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The Eff Word

posted at 12:51 am on September 7, 2009 by

Fascism.

It’s the ultimate political epithet, the atomic blast that ends calm and measured debate. This makes those who seek to be reasonable and persuasive understandably reluctant to use the word… and those who aren’t interested in either reason or persuasion eager to hurl it at their opponents. There is nothing surprising about the visceral emotions conjured by the mention of its name. The history of fascism is written in the blood of innocents, on a scale that challenges the limits of human imagination.

Our natural repulsion from the concept of fascism, coupled with the way it has been cheapened by decades of use as a casual insult by the Left, makes it difficult for us to study it dispassionately. It is important to make that study, because fascism was not a mystical phenomenon, a curse inflicted on the Axis nations through the supernatural charisma of Mussolini and Hitler. Too many people recall the garish and horrifying trappings of Nazi Germany, and think “it couldn’t happen here.” It has happened here. It’s happening again now. We do ourselves no favors by refusing to see it, any more than we would be helping ourselves by throwing around baseless accusations of fascism where it does not exist.

Fascism, like communism and socialism, is a form of collectivist politics. As the great author H.P. Lovecraft put it, when describing the dark gods of his horror stories: “Many names, one nightmare.” These philosophies share a belief in the supreme power and virtue of the central State. Under communism, government owns the means of production – there is no private industry. In a socialist system, the State is nominally separate from private industry, but it siphons large amounts of money from the private sector to fund the socialist agenda. Fascism maintains private industry, but places it under the direct control of the government. Private industry still exists, but the State sets production goals, directly controls economic activity, and dominates the management of corporations. Industry becomes enslaved to political goals.

Modern audiences, raised on a steady diet of movies about World War II, think of fascism as either inhumanly horrifying, or completely absurd, and wonder how anyone in their right minds could have fallen for the fascist sales pitch. In fact, fascism did not seem absurd at all to the intellectuals of the early twentieth century. They thought a wise and all-powerful State, run by the most brilliant minds, would be able to engineer a more advanced society, much as engineers were designing increasingly advanced scientific marvels. The pioneering author of modern science fiction, H.G. Wells, was an outspoken advocate of authoritarian control by a benevolent government of geniuses and academics. His novel The Shape of Things to Come envisions such a government seizing control of the entire world to create a global utopia, called “The Dictatorship of the Air” because the government controls the technology of air travel – which it occasionally uses to drop bombs on those who resist. Here are some excerpts from a famous speech Wells gave to the British Young Liberals Society at Oxford in 1932, reprinted in Jonah Goldberg’s indispensable Liberal Fascism – a phrase Wells actually coins in the speech:

We have seen the Fascisti in Italy and a number of clumsy imitations elsewhere, and we have seen the Russian Communist Party coming into existence to reinforce this idea… I am asking for a Liberal Fascisti, for enlightened Nazis… And do not let me leave you in the slightest doubt as to the scope and ambition of what I am putting before you… These new organizations are not merely organizations for the spread of defined opinions… the days of that sort of amateurism are over-they are organizations to replace the dilatory indecisiveness of democracy. The world is sick of parliamentary politics…

The world is sick of parliamentary politics. This is an idea that occurs in every strand of collectivist thought. Collectivists only revere democracy until it has voted them sufficient power… then democracy becomes a cumbersome inconvenience that allows selfish, ignorant fools and corporate shills to interfere with the brilliant work of great men. The Democrats fleeing from town hall meetings are also sick of parliamentary politics, as is the President who defiles American government with dozens of unelected, unconfirmed, unaccountable “czars.” Parliamentary politics proved very inconvenient for the President’s health-care takeover and cap-and-trade bills, and have been driving global-warming cultists mad with frustration for years.

Why is fascism bad? It seems like a ridiculously understated question, similar to asking why cancer is bad, but the answer is important. The grisly ornaments fascism has worn in the past should not distract from the deeper reality of what it is, and why it fails. The essential flaw of fascism is that it elevates the State to control of its citizens, because controlling the economy requires control of the people. A corporation is a voluntary association of people, not an inanimate machine that can be reprogrammed painlessly by wise government advisers. The people who comprise corporations must be kept alienated from the government’s supporters – fascism requires enemies, and turns feral quickly. The government does not require a majority of the people to support it, in order to maintain power. It can make do with much less than fifty per cent, if they are sufficiently motivated and obedient. In fact, maintaining control through an energized minority is much easier than keeping the majority of the population on board, especially in a large country.

The proposition that enlightened government officials should control the economy sounds appealing to those who feel capitalism has not treated them well. No matter what name it operates under, fascism never works. It can’t work. Fascist control might produce short-term gains for its favored constituencies, and the sense of organization it brings might benefit a highly disorganized or demoralized population, such as prewar Germany, for a while. In the long run, fascism falls apart because political control is always less flexible and innovative than free-market competition. The political masters of the economy have a list of alternatives they will not consider, mistakes they will not admit to making, and explanations that simply cannot be true. Since they see the free market as inferior to their intellect and moral judgment, they never study it carefully enough to understand how it really works. They become highly adept at killing the geese that lay golden eggs.

Government is a terrible senior partner for any industry, because it has only one thing to bring to the partnership, and that is compulsive force. Everything government does is an expression of force: it collects taxes under the threat of imprisonment or death, blocks access to markets through licensing, and changes the rules of market competition through regulation. A well-run government uses force to protect its citizens, from external threats and internal lawbreakers. As the size of government swells, so does the amount of force deployed to enforce its will. This is inevitable, because force is what a government is. The fascist views private industry as a work horse, yoked to the will of the State… and when the State has exhausted its minimal patience trying to talk the horse into moving faster, there remains only the lash. Political control of the economy never produces the results that would be needed to keep the vital constituencies of the politicians happy, and the only method they can imagine to make their industrial horses work harder is to swing the whip, with increasing anger.

The fascist impulse expresses itself differently in different societies. In America, it was first embraced by President Wilson and the Progressives, because it made sense to them, and everyone else in the industrialized world was already doing it – if you’re unfamiliar with the intellectual literature of the Thirties, you would be surprised how often British and American academics fretted about “falling behind” marvelous, fascist Italy and Germany. Fascism’s second life in America began because socialism failed. The system of providing social benefits to an increasingly large dependency class, by taxing a dwindling group of productive citizens, went utterly bankrupt. This is dramatically illustrated by the failure of Obama’s health care plan, which even the most politically disinterested Americans can see we clearly don’t have the money to pay for, with trillions of dollars in debt towering over us. Exit the tax collector… enter the “czar.” When the American Left saw that it could no longer extract enough tax money from an increasingly grumpy, overtaxed electorate, it became logically necessary to compel industry to provide what the Left desires. Wrapping this strategy in high-minded language like “green jobs” does not change its essential nature.

The grim pathologies we associate with fascism come as consequences of its original sin, the assertion of direct State control over the economy. The cult of personality forms because the mighty politicians who command the economy must be brilliant supermen – how else could they handle the enormous task they have set for themselves? To support Obama’s domestic policies, you must believe he understands medicine better than doctors and insurance companies, knows more about monetary policy than all the banks he has asserted control over, and has a greater mastery of energy production than the industries he plans to destroy with the cap-and-trade bill. He even knows more about making cars than General Motors… and all of the other auto-makers combined, since the automobile market wanted GM to die, and Obama commuted the death sentence to community service. No wonder the media loves to photograph the man with a halo, and Hollywood celebrities pledge their obedience to him on their knees!

Fascism acquires militaristic aspects because a society organized for war is easier to control, and opponents of the State are more easily dismissed as traitors. The American fascists, evolved from socialists and liberals, dislike aggressive wars of military conquest, so they co-opt the language of warfare for domestic policy issues, declaring their policy preferences to be the “moral equivalent of war.” Fascism becomes violent because its supporters develop a tribal hostility to their domestic enemies, which eventually leads them to beat those enemies, and maybe bite off a finger or two. Fascism incubates racism because racial animosity is a powerful glue for holding constituent groups together, and milking them for political support.

Is America sliding into fascism? Not completely, or quickly… but it’s a potent venom, deadly in small doses. We should not dismiss the menace of fascism by reasoning that it always comes dressed in black uniforms and jackboots, patrolling the perimeter of concentration camps – so we’re in good shape as long as those horrors are not in evidence. We shouldn’t be fooling around with such a toxic ideology at all. No matter how noble the stated goals at the beginning of the collectivist journey, it always ends at the same destination. Promoting his latest propaganda film, Michael Moore said that “capitalism is evil, and you cannot regulate evil. You have to replace it with something that is good for all people, and that something is democracy.” This is more than just laughable hypocrisy from a millionaire leftist. Capitalism is the exchange of goods and services between free men and women. In the end, there is only one alternative to it, and it is not “democracy.”

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Norman Blizter on September 7, 2009 at 1:06 PM

There was a time when people were a commodity, not just here but throughout the world. If capitalism never took root in America you can bet that it would still be so. Do you suppose some collectivist ideology would have set them free as equals? “If it weren’t for government, these things would still be in America today.” Really? Government fought equality for race and gender alike – people won it. Do you suppose the people would have had a chance of wresting “equality” from the maw of socialism? Fascism? All hail government! The cause, and solution for all of our problems…

blankminde on September 7, 2009 at 1:31 PM

Bless you Michael Moore for all the good work you do.

Norman Blizter on September 7, 2009 at 1:06 PM

HAHAHAHA! I hope you’re going for sarcasm. Michael Moore? A morbidly obese multimillionaire who charges money for people to listen to him rail against the excesses Capitalism? If you believe what you say and you’ve paid a penny for anything he’s ever done, you are a complete moron and likely a danger to yourself and others.

trubble on September 7, 2009 at 1:31 PM

Juat ’cause you’re lazy … .

davidk on September 7, 2009 at 1:26 PM

Nope, just to many other things to read. So much information so little time to absorb it all.

doriangrey on September 7, 2009 at 1:32 PM

doriangrey on September 7, 2009 at 12:23 PM

We read your complaint – now leave it be so we can enjoy Doctor Zero’s exposition. If you regard his posts as part of a series, much like the Federalist Papers, you will see that they have a theme and a thread.

You have read the Federalist Papers, haven’t you?

Stop acting like the expert you’re NOT! (Unless you want to to use the Zig Ziglar definition for your expertise, stop the whining comments and the controlling behavior!)

ExpressoBold on September 7, 2009 at 1:33 PM

Still I found it riveting. (Sorry for all the misspelled words I am just being lazy today I guess. I will make a more
earnest attempt in the future.)

sonnyspats1 on September 7, 2009 at 1:30 PM

Riveting yes, but shorter would mean exponentially more people would read it. And we really need more people reading and thinking about the issues Doc brings up.

doriangrey on September 7, 2009 at 1:34 PM

And today we have Obama praising his creation of a new manufacturing czar!

The purpose of the czar is to work with labor and government to create a new manufacturing base in the USA! Operated by the labor bosses, owned and controlled by the federal government. What could go wrong?

Even if this seems to create ‘jobs’, it is yet one more terrible step into the abyss ….

Freddy on September 7, 2009 at 1:34 PM

Stop acting like the expert you’re NOT! (Unless you want to to use the Zig Ziglar definition for your expertise, stop the whining comments and the controlling behavior!)

ExpressoBold on September 7, 2009 at 1:33 PM

When this becomes your blog you can pull as big a Charles Johnston as you want, until then, dont presume to tell anyone what to do or where to do it.

doriangrey on September 7, 2009 at 1:36 PM

blankminde on September 7, 2009 at 1:31 PM

That was MUCH better than my response, which was: Democrats.

ExpressoBold on September 7, 2009 at 1:38 PM

doriangrey on September 7, 2009 at 1:36 PM

You, too, {expletive deleted}!

ExpressoBold on September 7, 2009 at 1:39 PM

You, too, {expletive deleted}!

ExpressoBold on September 7, 2009 at 1:39 PM

I’m asking, not telling, a difference that seems to be lost on you.

doriangrey on September 7, 2009 at 1:40 PM

When this becomes your blog you can pull as big a Charles Johnston as you want, until then, dont presume to tell anyone what to do or where to do it.

doriangrey on September 7, 2009 at 1:36 PM

I think you might have written more complaining about the length of Doctor Zero’s piece than he wrote in the first place. Your arguments could seriously benefit from some brevity…

blankminde on September 7, 2009 at 1:43 PM

Yer still way to damned long winded Doc

Go back and read your OWN posts, starting with the one that I quoted and find the request in THAT statement, please!

ExpressoBold on September 7, 2009 at 1:45 PM

Great work Doc. This is indeed scarey times. Let everyone of us make alternate plans according to the severity inwhich the facists actually get a foothold. If it is just more taxes, save more, it is control of your job, study more for a different one, if they come for your property, bury more of it, if they come for your children. Well, bury them.

moyeti on September 7, 2009 at 1:49 PM

This is of course bullsh*t. Doctor Zero doesn’t know what he’s talking about. How do you explain the existence of slavery, child labor and the oppression of women and minorities in a capitalist society like America? If it weren’t for government, these things would still be in America today.

Bless you Michael Moore for all the good work you do.

Norman Blizter on September 7, 2009 at 1:06 PM

We explain these things as prior bad behavior, by a people not as enlightened as we are today.

All of the examples you cite were ended by a concerned citizenry, which had the freedom to act against the status quo.

In large measure, their political freedom came from living in our representative republic.

But the economic freedom that they enjoyed, (freedom from want, and the financial ability to work at convincing others of the rightness of their cause) came from capitalism.

Government, at least in this country, only moves when the citizens move.

massrighty on September 7, 2009 at 1:51 PM

Knowledge is power. Thanks Doc for the “shot.” Glad to see there is still a doctor who makes house calls!

Mr_Magoo on September 7, 2009 at 1:55 PM

Back to the topic — brilliant lesson here, Doctor Zero. Thank you.

publiuspen on September 7, 2009 at 1:57 PM

(remember people on the internet have an incredibly short attention span, approximately 10 seconds, people visiting HotAir are no exception)
doriangrey on September 7, 2009 at 12:47 PM

Wrong.

Mr_Magoo on September 7, 2009 at 1:58 PM

There was a time when people were a commodity, not just here but throughout the world. If capitalism never took root in America you can bet that it would still be so.
blankminde on September 7, 2009 at 1:31 PM

People were a commodity because of capitalism. Capitalism had and has nothing to do with human rights. What human right has ever been acquired because of capitalism? Minimum wage? Equal pay for equal work regardless of sex and race?

Government fought equality for race and gender alike – people won it.

The Civil War? The 1964 Civil Rights Act?

Norman Blizter on September 7, 2009 at 2:00 PM

But the economic freedom that they enjoyed, (freedom from want, and the financial ability to work at convincing others of the rightness of their cause) came from capitalism.
massrighty on September 7, 2009 at 1:51 PM

You’re only fooling yourself.

Norman Blizter on September 7, 2009 at 2:02 PM

We explain these things as prior bad behavior, by a people not as enlightened as we are today.
massrighty on September 7, 2009 at 1:51 PM

And we are enlightened today thanks to Karl Marx.

Norman Blizter on September 7, 2009 at 2:03 PM

dont presume to tell anyone what to do or where to do it.

doriangrey on September 7, 2009 at 1:36 PM

You mean like what you are doing with your posts?

Mr_Magoo on September 7, 2009 at 2:04 PM

This is awesome….the Dr. quickly has become my fave on HA…

CinnamongirlUF on September 7, 2009 at 2:05 PM

And we are enlightened today thanks to Karl Marx.

Norman Blizter on September 7, 2009 at 2:03 PM

Presumably, you’re using the “communism is the better system, even though it’s never worked, anywhere” defense.

This is not as convincing as you might think.

massrighty on September 7, 2009 at 2:09 PM

Go back and read your OWN posts, starting with the one that I quoted and find the request in THAT statement, please!

ExpressoBold on September 7, 2009 at 1:45 PM

You are acting like a sycophant, based on the obvious intellectual prowess displayed by Doc, he doesn’t have any need of such vicarious narcissistic ego satiation.

Unlike you the good doctor is incontrovertibly capable of discerning the difference between genuine concerned constructive criticism and emotionally charged ad hominem attacks.

I haven’t said one single disparaging, derogatory or insulting thing about Doctor Zero or anything he has written, he doesn’t need you to come charging to his defense he isnt under attack.

You seriously need to reexamine your position and back off.

doriangrey on September 7, 2009 at 2:09 PM

Wrong.

Mr_Magoo on September 7, 2009 at 1:58 PM

Your opinion, totally unsupported by fact.

You mean like what you are doing with your posts?

Mr_Magoo on September 7, 2009 at 2:04 PM

Again, totally unsupported by the facts.

doriangrey on September 7, 2009 at 2:11 PM

But the economic freedom that they enjoyed, (freedom from want, and the financial ability to work at convincing others of the rightness of their cause) came from capitalism.
massrighty on September 7, 2009 at 1:51 PM

You’re only fooling yourself.

Norman Blizter on September 7, 2009 at 2:02 PM

Your rebuttal does nothing to refute my point. You offer no proof that my point is incorrect.

It’s just gainsaying – you’re using the “are too/are not” construct of a 6 year old.

You defame this thread with this kind of weak argument.

massrighty on September 7, 2009 at 2:12 PM

For those that want it simply summed up just recall the elected president saying : ” Those that caused the problem should shut up, get out of the way and let us fix it!” He is about a total takeover of this country as we have known it! Fascist or Communist, either way he is the enemy of the U.S.!

Marco on September 7, 2009 at 2:14 PM

Your rebuttal does nothing to refute my point. You offer no proof that my point is incorrect.
massrighty on September 7, 2009 at 2:12 PM

I already rebutted your point in my previous post to blankminde:
“What human right has ever been acquired because of capitalism? Minimum wage? Equal pay for equal work regardless of sex and race?”

I though you were smart enough to put two and two together. I was wrong.

Norman Blizter on September 7, 2009 at 2:18 PM

I already rebutted your point in my previous post to blankminde:
“What human right has ever been acquired because of capitalism? Minimum wage? Equal pay for equal work regardless of sex and race?”

I though you were smart enough to put two and two together. I was wrong.

Norman Blizter on September 7, 2009 at 2:18 PM

Have you read the US Constitution???

doriangrey on September 7, 2009 at 2:21 PM

The Civil War? The 1964 Civil Rights Act?

Norman Blizter on September 7, 2009 at 2:00 PM

Both instances of the Republican party.

What human right has ever been acquired because of capitalism? Minimum wage? Equal pay for equal work regardless of sex and race?

Norman Blizter on September 7, 2009 at 2:00 PM

Those aren’t human rights.

Every day, hour, minute or second that you pay taxes to the government is a moment spent in indentured servitude. It’s just well-disguised slavery. And you want more of this, of course.

John the Libertarian on September 7, 2009 at 2:22 PM

“What human right has ever been acquired because of capitalism? Minimum wage? Equal pay for equal work regardless of sex and race?”

I though you were smart enough to put two and two together. I was wrong.

Norman Blizter on September 7, 2009 at 2:18 PM

Okay, I’ll try again;

The freedom to work for the “human rights” you describe springs directly from the fact that capitalism allows some to have both freedom from immediate want, and the time and money to work for social change.

Don’t impugn my intelligence. You have not formed a cogent rebuttal.

Your last post used the “Oh, Yeah!” construct.

What’s next – neener neener?

massrighty on September 7, 2009 at 2:24 PM

If it weren’t for government, these things would still be in America today.
Norman Blizter on September 7, 2009 at 1:06 PM

Natan Sharansky lists four questions in his book The Case for Democracy to “determine whether or not human rights were beeing generally upheld in a particular country”:

- Could people in that country speak their minds?
- Could they publish their opinions?
- Could they practice their faith?
- Could they learn the history and culture of their people?

Individuals – free to speak their minds and publish their opinions – stand up for human rights, not the government. Seems to me the government comes late to the game if enough people make enough noise. They never actually start the process.

Mr_Magoo on September 7, 2009 at 2:30 PM

John the Libertarian on September 7, 2009 at 2:22 PM

I like your style.

massrighty on September 7, 2009 at 2:31 PM

The freedom to work for the “human rights” you describe springs directly from the fact that capitalism allows some to have both freedom from immediate want, and the time and money to work for social change.
massrighty on September 7, 2009 at 2:24 PM

Instead of mindless blather, why don’t you give me an example when this has actually happened?

Norman Blizter on September 7, 2009 at 2:33 PM

(remember people on the internet have an incredibly short attention span, approximately 10 seconds, people visiting HotAir are no exception)
doriangrey on September 7, 2009 at 12:47 PM

Please support your “fact” that people visiting HotAir have an attention span of approximately 10 seconds. You’ve done a study of course.

Mr_Magoo on September 7, 2009 at 2:35 PM

The freedom to work for the “human rights” you describe springs directly from the fact that capitalism allows some to have both freedom from immediate want, and the time and money to work for social change.
massrighty on September 7, 2009 at 2:24 PM

Instead of mindless blather, why don’t you give me an example when this has actually happened?

Norman Blizter on September 7, 2009 at 2:33 PM

Most of the Abolititionist movement, and nearly all of the Women’s suffrage movement, was carried out, and funded by, people who had the two elements I describe; (the freedom from immediate want, and the time and money to work for social change.)

Given my posts, you couldn’t see this on your own?

Only one of us is blathering.

Put another way; we both have reputations on this site, based on our posts.

I’ll keep mine, thanks.

massrighty on September 7, 2009 at 2:37 PM

dont presume to tell anyone what to do or where to do it.
doriangrey on September 7, 2009 at 1:36 PM

You mean like what you are doing with your posts?
Mr_Magoo on September 7, 2009 at 2:04 PM

Again, totally unsupported by the facts.
doriangrey on September 7, 2009 at 2:11 PM

So you are NOT telling the good doctor to make his articles shorter because we have short attention spans?

Mr_Magoo on September 7, 2009 at 2:39 PM

Hey Norman,

take a look at this and get back to us: Bill Whittle on the Liberal Doctrine

John the Libertarian on September 7, 2009 at 2:39 PM

Instead of mindless blather, why don’t you give me an example when this has actually happened?

Norman Blizter on September 7, 2009 at 2:33 PM

Oprah Winfrey

Mr_Magoo on September 7, 2009 at 2:40 PM

Thanks again DZ for another great piece of writing.

ny59giants on September 7, 2009 at 2:42 PM

Oprah Winfrey

Mr_Magoo on September 7, 2009 at 2:40 PM

Another good example.
Or, should I just say “Oh, Magoo…”

massrighty on September 7, 2009 at 2:42 PM

Instead of mindless blather, why don’t you give me an example when this has actually happened?

Norman Blizter on September 7, 2009 at 2:33 PM

Brad Pitt & Angelina Jolie (they do more than just adopt children)
Princess Diana

Mr_Magoo on September 7, 2009 at 2:45 PM

You seriously need to reexamine your position and back off.

doriangrey on September 7, 2009 at 2:09 PM

Nyak nyak nyak! I’ve already lost interest and it took me much longer 10 seconds.

Your attitude hasn’t received any support here and your blustering about with what amounts to sesquipedalian vocabulary taken out of context and thrown about just for effect is droll, to say the least. In fact, it smacks of elitism and you should be aware of what disregard that pitard has in today’s milieu lest you be hoist upon it yourself.

Big words are no substitute for erudition, in case you were digging for your dictionary.

Here endeth the lesson except to say, you sure are laughable. I now flush you into the sewer to which you belong.

ExpressoBold on September 7, 2009 at 2:46 PM

The Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation

Mr_Magoo on September 7, 2009 at 2:48 PM

Mr_Magoo on September 7, 2009 at 2:48 PM

Ol’ Norman got mighty quiet, after we started smacking him with logic.

massrighty on September 7, 2009 at 2:51 PM

You seriously need to reexamine your position and back off.

doriangrey on September 7, 2009 at 2:09 PM

There you go again, “presuming to tell anyone what to do or where to do it.”

Mr_Magoo on September 7, 2009 at 2:51 PM

Nice work again, Doctor.

I just finished researching the origin of the “Lazy Susan” for my blog. Many credit its invention to the Oneida Community in upstate New York (near Syracuse).

That 19th century communal peace and love society disintegrated–becoming a capitalist community and making better mousetraps!

barrypopik on September 7, 2009 at 2:53 PM

Ol’ Norman got mighty quiet, after we started smacking him with logic.

massrighty on September 7, 2009 at 2:51 PM

Well, I really don’t see where any government has initiated a human rights issue unless “the people” have brought it to there attention. Which is why, human rights is ignored in “fear societies.” Governments can freely ignore human rights issues because no one is allowed to speak up. God knows I’m not the brightest bulb in the ocean, but it seems fairly academic to me even with my short attention span of 10 seconds.

Mr_Magoo on September 7, 2009 at 2:55 PM

I haven’t said one single disparaging, derogatory or insulting thing about Doctor Zero or anything he has written

doriangrey on September 7, 2009 at 2:09 PM

Huh?

Yer still way to damned long winded Doc. You might as well go sit on a dusty library shelf if you cant shorten your posts, because only a small handful of people are wading through all that you have to say.

I’m not saying what you have to say is bad, I think what you say is very important, far to important for it to get lost in a vast wasteland of excessive verbiage.

doriangrey on September 7, 2009 at 11:39 AM

Mr_Magoo on September 7, 2009 at 3:01 PM

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