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Everything in the state, nothing outside the state.

-Benito Mussolini

The Nazis did not, as their foreign admirers contend, enforce price control within a market economy. With them price control was only one device within the frame of an all-around system of central planning. In the Nazi economy there was no question of private initiative and free enterprise. All production activities were directed by the Reichswirtschaftsministerium. No enterprise was free to deviate in the conduct of its operations from the orders issued by the government. Price control was only a device in the complex of innumerable decrees and orders regulating the minutest details of every business activity and precisely fixing every individual’s tasks on the one hand and his income and standard of living on the other.

What made it difficult for many people to grasp the very nature of the Nazi economic system was the fact that the Nazis did not expropriate the entrepreneurs and capitalists openly and that they did not adopt the principle of income equality which the Bolshevists espoused in the first years of Soviet rule and discarded only later. Yet the Nazis removed the bourgeois completely from control. Those entrepreneurs who were neither Jewish nor suspect of liberal and pacifist leanings retained their positions in the economic structure. But they were virtually merely salaried civil servants bound to comply unconditionally with the orders of their superiors, the bureaucrats of the Reich and the Nazi party.

-Ludwig von Mises

Capitalism is the exchange of goods and services between free men and women. In the end, there is only one alternative to it, and it is not “democracy.”

Thank you Doctor Zero.

Doctor, America has a fever and the way to cure it is for you to write books for high school and college levels. You not only do the research but are a brilliant writer.
Thanks for sharing.

tim c on September 7, 2009 at 1:03 PM

My take is Doc’s ‘essays’ are to themselves an upperclass study on American Government.

Doc, you just keep up the good work. Some days I’m in the mood for brevity, some days not. Most of the time, when I start reading one of your pieces, I can’t stop.
Maybe, you should collect them and sell them online as the “Capitalist Papers”?

Man are you thick. The Abolitionist movement did not free slaves nor bring social change on its own. It finally took the government (i.e., Lincoln and the new formed Republican party) to do it. And it was the government that finally brought an end to institutional racism. I even mentioned the Civil War and the 1964 Civil Rights Act and you still make an ass out of yourself.

Ol’ Norman got mighty quiet, after we started smacking him with logic.

massrighty on September 7, 2009 at 2:51 PM

The only thing you smacked me around with is your stupidity. I had to leave to get some fresh air. I’m not on the computer every minute like you and your ilk are.

Norman Blizter on September 7, 2009 at 3:40 PM

Good Lord. Obama has really resurrected the dinosaurs. It’s like Jurassic Park.

It took the workers’ tribunes a while to catch on: Even today, when your average union leader issues his annual Labour Day address, you can tell at heart he still thinks it’s 1926 and Metropolis is just around the corner. But the intellectual left has been scrambling for decades to come up with explanations as to why, if everything’s so bad, everything’s so good: Noam Chomsky’s theory of media manipulation – “manufactured consent” – can stand for an entire school of philosophers who believe a subtler breed of capitalist overlords are maintaining the workers in some sort of fools’ illusion of content.

But, inevitably, this was only going to be an intermediate stage, given that the shimmering mirage seems to be holding up pretty well. The new received wisdom – forcefully articulated by, among others, Maude Barlow’s Council of Canadians at the laugh-a-minute Johannesburg “Earth Summit” – is that the masses themselves are the problem. The oppressed masses refuse to stay oppressed. If they were down in the basement chained to the great turbines, all would be well. But, instead, they insist on moving out of their tenements, getting homes with non-communal bathrooms, giving up the trolley car, putting a deposit down on a Honda Civic and driving to the mall. When it was just medieval dukes swanking about like that, things were fine: That was “sustainable” prosperity. But now, everyone wants in. And, once you do that, there goes the global neighbourhood.

Capitalism had and has nothing to do with human rights.

Well, except that minor little idea that what you earn is yours, and the liberty to exchange it for the goods and services you want, rather than what some central bureaucracy says you want.

Do you own the minutes of your life or not? Capitalism says you do — collectivism say you don’t.

What human right has ever been acquired because of capitalism? Minimum wage? Equal pay for equal work regardless of sex and race?

None of those are human rights. Equal treatment by private individuals is a nice-to-have; the minimum wage is, in fact, a form of price-fixing that actually harms low-skill workers.

His novel The Shape of Things to Come envisions such a government seizing control of the entire world to create a global utopia, called “The Dictatorship of the Air” because the government controls the technology of air travel – which it occasionally uses to drop bombs on those who resist.

Never made the connection before between that and Heinlein’s The Long Watch. Heinlein’s Dahlquist — who appears by name in other stories as an unquestionable hero — single-handedly prevents the formation of a “Dictatorship of the Air”.

Just the reverse happened. The major forces at work like community organizations(e.g., unions) and government changed capitalism.

Norman Blizter on September 8, 2009 at 12:06 AM

“The reverse”? None of your comments or questions make any sense. Norm. Noting you said ‘reverses’ my point: I said that one of the forces creating new rights ( and all entitlements ) was political action and democratic governments adopting ( co-opting ) the goals of political actors.

My point, which of course you ignored, is that capitalism was the major force in creating those groups. As as economic system, capitalism can flourish under any sort of democracy as well as under aristocratic rule. The slave-ridden South was mostly pre-capitalist, and in those areas where industry flourished ( Birmingham, Alabama and Petersburg, Virginia ) slaves were few and the factories were filled mostly with white workers.

Nearly all slaves were owned by the top 20%, and that 20% bitterly resisted capitalism because they knew what capitalism would bring: the end of slavery.

Au contraire, the stupidity of the Right Wing is illuminated with your long winded posts and by my short but witty replies.

Norman Blizter on September 7, 2009 at 11:11 PM

Would that it were true.

Jim Treacher on September 8, 2009 at 8:14 AM

You know who else was big on the short and witty reply? Karl Marx. Reading Das Kapital is like browsing through a Twitter feed of pure enlightenment. Beneath all the empty bluster, childish insults, and dim-bulb defenses of totalitarianism, Comrade Blitzer channels the wit of that other noted Marx: Groucho.

By the way, Blitzie, the magic word today is “kulak.” Say the magic word, and a duck will come down from the top of the blog and give you a pile of worthless Communist propaganda, and the deed to a radioactive lighthouse.

…due to laws enacted by racist legislatures in the South.

The railroads didn’t want to have separate cars for whites and blacks; they were quite willing to seat black passengers in whatever accomodations they wished to purchase. Segregating by race deprived them of the ability to maximize revenue.

Also note that the capitalist North defeated the feudal South in the war.

The Monster on September 8, 2009 at 8:36 AM

An excellent point, although one that is likely to be drowned out by the Soviet anthem blaring through Comrade Blitzer’s head on endless loop. People like him rarely have the courage to put down Marx and pick up Thomas Sowell.

Even if we granted that governments had some crucial role to play in defeating slavery or racism, Comrade Blitzer’s defense of fascism is a weird non-sequitur. Fascist and communist governments played absolutely no role in these noble deeds – that is an indisputable historic fact. One of the noted features of such governments is the way slavery and racism flourish under them. The idea that we should embrace fascism to honor Abraham Lincoln would be a knee-slapper if it wasn’t such a disgusting insult.

People were being denied services and proper wages because of their race and gender.

…due to laws enacted by racist legislatures in the South. The railroads didn’t want to have separate cars for whites and blacks; they were quite willing to seat black passengers in whatever accomodations they wished to purchase. Segregating by race deprived them of the ability to maximize revenue.

Also note that the capitalist North defeated the feudal South in the war.

Au contraire, the stupidity of the Right Wing is illuminated with your long winded posts and by my short but witty replies.

Norman Blizter on September 7, 2009 at 11:11 PM

Would that it were true.

Capitalism was the major force in creating the middle class where most of that political action took place,so capitalism should share the credit for the emergence of those freedoms.

Tinkers to Evers to Chance……..

Janos Hunyadi on September 7, 2009 at 11:38 PM

You don’t know what you are talking about. Just the reverse happened. The major forces at work like community organizations(e.g., unions) and government changed capitalism. That’s why we had the 1964 Civil Rights Act. People were being denied services and proper wages because of their race and gender.

Go to sleep Janos, your posts are just getting dumb and dumber.

Norman Blizter on September 7, 2009 at 11:11 PM

Witty Norm, the self-bloated child. You have the attention span of an ADD teenager, so more than two sentences disorients you.

One last time, Norm: Capitalism and the marketplace provide choices; choices provide opportunity ( to succeed or fail ); opportunity erodes the power and authority of ruling elites.

Most of all, capitalism creates a middle class: It did that in the 13th Century to dislodge feudalism, and it was capitalism which created the 19th Century middle class that Marx somehow totally overlooked.

Were those paragraph too long for you, Norm? The words too long? Did the ideas perplex you?

Poor Norm……….

Freedoms for Blacks and women ( and everyone else ) come from several sources, including political action and having ruling parties in democracies adopt those freedoms as part of their platforms. Capitalism was the major force in creating the middle class where most of that political action took place, so capitalism should share the credit for the emergence of those freedoms.

Tinkers to Evers to Chance……..

Capitalism doesn’t deny or negate personal freedom; on the contrary it strongly tends to create and maintain just those freedoms you say you’re so happy about.
Janos Hunyadi on September 7, 2009 at 10:50 PM

What freedoms for Blacks and women were created by capitalism?

You’re a mess, Norm: ignorant and excitable and poorly educated, with the typical Lefty simplistic views that fall apart as soon as they’re challenged.

Au contraire, the stupidity of the Right Wing is illuminated with your long winded posts and by my short but witty replies.

I’ve rebutted all your points with questions you are unable to answer.I am intellectually light years ahead of you Janos.

Norman Blizter on September 7, 2009 at 9:03 PM

In your Mom’s basement, Norm, you ‘rebut’ arguments by asking questions–but not outside of the dank pit you dwell in ( figuratively and literally )

Your questions were non sequiturs, Norm, and you never actually rebutted anything I wrote. Capitalism began under feudalism and eroded it into insignificance; it existed under absolutist monarchies and aristocracies, also eroding their authority; capitalism continued on under several forms of democratic government structures, from elitist to the current welfare state bureaucracies.

Slavery has no causal relationship with slavery; until you comprehend that you’re still the Pygmy, dancing around the campfire with a rotting bone in your nose.

Slavery existed under Greek democracy and Roman republic and empires–and exists today in bits of Mother Africa under a weird blend of tribal-communal rule and militarized anarchy.

The gains in ‘freedoms’ you noted took place alongside capitalism–which again, to repeat, is an economic system compatible with many forms and structures of government–BUT NOT COMMUNAL TOTALITARIANISM like communism and…..fascism.

Capitalism doesn’t deny or negate personal freedom; on the contrary it strongly tends to create and maintain just those freedoms you say you’re so happy about.

You’re a mess, Norm: ignorant and excitable and poorly educated, with the typical Lefty simplistic views that fall apart as soon as they’re challenged.

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to you DocZ: il miglior fabbro

In case any of you were wondering: no, this guy is not some sock puppet I created just to make myself look good.

I was wondering if that guy could possibly be real. How could anyone be truly that ignorant of actual history? And worship the greedy rich capitalist pig Michael Moore as the Oracle of Marx? Then again, has anyone checked if Obama’s been online for the last hour?

There really are people like this in the world

Good Lord, that’s a scary thought, isn’t it?

We demolish you, with facts and logic.
You call names, and assert (again, without proofs,) that you are superior.
massrighty on September 7, 2009 at 9:13 PM

What facts? I totally abolished your contention that slavery was ended by abolitionists alone. Other than that, you’ve provided nothing.
You’ve been schooled my boy. Now go home and get some sleep so you can be alert when watching President Obama’s speech.

That goes for you too, Doctor Zero.

Yer still way to damned long winded Doc. You might as well go sit on a dusty library shelf if you cant shorten your posts, because only a small handful of people are wading through all that you have to say.

I’m not saying what you have to say is bad, I think what you say is very important, far to important for it to get lost in a vast wasteland of excessive verbiage.

doriangrey on September 7, 2009 at 11:39 AM

Out of curiousity, doriangrey, after catching Comrade Blitzer’s act on this comment thread, do you still think my original post was too long? Fair enough if you do, but I don’t think any part of this argument is redundant, or unnecessary to make.

As for DocZ, DocZ’s bullsh*t doesn’t address the fact that America had capitalism and slaves, and that capitalism didn’t free them or stop discrimination, government did!

Norman Blizter on September 7, 2009 at 9:03 PM

In case any of you were wondering: no, this guy is not some sock puppet I created just to make myself look good. There really are people like this in the world.

You’ve got a compelling argument there, Comrade Blitzer. Because governments played a role in abolishing slavery, we owe fascist and totalitarian governments unquestioning loyalty forever? And you even threw in some cuss words with the good parts asterisked out. That always makes you look like less of a moron.

You know those virtuous governments you keep prattling on about? None of them were fascist, totalitarian, or communist governments.

And while we’re on that subject, let me remind you of one other evil the American government defeated: communism. It held more slaves than any of the “capitalist” societies that haunt your fever dreams. It killed more people than any religious crusade, imperialist government, or fascist power. It died at the hands of the United States of America. Good riddance to bad rubbish.

Now, why don’t you run along to your cell or einsatzgruppen or whatever you belong to, go back to hugging your copy of Das Kaptial and weeping for the glory days, and hope that maybe Van Jones will slip down the chimney like Santa Claus and sign your portrait of Chairman Mao? You’ve done your bit for the glorious revolution here today, and you served a very useful purpose for me as well. You’ve earned a little reward.

Norman Blizter on September 7, 2009 at 9:03 PM

You claim superiority, without proofs.
We demolish you, with facts and logic.
You call names, and assert (again, without proofs,) that you are superior.

You’re too lazy to even bring a knife to a gunfight.

Off you go now; this here’s the big leagues.

No logic. No refutation, with citatations.

Nice job, skippy!

massrighty on September 7, 2009 at 6:40 PM

Then you are freakin’ illiterate.

You’re in far over your head here: Your comments to DocZ are pigmy shouts to a far superior intellect.

Janos Hunyadi on September 7, 2009 at 5:50 PM

I’ve rebutted all your points with questions you are unable to answer.I am intellectually light years ahead of you Janos.

As for DocZ, DocZ’s bullsh*t doesn’t address the fact that America had capitalism and slaves, and that capitalism didn’t free them or stop discrimination, government did!

Norman Blizter on September 7, 2009 at 3:40 PM

So, now I’m “thick” and “stupid.”
Here it is, the troll trifecta.

You started with simple, mindless gainsaying – “Am Not/Are To” argument.

You went to “Oh, Yeah?”

And finally, with the namecalling, you’ve sunk to “Neener, Neener.”

No logic. No refutation, with citatations.

Nice job, skippy!

Norman Blizter on September 7, 2009 at 4:37 PM

Nice try, Norm. A Marxist like you knows that in a pre-capitalist system like the South, the government is a apparatus of the ruling class. You ‘argued’ that government came along AFTER slavery; my point was that government CREATED slavery because that institution suited the interests of the ruling elites in the Southern colonies.

They tried indentured servitude, which worked in Britain to suit their need for cheap labor, but that failed miserably in the colonies. As a last resort, they turned to slavery.

Your odd rancid statements don’t make enough sense to refute–you apparently hink that’s a clever strategy, but you look ridiculous.

You’re in far over your head here: Your comments to DocZ are pigmy shouts to a far superior intellect.

Slavery was created and maintained by government; if you took the time to read a book, you’d know about the lengthy ‘Slave Codes’ of the Southern states, where the power of government was used to enforce this system. Slavery is a pre-capitalist proto-fascist remnant that survived into the 19th Century in the West because ruling elites controlled some state and British Caribbean governments.
Janos Hunyadi on September 7, 2009 at 3:49 PM

More mindless blather from an idiot. Who owned the slaves: the government or the plantation owners?

What other country had a civil war to abolish slavery?

You can make it up as you go along…

… What could go wrong?

Excellent post, Doc!

Norman Blizter on September 7, 2009 at 1:06 PM

this and your ‘Marx enlightenment’ post are probably the two dumbest posts I’ve ever seen on the internet. Kudos, Norman.

Slavery was created and maintained by government; if you took the time to read a book, you’d know about the lengthy ‘Slave Codes’ of the Southern states, where the power of government was used to enforce this system. Slavery is a pre-capitalist proto-fascist remnant that survived into the 19th Century in the West because ruling elites controlled some state and British Caribbean governments.

Marx understood the inherent brutality of UNREGULATED capitalism and barely-regulated capitalism ( which existed in the early years of the Industrial Revolution ) but he was wrong in every aspect of his predictions and wrong about the role of the middle class–a group which he dismissed as tools of the rich.

There’s too much to contest here: Everything you say is Crap. Take a pill; read a book; think; clean the Scheiss out of your head…….

If you haven’t yet – check out Jonah Goldberg’s “Liberal Facism.” He calls this kind of thing “Smiley Face” Facism.

massrighty on September 7, 2009 at 3:29 PM

Thanks for reminding me!

My main point, that I wanted to emphasize, was that capitalism as an economic system can exist apart from a form of government. Expressing ideas in a pure form is quite different from practice.

Thus, “Capitalism is the exchange of goods and services between free men and women” expressed as an unencumbered idea, is an ideal but probably unreachable in practice – there must be some government regulation to maintain a fair market of resources and capital.

Most of the Abolititionist movement, and nearly all of the Women’s suffrage movement, was carried out, and funded by, people who had the two elements I describe; (the freedom from immediate want, and the time and money to work for social change.)massrighty on September 7, 2009 at 2:37 PM

Man are you thick. The Abolitionist movement did not free slaves nor bring social change on its own. It finally took the government (i.e., Lincoln and the new formed Republican party) to do it. And it was the government that finally brought an end to institutional racism. I even mentioned the Civil War and the 1964 Civil Rights Act and you still make an ass out of yourself.

Ol’ Norman got mighty quiet, after we started smacking him with logic.

massrighty on September 7, 2009 at 2:51 PM

The only thing you smacked me around with is your stupidity. I had to leave to get some fresh air. I’m not on the computer every minute like you and your ilk are.