put it another way, the person with a Plan will beat a person without a Plan.

So, the R’s have failed…yes, maybe they’ll be able to block in the Senate. Maybe they’ll be able to have a tactical victory.

But they do not have a strategic view of overcoming a 100 year old idea.

If you’re not very bright and don’t have a strategic view, then you are doomed to let someone else do the work.

But then again, R’s have had a history of being in the minority…and it ain’t so bad, you don’t have to take responsibility for what happens

Puts us in a good position … the majority of Americans are Pro-Life. On the final bill – we vote no. Most Americans are against PelosiCare.

Let the Democrats bury their heads in the sand. They are going to have very sore butts next November.

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Even though I am extremely pro-life, I have been hesitant to sign many of the pro-life petitions for this healthcare bill, simply because the petitions only dealt with the issue of life and none of the other monstrosities in this bill. I don’t want them to think that abortion is my only objection. Abortion is a major objection, but I have so many other major objections as well. I do not want my rep thinking that the bill is ok if they can fix the govt.-funded abortion problem.

UPDATE: As of about 4:30 EST the GOP Whips Office says 31 Dems are a No on health care.

That’s about 9 short of killing it, depending on how many vote. The question is, will some of them switch to yes if Stupak passes or worse, will some who would vote no if Stupak fails be yes because it passes with Republican votes?

I get many GOP reps want to vote against abortion whenever they can but the way to ensure that federal funds don’t pay for abortions is to kill Obama Care not to pass the Stupak amendment.

Bohener just got Rangel to admit he can’t guarantee that if Stupak passes, he can’t guarantee that it will survive conference or that Rangel himself will vote against a bill that doesn’t have Stupak in it.

The GOP has to vote no on this. It’s a sham. Kill the bill and kill it now.

AOSHQ

Ultimately, whether this version of the bill passes the House with or without the Stupak amendment doesn’t matter too much. If the D’s allow for federal funding for abortion in the final bill (after the House-Senate conference), the pro-life House D’s could be forced to vote “no”. So the language will very likely be in the final bill. If we can stop this version in its tracks sans Stupak, maybe the whole healthcare government takover train will fall off the rails.

They are helping pass the bill. They dont control anthing – so I doubt there is a secret plan to defeat it.