Should you get that flu shot?
posted at 9:55 am on September 26, 2009 by Pundette
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Most of us will get to decide this for ourselves.
The good news is that swine flu does not appear to be any deadlier than other strains:
New estimates suggest that the death rate compares to a moderate year of seasonal influenza, said Dr Marc Lipsitch of Harvard University.”It’s mildest in kids. That’s one of the really good pieces of news in this pandemic,” Lipsitch told a meeting of flu experts being held by the U.S. Institute of Medicine.
“Barring any changes in the virus, I think we can say we are in a category 1 pandemic. This has not become clear until fairly recently.”
The Pandemic Severity Index set by the U.S. government has five categories of pandemic, with a category 1 being comparable to a seasonal flu epidemic.
Sandy Szwarc notes:
Despite perceptions among the public and portrayals in the media of extreme risks, medical professionals recognize that, while the H1N1 flu may spread easily, it causes a relatively mild flu in most people and there is no evidence that is has or is likely to mutate and become deadlier. “If we have to have influenza, I would clearly choose novel H1N1,” Dr. William Schaffner, an infectious disease expert at Vanderbilt University, just told the Wall Street Journal.
A survey says that parents aren’t buying the swine-flu hype:
Only 40% of parents plan to have their children get the H1N1 flu vaccine—much fewer than those who plan to have children get the seasonal flu vaccine.
Hispanic parents are more likely than white or black parents to plan to have their children get the H1N1 flu vaccine.
Nearly one-half of parents who don’t plan to vaccinate their children are not worried about their kids getting the H1N1 flu.
Only about one-third of parents believe that H1N1 flu will be worse for children than seasonal flu. [emphasis added]
As a parent I worry a bit about the haste with which this vaccine has been manufactured. Things go wrong sometimes:
American officials rushed out a vaccine in 1976 following an outbreak of swine flu in military barracks. Around 40million people received the vaccine but doctors reported an increase Guillain-Barre and 25 people had died before the immunisation programme was stopped.
Flu shots can have unpleasant side effects and aren’t nearly as effective as some may believe.
The findings showed that the flu shot was 68 percent successful at preventing the flu compared with the nasal spray, which was 36 percent effective The study was funded by Sanofi, and published in New England’s Journal of Medicine.
No one knows right now just how effective the swine flu vaccine, in either form, will be. The typical claim for flu shot effectiveness is 70%. It can be significantly lower.
And kids with asthma, one of the risk groups being pushed to get the vaccine, may be even worse off if they get vaccinated:
Correction: No, they won’t be worse off. The effectiveness is in question, but the shot hasn’t been proven harmful to kids with asthma. I apologize for that misreading.
The inactivated flu vaccine does not appear to be effective in preventing influenza-related hospitalizations in children, especially the ones with asthma. In fact, children who get the flu vaccine are more at risk for hospitalization than their peers who do not get the vaccine, according to new research that will be presented on Tuesday, May 19, at the 105th International Conference of the American Thoracic Society in San Diego. Flu vaccine (trivalent inactivated flu vaccine—TIV) has unknown effects on asthmatics.
“The concerns that vaccination maybe associated with asthma exacerbations have been disproved with multiple studies in the past, but the vaccine’s effectiveness has not been well-established,” said Avni Joshi, M.D., of the Mayo Clinic in Rochester, MN. “This study was aimed at evaluating the effectiveness of the TIV in children overall, as well as the children with asthma, to prevent influenza-related hospitalization.” [. . .]
They found that children who had received the flu vaccine had three times the risk of hospitalization, as compared to children who had not received the vaccine. In asthmatic children, there was a significantly higher risk of hospitalization in subjects who received the TIV, as compared to those who did not (p= 0.006). But no other measured factors—such as insurance plans or severity of asthma—appeared to affect risk of hospitalization.
“While these findings do raise questions about the efficacy of the vaccine, they do not in fact implicate it as a cause of hospitalizations,” said Dr. Joshi. “More studies are needed to assess not only the immunogenicity, but also the efficacy of different influenza vaccines in asthmatic subjects.”
But in spite of all the negatives and the downgraded status of the H1N1 ‘emergency,’ some healthcare workers are being forced to get the vaccine. The state of New York, MedStar, and HCA are requiring this of healthcare workers. Some have objections:
Critics, however, say the decision to get vaccinated should remain individual, especially for the swine flu vaccine, which was rushed into production to try to blunt the pandemic’s second wave.
“I don’t want to be a guinea pig,” said Orne Banks-Hopkins, 55, a clerical worker at Washington Hospital Center. “I don’t think I should be forced to take something I don’t want to take.”
[. . .]
MedStar, the state of New York, HCA and other entities requiring vaccination are allowing exemptions for employees who have medical reasons for not getting vaccinated, such as egg allergies or risk factors for a rare complication known as Guilliame-Barre syndrome. MedStar and HCA and others also allow workers with religious objections to be exempted.
In New York, however, where the policy affects about 522,000 employees, no religious exemptions are allowed. Workers who refuse would be assigned to duties that do not involve patient contact, and they could face further disciplinary action.
“I have a problem with being mandated to put something in my body,” said Sandra Morales, a labor and delivery nurse at Beth Israel Medical Center in New York City. HCA employees who do not get vaccinated will have to wear surgical masks during the flu season or be dismissed. MedStar workers who refuse would face disciplinary action, including possibly being fired.
The response from workers might be different if this were an actual national health crisis. And mandates from employers and governments might be justified if that’s what we were facing.
So why the heavy-handed response to this non-crisis? Why the push for flu shots at all, when the benefits are not easily demonstrated? The naggers who know what’s best for the rest of us are “frustrated.” From the Post article:
The trend is being fueled by frustration at the stubbornly low proportion of health-care workers who get vaccinated each year despite years of coaxing, urging and incentives to do so voluntarily, combined with trepidation that the swine flu pandemic could overwhelm the health-care system, especially if many caregivers get sick, too. [emphasis added]
Maybe all these stubborn healthcare workers find that the benefits don’t outweigh the risks.
Mandated vaccines would result in windfalls for those with vested interests in the companies that produce them. Somewhere out there is a real journalist willing to follow the money on this.
Meanwhile, parents and other adults ought to do the research, weigh the risks and benefits, and decide for themselves. Some will conclude it’s worth it and others won’t.
I’d be interested to know how many parents are coaching their kids to sneeze, in the new politically correct manner, into their sleeves. I’m not. Coughing, sure. But sneezing on your sleeve? I don’t think so. Get a tissue, and then wash your hands. With soap. And try not to touch your face, especially your mouth and nose. If you’re sick, try to stay home. Hand-sanitizer is okay, I guess, but don’t get carried away with it.









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The “vested interests” lie with the trial lawyers who have forced most vaccine manufacturers out of business.
Buy Danish on September 26, 2009 at 10:40 AM
I’m not at all worried about Swine Flu, but I will be getting both the standard flu shot and the swine flu vaccination when it is available in my area. Why? Most importantly I don’t want to get any flu at all, it’s not very fun to have. But also, this is one of the extremely few situations that I consider to be a “duty” to the community. The more people in an area that are vaccinated, the better the herd immunity of the area. And when you have that, you are less likely to have a large outbreak of cases in your community. I also support mandatory vaccinations for school children as well as workers in certain professions (like hospitals). Helping to stop the spread of disease is something very basic that everyone should be concerned about. And don’t feed me the bullcrap about getting sick from a vaccination. You will never, never catch the disease from a vaccination. You may have side effects from the injection, but it is impossible to become infected from a vaccination. Saying otherwise is ignorant fear-mongering.
Polio, nearly eradicated from the Earth, is making a comeback in some countries. Why? Ridiculous beliefs that the vaccine is harmful to you or is some kind of sinister plot from the “white devil”. Ignorance will kill you. And if you are determined to be ignorant, then you can die like the idiot you are. But stay far away from me and my family.
*Steps off the soapbox*
KSgop on September 26, 2009 at 10:51 AM
It would seem health care workers are exposed to the real thing, whatever the strain every year. Wouldn’t this let them build up a natural immunity? Perhaps a bit more hit and miss than an actual immunization, but the principle is the same, right?
They forced us to get flu shots every year in the military. But in the military, I can kind of understand it. The same rational can be used for ‘first responders’ I suppose, but it should be up to the individual.
Of course in the military we are ‘force’ to get all kinds of vaccinations, some in a series. When the Hep B vaccine first came out the first shot in the series made me sicker than hell. But it was a series of shots, so I had to get more. The second shot put me in the hospital. I had an allergic reaction to something in the vaccine. Needless to say I didn’t get anymore.
I almost always had a reaction every year when I got my flu shot. I either got sick or felt ‘under the weather’ for days after a vaccination’. Cure worse than the disease? Maybe
Vaccines by and large are certainly beneficial, smallpox, measles, shots for babies when they’re newborns make sense. But annual vaccines should be a personal preference I think.
catmman on September 26, 2009 at 10:57 AM
I’m not anti-vaccine. But I think the flu shot question is a complicated one without a clear slam-dunk answer.
As for other vaccines, I’m with Sandy Szwarc. Some parents make decisions based on scary, unfounded anecdotes. And guess what — within some largely unvaccinated communities, diseases like pertussis are making a comeback. Parents need to inform ourselves with real data and then make that risk/benefit decision.
(It is extremely rare, but it has happened that people have contracted polio from the live vaccine. A notable case was a father who contracted it from changing his daughter’s diaper. But the risk is very, very low. And the benefit is very high.)
Pundette on September 26, 2009 at 11:18 AM
I have been working in health care at the bedside for 22 years. I have never gotten the flu shot and, knock on wood, have never had the flu. I get one cold a year. I never use sick time.
I won’t get a regular flu shot this year and I won’t get the H1N1. And I won’t let them force me.
Maybe I will regret it. But, I’ll take my chances again this year.
keebs on September 26, 2009 at 11:20 AM
I am not worried, my work offered the vaccine and I took it. It wasn’t forced, and because of the nature of the work, I wanted to up my chances of having the flu. I know it is not a perfect answer, but for me at this time the choice is good.
I will be appalled if for some reason this become forced. I have seen a bit of governmental hype circling the Obama administration and that DOES worry me.
Noelie on September 26, 2009 at 12:49 PM
Whoops.. that was upping the change of “NOT” having the flu ::)
Noelie on September 26, 2009 at 12:49 PM
Super. Now HA, just like HuffPo, has a “beware of the H1N1 vaccine” post. Way to go.
And I don’t think “sneezing into your sleeve” is politically correct nonsense, Pundette. Rather, and fairly obviously, it’s a sensible way of preventing the spread of the virus when a kleenez isn’t an option.
I’ve been a fan of HA for a long time and I’ve never come across a post that embarrassed me. Until now.
Infidoll on September 26, 2009 at 3:43 PM
Would you sneeze into a tissue and then pin it to your shirt and wear it around all day? It is blatantly stupid to sneeze into your shirt. That is the point. I’m not walking around with a snotty shirt. It’s unhealthy and unsanitary.
uknowmorethanme on September 26, 2009 at 4:39 PM
Public health officials aren’t REQUIRING people to sneeze into their sleeves, you unbelievable halfwit, they’re encouraging people to do so when there isn’t a better option (like a kleenex) in order to prevent the germs from becoming airborne and infecting other people.
As Uknow’s comment demonstrates, there’s a lot of public ignorance about influenza. Posts like this one only add to it.
Infidoll on September 26, 2009 at 5:38 PM
If ‘beware’ means weighing risks and benefits after getting facts, then ok, beware. My sources are solid, not fringe “vaccines-are-evil” sources. The asthma study was mainstream and is noteworthy because children with asthma are on the short list of those who ought to get the vaccine. The stats on the effectiveness of flu vaccines are well-known.
Pundette on September 26, 2009 at 6:42 PM
Why the after-the-fact BS, Pundette? You, without any apparent medical or public health expertise, decided to do a post suggesting that H1N1 isn’t as dangerous as it’s been made out to be and calling into question the safety/efficacy of the vaccine.
I’m sure if you asked some of the medical professionals quoted in the referenced articles (an Australian nurse-blogger probably doesn’t qualify as an expert, btw), they’d advise people with questions about H1N1 and the vaccine to discuss it with their personal physicians. These same experts would also very likely advise against putting much stock in the musings of a blogger, much less a blogger who thinks the CDC’s sneezing guidelines are an example of political correctness.
You’re entitled to blather about whatever you like, Pundette, and HA is entitled to publish it, but don’t try to pretend your post represents responsible blogging.
Infidoll on September 26, 2009 at 10:54 PM