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ObamaCare: Public opinion and Voter opinion

posted at 12:39 am on November 5, 2009 by

The following, courtesy of Pollster.com, are a series of poll averages measuring opinion about ObamaCare.

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This is the basic poll of polls, including different types of samples, polling methodologies, and question wording, showing 50.5% disapprove, 43.7% approve.

Folks on the left do not like that graph very much. People like Andrew Sullivan and Taegan Goddard do not like Rasmussen Reports, without which the poll of polls would look like this:

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Obviously, lefties would prefer a mere two-point gap in disapproval, but is there really a non-partisan argument to be made for excluding Rasmussen?

Scott Rasmussen explains that the difference between his polls and others is that he polls Likely Voters, as opposed to adults, or even Registered Voters. Coming fresh off an election, it is useful to look at how the poll of polls changes if you exclude polls of adults, and look only at polls of voters:

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Liberals will not like that at all, but what happens if you exclude the evil Rasmussen from this group?

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Oops! Disapproval drops by about a point, but support drops almost five points.

A more nuanced criticism of the Rasmussen polling is the IVR “robocalling” method. Indeed, Obama supporters whined about Democratic polling firm PPP for “robocalling” voters after both firms started producing lower job approval numbers for Obama, though the method cannot be determined to cause the lower results, given the differences in samples, questions, etc. As it happens, the robopolls did pretty well in calling the off-year elections. But just for the sake of argument, what happens if you take out Rasmussen and PPP (and other party-linked polls, since PPP is a Dem outfit), leaving live, non-party polls of voters?

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In short, no matter how you slice it, polls of voters show increasing, majority disapproval of ObamaCare, however much folks on the left would like to ignore it. That may not stop House Speaker Nancy Pelosi from trying to jam through her bill on Saturday night, assuming she has moved enough of the undecideds and supposed pro-lifers. But it may explain why senior Congressional Democrats see the Senate’s work on ObamaCare slipping into 2010.

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Stop letting inconvenient facts get in the way of the ongoing leftwing utopian fantasy.

It’s “mean.”

Good Lt on November 5, 2009 at 2:49 PM

This is a serious question – is there anyway possible Pelosi could lose her seat next election? Cause I would donate something like a zillion dollars to whomever runs against her.

Catherine Wilkinson on November 5, 2009 at 2:57 PM

That sad fact is that members of Congress have forgotten what most of them are by title—representatives. That means they are supposed to represent us and not themselves.

texabama on November 5, 2009 at 3:02 PM

Recently some conservatives have rejoiced in the appearance that they have slowed down the Democratic Juggernaut billed as health care reform. While simultaneously the DNC and the White House have persistently insisted they “have never been closer to passing meaningful healthcare reform”, asserting that the momentum for such a policy lies with them. What gives?

The momentum that the DNC and the White House are alluding to, is that which they had carried through the election and enabled passage of the repulsively pork addled “stimulus package”. As the non-stimulating effects of that effort became apparent, the wind began shift, and their legislative sails started to flutter listlessly. Their ship of state isn’t dead in the water just yet, but a headwind of discouraging polls is in the air, and storm clouds of electoral revolt are lurking on the horizon.

Despite this development, conservatives ought not believe the tide has turned just yet. Conventional wisdom might lead one to believe that the Democrats would never risk the electoral back-lash such public sentiment might entail. The American public could be against this monstrosity 80/20 and the Progressive caucus will still strive for their transformational “reform” heedless of the wishes of the governed. The reason is there is simply just too much riding on its passage, both politically and philosophically.

Politically, the Democrats at the behest of the Progressive wing of the party, has designated healthcare delivery in this country as in “crisis”, and that this crisis is central to our economic recovery. The leaders of the party, Obama, Pelosi and Reid have made it abundantly clear that “healthcare reform” is the central plank in their prescription to treat the malady that afflicts our economic system. And it is indeed, the foremost element to what they have planned for us, as I will address a later in this piece.

If you doubt for a moment the DNC and the White Houses determination to push this healthcare legislation through no matter what, you have not been listening. In order to maintain their present course, they have been willing to weather the self induced inclement conditions created by the gale-force invectives they have casually hurled at those whose very votes they will need in the future.

Democrats and their self appointed champions in the media have also expended considerable political capital in their efforts to marginalize all opposition by demonization. They have not shown even the slightest compunction in disparaging fellow Americans with every sort of vile label they can muster. In castigating their countrymen as everything from brown shirted Nazi’s, to right-wing terrorists, to outright evil-mongers, they have wantonly demonstrated a blatant disregard for their own constituents. This can only illustrate one of two things, either they are not at all concerned with their re-election (yeah, right) or they are under the impression that the sentiment of the governed is irrelevant to their retention of the offices they hold. If it be the latter, one should rightly be worried about the state of our republic and the fate of what is in store for it.

Their relentless determination to have governmental control over healthcare, should be obvious by now. That as masters over both houses of the legislative branch, and with the ultimate Progressive in the executive office they have an unbeatable hand. Their defiance in the face of public sentiment and outright antagonism towards the will of the people clearly demonstrates that they mean to play these cards out to the bitter in end. Never since the Declaration of Independence, have we witnessed such a stark example in American history of politically being “all-in” such as this.

And philosophically here is why, because provision of healthcare is the central component to their end-game. The end game being, as it has always been with the Progressives since the 1890’s, an authoritarian socialistic “transformation” of American society. In the words of Lenin, who perhaps knew a little something about the subject, “medicine is the keystone in the arch of Socialism.”

For those of you who aren’t masons, a “keystone” is the center stone at the top of an arch, which through the use of the force of gravity being dispersed to either side, locks in the other stones securely, without this stone completion of the arch is not possible. This mastery of the arch allowed the Romans to construct the magnificent spans we see still standing across Europe today. Only the structure Lenin was talking about in this case, was not a beautiful roman archway, but rather the indispensable element upon which the rest of the Progressive’s planned authoritarian nanny-state is dependent.

For going on close 120 yrs now the Progressive movement has latched on to whatever political movement of the day is in vogue to achieve power. The level of hypocrisy they are willing to indulge in to seize political primacy, is illustrated by their willingness to adopt both, the Industrial Fascism & the racism of the Klu Klux Klan in the early 20th century, to their now eager embracement of Eco-Fascism & Black Liberation Theology of today. It is a shameless text-book example of “the ends justifies the means”, plain and simple.

This is not the Progressive’s first attempt to usurp our liberties and subvert our Capitalist economy through the creation of an eventually “useful” crisis for the likes of Rahm Emanuel. There was the financial chaos that empowered FDR to enact a federalized type of insurance in the form of the New Deal. These “insurance policies” were established outside of any rational thinking without recognition of demographic trends or actuarial reason. The inevitable fiscal implosion of such a program was doomed from the out-set.

Then more recently, there was LBJ’s succumbing to the pressure brought by Progressives by the anti-war movement and the deliberate straining of governmental structure by way of the Cloward/Piven strategy. This resulted in the Great Society that further buttressed the foundational basis for the entitlement debacle that has been the cause of most of what ails our healthcare system.

But the original Progressive President who sought to “reform” America through mandated inclusion was Woodrow Wilson. Indeed, the authoritarian impulses of the Wilsonian Progressives were frequently cited as the ideal template for governance by the lovely personages of the Fascist Benito Mussolini, and the Nationalist Socialist Adolf Hitler. Wilson whose disdain for American individuality and laissez-faire Capitalism was so complete that he is cited by history stating, “Conformity will be the only virtue and any man who refuses to conform will have to pay the penalty.” Make no doubt about it, these distinctly authoritarian sentiments as expressed by Wilson lay at the very heart and soul of the Progressive movement, both then and today. The haughty hubris we witness by the DNC attempting to pass their healthcare reform regardless of the electorate clearly reflects this Progressive tendency clearly today.

With the regular unveiling of You Tube videos of the current flock of Progressives in government espousing the virtues of Castro, Chavez and Mao, should give cause to consider the dangers to our republic posed by officials who admire such people. When considering what that portends look again at Wilson’s statement, “Conformity will be the only virtue and any man who refuses to conform will have to pay the penalty.” One could easily see those words coming from the mouths of those that today’s progressives profess to admire. The ruthlessly imposed disasters inflicted by those men upon their populaces, should lend to our looking with a jaundiced eye at the ostensibly benevolent nature of the Progressive “transformation” they propose. Healthcare reform is the “keystone” of their “transformational” vision.

So do not be fooled into believing the fight over our Healthcare system is over by any means, for in the end the chips on table represent the eventual control of the country as a whole, and the very fabric of the American way of life. They have fought for this moment for over a century and have come too far for them to even remotely consider folding and walking away now. By way of an unavoidable “trigger mechanism”, a “re-branded” public option by Orwellian Newspeak , or through an arcane morass of regulatory interpretation of legislative language, they will be undeterred.

The Progressive movement has been constructing this structure over generations of dedicated collectivist acolytes, Now need only to place the “keystone” in the arch that will allow them finally pave the road on our bridge to penurious subjugation.

Archimedes on November 5, 2009 at 3:04 PM

Graphs and tables and math are racist.

uknowmorethanme on November 5, 2009 at 3:08 PM

Stop letting inconvenient facts get in the way of the ongoing leftwing utopian fantasy.

It’s “mean.”

Good Lt on November 5, 2009 at 2:49 PM

Stop letting inconvenient facts get in the way of the ongoing leftwing utopian fantasy.

It’s “mean.” “Rrraaccist!”

FIFY!

belad on November 5, 2009 at 3:20 PM

I love picture stories.

ExpressoBold on November 5, 2009 at 3:44 PM

Obviously, it’s Bush’s fault.

chicagotrauma on November 5, 2009 at 3:45 PM

Graphs and tables and math are racist.

uknowmorethanme on November 5, 2009 at 3:08 PM

As are inconvenient facts.

BigAlSouth on November 5, 2009 at 3:47 PM

Stop letting inconvenient facts get in the way of the ongoing leftwing utopian fantasy.

It’s “mean.”

Good Lt on November 5, 2009 at 2:49 PM

Oh, it’s much, much worse than mean. It’s raaaaacist!

misterpeasea on November 5, 2009 at 4:48 PM

Obama: Who’s afraid of Likely Voters?

Blue Dogs: We are!!!

Steve Z on November 5, 2009 at 4:55 PM

I would sure like to see somebody explain why if this POS gets passed this year and the Dems get mauled in 2010, the new majority party couldn’t just go over the president’s head and kill the bitch by refusing to fund it. I want to stop this as much as anybody–in fact I made 60 phone calls to Blue Dog Dems and red state Dem senators two days ago–but I don’t get why everybody just assumes that once it passes it is off to the races. In fact, what better test case for the project of dismantling the most useless parts of the federal government? If this thing passes, the rallying cry of the 2010 elections ought to be “Vote for us and we’ll rip this piece of sh*t out and shove it down Pelosi’s, Reid’s and Obama’s f**king throats”! Well, without the profanity maybe.

PD Quig on November 5, 2009 at 5:54 PM