More ObamaCare delusions
posted at 12:23 am on September 25, 2009 by Karl
It is understandable that after weeks and weeks of bad news, the left would be looking for good news, but is this the best the HuffPo can do?
Blocking a public health insurance option is a relatively low priority for conservative Blue Dog Democrats, according to an ongoing survey of its members. The fading House opposition could clear the way for the public option to move through the chamber.
But then, just a few grafs later:
House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) was the catalyst for the Blue Dog self-reflection when she floated the idea that roughly 20 Blue Dogs could support a public option.
“There was some suggestion that there were 20,” Herseth Sandlin said. “There clearly are not. From the numbers that I have seen, although not everyone has submitted the surveys, even if they had and they all said yes it wouldn’t be 20. Right now it’s less than a dozen.”
Fewer than 12 Blue Dogs is momentum? Sorry, that’s not even Joementum. Indeed, the fact that the Blue Dogs and the Congressional Progressive Caucus are whipping their members in opposite directions belies the happy talk preceding today’s Democratic caucus sitdown. Blue Dogs are still openly complaining that Pelosi & Co. are endangering the House majority in 2010 by trying to ram through bills unpopular in the 84 districts held by Democrats but won by McCain in 2008 or Bush in 2004. The government-run insurer demanded by House liberals remains an unlikely prospect in the Senate. Sen. Ben Nelson (D-NE) still refuses to commit to back his party on a cloture vote. And so on.
Those confident that ObamaCare will pass are people like Megan McCardle (who is almost as confident Democrats will lose the House) and Nate Silver (who then goes on to list five serious obstacles to passage; his co-blogger Andrew Gelman also warns that the Dems could lose the House). Yet we are supposed to believe that it is the GOP committing suicide on the issue. Mickey Kaus is far less confident, as is Tom Daschle (who, for all of his faults, knows a bit about the healthcare issue and his former colleagues in Congress).
The happy talk seems to have stemmed from the fact that the polling on the issue has momentarily stabilized at a near-draw. However, as Jay Cost explains, a draw implies that some Democrats would have to take a very unpopular vote to pass ObamaCare.
The New York Times has a hard time sugar-coating the results of its new poll. And they cannot bear to tell their readers that even their traditional, skewed sample has more people thinking that the reforms on the table will hurt them personally, cost more, worsen their quality of care, and make it harder to see a doctor than think the opposite. Instead, the NYT spin here is that there is still a lot of confusion and ignorance about ObamaCare. Too bad for them that when the specifics get spotlighted, the Democrats end up folding.









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That NYT article ranks very high on the unintentional comedy scale. 65% would support a public program “like Medicare”. That’s actually a terribly small number. Who DOESN’T want to get something for free that they are now paying for? Over a third of “adults” don’t. They can smell the snake oil this Administration is trying to sell.
rockmom on September 25, 2009 at 12:37 AM
Karl,
In your last link of this article, Michael Goldfarb at the Weekly Standards says, “The public option will probably be dumped tomorrow. Would co-ops survive a real public debate? Not likely.” While this may be good news because we, (most of us), know that both the public option or co-ops mean some form of government control over health care choices, my concern is at what point would there be “public debate” for even the co-ops? After the committee has already passed/written this as proposed legislation?. While Mr. Goldfarb suggest that co-ops wouldn’t likely survive public debate, isn’t the horse already out of the barn so to speak?
I guess my point is, we didn’t seem to get much time to have a public debate before the stimulus package was shoved down our throats. If it wasn’t for the August recess, public opposition to this and most of the other spending legislation may have never reached the level where our reps were forced to consider the preservation of their jobs. It just seems there is a short window of time between when legislators pass their “stuff” out of committees and the chance for real public debate.
Rovin on September 25, 2009 at 5:14 AM
Senator Ensign was right!
ConservativePartyNow on September 25, 2009 at 2:17 PM
WHAT? Being the sacrificial lambs being herded off a cliff isn’t popular?
marklmail on September 25, 2009 at 2:20 PM
Why of course it’s popular…with the wolf pack living in the gorge at the bottom.
VelvetElvis on September 25, 2009 at 2:24 PM
I read that if you don’t buy insurance under Obamacare, you get up to 1 year in jail, or $25,000 fine.
I say take the year in jail. You’ll probably be unemployed anyway, and you’ll get free health care in jail.
Daggett on September 25, 2009 at 2:31 PM
Rovin,
1. Even Nate Silver contemplates that this process is going to take a looooong time (his words).
2. The August recess was good for showing the intensity of opposition, and getting that into the media. That was important. But the polling had ObamaCare tanking long before then, which is why Congress couldn’t ram this through before the recess.
Karl on September 25, 2009 at 3:07 PM
In a few weeks, it’s the only place left to find support.
BobMbx on September 25, 2009 at 3:55 PM
holy crap batman where is the evil one (bush) To blame this on?
uber on September 25, 2009 at 5:26 PM