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	<title>Comments on: Gen. Jones Scoffs at Afghanistan &#8220;Surge&#8221; &#8211; Just Like Failed Iraq &#8220;Surge!&#8221;</title>
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		<title>By: potkas7</title>
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		<dc:creator>potkas7</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 14:09:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@hardright

Do you even know what a Strawman Argument is?  You shouldn&#039;t use words if you don&#039;t know what they mean.

You do understand that it is the job of the National Security Advisor to advise the President in the formulation of defense and foreign policy, don&#039;t you?  I guess you could call that &quot;playing politics,&quot; but I would suggest that to do so shows an undeveloped understanding of how our government actually functions.

I am going to go out on a limb here and guess that despite your pounding out spittle-flecked venom and vituperation about cutting and running from Afghanistan, and accusing people you don&#039;t know of dishonor and dishonesty, you&#039;ve never actually been to Afghanistan yourself.  I have.  And I am concerned that I see the same type of strategic drifting and &quot;Mission Creep&quot; that I saw in Somalia.  Based on my experience, if I were asked for advice, then I would side with General Petraeus&#039; approach, but I can understand Gen. Jones&#039; skepticism.  I do not succumb to the temptation to seeing those who disagree with me as dishonorable.

Looking at the screen name you&#039;ve chosen I am left with the impression that you are one of those who think that reflexively adopting a position in conformance with a perceived partisan template without thinking or examination makes you a &quot;Conservative.&quot;  Let me disabuse you of that notion; it makes you a caricature.  Maybe you should reflect on Justice Brandeis&#039; observation that the greatest threat to liberty comes not from an outside enemy but from folks such as yourself, &quot;Full of zeal, but without understanding.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@hardright</p>
<p>Do you even know what a Strawman Argument is?  You shouldn&#8217;t use words if you don&#8217;t know what they mean.</p>
<p>You do understand that it is the job of the National Security Advisor to advise the President in the formulation of defense and foreign policy, don&#8217;t you?  I guess you could call that &#8220;playing politics,&#8221; but I would suggest that to do so shows an undeveloped understanding of how our government actually functions.</p>
<p>I am going to go out on a limb here and guess that despite your pounding out spittle-flecked venom and vituperation about cutting and running from Afghanistan, and accusing people you don&#8217;t know of dishonor and dishonesty, you&#8217;ve never actually been to Afghanistan yourself.  I have.  And I am concerned that I see the same type of strategic drifting and &#8220;Mission Creep&#8221; that I saw in Somalia.  Based on my experience, if I were asked for advice, then I would side with General Petraeus&#8217; approach, but I can understand Gen. Jones&#8217; skepticism.  I do not succumb to the temptation to seeing those who disagree with me as dishonorable.</p>
<p>Looking at the screen name you&#8217;ve chosen I am left with the impression that you are one of those who think that reflexively adopting a position in conformance with a perceived partisan template without thinking or examination makes you a &#8220;Conservative.&#8221;  Let me disabuse you of that notion; it makes you a caricature.  Maybe you should reflect on Justice Brandeis&#8217; observation that the greatest threat to liberty comes not from an outside enemy but from folks such as yourself, &#8220;Full of zeal, but without understanding.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Hard Right</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hard Right</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 02:48:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey potkas, how about adressing the issues and not using straw men? He was not called a lefty because he&#039;s chummy with RINOs and you know that. He was wrong on Iraq, and is again clearly playing politics with afghanistan. He wants to give his masters support on cutting and running. His service may have been long and honorable in the past, but since when does that mean we cannot criticize them for dis-honorable service here and now? 
Considering your defense of him and the dishonest way you did it, maybe it is a good thing you are near the end of your life.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey potkas, how about adressing the issues and not using straw men? He was not called a lefty because he&#8217;s chummy with RINOs and you know that. He was wrong on Iraq, and is again clearly playing politics with afghanistan. He wants to give his masters support on cutting and running. His service may have been long and honorable in the past, but since when does that mean we cannot criticize them for dis-honorable service here and now?<br />
Considering your defense of him and the dishonest way you did it, maybe it is a good thing you are near the end of your life.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen Schlesinger: My Afghan Problem &#124; Legal-Sleaze.com</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 14:27:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Yankeemom</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 14:15:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: potkas7</title>
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		<dc:creator>potkas7</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 11:49:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are times when I&#039;m glad to be closer to the end of life than to the beginning. Reading a blogger&#039;s charge that a General Officer and former Commandant of the United States Marine Corps is a &quot;lefty&quot; because he is &quot;chummy&quot; with 2 United States Senators with whom the blogger disagrees, or that he is somehow tainted by his service as SACEUR is one of those times.

Let me remind you that one of those Senators, Lindsay Graham, is also a Reserve Officer who, when his unit was called up for deployment, left the cushy confines of the Senate for honorable service in Iraq.

When did we reach the point that a failure to correctly recite every jot and tittle of some political credo exposes even a man of long and honorable service to the nation to the risk of being denounced to the cadres at the next campfire?

Gen. Brute Krulak U.S.M.C. once wrote that America doesn&#039;t need a Marine Corps.  America has a Marine Corps because America wants a Marine Corps, And it wants a Marine Corps because Americans know that when trouble arises there are Marines somewhere who have kept themselves fit and ready to answer the call.  And because Americans know that when Marines enter a fight they will turn in a superior performance, not sometimes, but always.  These statements have remained true through our history because of men like Jim Jones.  

Time will tell whether General Petraeus or General Jones is right about Afghanistan. But regardless of the outcome,let there be no doubt that both are patriots and honorable men.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are times when I&#8217;m glad to be closer to the end of life than to the beginning. Reading a blogger&#8217;s charge that a General Officer and former Commandant of the United States Marine Corps is a &#8220;lefty&#8221; because he is &#8220;chummy&#8221; with 2 United States Senators with whom the blogger disagrees, or that he is somehow tainted by his service as SACEUR is one of those times.</p>
<p>Let me remind you that one of those Senators, Lindsay Graham, is also a Reserve Officer who, when his unit was called up for deployment, left the cushy confines of the Senate for honorable service in Iraq.</p>
<p>When did we reach the point that a failure to correctly recite every jot and tittle of some political credo exposes even a man of long and honorable service to the nation to the risk of being denounced to the cadres at the next campfire?</p>
<p>Gen. Brute Krulak U.S.M.C. once wrote that America doesn&#8217;t need a Marine Corps.  America has a Marine Corps because America wants a Marine Corps, And it wants a Marine Corps because Americans know that when trouble arises there are Marines somewhere who have kept themselves fit and ready to answer the call.  And because Americans know that when Marines enter a fight they will turn in a superior performance, not sometimes, but always.  These statements have remained true through our history because of men like Jim Jones.  </p>
<p>Time will tell whether General Petraeus or General Jones is right about Afghanistan. But regardless of the outcome,let there be no doubt that both are patriots and honorable men.</p>
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